7 tips to improve your FOREHAND LOOP (with Ferenc Horvath)

[@jeffreycounts]

My 12 year old was having great difficulty with the forehand loop and the only thing his coach would say was "finish higher" which never helped at all and was incredibly frustrating. It wasn't until we watched this video and compared his loop (through iphone slow motion video) to Ferenc's in slow motion that we we able to see what he was doing wrong and what he needed to do. Now he has a fantastic loop with heavy spin. He turned a weakness into a big strength. Can't thank Tom and Ferenc Horvath enough for this one.

[@isadsyafaat7057]

Forehand loop tutorial timestamp 1:06 - bat starting position 2:25 - the swing 3:40 - bat angle 5:02 - finish position 6:20 - distance from body 7:20 - timing 8:42 - more speed / spin

[@CliffordPinoyWanderer]

i like how simple the technique is being taught, plain to understand. thanks for sharing.

[@mihai8555]

Tom, I love how you are able to bring other people to explain certain areas of the game. This session was really good, Horvath brought some clear points across. I thought I saw all there is to see in terms of youtube forehand loop, but now I'm happy you did this video

[@TomLodziak]

Thank you. Every coach brings a slightly different perspective, so there is always something new to learn.

[@siukeungwan6127]

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[@AhmedanterElsayed]

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[@vyacheslavbrodovoy2039]

A very educative explanation from a calm and pleasant gentleman.

[@kjnichols8242]

This is one if not the best Top spin forehand videos I have ever watched! This was explained very well. Many points make a lot of sense and easy to understand. I am excited to give it a try. You are my favorite trainer online! Thank you😀

[@TomLodziak]

Thank you! Hope it helps you develop your forehand loop.

[@uleyzano6178]

I am so grateful to you for this lesson. At last I'v understood how to do a forehand loop. After a week of training I started to feel real improvement. Before I watched all videos on forehand loop Russian, Chines, English but didn't succeed. Ferenc made it clear for me and put everything in order. Tom please, invite him to explain backhand topspin.

[@shilongecho2840]

This is one of the best forehand loop tutorials so far. I'm learning this technique and getting a lot of inspiration from this.

[@minshweyi6468]

I was struggling where to end and how to get more spin. This video solves it all! Thanks a lot both of you. Looking forward to watch next awesome training clips.🏓

[@manhtuannguyen1035]

yes yes , and i remember Chinesse master advices for all situation: 1, relax boby, 2. Hit when moving body (turn hip),3. hit suddenly (bat hits ball not ball touch bat)

[@mediumdun18]

This was a great video....one of the most helpful on your channel. Thank you coach Horvath and Tom!

[@Hajjat]

One of the best vids about forehand loop against backspin, in depth minute details, thanks for sharing!

[@CyprusPete]

By far THE best video I’ve seen describing the forehand loop 👏👏👏

[@TomLodziak]

Thanks Pete. Hope it helps lots of players out there.

[@magyarszkijabel2313]

Köszönjük Ferenc és Tom! Thanks a lot Ferenc and Tom!

[@tamasgal9856]

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[@badbreathdunghead2683]

Thx for Eng subtitles... i Couldnt understand what u r saying but.... now i can get what u mean..... thanks to the subs..

[@24ghosh24]

After reading the comment i just blindly started reading subtitles before even listening to what he was saying..n then after a while wait...everything is understandable ..why am i reading subs..lol

[@gl782maf]

Thank you Tom and Ferenc for great demo. and explanation on the topspin loop. This will really help me to achieve more consistent returns.

[@grahammackenzie8778]

I love your videos! Thank you - as an enthusiastic amateur, your videos have helped me tremendously to up my game and have a lot more fun at our ping pong league.

[@nickludu2251]

Best couch ever/simple and crystal clear explanation.

[@RobertoCostas]

Couch?

[@timcable]

Tom, your guest really explained things very well. thanks.

[@umatic6122]

A very good video. Ferenc demonstrates the forehand topspin excellently. Can I make a request? A similar video with Ferenc for the backhand topspin - that would be great!

[@TomLodziak]

Your request is granted! I will be releasing a video in April with Ferenc demonstrating his BH loop.

[@umatic6122]

@@TomLodziak Wonderful - thanks a lot!

[@zhelezyaaka]

The best instruction about forhand loop!

[@kevins3646]

Some very good pointers in the video. For me the key was stepping in and getting close to the table. Also using the elbow snap.

[@jcjensenllc]

I like the slow motion - very helpful.

[@zhelezyaaka]

Complete pack of tips for loop. Thank you!

[@donaggey4398]

I love this technique God bless you

[@jules-bz5vc]

Excellent advice well explained. Thanks tom and Ferenz

[@MichaelColpin]

Great tutorial, thanks ! But I'm surprised there is no words about legs and footwork because they are also very important in the forehand loop.

[@ΑχιλλέαςΤρανουλίδης]

Thanks Tom, very good demo from Horvath

[@YourWellBeing02]

Forence’s technique is very clean!

[@adchuk]

Excellent video, very helpful, thank you.

[@alexandersidokhine1215]

Hi Tom, very helpful videos. Thank you. Please provide a video with the techniques to respond on the forehand/ backhand loops.

[@TomLodziak]

Thank you. I have added you suggestion to my list of videos to make in the future.

[@weeramalasri6687]

I am table tennis beginner. It is very useful and help. Thank you for your clip.

[@johnhill1421]

Great tuition thanks guys 👍

[@МаксимОлийнык-ж2в]

That's great video. Very interesting! Thanks!

[@joeillingworth1141]

Incredibly useful

[@tarmizimusa5078]

thanks Tom, this really helps.

[@samithsrinivas7413]

Please make a video on chops .I am asking this from long time Please sirrrr

[@alexr9030]

I agree , I want to see this technique applied to a really good chopper to be able to apply pressure against a chopper player

[@TomLodziak]

I'm currently talking to a very good chopper and trying to persuade to make some videos with me. Hopefully it will happen!

[@MikolaiStroinski]

Great channel. Thank you!

[@MOSTAFA131160]

great very informative video, Thank you.

[@gdevelek]

This is not the only valid swing motion. There is another choice where you end up with the racket over the left shoulder, as opposed to above and to the left of your forehead. It's use by many professionals interchangeably with this more "traditional" swing.

[@MarcelSM01]

Thanks, this will be helpful

[@manhtuannguyen1035]

Thank you Must say that it’s really helpful, I struggled with the heavy back spin - ball goes down fast and very next to the edge of table. The distance too much from body to table is the key

[@idrivearttabletennis]

great video - really well done. thank you!

[@mehfame]

very good lesson thanks guys

[@aruncps]

Awesome tutorial 🤩

[@edgarzakarian6240]

Thank you Tom, thank you Ferenc (very good english by the way).

[@halter777]

Good video, clean and easy to understand :)

[@tomtimor9789]

Thanks guys !

[@kishokrajkumar8141]

Hey Tom ,please post a video about looping of no spin balls.

[@marianobreton7611]

Merci beaucoup pour cette technique!

[@kiyoshinatanaeldiary]

Excellent tutorial

[@benjaminmiranda9919]

Very good coach.

[@jom2329]

Great video, please tip what is blade ,rubber in this clip

[@bobyorke]

Thanks Tom. Very good

[@cannongavinjr7166]

excellent info Thank You

[@three-O-two-four]

the best explanation loveeeeeee

[@ODowdEric]

Perfect ! Thanks !

[@WhiteKnightPoet]

Tom, what are the approximate BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES that you use for your OPENING LOOP against HEAVY BACKSPIN? And how do these angles compare to the BAT ANGLES and ARM MOVEMENT ANGLES you use for your COUNTER-LOOPS against HEAVY TOPSPIN? (Could you also please ask the same question to Ferenc Horvath?)

[@Fontsman]

To me the stroke and contact is more like a topspin power drive. The loop is usually a longer stroke at maximum speed combined with very fine ball contact which then generates the required super spin. Xu Xin probably has the most powerful loop in today's game. Ma Lin had a phenomenal loop and Timo Boll generates a heavy loop but with a quite compact stroke.

[@darrinkulyk9560]

Awesome Vid Thankyou .

[@qomarqomarudin7307]

thanks a lot coach Tom

[@Moodswing8]

I am really weak at forehand and backhand chop and push . Can you please give me some tips or make a video for this . I will be very greatful.

[@novakpetrovic9447]

Thank you sir!

[@yaweli2968]

I think you could emphasize on the racket angle too. That’s where it really gets confusing. I see you open the racket about 70 degrees to the table for the heavy underspin balls.

[@georgedavis3509]

Tom & Ferenc great video. However, he has smooth top spin you both forget to tell us what type the blade Mr. Ferenc is using and what type the rubber he is using on his forehand?

[@kdgr]

Really cool! 🏓👍

[@DivaNiksKan]

Thanks a ton

[@bojiboji1]

Thank you. Great lesson. Do you ever do sessions with people like me who use the K grip?

[@danielflores4278]

Tom... Is it possible to take a coack to teach certain things for penholders? Maybe not now due to the pandemic, but soon...

[@tonycorazonoficial8692]

Verry gut. Thanks

[@edithanyaibe5005]

Love the tutorial ❤. I really love playing table tennis in in my school but the net is too high and it's made out of wood what should I do. pls answer

[@TomLodziak]

Oh dear. Ask your school to buy a proper net!

[@edithanyaibe5005]

Thanks for the reply I'll make sure I do so

[@neroma]

Best lesson!

[@josepinchero]

Tom or Ferenc. question for ya. Ferenc says to (consistently) maximize speed of the stoke and keep the bat angle consistent. So...if someone feed you balls with lots of backspin vs just a little backspin...what varies in how to successfully get each of these back over the net in a forehand loop?

[@jelleversteeg3244]

go more forward(into the ball) on a ball with a little backspin(move more into a regular topspin)

[@ferenchorvath26]

In general the more backspin you get, the lower the bounce will going to be and to counter the heavier effect and the ball's low trajectory, a slightly more opened angle is needed with more force applied upwards (approx. from a 45-60 degrees swinging angle to a 70-80 degrees, depending on the spin amount)

[@tomazzelic3159]

He didn't mean that angle is consistent for every forehand loop you do. It should be consistent for a single stroke from start to finish.

[@ananthahegde8476]

In general I've found that if you have a good wing, then a some variation in the incoming backspin won't matter, because the your contact time will be so small that the backspin won't matter, you just whip it across. What I've found matters a lot is that your entire topspin action should be in the same plane, and this plane should have the same normal vector as the angle of your bat. Not doing this inconsistency and low efficiency

[@josepinchero]

@@tomazzelic3159 thanks! yes. and his reply above suggests for heavy backspin, one might need to choose a bat angle of 80 degrees (from 45). i do understand the need to keep the bat angle consistent for a single stroke

[@ajayraval3747]

Super useful

[@alexmendelev]

Thanks a lot!!!

[@tyronekim3506]

Very good explanation on the forehand loop technique, but when I see top ranked Chinese players, their loop start out with elbows straight with arms extended back and elbows bent a moment before contacting the ball, generating more contact speed. In other words, their swing is much bigger from start to finish. I think this is the difference between Western style and Asian style. What is your take on my opinion?

[@paragontabletennis8555]

I completely agree with you. Their shoulder is more 'detached' when they loop, creating potentially more powerful and spinnier loops - which style I would say is more difficult from a coordination aspect for a regular player. This is definitely one of the many factors that makes them better.

[@tyronekim3506]

@@paragontabletennis8555 Thanks for the reply. Best wishes.

[@418jp]

Hello, here he explains "european top spin" with bouncy rubber. You discribe the "chinese top spin", they use tacky and not bouncy rubbers that requires a huge action on the ball. So chineses players use their shoulder to have a long swing and increase the angular speed of the top spin. You can't do chinese top spin with bouncy rubber. The two technics are ok but require different equipments. The big advantage playing with chinese tacky rubbers is not for top spin, but for short game et service.

[@saishvi1]

Good details

[@benmcmanus8192]

Hi Tom great video quick question have you done a video or have a link about putting either olive oil or baby oil on your bat to rejuvenate the tackiness of the rubber. Or do you have any general advice on this please thank you

[@TomLodziak]

I'm hoping to make a series of videos about table tennis equipment and maintenance later this year. But I have never tried using baby oil. I use a little bit of spray to clear and sweat and dust. And then every few months, I just buy new rubbers.

[@benmcmanus8192]

@@TomLodziak thank you

[@saishvi1]

Good lesson

[@Moodswing8]

Thankyou so much tom

[@andreika6681]

Ferenc Horvath would certainly make good $$ selling his instructional dvd

[@ירוןגולן-ב8צ]

thank you

[@woosungjjangtv]

Thank you!😄

[@geetsharma7585]

Thank you brother

[@geetsharma7585]

Please make a video for backhand chop

[@mishellevinski9908]

great tips, follow and subscribe !

[@Joygulplay]

Very good video. But the problem to me is that I have a slow paddle and it's harder for me to lift the ball when it has backspin. (Especially heavy backspin)

[@TomLodziak]

You could try (1) increasing the speed of the swing or (2) exaggerating the stroke - really lift your racket up high. This should help a little with a very slow bat.

[@Joygulplay]

@@TomLodziak ok thanks for the tips🙂

[@danielmolnar9099]

Bojler eladó!

[@flavioferraz3870]

Great!!!

[@KANA-rd8bz]

I have some reservations about his playing technique

[@josepinchero]

my forehand loop openers are still often going into the net. i feel like i'm following these instructions from Horvath...but still ball into the next). perhaps i need to generate even more upward speed? or perhaps it's a bit of lack of moving the paddle forward w/ the hip rotation? i hesitate to open the bat angle more...seems like it'd be better to have a forehand loop consistent bat angle all the time and vary more in speed.. but i'm not getting this consistent enough yet.

[@Ion948]

The most important thing that was not mentiond in this video is that you must bend your knees , especially on the power leg wich is the right leg for right handed players, and you move your body weight from your right leg to your left leg in the same time you swng your hand and brush the ball. When you are looping a ball with underspin effect you must and i repeat MUST bend your knees a lot lower than when you loop a ball with a top spin effect and move the body wheight from the back to the front leg with a very springy effect. ( sorry for my english)

[@Ion948]

And one mor thing when you loop a ball with strong underspin effect you must lift it up whic means you swing your hand in a more upward direction whilst when you loop a ball with top spin effect or no efect you swing your hand in a moor forward direction.

[@josepinchero]

@@Ion948 Ion, this is very helpful! thanks! a question on your reply. what type of contact are you trying to make, or contact that you must make in order to loop a heavy backspin ball? e.g., solely brush contact? or more of a brush-drive? just brushing can be very challenging for a intermediate....

[@mojtabaghafoory8474]

I think he hitting side of the ball so it is easier to loop backspin but what about direction? if i want to do drive loop down the line what should i do?

[@ikerangulo2880]

I liked the video. But isn't it topspin explanation instead of forehand one? Thanks

[@jokolelono6313]

hello tom, I would like to ask your permission to post your tutorial video on our table tennis club website, do you allow me to do that?

[@ThịDungNguyễn-h7u]

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[@sathyashealthycookingchann5517]

...nice thank u.....

[@cm4sonu]

Send me a link to how to do forehand smash

[@khoil5817]

You have everything step but the timing/when to hit the ball which is essential.

[@mojtabaghafoory8474]

Difficult part is in real game opponent push every where with different length and spin so it is very hard to 3rd ball attack consistently.

[@TomLodziak]

Sure, it can be tricky, but the more you play and practice the easier it becomes to adjust to different lengths and spin of pushes. Make sure you are watching your opponent closely, to give yourself the maximum amount of time to react to his placement and spin.

[@anirudhsardiwal3471]

Thanks

[@anirudhsardiwal3471]

Great vids! Helping me a lot at my club level game.. wish I could send a bigger amount..

[@TomLodziak]

Thank you so much. Every little helps keep me going! If you ever have any suggestions for videos, please do let me know.

[@alfandosavant4639]

Shouldn't the swing start from the waist, then the elbow/wrist?

[@amadeusbm]

In this context, what do you advise against hitting the edge of the racket?