Master Class - Audio Mixing - 03 Drum Gates

[@Hoze666]

Nice video, but You have forgot to turn on those key filters, so they were doing nothing to the gates ;) and key solo works also only when you turn the key filter on hence no change in sound when changing filters :)

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

@UFHoee Unfortunately I think it's the latter. I'm also suspicious of only 12dB of Range. I mean, yes it's noticeable, but you may as well not even use a gate. I only use 18dB at the lowest and for other things I'll use the full range and go all the way down to the full 60dB. There's one situation that I have where it'd be nice if it went more than that, since I use the Sine Generator and a Gate for fattening up the Kick sound, which is a KILLER trick, if you use an X32 and have never tried it, you're seriously missing out, but when you've got the PA really cranking, and then between songs with no people like during a soundcheck, and it gets really quiet, you CAN still hear that Low Sine wave hummmmmmm even though it's being reduced by 60dB. I mean it's faint, but it's there. It sounds like a semi-truck idling outside 3 blocks away, And I don't REALLY care because you'll never know actually during a show and won't hear it, but the subs are still producing that sound even though it's very quiet so there's going to be some Speaker Distortion and Inefficiencies because of it. Things that I usually work real hard to minimize because it all adds up to a great sound later if you do!

[@samuelbethanapudi3396]

Can someone explain me why James went to the key filter and key solo of the compression settings while actually talking about gating at around 4:35? 🙄

[@willcastilloe]

Right ...

[@BjorgenEatinger]

He was on the "Gate" tab, not "Dyn" tab.

[@billytremoloband7456]

New sub here, just picked up an Xr18 and suspect these videos are going to be very useful.

[@timpricedrums]

As a long time working drummer, I can safely say there is nothing worse than an engineer that gets a bit too eager with the gates. So many gigs I get to a quieter song and all of a sudden there is no cross stick snare sound as the gate is too tight, or the kick disappears when you play a quieter ghost note. Use sparingly!! :)

[@sigurvald1]

That's what soundchecks are for ;-) Kindest regards from a drummer and a sound-engineer?

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Shouldn't really gate a snare since there are so many ghost notes played there and cross stick like you mentioned. That's a sign of an inexperienced engineer. I use a snare gate, but the threshold is so low that it's really only closed to reduce unnecessary noise in the PA between songs etc, when nobody is playing. I have a gate on everything for that reason. Like the guitar amps, and even the DI Bass and Keyboard, but again it's so low just to reduce what little noise there is when they're not playing. It's almost unnoticeable on each channel, but when you do that across 24 channels, all those little bits of noise add up fast, even though on the new digital gear it's NOTHING like it used to be with tons of outboard analogue stuff back in the day lol. But, the threshold is so low on those gates, that on my guitar amp when if I switch to my high-gain channel even with the guitar muted, just from the amp hiss opens the Gate lol.

[@henrybatchem4617]

@@djjazzyjeff1232 U absolutely can use gates on the snare. But I would only use a sidechain trigger to gate a snare

[@Bobby_Uterus]

@@djjazzyjeff1232 Tell that to the 1980’s. Snares were highly gated in those days.

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

@@Bobby_Uterus Not live.

[@unclebaobabmusic]

This sounds useful for an enclosed arena with a separate monitor engineer but in any other type of room I think this would kill the drum sound.

[@AllenPendleton]

Church sound engineers if you can actually call them that are the worst in the world about gating and compressing the life out of the drums. I'm a drummer and sound engineer myself and when I play conferences and events I come across situations where the toms are comp'd so heavy that I literally have no dynamic range at all that I can hear in my ears. No matter how hard or soft I hit there is no discernible difference which makes playing worship music which is very dynamic music very difficult. I would like to take these guys with me out to the real world to learn.

[@iamclaytonray]

* not all church sound engineers. I'm very sparing my with use of gates and compression

[@kenjikusuma3452]

Compressing toms should be a sin.

[@fraserburke1441]

I’ve never worked with a drummer that wanted more than a kick in their monitor, if that.

[@espiondj]

I have to use gate at church and it is a little heavy on compression I admit. The reason is most drummer aty church beat the drum too hard for a small church

[@infogowowtoys1155]

ExcellentTutorial. Best i have seen. Thx

[@manipicao]

Do the same principles apply to evil music?

[@andrasandras6645]

😂😂😂😂😂 i love you

[@omegaudio]

What about using the expander setting?

[@InnerCitySlickersTV]

What mixing board are you using.?

[@scoutingforscouts]

It's a behringer x32

[@LightYagamiVSL]

If you can’t recognize an X32, fucking retire dude. What a laugh

[@DavidJordanCSMT]

Great Videos, in a easy to understand way. Thanks!

[@Cukito4]

So, most of the video was minor modulations on the same sound?

[@lalosann]

moving the key filter with the key filter off???? wierd

[@josephdixon1688]

Thank you for the video! I'm still kind of new to the X32. How exactly (step by step) do I keep the musicians from hearing the gates in their in ears? Thank you! I mean, what exact buttons do I push what knobs do I turn. I've watched A LOT of videos, hoping to find my questions answered and I'm still striking out. Thank you!

[@artissonbeats3057]

Read

[@LightYagamiVSL]

There’s no specific set of buttons and knobs to manipulate. You just need to practice more, and become a better engineer. This job isn’t as easy as just following a set of instructions

[@pedrotizol692]

How is it applied to an electric kick?

[@BjorgenEatinger]

It would be exactly the same.

[@16LiveRecords]

Masterclass with disabled processing on X32 and horible room sound?!

[@academyav]

The next chapter in our Master Class with James Hurley is up at buff.ly/1pxRLUN Learn how to use gates with drums!

[@sigurvald1]

Why such low input/gain? You use the very useful gates as expanders... Basic setting gates threshold/depth is something that happens during soundcheck - And more than often needs fiddling during performance.. Just like everything else ;-)

[@broadcastedtube]

thanks

[@wishusknight3009]

I actually keep my range much lower, like 3-5 db. But maybe i can get away with that with the kind of bins that I use.

[@charlesadrian6359]

nice bro

[@soerenkepler]

And the drummers leg is dead after having played the bass drum 10000+ times for just a soundcheck....

[@Dannys.channel]

Thank gour

[@zsozsonagy2182]

fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!! :))

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Him: "As you can hear it's not changing much right now." Me: Bruh you've got to be kidding me, that's because YOU HAVE IT TURNED OFF xD All this about the Key filters was useless. Also I'm suspicious of only doing 12dB of Range, that's like not really using a Gate or that you don't trust or have confidence in your gate Setup.

[@Dannys.channel]

Also if the drummers a heavy hitter all of a sudden you get crazy annoying interference

[@dirtyvibeofficial]

Its like waveshaper on FL studio, cmiiw

[@bluefire9113]

Waveshaping is different

[@bluefire9113]

Waveshaping changes the timbre What you're seeing is something a gate, limiter, expander and compressor would use

[@ThaylorHarmor]

For us newer mixers, a overlay of the the eq/graph while you are speaking

[@LightYagamiVSL]

That would be a useless overlay

[@devasoundkhapri8617]

Sir Hindi language me video banao na

[@smashrhythm]

That kick was lifeless to begin with. It sounds like a triggered sample like what a metal drummer would like.

[@jobelewis6416]

smashrhythm Sounds like a sample made with a Beta 91A. It’s important to have that level of definition in a live environment though to be fair

[@vedasticks]

@UFHoee Live sound and studio sound is very different. Thats not how it sounds through the pa. PA systems colour the sound and the rooms can be problematic. There is no bleed because its likely just the drummer recorded playing only kick drum and its been looped Not the best example admitdly as if it was a recording of the drummer playing you would hear the bleed