Sonic But He's WAY Cooler! (Smash Bros Ultimate)

[@Master0fHyrule]

I bet you won't click this kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaicYpWtjJh3kNEsi=B1blMuW9jryK_h7i

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

A lot

[@BlazeK9]

I didn't click it. Should I?

[@maikprohl2752]

E

[@BlazeK9]

@@maikprohl2752 what's that supposed to mean?

[@NoobyTheGamer]

I won’t click

[@TronicSSJ07]

How Sonic fans view Sonic: a cocky impatient and rebellious blue hedgehog with a stylish flare to his moveset. How Sakurai views Sonic: spiny rat but ball.

[@SpeedyCarts]

@@TronicSSJ07 couldn’t be closer to the truth

[@zackwithn3177]

I like how instead of a clap, they made Sonic tap his feet. Fits his cool personality even more

[@lukeigi7261]

I think that they should get rid of clapping in general. Other games have unique loosing poses and it’s much better

[@orangeslash1667]

@@lukeigi7261 I think Sakurai is bias for the simplicity of the Classic Sonic games.

[@SonicTheBlueFastBoi]

Sonic also had a ridiculous tiny smile when he was clapping too, the one seen here is more Sonic-ish

[@mober7430]

@@orangeslash1667 I mean they are objectively the best games in the franchise.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@mober7430 I think Sakurai has an easier time representing characters from 2d games, Castlevania, Mega Man, King K rool, Terry, and of course the Fire Emblem reps.

[@legomaster2538]

I hope for the next Smash Brothers (if there is another Smash Bros), the developers will update some of Sonic's moves to feature some of his attacks from the combat system of Frontiers.

[@SonicTheHedgehogCoder]

They probably won't tbh

[@DerpyCorgo]

likely won't be a next smash bros, Sakurai is retired

[@ViktorGerts]

​@@DerpyCorgoNo he isn't

[@karelissomoved1505]

Isnt Sakurai is temporlaly retired?

[@ILikeSoda229]

@@DerpyCorgo Nintendo doesn’t care about Sakurai, weather or not he’s retired they’re still going to make one

[@mr.doodytp3793]

This kinda would be sonic if Sakurai took the time to actually make a move set.

[@glowdonk]

He was basically a rushed, last minute character when Brawl was being made Yet they didn't bother changing the moveset... AT ALL Despite a lot of characters having changes to their movesets

[@s1y22]

@@glowdonk that's crazy. well the fans always give us what we want so im not tripping 😁

[@adamspeiser6449]

I think his moveset is kind of interesting already, it is just boring after a while. Don't know why they had to give him two spin dash special moves though. The rest represents him well enough, but the modded ones are always cool, such as these and project M

[@xBlaster]

​​@@glowdonkthey did change it... to make it even less interesting. Sure, people disliked him being all ball attacks, but changing them for generic kicks is not good either, plus some of the removed attacks were actual references.

[@Mewdo45]

Ikr? Didn't battle come before smash bros brawl? He could have used that as refs over making the entire moveset a spindash

[@tailsprower8118]

I think I like the Battle one most, just for the SA1 pose alone. Also that Final Smash looks WAY better than the original

[@lyndisrobin]

Agreed.

[@mober7430]

Eh I honestly like the Breakdacing more but I do prefer the Battle moveset.

[@LucasHopkins2006]

Wish we got this, I get it in Brawl when Sonic was a last minute addition but Smash 4 and Ultimate have no excuse

[@Julian-um2om]

and even sonic was characterized way better in brawl so I don’t understand 😫

[@LucasHopkins2006]

@@Julian-um2om Agreed, what was the point in taking away the “You’re too slow”, and “Come on, step it up”, like seriously what the heck

[@Freefork]

I even think Brawl based Sonic on his appearance in 06. Sadly, that is my favorite Sonic ignoring the modded versions. Crusade might be my favorite(and maybe modded SSF2).

[@leohernandez8751]

It does feel in character for Sonic to be this confident and cocky teenager, so his taunts from Brawl when he says “C’mon, Step it up!” And the ever iconic “You’re too slow!” really captures his personality to a tee! Imagine every time Sonic lands a successful homing attack, he does a trick off the opponent to style on them further? I especially love the touch of the mod that when Sonic loses, he is tapping his foot in frustration and impatience which also fits his personality 😂

[@JeremyBlue-z9k]

@@LucasHopkins2006 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqCpaYRnasdlY6s

[@kenkaneki8809]

I like how the mod incorporates the break dancing aspect of sonics moves cause that's how he fights

[@anomaly395]

4:00 This is *exactly* how I would’ve changed Sonic’s final smash. It should‘ve been more like Diddy Kong’s.

[@Pebble-jr]

@@anomaly395 fr

[@Yellowboat26]

4:34 I love the Smash Remix victory screen.

[@hermanosriveraangulo8545]

I love how in his "clap" animation in the mod, sonic is very disappointed to lose, fitting better into his personality of a teenager who doesn't have as much respect for his rivals

[@SparkTheSnorlax]

Except for the fact that Smash Bros. is supposed to be a friendly competition, based off the fact that almost every character claps for their opponent's victories. Getting this pissed off by friendly competition is very unlike Sonic, especially his modern iteration.

[@dandy5175]

@@SparkTheSnorlax it really isn't

[@burningblaze7820]

@@dandy5175 it is

[@Gaonkkk]

​@@dandy5175 It literally is, you just don't know Sonic's character at all

[@Kelps.mp4]

Hard to pinpoint if he would get pissed off or not, but personally I don't think he would. Sonic is really carefree and chill, so I don't see him getting salty over losing in a friendly competition. Even when he lost at the Extreme Gear race against Jet in the beginning of Sonic Riders, he wasn't really angry. Sonic only gets genuinely mad when someone he cares about gets hurt, like with Shahra.

[@OrlandoAToons2008]

Sakurai needs to make sonic like this in the next smash bros.

[@Still_Dum]

Uh there is no next smash bros its finished

[@OrlandoAToons2008]

@@Still_Dum sakurai said in his channel that if a next smash game is on the road, he will be on it.

[@gh0st1es]

@@Still_Dum the creator said something about how there will possibly be another one

[@meheecan123]

This time adding Sonic the Fighters AND! Sonic Battle movesets

[@Hinotefrom183rd]

@@Still_Dum Let's say there WAS one on the way.. It's gotta be more than ultimate. What's more than ultimate? .. Maybe "Final"? ;or "Re-union"? "Version 2"? ;or "Galaxy"? Something Superior to ultimate.. Even then, they would probably make a re-make to the 1st AND ORIGINAL super smash bros for N64 on 4K (Similar to MK1). With download content (Characters, music, and stages), online play, co-op story mode, co-op "Break the targets", co-op "Board the Platforms", Co-op "Polygon team", Only "boss stages speedruns", "Co-op/versus Homerun derby", additional content, etc.. Even some full games through the NES and SNES.. I'm sure this will break the banks. I would definitely spend a pretty penny on it.

[@cailieisidro5758]

Times where the mod did better than the original

[@ChaosX-editz]

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[@unknownuser0813]

im pretty sure if sega is the one who designed sonic in smash we would get something like this

[@chasical8493]

too many instances to even count

[@RemisterReal]

Sonic fans are devs lol. They make every game with Sonic in it better

[@adamspeiser6449]

The mods are always usually better cause we get exactly what we want

[@nathanielcardinal9634]

Now this is the move set I was expecting for Smash Bros Ultimate. There could of been so many changes for Sonic's move set but I guess Sakurai didn't want any. It sure is good to have modders around to make those changes for use. Thank you to the person who made this masterpiece.

[@orangeslash1667]

His down air is a reference to Sonic Battle.

[@benmalsky9834]

I guess you could say these are “way past cool”!

[@MenacingTato69420]

I could say that these mods were “almost too easy” to rank!

[@RabbitGuy_]

I guess you could say that sonic’s original move set was “no good”!

[@benmalsky9834]

@@RabbitGuy_ No, it was good.

[@benmalsky9834]

@@RabbitGuy_ It’s fine for what it is.

[@benmalsky9834]

@@RabbitGuy_ You’re just upset that there isn’t enough references in his moveset.

[@EvilMariobot]

Aside from a couple of taunts, it really feels like all that was different was just the one move between Modern and Battle.

[@Vermillion37]

Agreed

[@selassieaspen9940]

Cuz Sonic attacking at different angles in different taunts (up air)

[@newtzrcool]

Sonic's Up Air (Modern/Battle) is genuinely so cool. He looks so awesome while doing it

[@GREEN-DUCK-KOMBAT-4278]

3:17 that up taunt is a 10/10

[@rankii_hats]

Sonic using the Sonic battle moves and side B beeing boost has gotta be some of my favorite implementations and the poses that he does mid attack always make him feel cooler

[@Froggo-up4wu]

wish someone out there gave him that one projectile move that comes outta his spindash, that was sick

[@The_Batman_]

4:28 actually perfect

[@stephenshampine11]

The goal post is honestly my favorite change. The movesets looked great too though!

[@sonicgamer620]

4:41 the frontiers one lol

[@DerpyCorgo]

"wish one of these had you're too slow" you and me both dude

[@paranoidwishes]

That would be toxic as hell😂

[@aldovesper1362]

That down taunt alone has sold me on Battle Sonic.

[@dashthehedgehog2612]

Sakurai: He spins The people who have history with Sonic:

[@sw00we.]

3:31 SONIC ADVENTURE ‼️

[@faithful_otaku7339]

These modders are so talented, Nintendo should hire them! I gotta download these modes and try them out!

[@ShizBliz10]

imagine an alternate timeline where Sakurai actually had time and put sonic into brawl with an actually good move set rather than just ball

[@orangeslash1667]

Wasn't Sonic just ball moves in the classic games???

[@ShizBliz10]

@@orangeslash1667 this is modern sonic we're talking about

[@orangeslash1667]

@@ShizBliz10 Yes but Smash bros is a 2d game. So it makes more sense for Sakurai to focus on what can do in the classic games because their also 2d. Yuji UeKawa said that the reason the Sonic cast was redesigned is to suit the transition to 3D. Which makes it easier to use Sonic the Fighter moves. Besides we already have Ryu and Terry to represent fighting game movesets.

[@boydixonentertainment]

⁠@@orangeslash1667Many of the 3D games have 2D elements however and even if they didn’t, I don’t think anything Sonic does in the modern games would be that hard to translate into 2D.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@boydixonentertainment Maybe, but it would be difficult to balance. If Sonic's speed was combined with almost all of his moves from Sonic Battle, he could be broken in Smash???

[@legomaster2538]

1:34 If Impa from Age of Calamity was in Smash, I guarantee you that would be her forward air that spikes opponents. She has the same forward kick in AoC when you use the standard-attack button while gliding in the air.

[@joeyglenn6893]

It was form smash remix 64

[@a.liguria2698]

The mods changed the down smash, up air and foward air with better looking moves; so they're both better than the original just because of that for me.

[@Mariogamer369]

4:52 SONIC HOPS OFF THE STAGE!🤣

[@Rokushi_ftw]

Wish one of the taunts said "Come on, step it up!"

[@JoshuaThompson-ut4fb]

1:37 hold up

[@SuperGamefreak18]

its hard to decide between the mods both are better and its TOO CLOSE to decide there certain things I like more from each mod

[@jameshargrove5319]

Once again Fans do what (sega &) nintwndont.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

s@@jameshargrove5319 so true

[@VictorDiaz-gd7rj]

4:50 that is actually based on sonic CD. Cause if you wait too much, sonic will auto-kill himself and then leaving you with 0 lives, too

[@GoofyAhhCrap]

combined with the brawl voicelines and we get perfection

[@darksoultrey167]

4:34 Sonic's movement was timed PERFECTLY to the music, it was WAY past cool

[@manoelmano8995]

I want to hear that music!

[@SaddieMoon]

Now I’m interested in seeing Modern & Battle to do dem challenges.

[@YaBoiSaltyOfficial]

the fact that you haven't been hired by nintendo yet is downright unforgivable note: i got all giddy when i saw the goal post victory, it's little things like that put this all together

[@desgaming4836]

4:36-4:40 nobodys talking about how sonic ABSOLUTLEY hit that lil jig

[@buhbuh1727]

Jason Griffith's Sonic voice would be so perfect with this

[@Lightning-2153]

I absolutely adore Modern Sonic's up air with the upside-down Adventure 1 pose!

[@ElijahtheBrownie]

That ending was just hilarious!

[@GREEN-DUCK-KOMBAT-4278]

1:38 that Down smash is perfect for modern sonic

[@JermTheSigma]

Modern Sonic easily. The only change I would make is to put Ultimate’s up Smash on Modern.

[@oddayrriveraotero1353]

My favorite has to be the battle one, that's how i imagine sonic in super smash bros 6

[@shibafinsoup]

i love how he just kills himself at the end of the video lmao

[@squee-g1658]

The only thing I like more in the vanilla version is the up throw. Seeing him use his quills like that is neat tbh

[@M4N14C4L]

we need more mods like this tbh

[@SD_Nik0]

Sonic would genuinely be better than Joker with this one. Sakurai, please hire the man who made the battle moveset 🙏

[@LunarAlt]

The battle one looks how it should've been but my only problems with it is up grab looks a bit weird and his mouth doesnt change in his idle but thats just my opinion

[@KerryGamingTundra94]

I've never owned a Genesis or any other SEGA console, but my 1st game that introduced me to the Sonic series was actually for either the GameCube or PS2 and it was Sonic Heroes and from there I became a huge Sonic fan, I actually owned the Gameboy ports of Sonic 1 and 2. Honestly I even own a few of the classic Sonic cartoons from the 90's on DVD, I even own the official Sonic Forces soundtrack too, I also own plush versions of both Sonic and Shadow that I won from the same claw machine. I also own a keychain version of Shadow, I also own a Sonic blanket too, I just got a Sonic figurine in my Easter basket this year. I also have a Sonic board game called Sonic Crash Course and I own about 10 Sonic games for both my Xbox and Switch.

[@supermario100100]

I always thought it was a crime that they didnt use ANY moves from Sonic battle, this move set is sooooo much cleaner

[@ViorbyX]

Modern version is totally amazing! Also his forward aerial is literally alternative version of Mario's

[@TheLandSharkJeff]

When sakurai was making Sonic he just thought of✨BALLS✨

[@speedathecheetah7756]

This is beautiful I gotta give it to the battle sonic So many improvements

[@red5158077]

I'm probably gonna get a lot of eyes for this. But I've never had a problem with Sonic's natural moveset at all but the mods are super cool!

[@DarkDoom9976]

I'd do anything to have this type of Sonic instead of the old one in smash

[@EiForgor]

Finally a better Sonic moveset.

[@SammyRockett-z9q]

Wow how cool, a mod of Shantae the half genie in the game would be cool too! It would be a ball show!!

[@Mrkingdom23]

Man Sonic would probably be in A tier if he had the battle moves set or Modern move set

[@skrub_king]

I actually lurched forward in my seat when I saw the first second of video

[@CharaIsNotEvil]

It was a tough choice to choose between Modern and Battle, but after seeing the taunts, I’m definitely choosing Battle as my favourite!

[@crimsonsonic2]

There are literally 2 difference that actually matter, the dash attack and side special.

[@ThyShadowMan]

4:36 W SONIC HEROES

[@ThyShadowMan]

4:41 W SONIC FRONTIERS

[@ThyShadowMan]

3:30 W SONIC ADVENTURES

[@Cr7editsofc-t2q]

You are a big fan just like me

[@Cr7editsofc-t2q]

4:50 Sonic cd

[@adamhogan5442]

This is absolutely incredible

[@blorgyschmorgy7556]

this was so well done that in a future smash game where this is the true sonic, ssbu sonic’s moveset would be given to Classic sonic as an echo fighter since that one makes more sense Similar to Black shadow where he could have ssbu ganon’s moveset where it’s a replica of captain falcon’s

[@cosmicspacething3474]

This makes me think His and Diddy kong’s final smashes should’ve been swapped

[@themaninyourcloset2951]

As a sonic main i approve

[@SparkTheSnorlax]

Everything is great... except the losing animation. From my understanding, Smash Bros. is supposed to be a friendly competition, and that's why most characters clap for their opponent after losing. It's kind of unlike Sonic to get pissy over a friendly competition. The clap is completely in character, so idk why it's changed in the mod.

[@SparkTheSnorlax]

@@JannickFarrellManuelOlii Clapping is overused? I'm sorry, what are you on about?

[@SparkTheSnorlax]

@@JannickFarrellManuelOlii OK? Each character in Smash Bros. also has their own losing animation, most of them just so happen to be clapping.

[@darksoultrey167]

can we also have the scene where pit and his friends talk about him and change it to where they give him respect like Mega Man

[@TrayJD]

Everything I agree with, but that up-throw is crazy

[@yurieshicatay6309]

I never understood why Sakurai didn't pull his move set from battle especially considering that sonic battle was made exclusively on a Nintendo platform

[@orangeslash1667]

The problem is that combining Sonic's speed and all of the animations from Sonic Battle, could make Sonic overpowered. A least we have Terry and Ken to represent fighting games.

[@AiGeneratedWaluigi]

@@orangeslash1667but it wouldn’t make him overpowered if balanced

[@orangeslash1667]

@@AiGeneratedWaluigi That's easier said than done. Remember Serphiorth had to be lightweight to balance his power. Since Sonic is a platformer character, Sakurai feels that his speed and jumping is the most important. Sadly that means there's not much room for anything else. The reason Caption Falcon doesn't have this problem is he is because he's from a racing game. While Caption Falcon's mobility is good, Sonic's is superior. So instead of comparing Sonic to Caption Falcon. Compare Sonic to other platformer reps like Peach, Diddy Kong, and Kirby.

[@capnbingbong7833]

Best change is putting boost as a side special! Too cool I also like the control added to the spindash

[@Coldrior]

just because of the dawn taunt i'll go with the battle version, that sonic adventure vibes really got m xD

[@Molten2004]

Holy shit. If Sonic had either of those movesets, preferably Modern, I would actually main him.

[@Log828]

Yet without remaster sonic is still op 😂😂

[@_TRB_]

2:36 It would have made more sense for Sonic to turn into a ball and repeatedly spin against the enemy. 3:32 And for some reason Sonic's smile doesn't change so I can't see him getting upset about taking me too long to move.

[@riboiman4005]

1:33 In SSF2, this move is broken!

[@grassybsr7522]

My favorites: Walk/Run: Any Jumps: Modern Neutral attack: Battle Jab: Original Up tilt: Any Forward tilt: Any Down tilt: Any Dash attack: Original Up smash: Modern/battle Forward Smash: Any Down smash: Mordern/battle Neutral Air: Battle Up air: Modern/battle Forward Air: Mordern/battle Down air: Modern Back air: Modern/battle Neutral B: Any Up B: Battle Down B: Original Side B: Modern/battle Grab attack: Any Up throw: Original Forward throw: Any Down throw: Any Back throw: Modern Ledge attack: Any Ledge roll: Any Up taunt: Battle Side taunt: Any Down taunt: Battle Final smash: Battle No contest: Modded Victory screen: Corbond's because Eggman cameo lol Overall, I think my favorite is battle

[@Not_Efficient]

Unrelated but when he said to smash the like button, the like button started glowing

[@Ludzar]

i find funny that the original sonic in the game was like BALLS

[@AC_is_here]

Okay the spinning dash attack is way too cool for me to ever be satisfied with the smash bro one ever again

[@jbsMUWcreations2089]

This is so much better than the original

[@DanKen139]

Battle version has the overall better fighting stance, but Modern in more certain things than Battle. The Side B option for Battle is pretty dope though. Either way, I would honestly download both version. If I only could choose 1 of the 2, it'll be Modern.

[@SwiftlyZone]

This mod rocks, seaside hill used at the start aswell (my first sonic games soundtrack) this is amazing.

[@nopage8]

SEGA would love to see this

[@Gamerbropart2]

THEN SHOW IT TO THEM

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Gamerbropart2 I think Sega is fine with Sonic's current moveset. If Sonic had this moveset in Smash, he be broken. Yes he has a simple moveset, but thats the downside of being the fastest thing alive.

[@luisleom7018]

Amo como al utilizar el "up air" (1:30) al momento de caer al suelo Sonic se da un golpe en la cabeza, es tan chistoso

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

Some thoughts: I don't like that they changed his up smash to a back flip up smash. The back flip up smash is the most common type of up smash in Ultimate, with so many other characters doing it, so I don't really get why they made his up smash LESS unique. The new down smash is cool. I don't think the old one was bad or anything, but the new one looks cooler. Modern's Nair makes the most sense. Jumping into enemies while in a ball was the main method of attack Sonic had in the classic games, so it makes sense that this would be one of his aerials, but default Ultimate's version looks weird. Again, I don't like that they changed his up air to a flip kick. It's way too common an up air among the cast, and his old one was more unique. His new Fair just looks weird...what was wrong with the old one? Modern's down air makes the most sense. Much more closely resembles the stomp, which has been present in a lot of the more recent Sonic games. New back air looks cool, but is probably less functional due to being a multi-hit and taking a long time to execute, thus making this a nerf. New side special being the boost makes sense. He doesn't need two spin dash moves, and the boost has been in a lot of modern games. While new up throw looks flashy, I like the idea of Sonic using his quills to damage opponents like he does with his old up throw, and I think the new one is TOO flashy given how up throws normally look. The new final smash is obviously an upgrade, but it would be even better if he got his Brawl final smash back.

[@goGothitaLOL]

The Flash Kick Up-Smash is……..let me count Yoshi, Kirby, Fox, Rosalina, Mii Brawler, and Min Min The Headbut Up-Smash should be more common right? (Mario, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Pichu, Wario, King K Rool OK, they’re about equal

[@TheLobsterCopter5000]

@@goGothitaLOL Sonic's old up smash isn't a headbutt though...

[@ktvx.94]

Unpopular opinion: some moves are actually better in the vanilla version. Specifically, down and back airs are better by allowing more options for descending and just taking less time so you can use it in succession. Up B's hitbox also gets in the way. I do appreciate the boost and moves like down smash.

[@WolfTrooperRex]

Brawl Sonic tops everything. You can't tell me otherwise

[@The_Ultimate_Agent]

The moveset that we actually wanted.

[@MonsterMasterFightingLucario]

Now we got a more elaborate Sonic! That’s the Sonic we know and love and more!

[@hayunyusuf6808]

I hope so, sonic is my favorite

[@Blackhairboi9103]

I’m glad that this was possible.

[@slateoffate9812]

I like bits and pieces of all three, though. Surprisingly, I think Smash has the most bits I like. I think the Standard Air should be the Insta Shield and the Up Special the Cyclone Kick from Frontiers. I think Sonic's final smash should be the Light Speed Attack from Adventure.

[@IDWSonic]

I don’t think I can ever go back to vanilla Sonic

[@OverlordSonic-d8i]

If we get a new smash bros game we need this as a moveset for my blue boy

[@LizardBoyYTP]

That dash attack go brrrrr

[@GreenBallet]

Honestly, the Modern one hits me the most. I mean, that one feels like Sakurai his team worked really hard to get Sonic ready instead of just rushing him.