Actually if you re-watch the evil containment wave scene; Roshi never missed; his aim was perfect; but sadly the wind generated from the technique caused the lid of the rice cooker to close just before King Piccolo reached it. So basically as Roshi is slamming King Piccolo down at the jar, just before Piccolo reaches it, the wind closes the lid and Piccolo hits the top of the rice cooker with the lid shut and that is what causes the rice cooker to flip and bounce sideways. Roshi thought he had missed; but again his aim was perfect and had the lid not been as loose or had he been a few seconds faster pulling off the move he would have successfully sealed Piccolo.
@claytonepperson3189Ай бұрын
Think about it this way: they didn't retcon the move. The characters are just powerful enough to handle it now. Like how the trip beam killed tien against nappa, but he was able to use it repeatedly against cell
@deckzone3000Ай бұрын
They weren't the same attack. The one he used against Cell was a new upgraded version. Also, he was severely injured when he attacked Nappa.
@realtonysoloАй бұрын
Yep all their ki and life force arent drained all the way anymore because they are extremely powerful now.
@BMORRIS_Ай бұрын
Agreed
@josephlim-c8qАй бұрын
This is one of the saddest scenes in the series. Roshi may be strange sometimes, but he has a good heart and he wanted to protect everyone.
@kymanibaker3177Ай бұрын
He just wanted to protect the hoes 🤌
@alessandroarsuffi9227Ай бұрын
Roshi Is a wonderful character. I adore him in everything he does. He is an extremely wise person, and I guess that humor is an important trait of wisdom, too.
@gabethebabe3337Ай бұрын
Piano, Tambourine, and Cymbal were retconned to be mutated Namekians because of King Piccolo’s evil energy. They are in fact Namekians, they are just mutated to look like demons and dinosaurs. Think of them as a Namekian’s interpretation of a demon. Spoiler ahead I purposely left out Drum because we’re not there yet.
@zeospark9715Ай бұрын
Can we just point out that Roshi, during the entire time of this arc, has NEVER had a perverted moment? He was in "serious mode" all of the time since he knows how dangerous King Piccolo is
@coltchan7380Ай бұрын
He looked at Bulma’s underwear in an earlier episode.
@fitupwitsamswordАй бұрын
The pain in Tien’s voice before Master Roshi used the evil containment wave was top tier
@ozriv2688Ай бұрын
I wouldn't say that he carries so called, "sleeping spray" in his pocket at all times. Remember they left the island and house knowing they were going to more than likely encounter "Evil Demon King Piccolo". As a master, you can only wonder and imagine that your pupils would probably do something rash or irreversible when presented with such a situation. Knowing also how his students are, i doubt that he misunderstands them therefore knowing they would take a risk to help him(Master Roshi) so that he would have a better chance of survival. So the sleeping spray at least to me, is understandable because he figured they might need to be knocked out cold. I know we all want to attribute it to his perversion, but i think a lot higher of him to attribute it to that. I dont know if he has that kind of capability within him to actually ACT upon such an opportunity if presented. He is fouled and haunted by his perversion, but i think if the choice were available of (Seppuku and His perversion) i think Seppuku would be his choice... But thats just my opinion.
@CrystalMooGamingChannelАй бұрын
You are right. I agree. Roshi knows what might going to happen, so he prepared for everything
@alokgaming8201Ай бұрын
Your reaction says all Madison love you guys ❤
@captainhindsight4206Ай бұрын
actually they didnt retcon the mafuba, its just people are stronger now so they can take the strain. you cant even compare future trunks to roshi in db.
@TheRefslovesMichaelJordanАй бұрын
Master Roshi death maid me shed a tear as a kid watching this for the first time
@krazerkapАй бұрын
When Shenron was summoned, for a moment, I heard the sound effect of Wing Zero Gundam's Twin-barrel buster rifle!
@alokgaming8201Ай бұрын
I know finally you express how madison predicts the show that's why I like her
@CrystalMooGamingChannelАй бұрын
Bulma already know that the dragon radar can't find the dragon ball if it is swallow by a living creature. It's already told in the Baba's arc.
@alokgaming8201Ай бұрын
Bro you yell at the time 5.19 was hilarious 😂😂😂😂 just like madison
@StarKaiser2Ай бұрын
Yeah I was surprised cause Goku said both Krillin, and Roshi had been wished back by the Dragons balls and couldn't be brought back I have a suggestive memory and recalled that from the first time DBZ aired on toonami It doesn't surprise me that most people tend to forget it over time thou and from the flashbacks of seeing King Piccolo
@ロナウジーニョ-h2lАй бұрын
Akira Toriyama's editor told the Japanese TV program "Mando Kobayashi" that he and Toriyama had already discussed the idea of a Freeza version when the Piccolo version was being serialized. I am Japanese and I have seen that video.
@ThaiPham-gs5lu27 күн бұрын
Evil containment's one of the most unique moves I've ever seen in all DB series. Btw, Roshi's voice actor did an incredible job
@Srgt.GigglesАй бұрын
Did you guys forget how Goku couldn’t find the final dragon ball last time so they needed fortune teller baba. Bulma had figured out by then that ingestion can make the balls vanish.
@AXSLA3Ай бұрын
If you noticed, Mutaito had someone keeping the jar open for him, but Roshi had nobody.
@kaialoneАй бұрын
Piano (the dinosaur person) is a Namekian cause King Piccolo is his father. As we saw with Cymbal (in the JPN dub at least) Piccolo can choose what his children look like before he gives birth, that's why they don't look like regular Namekians.
Ай бұрын
they were demons in OG DB before the retcon
@kaialoneАй бұрын
I'm talking in hindsight here. Also Piccolo and his spawn were never retconned to not be demons- there are specific in-universe properties to being a "mazoku" like them (those they kill don't pass onto the afterlife) and this is something that's still brought up in Z
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@@kaialone they were openly called demons in the OG DB anime and manga, thats why Piccolo called himself "Demonking" and said he wanted to elevate his own reptilian clan to superior status over other demons, DBZ retconned it into "lol he is a green snail that drinks water and doesnt eat"
@kaialoneАй бұрын
Nope, he was called "mazoku" ("demon clan/tribe") in OG DB and he is STILL called that in DBZ- we just learn that the person he and Kami split from happened to be of alien origin. That doesn't change his nature as a mazoku though.
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@@kaialone dude are you trolling? How can you be a demon if your story gets retconned you are a snail from another planet that doesnt eat food but just drinks water? Stop trying to defend terrible writing in DBZ, same thing with power levels and zenkai boost nonsense, it was terrible...
@countprophet5881Ай бұрын
I usually prefer the sub these days, but big props to Mike McFarland as Roshi. His voice acting as Roshi in this episode was stellar. Roshi dying words gave me chills.
@imaratspalАй бұрын
Kami be like: "Oh, he just wants to be young again. I will allow this. Could've been worse."
@betterthanemril98824 күн бұрын
I think you being able to live or die by using the mafuba depends on the amount of energy you have to use the technique. OG dragon ball characters that used to were old and worn out so they probably had to tap into their life energy to perform the technique where in Dragon Ball super the characters are exponentially more powerful and can sustain the drainage of energy better
@PainckasАй бұрын
piccolo had dragon balls inside him, and master roshi was about to trap those balls into box forever 😂😂
@deckzone3000Ай бұрын
Or Goku and Tien train to get stronger, then release Piccolo and kill him. Unfortunately, they wouldn't know doing that would make the dragon balls no good. 😕
@CratossamaАй бұрын
“I seen Roshi in Z so I know he doesn’t die here”- Baris last video 😂😂😂😂😂
@deckzone3000Ай бұрын
Making up quotes.
@MegaDjcheckАй бұрын
it gets better and better
@cocomungaАй бұрын
King Piccolo’s Children are Namekian, but they’re just different looking because they’re not intended to be another of him. King Piccolo thinks he is a demon and creates children in the form of demons. Considering that Piccolo can create clothes out of thin air, it’s nothing too surprising.
@woodysanimationsАй бұрын
namekians arent a thing yet. this isnt dbz.
@raveoreynolds6049Ай бұрын
I always love when comments just enforce their own headcannon as the explanation for something. Everybody knows what this is. Toriyama retconning something later in the story.
@AundieVueАй бұрын
Not to mention all the stuff in Daima.
@supersaiyanjedi3930Ай бұрын
I just realized that Kishimoto must've been inspired by the Evil Containment Wave/Mafuba for his Reaper Death Seal jutsu.
@lucylucian2564Ай бұрын
nah the reason nobody died in super,was because theyre bodies could manage the drain the technique took,theyre way more powerfull plus theyre stamina is also very high.
@narukunn5152Ай бұрын
I think these two have been dipping in the goofy juice before these last couple of reactions 🤭
@tommybludАй бұрын
3:55 unless you want him to "pass" them to you you aint getin em. and if he uses the mafuba on him would he not also seal the two dragon balls?
@jack69120Ай бұрын
Kame Sennin aka Muten Roshi is immortal because he drank some holy water. BUT he can die in battle if he uses all his energy like with the Mafuba. He's a pervert old man with prohibited manners but he's still the master of our heroes and will stay in our hearts. Now Piccolo Daimao has the 7 Dragon Balls, eternal youth is at hands
@Zts1436Ай бұрын
I dont think the evil contaiment wave got retconned in Super, i just that the cast in super got so unbelievably strong that a mortal technique cant even scratch them
@JC_616Ай бұрын
Happy Thanksgiving yall 🦃
@thedrunksaiyan2227Ай бұрын
All of those creatures tambourine, piano, etc are Piccolo's children. So yeah they are namekians
@xamhehehe7888Ай бұрын
It was not retconned in super... I don't want to spoil anything, but later on it shows that you can survive the evil container wave you just have to have a higher form of energy reserves and power. This was established in dragonball itself.
Ай бұрын
its 100% a retcon
@SkrulzieАй бұрын
The reason that the Mafuba killed its user in DB was because of their low power level. Obviously by the time Z and Super came around it was different. Even during the ToP Roshi could not use it multiple times for long. Each use drained him more and more. The Mafuba in DB was used as the ultimate sealing technique that required one's full life energy to complete.
Ай бұрын
its a retcon
@cloudyriverАй бұрын
Ihh it's not a retcon Tien used it and didnt die
Ай бұрын
@@cloudyriver Tien wasnt successful and he also has his Tribeam so he learned how to conserve small amount energy to survive.
@cloudyriverАй бұрын
Was Roshi successful? He wasn't
@AzoCutzАй бұрын
I think the effects aren’t retcon, think the way it works is like Vegeta’s final atonement , where the stronger you are, the more you can resist it’s affects but that’s my thoughts
@davidcole7788Ай бұрын
Thank you for wearing black and rroshi knew he might have to stop tien so he brought spray with him. and maybe bulma knows about science and maybe somthing about the body blocks it.
@ClassymikieАй бұрын
They didn’t retcon the mafuba killing the user, they simply implied everyone got so much stronger so that they are able to use it without much life force energy!
@michaelburkard2983Ай бұрын
Great reaction as always, and happy Thanksgiving to both of you
@FireQueenMyraАй бұрын
Rest in Peace Roshi, he tried to do it like his master before damn it, also Trunks didn’t die while using the Mafuba/Evil Containment Wave because he’s way stronger than Roshi plus Trunks was in his Super Saiyan Rage form, Roshi should’ve had Tien hold the jar so that it wouldn’t close on it’s own
@SpacialRend7Ай бұрын
RIP Master Roshi.
@angryman2472Ай бұрын
i agree with the person below and even more, they didnt change it, it just in db 1) the skill level of power and training is i mportant for sure but the AGE is important as well , because the techiques energy is based to lfe energy the life energy of the user, SO ITSNLY natural a sayan like trunks who actually use it , not to be efectied at all, he is young, he is super sayan also , and faaaar more powerfull in training level, however that doesnt mean isnt dangerous , plus roshi said somehow in z that he drank a bit of life eternal water, that is why he was alive for so many genereations in db as old man! but when he use it 3 times in dbsuper, even krilin worried!
@samjohnson1358Ай бұрын
Yeah you're forgetting that Goku is a saying so he's going to get the zenkai boost after he get healed, I know I'm talking about they don't mention it they just gives you a little Easter eggs but that's what's going to happen he's going to get a zenkai boost remember if I saying fight a pony that stronger than him and survived any of the Hill they become stronger than the opponent😊
@deckzone3000Ай бұрын
No such thing as zenkai boosts in DB. When Goku eats a senzu bean and recovers, he will be the same strength he was before he fought Piccolo.
@MaskedFighterАй бұрын
because piccolo has a dragonball radar too i think
@lonewolfxmohaaАй бұрын
if anyone was gonna test if swallowing dragon balls does anything, itll be Bulma.
@michaelzainey5781Ай бұрын
Frieza panic attack: Super Saiyan King Piccolo panic attack: Evil Containment Wave.
@KingCrimsonVal187Ай бұрын
Buu’s panic attack no candy
@michaelzainey578113 күн бұрын
@@KingCrimsonVal187LET ME OUT NOW!!!!!
@angryman2472Ай бұрын
when goku go onto carin towel , you will find out WHY he is this increadible genious fighter that he always was in z, why he was so different, well at least one of the 2 reasons! the first is his amnesia when he become a good sayan , the second you are going to find out now.....
Ай бұрын
saiyans do not exist in OG DB
@ロナウジーニョ-h2lАй бұрын
Akira Toriyama's editor later said in a TV program called "mandoukobayashi" that he and Toriyama had discussed the plan up to the Frieza Arc when the Piccolo Arc was serialized. I am watching that video because I am Japanese. Do you understand?
@MikeyT-mf2feАй бұрын
Maybe I havent noticed but did y'all change the quality of y'all's videos? It looked so clear today for some reason idk lol
@shaunsmith7019Ай бұрын
Roshi doing the vogue
@tj54441Ай бұрын
It doesn't look like he missed looks like the jar closed
@johnpittsii7524Ай бұрын
Hope you two are having an great and awesome ❤
@MaskedFighterАй бұрын
the reason why nobody dies in super doing the mafuba its because they are all much stromger
@AXSLA3Ай бұрын
Chiaotzu: I wish you make me useful! Shenron: Done and with that Shenron transforms Chiaotzu into a desk lamp.
@kevingeriaviles9424Ай бұрын
😢👍👍
@MBrown5286Ай бұрын
Oh man, I can't wait to see the reactions from what happens in the next episode lol
@jefferyjr.939Ай бұрын
The Evil Containment Wave
@davidcole7788Ай бұрын
is that an engagement ring?!!!
@coltchan7380Ай бұрын
Doesn’t hit the same after seeing him use it 3 times in the Tournament of Power.
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because Super is trash
@IcisexАй бұрын
In daima we learn namekians are demons
@Candy3933Ай бұрын
EVIL CONTAINMEEEENT
@Yugioh420Ай бұрын
I could be wrong, but I believe spirit energy and life energy are either one in the same, or intertwined somehow so to use one uses the other. And in my opinion The Evil Containment Wave uses Spirit energy to accomplish, because Roshi, and his master was so old and had human levels of life energy so the evil containment wave killed them. Later in Super they all have Much more life energy, so they can use it without dieing.
@mrsirqb1793Ай бұрын
R.I.P. Master Roshi 😢
@huntermahe3010Ай бұрын
Dang it's so crazy about Master Roshi vs King Piccolo, Roshi almost had it with the mafuba technique but first of all King Piccolo is not a Namekian at this point lol because Toriyama in the 80s did not come up of Goku and Piccolo to be an alien until DBZ, Piccolo is basically a Demon Clan which is why Piano, Tambourine, and Cymbal look different
@AXSLA3Ай бұрын
"Do you remember, the twenty-first night of september?" "Love was changin' the live of pretenders" "While chasin' the clouds away" "Our hearts ringin', in the key that our souls were singin'" "As we dance in the night, remember, how th stars stole the night, oh yeah" "Hey, hey, hey, baa-dee-yaa, say do you remember?" "Ba-dee-ya, dangin' in september, ba-dee-ya never was a cloudy day" - Earth, Wind and Fire, like what Roshi will taste in this episode!
@angryman2472Ай бұрын
madison predict accidently the continue....it was one of the hypothesis you said! also madison let me answer you directly, even if he takes a senzu bean sure he wil lbe stronger, this time maybe stronger than picolo , BUT now picolo is going to be young and powerfull, and as piano said to pilaf, there would be no comparison to his power as young with what he was before! so goku must be come close to death 2 more times to be equal to him right now.... and of course these things never happened in this show! they always choose the hard way!
@smdownh9Ай бұрын
Bulma invented the dragon radar. Why wouldn't she know what would it's block signal.
@ロナウジーニョ-h2lАй бұрын
The reason for this is that it is a scene added only to the anime. The dialogue does not exist in the manga.
@tehjboney4249Ай бұрын
No because Nova Shenron literary stated that he was born from the wish that made King Piccolo regain his youth and mortality.
@Gathaspar-k8rАй бұрын
Piccolo's offspring are not pure namekians but mutated ones. They were known in the First DB as just demons.
@ValientlinkАй бұрын
The monsters aren't Namekians, Toriyama hadn't plotted that out yet. But it's safe to assume that because Piccolo Daimao is the demonic half of Kami, he can create any demonic type of monster he wants. Also I don't think it was a retcon exactly in Super. I think it will only kill you if you are significantly weaker than the enemy or something. Tien survives it in this arc too
@troymatthews9541Ай бұрын
If only gas from the manga had eternal youth
@smdownh9Ай бұрын
Trunks is a lot stronger than Roshi him surviving the evil containment wave is the same way Vegeta survived his self-destruction attack he used against Top the destroyer. It's the same way Tien was able to use multiple tribeam cannons against Cell and live.
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its a retcon
@deckzone3000Ай бұрын
*Did you see the Tien vs Roshi fight? They are really close in power. *Vegeta only self destructed once. It's not something you survive unless you can regenerate like Cell or Buu. *Tien's attack against Cell was different than the one he used against Nappa. He was also severely injured against Nappa.
@smdownh9Ай бұрын
@@deckzone3000 Tien is stronger when he fights second form Cell than when he fought Jackie Chun in Dragon Ball
@deckzone300022 күн бұрын
@@smdownh9 What's your point?
@smdownh922 күн бұрын
@@deckzone3000 To explain why the evil containment wave wasn't dangerous for Trunks