Why The Until Dawn Remake Is Inferior To The Original

[@eva1585]

About the camera angles, I wanted to add that the fixed camera heavily added to the feeling of the characters being watched/stalked. A lot of them are set up as if we're the creature/"psycho killer" peeking at them from behind corners or trees and I love when horror media does that.

[@TindraSan]

yeah omg wasn't there one shot where a spider crawls across the screen?

[@Маккензи002]

Absolutely this vibe is lost in the remake

[@Jiggleslinky]

Not to mention they help guide the player to the intended path, generally if you walk against the camera you’ll be rewarded with additional clues or totems.

[@AndréCarvalho-b4k]

Not a big of fan of Until Dawn so take it for what it is: fixed camera angles absolutely work in creating an eerie atmosphere. You can see that in most classic horror games. However, the big issue here is that fixed camera angles only work with a tank control scheme which is something that, to my knowledge, the original does not have. And thus, it suffers because fixed camera angles just do not work with a regular control scheme, which makes you accidentally move your character in the wrong direction once the camera changes. The over the shoulder fixes that gameplay issue. However it loses on atmosphere. The remake should have simply added a clean, polished tank control scheme and that was it. Hell, even the original should have gotten a tank control scheme update.

[@donnybuoy]

If it isn’t broke, DON’T fix it. I’m so tired of remakes viewing every original choice as a mistake and feeling the need to “fix” them. The score, the color palette, the dynamic camera angles, the overall sound design-these were all INTENTIONAL decisions that were integral to the overall experience. Altering them alters the very identity of the game. And why? Why did we need to change the Wendigo’s screech? Why did we need to completely overhaul the iconic score? Why did we need to get rid of “O’ Death” in the title sequence, when it’s practically become the Until Dawn theme song? I was down for a little upgrade of this game, even if it wasn’t necessary, but my god, they should’ve left well enough alone.

[@SchulzEricT]

This is how I feel about Mass Effect Legendary Edition. I'm happy that so many new people were introduced to Mass Effect, one of the greatest RPGs (games) of all-time... but it's so clear that the team that made the remake didn't make the original, and thus didn't understand so many creative decisions. And they just ran roughshod over all those decisions, clumsily going "oh, this is cooler" and breaking things.

[@lpfan4491]

A good number of remasters and remakes just don't get it. The only time something should be removed is if it really does not work and you fail to find a good replacement. Otherwise, just leave it alone. Instead of using this very basic logic, they cannot leave any stone left unturned for some reason, changing stuff for the sake of "justifying the price tag".

[@justmundane]

bro I promise you I said this exact thing in the Until Dawn subreddit when the remake released and I got downvoted, called dramatic, and blinded by nostalgia because OBVIOUSLY the new shiny remake is better lol than the old outdated original (which isn't even 10 YEARS OLD!)

[@humanbean4037]

EXACTLY. Like DUDE just change the graphics MAYBE

[@ayana_0150]

@@donnybuoy I also think it’s super telling when some of the more popular games are either ones that are even older than the original Until Dawn, or games that are intentionally designed to have a more retro look. It’s not the graphics, lighting, and textures alone that make makes a game memorable. It’s the experience. Until Dawn had it right the first time around. It was memorable for so many reasons and the remake took away elements that made it a classic in the first place.

[@martianmilktvofficial]

The contrast in music is insane! The music in the original for that final sequence was so nail bitingly tense, and then in the remake it’s pretty much silent

[@blueshellhater1845]

Changing the wendigo screams is a crime. They were ear-deafening and it just added to the tension to have your eardrums destroyed.

[@that_dude_over_there]

Dude, when I heard the new scream, I was flabbergasted. How does something you fumble so hard.

[@jimvjoon3547]

I actually had to lower the volume of this video because the original screams were stressing me out so if that's not enough proof...

[@lpfan4491]

I guess that would be the reason to remove them, to make it safer on everyone's ears. And it is a conceptually baffling choice, it is like replacing the jumpscare sounds in Fnaf with someone saying "boo!"

[@blueshellhater1845]

@ But that still doesn’t explain the removal of the high pitch. If they were really concerned with people eardrums they (imo logically) would have either implemented an option to reduce scare factors (totally bs in a horror game) or just decreased the volume. I think they had the ambition to revamp the entire game when it wasn’t necessary

[@strisselstudios3932]

I was genuinely upset that the song "O Death" was stripped from the intro credits. I also feel like any of the native american details/undertones were completely ruined or removed.

[@tomboyraider1015]

Ifs absolutely criminal.

[@nicholasarmstrong8349]

Nothing speaks to Until Dawn being lightning in a bottle more than the remake failing the capture the magic of the original

[@finleymorris04]

“We want the remake to have a unique identity, so we’re gonna make everything objectively worse”

[@vinesauceobscurities]

"We want to modernize the game, by making it indistinguishable from mediocre modern games."

[@lpfan4491]

@@vinesauceobscurities Well, technically true I guess.

[@garyking1986]

Damnnn that change in music is insane. As someone who was never really a fan of Until Dawn, I never really appreciated the music since it belonged to a game I didn't really like. After having seen your comparison, I now understand how pivotal the music was at heightening the intensity of the action/horror scenes. It was bold, and the remake tries going for a subtle, almost dubstep sound which takes all of the impact out of the individual moments.

[@oxxylix504]

Well, as it is on pc, let's hope the modders will do their best job at implementing the best parts of the original into the renake

[@SquadPoopy]

It seems to me that for the remake they wanted to tone down the music, because in the original as we can hear in the comparisons, it's very in your face and bold, which was the point. The new music seems to be going for a much more subtle atmosphere which just doesn't work that well with the game.

[@No-Ink]

Speaking of Let’s Plays of this game. My favorite was SuperBestFriend’s of this game. It was their first time playing the game but with Pat’s excellent control on the game, Matt’s experience with horror movies and both of their quick thinking; they saved everyone and got the best ending on the first try. It’s a fantastic play through with great banter between the two.

[@graphicsgod]

Agreed! That was my first experience with this game and didn't pick it up till years later. Miss SBFP.. pouring one out for my homies.

[@octogonSmuggler]

My favorite was John Wolf's playthrough. He was called Harshly Critical at the time though. I've just always loved how he reacts to things in games. He gets so sassy as well at times.

[@amberhernandez]

On the other hand, CallMeKevin had easily the funniest worst-case scenario playthrough!

[@Dennogra]

You've actually put my issues with the remake into words, instead of my previous icky feelings about it. The death of O'Death was honestly the biggest thing to me. Absolutely insane decision made there :'D

[@magnusamann6806]

At least there is a mod for the intro. The rest of the music might yet receive a mod but so far I can only find ones for specific scenes (probably would be relatively complex to "fix" the music for all gameplay scenes). I'm kinda dissapointed though that the remake failed to just bring the brilliant experience of the game to pc without butchering essential elements of it...

[@naturalfitness-1]

Not even until dawn can surpass until dawn 😂 the original is great! I just disliked the cheap unnecessary jump scares

[@couchtable]

I’m not typically a fan of jump scares but in this case I feel it made sense because the point is that it’s supposed to feel like a cheesy horror movie and those are chock full of em

[@notdeadyet3680]

I wouldn’t say their unnecessary but make the experience better cause it’s a slasher movie

[@naturalfitness-1]

@notdeadyet3680 by unnecessary i meant they had too many when I felt that the atmosphere and tone was good enough that it wasn't needed. But that's just my opinion, and it didn't make me like the game any less

[@johnramos8703]

The original is rife with those its not a remake problem you’re just mis-remembering the original, my biggest dissapointement is them not removing the cheapest numpsacre in the first place

[@finleymorris04]

Notice that they stop all those jumpscares past the first few chapters. Once the game gets serious, the goofy cheap jumpscares end completely.

[@Ponderpine]

I thought this was just supposed to be a visual remake and a PC port. I don't know why they changed the soundtrack and everything else so much. Even the visual changes seem a bit off. The amount of detail muddles the visual storytelling, and makes it harder to see the characters expressions. Like the scene in the cabin at the end, I know it's supposed to be dark, but I cannot make out his face.

[@jan5912]

im so glad you brought up the music during the police interviews. the original's score is way more fitting for the scenes, why does the score in the remake sound like we're still being chased by a wendigo or something

[@billoverbeck44548]

10:20 The music that plays when Mike chases after Jessica is when the original's music is clearly so much better. The original's sound design is just so crisp and perfect.

[@plague166]

Fixed camera angles in games are mostly about presentation rather than gameplay. That doesn’t mean it has NO impact on gameplay, but still. It’s why my mind is boggled that they would take a game with little to no gameplay at all and remove the main way it was presented

[@reneehoenicke4765]

I can excuse a LOT for the remake, truly I can, but the thing that makes me the most angry is the change to Sam's character. Having her sit on the couch alone and not actively look for Hannah to prevent the prank DRASTICALLY changes her personality. The game calling her "brave" is now ironic instead of genuine. She succumbs to peer pressure and lets them do that to her BEST FRIEND and warns her only after she's been humiliated. OG Sam tried to stop it, actively went looking around the lodge for Hannah and wanted to keep her from participating. Knowing Hayden came back for the new end scene, I would have tried getting Hannah's actress back and actually have Sam try to talk Hannah out of it, ending with Hannah not believing her and going anyway. It would add to both characters, make Hannah less innocent and Sam more so. Instead, they change Sam from a good friend who got there too late to a participant by inaction. Getting the twins' actress back would also be beneficial to get more transformation scenes as Hannah (like an addition to the Events of the Past you get if you collect all the hunger totems) and more footage for Beth. I wanted to get to know Beth more, hear her opinions on people, learn about her personality. I was so sad to find that we couldn't explore her bedroom in the remake as it is the PERFECT new location to add with more collectibles. I appreciate a lot of the new visuals and I'm glad more people can play it on different platforms, but I still think the original is better.

[@Lucy-uu7bb]

They wouldn't have even needed the original twins actors, I'm sure most people would care more about getting new scenes with Hannah and Beth then wether they have the same voice

[@itschris2628]

35:30 the butterfly affect for shooting Ashley is that she isn’t waiting for Chris. If you don’t shoot her she’s really concerned for you and waits right by the door. Whereas if you shoot her she waits with the others and can’t get to the door in time. Tbh they should have just made it that nobody is there. Also I don’t even get why the door is locked

[@alicepbg2042]

there are wendigos outside. why would it not be locked?

[@itschris2628]

@ because it’s a glass door… the wendigo was literally able to snap a metal rope so it should be able to burst straight through that with ease. Plus I don’t think they know how to twist a handle

[@alicepbg2042]

@@itschris2628 still. rather have a slightly better defense than an unlocked door. they should have been barricading honestly, but locking the door is a very natural response to "danger outside"

[@itschris2628]

@@alicepbg2042 respectfully idk why you are so up tight about my suggestion of leaving the door unlocked. I’m just stating that when you think about it, it doesn’t make much sense. How did they plan the get back in anyway? Was nobody going to wait at the door? If so then they left knowing they just locked themselves out and have absolutely no way in. So either the door shouldn’t have been locked or else everyone should have waited for them by the door. Either way the way it happened doesn’t make much sense

[@alicepbg2042]

@@itschris2628 it makes a lot of sense for people scared of what is outside to lock their doors. don't know how that is somehow hard to understand.

[@nevetsrules01]

You're absolutely correct on all points. Personally the horrendous lighting and removal of the fixed camera angles in the remake are what disappointed me the most. In their quest to make the game "more realistic", they stripped away the game's cinematic qualities and visual identity. The original had a clear and distinctive visual identity that was consistent throughout the game that clearly was paying homage to horror cinema. The remake strips all this away, resulting in a game that looks wildly inconsistent, from half the scenes being too dark to even see and appreciate what's going on, to the others varying so wildly that it's hard to belive they're all from the same game. For example, the money shots of Handigo at the end if the game were just abysmal in the remake compared to the original - they removed all of the stylistic lighting from the scene in favor of realism, so you can barely even see what's going on half of the time, and even when you can the scenes still look far less detailed and impressive compared to the original. It doesn't matter how much they improve the graphical fidelity of the models and environments if they can't even be seen half the time. While modders should be able to fully restore the soundtrack and sound effects of the original game, fixing the lighting and restoring the fixed camera angles will likely prove far more difficult, assuming it's even possible at all. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. At least we'll always have the original 😅

[@ayana_0150]

Oh yeah, good to know I wasn’t the only one who felt let down with the lighting in the game. I thought it was just nostalgia influencing how much I preferred how the original looked compared to the remake.

[@heikkiheinonen6745]

I just don't understand why they need to remove these things. Instead of removing and replaceing just add them as an optional new features. That's how you make a good remake. Lets say it slowly: "Do not. Remove. Add. New"

[@seen636]

@@heikkiheinonen6745eh I think it looks better that aggressive ass blue filter always drove me crazy and in terms of things with the remake literally nothing changed. it made it look better exactly how they said it would. Die hard fans of this game love it and you’ll see the majority playing this over the OH any day. If you hate it so much delete and go back to the original no need to bitch and moan bc the OG never left

[@heikkiheinonen6745]

@seen636 Why would you be against the idea that the remake had options that you could change filters or camera angles? That would just be more options for all players.

[@codname125]

You really need to play it in HDR. I played the last wendigo scene yesterday and it looked absolutely phenomenal on a hdr1000 monitor. It easily surpasses the sequence in the original

[@hylianxbox6586]

Mike is the only character in this game I went from hating to loving. Dude became a badass

[@masterassassin791]

Fr he went from the typical douche of the group to like a mix of Nathan Drake and Leon Kennedy by the end🤣

[@nikkili8944]

Yup, he has the best character arc (redemption arc respectively).

[@dyroth]

Getting rid of jason graves ost is such a crime, he is a legendary composer

[@TheMarauderOfficial]

the over the shoulder camera is so awful jesus

[@TheDisturbingPanda]

The change to the camera has disappointed me ever since House Of Ashes. The developers kept getting criticized by newcomers about not liking the fixed camera angles, so now the devs are obsessed with "modernizing" every new game they release

[@alexthegreat398]

Not the same devs

[@TheDisturbingPanda]

@alexthegreat398 I'm sure they all think alike

[@hartleyscoat]

The remake, on one hand, also allowed people (like me) to get access to the games files on PC and find unused dialogue and conversations between characters and unused deaths and graphics. Without this remake, that all would have been lost media. But nice review either way!

[@notdeadyet3680]

Wish they kept the Chris,Sam and Jessica conversation, it would have gave Jessica some new content while also making the group of friends feel like friends, though they’re probably all just acquaintances in canon,I think some friendly interactions would help sell the fact their at least friendly with one another

[@wifflewaffle5006]

Yeah it’s a bit sad that Jessica doesn’t really get any time with characters besides fighting with Emily, flirting or fighting with Mike depending what you choose, and then if she survives the few minutes she has at the end where she relies on Matt to keep her alive Like- those are literally her only interactions I think 😂

[@Leviachan-]

@@wifflewaffle5006 I was really sad she got 0 screen time because valley girl types like that are always my favorite! Especially when the development kicks in

[@tayzers69]

girl stuff that didnt make it into the game is not lost media, by that logic every thing ever made that never saw a public release is lost media

[@shaelynmartin1996]

I recently watched someone play the Remake and all the comments were trashing the new soundtrack. As someone who never played Until Dawn (Only watched videos when it first came out, going back whenever I feel a horror itch like going back to watch a familiar horror movie when you're in the mood), I was confused. Like, I was also missing O'Death, but the comments were talking about the rest of the music in the game and not just O'Death. It sounded fine to me. But hearing it back to back as you showed... My geez, that was definitely a downgrade. It's hard to appreciate just how much the music is neutered unless you really hear it back to back (For those of us that aren't as familiar with the original's music). I figured I wasn't as creeped out when watching the remake because I was already familiar with the story. Nope. Definitely the music. As for the changes to the Wendigo screeches, it sounded like they removed the "echo-y" sound from the original to make it maybe more like an animal screech? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the characters originally confuse the wendigos for animals at first? That's the only reason I can see for them messing with the perfect monster sound. With Ashley, just... Hate that change. Her being that level of petty made her more interesting as a character. I love to hate Ashley and I'm an Emily apologist. As for the Josh ending, that's really just the best thing out of this. Josh really didn't deserve the endings he got in the original. Even if you hate Josh, his actions really just come back around to: "It was just a prank, Han!" His prank was meant to mirror the prank against Hannah. Something that was "stupid fun" mixed with a little bit of "petty revenge" against a perceived slight. The prank against Hannah unintentionally led to the deaths of Hannah and Beth, just as Josh's prank unintentionally can lead to the deaths of all his friends (Assuming Hannah wendigo wouldn't have tried picking them off one by one anyway). In Josh's mind, no one would actually get hurt, they'd just be scared. Sure, he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand that he is putting them through massive trauma, but he's viewing it like a horror movie. And horror movies are fun, ya know? Chris is his bro, so Chris would obviously love to star in his own horror movie. Pair him up with Ashley because Chris has a crush on Ashley. Make Sam the damsel in distress "final girl" because she's hot and Josh maybe has a thing for her. We don't get to see what his plans were for Emily/Matt and Mike/Jessica because everything goes wrong on their ends for reasons unrelated to Josh. Emily and Matt were SUPPOSED to come back to the lodge, but they never did, so Josh never had a chance to kidnap them. And I can see Jessica and Mike's "punishment" for the prank boiling down to being exiled to the ratty old cabin without heating other than the fireplace and not being allowed to star in Josh's super awesome gonna make 'em all famous horror movie. I might be a Josh apologist too.

[@Lifetime10154]

There was absolutely ZERO reason for them to change the soundtrack. Absolutely dumb decision. And now it feels like another generic horror movie stock soundtrack that you would hear in the average modern horror movie.

[@IdioticMichael]

instead of rescoring they shouldve gave jessica and matt there scenes. Also jessicas actress confirmed coming back to work on the remake. She came back for a few lines apparently

[@maskingtables]

FIXED. CAMERA. ANGLES. ARE. BETTER. FOR. HORROR. GAMES. Ffs how is that so difficult to understand.

[@paullossypaulplossy]

the music and sound effects change is so devastating it hurts we can’t have the new graphics AND the incredible sound design of the first game. really shows how sound is everything in horror

[@-rockmusiclover-]

My biggest problem was that they left in the pacing issues, for example, somehow Hannah made it a mile into the woods in the 30 seconds it took Beth to go after her. Or when Chris pranks Josh and Sam in the basement and Matt and Emily were apparently standing out on the porch 20 something minutes after they were supposed to leave to look for Emily's bag. That bugged me in the original and even more in the remake

[@notyourbro4936]

been waiting for a video that goes into this level of detail on remake's issues! hard agree - and on top of the points you already made re: the over-the-shoulder camera, i'd add that the og fixed camera heightened the feeling of the characters being watched. which they literally ARE - by josh, by hannah, by flamethrower guy. that sense of 'someone is watching you right now, but you don't know it' was communicated so strongly through those camera angles, and it's totally lost now.

[@TheFloodFourm]

I never played the original and was psyched for the remake until I found out the original camera angles wouldn’t even be an option. Literally Art Appreciation 101 how many things can be conveyed through a camera angle and this is a cinematic game that’s purposely light on gameplay. Halloween is over now and any motivation to play it as a new ps5 game is null but hopefully I get the motivation to play the original some day

[@FemboyKaiSaku]

the soundtrack in the remake almost feels like it takes me out of the moment. In the original its like i didnt even notice the music was there despite all the intensity it made me feel, because it just fit in so perfectly. But the remake made me acknowledge the music in a way

[@morrisonscott1139]

If they are to go through with Until Dawn 2, they should add a mechanic at the very beginning where there's a list of all the endings/outcomes from the first, you pick one you want and the second game begins from there.

[@florsch6781]

Well, when it comes to the soundtrack in particular, I remember when buying Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition for my switch, the soundtrack was entirely remastered as well, but I didn't like some tracks as much as the original, but thankfully they made it possible for you to choose between the original sound and the remastered one for every single track. In my experience, it's alswasys best to give players a choice. Btw. I think I'd actually also prefer the fixed camera in Until Dawn, simply because, like you said, the gameplay is so diffrent from Resident Evil for example, so I think this works absolutely great here.

[@ianchandler4649]

Stuff like this makes me even happier that Bloober Team understood how to remake Silent Hill 2. If that legendary game got a treatment like this, gosh I don’t know… For example, imagine if they replaced Akira Yamaoka’s indelible soundtrack with generic tracks?

[@Coleees]

Yo different kinds of vids, we love to see it. I’m glad you’re expanding your channel and able to breathe and express your interests

[@felisasininus1784]

I seem to remember being able to jog on PS4. The forced walking in the remake is fuggin infuriating.

[@jessicamessicaa]

i think what supermassive has forgotten is that until dawn was in development for so long while all their new games are rushed with so much left on the cutting room floor

[@bamban_garcia5562]

Mate the remake was handled by some of the founders of Supermassive Games with their new Ballistic Moon studio Also Until Dawn started development back in 2008 as a PlayStation 3 move project which evolved over time until its actual release

[@sorryboutdat2307]

Why can’t remakes of MASTERPIECES just be a RE-make, give it the stunning graphics and give it simple changes to the story and that’s it. The remake LOOKS way better, but the hue maks it WAY less creepy.

[@kolcheks]

thank you for mentioning them changing the og wendigo speech, that seriously pissed me off💔 WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT

[@-bluejay211]

Very well made. I agree with all of your points. I had a great time with the remake but it lacks the aura and identity that the original has I pray that we get an update (paid or not) that allows us on console to restore the original score and sounds. Would be a dream come true ⏳

[@masterassassin791]

Thank you! And Exactly, I hope I didn't come across as too harsh because I did still enjoy playing the remake and enjoyed the story additions. But it definitely felt underwhelming in terms of the atmosphere when compared to the original version. Plus O'Death is just a classic, that new opening just don't hit the same 😭

[@sweargaming666]

After literal years of being only casually interested, this video has now made me much more intent on playing the OG version.

[@lorettabes4553]

I have been waiting for a video about this. I do like the remake, but the OG feels different and I like the vibe more. The lighting, the uncanny animations, the fixed camera angles is what made UD for me. I personally am not a fan of the way characters get redesigned or 'updated' for remakes, like how faces were edited - I had the same issue with LiS though. And the skin texture. Lastly: I was watching people play the game, the blacks were so dark that I couldn't see anything in the sanitorium sections. (On a big bright screen)

[@itschris2628]

Wow! That’s so much worse. I’m so glad I only bought the old version. 50€ extra for a worse experience is insane!

[@TheDisturbingPanda]

I'm glad the dark pictures games are still composed by Jason Graves. Those games aren't amazing, but the music has always stayed consistently great in them. I was a way bigger fan of Man Of Medan than most people just because of how greatly it builded tension and suspense with it's music. To anyone who is disappointed with the Until Dawn remake, and doesn't remember Man Of Medan enough, I strongly suggest relooking at the scene when the kidnappers first show up, invading the boat. That scene was brilliant. Little Hope has an equally amazing soundtrack

[@kolcheks]

right, the music in all of them is so so good. i constantly catch myself listening to “weapons of mass destruction” from hoa, it’s so good and makes me feel like i’m in the shoot out😭

[@TheDisturbingPanda]

@kolcheks yeahh. I also love the music that played in Little Hope when you enter the bar to meet Vince for the first time

[@fadlanal-amsi9839]

im just glad they add a new ending where josh actually live

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

My theory is that Sony wanted to capitalize on the RE remake style (over the shoulder) and GoW reboots (over the shoulder) and they gave this remake project to a bunch of rookies and interns that are now working at the studio. That or the devs had like 5 months to make this. There's a crippling lack of narrative understanding and media literacy in the creative fields right now. It seems nobody understand why certain choices are made for an art piece. It's treated either like utter mystery, or the understanding is surface level. It's about iconography. Like, there are many Star Wars fans who think you can't have Star Wars without lightsabers. This leads to the devs of the remake: I think they are talented devs, but they absolutely did not understand any of the artistic choices made. They instead wanted to do "their take", but their take is a shallow misinterpretation. It's like they're trying to do things for the sake of it, rather than having some sort of a vision or a vibe.

[@bamban_garcia5562]

The "rookies and interns" devs are literally the same people that founded Supermassive Games as well as created Until Dawn...

[@gr33nriver77]

​@@bamban_garcia5562That isn't correct. Of all the developers at Ballistic Moon only 3 IN THE ENTIRE COMPANY where previously Supermassive employees. Sony tried to hardsell the new company by claiming it's the original people that made Until Dawn

[@bamban_garcia5562]

@@gr33nriver77 Those three are literally the cofounders of Supermassive Games, as well as the former production and business, creative, technology directors No idea why you downplay their importance, within the last studio they helped to build or their roles in the newer onr

[@gr33nriver77]

@@bamban_garcia5562 Business? Sure. Those are people who literally have nothing to do with the success of the original Until Dawn Creative Directors/Technology Directors/Founders? No. They all still worked at Supermassive post Until Dawn and are even in in the credits of The Dark Picture Anthology. The Main writer and director of Until Dawn worked on Man of Medan and The Devil in Me

[@gr33nriver77]

@@bamban_garcia5562 The ones in Ballistic Moon did virtually nothing when it comes to the development of Until Dawn. Regardless it doesn't matter since it's only 3 EMPLOYEES. That isn't a studio that "made" Until Dawn in any capacity

[@ludicolo378]

The music/sound change is probably the worst part of the remake for me. The original was soooo much more unsettling, creepy and flowed perfectly in every part. Just goes to show you can’t improve what’s already great!

[@sgfredbear8114]

The only thing I don't like about until dawn, is that the final act isn't as flexible. It only depend on two characters (Sam and Mike), and those two characters also can only die at the end, with one of them (Mike) even depend on the other to survive. If there's something to fix about Until Dawn is probably that, and maybe give Jess more scene to play, and then leave everything else alone.

[@gadgettop23]

My family member recently watched a lets play of Until Dawn remake and while they liked it, they were not really scared by the experience. I think with the original they also would hold a similar opinion about its jump scares, but like you pointed out, the tension in those scenes work much better and create a really unnerving atmosphere. It was still fun to hear about their opinion, but I wish they experienced the original instead because I think they would be more impacted by it.

[@graciegrace69]

I HATE how they went with the basic over the shoulder third-person pov. the camera angles in the og gave it such a unique and creepy tone compared to this

[@Rebehxa]

Regarding the sound design and soundtrack, I think you make excellent points. An important factor about the horror genre is that it's an (and apologies if this isn't the correct word for it, I've only ever heard it from Norwegian) is that it's text external, meaning that it's defined by getting a specific reaction from the audience, which in this case would be having them be scared. This, of course, makes horror such a diverse genre with a lot of sub-genres. The sound design is so important for this, because it tells you _how_ to feel about what you're seeing. In movies such as _Us_ or _Midsommar_ , there is stuff happening during daylight, and in a non-horror movie, one wouldn't bat an eye at any of the locations or what was happening. But with an eerie soundtrack, the audience starts feeling uneasy even though there's nothing visual on screen that should make you feel uneasy. In the examples you showed, the removal of the tense music truly does ruin a lot of the feeling one is supposed to have in those moments

[@JohnnyNuelo]

This feels like when Atlus made the emulator port for Persona 3 available on game pass and steam and everyone collectively hated it for being lazily pieced together with the sound quality actively being worse than the original game. Except when that happened everyone excused it, hoping a full remake was on the way. And it delivered on all fronts. Wish that this remake would have done the same

[@justmundane]

Honestly P3R has a lot of the same issues that the Until Dawn remake has and I wouldn't say it delivered on all fronts. It simplified the gameplay style from the original to make it easy and like P5, lighting in certain scenes was bad which changed the tone of important scenes (especially in the dorm) toned down a lot of artistic choices and sensitized/censored them like the shadow makoto scene or even making important scenes that were animated in FES 3d in P3R which lessened the impact. I would actually be content with all these issues if P3F was available on modern platforms so everyone is able to experience it, but it isn't and Reload is clearly trying to replace it, so it just makes it more problematic.

[@Josheasyboy]

The one scene I wish had the most improvements was the scene when Sam and Mike open the door to where Josh is at the end and the water rushes through with the heads of their friends and the flamethrower guy. The scene never changed depending on whose bodies were actually present in the scene. If you had everyone still alive then Sam and Mike would react the same way seeing the random guy they met less than an hour ago then they would seeing their friends of years decapitated and hanging from the ceiling.. If I remember correctly the remake took away Sam's initial reaction where she would move her head and eyes to look at ''all'' the heads floating out the door despite on my first playthrough having only the flamethrower guy. Its the one scene in the original they really took me out of the action and kind of spoiled the ending. It felt like it was canonical to have all the heads float out. Just a weird thing but still bugs me to this day 😂

[@reizak8966]

I didn't even notice they changed the sounds and music, I just knew it felt off. I blamed the color grading and warmer lighting, but hearing the music side-by-side I know it's that.

[@gunfrost8778]

the remake happened too soon, ff7 and the older re's make sense to me because of being on older consoles that people can't get easily with "outdated" controls and emulators can only go so far depending on how they were ported (they did not need to make ff7 3 games tho remake felt hella dragged out at times) until dawn's graphics age so well which is really hard for games that try to look realistic and I'm sorry but why am I gonna drop $75 on the shinier version when I can find the original at gamestop for $18. if it was just made to get hype for until dawn 2 then they should of just done until dawn 2, they could of still had josh be alive and make it a mystery on how he lived for players (like if he was found before he fully turned or something idk)

[@thelostandromedan81]

Jesus that punch sound had me giggling

[@Hepheat75]

Why did they even bother remaking it in the first place?

[@Icon1306]

Because Dark Pictures was going downhill and they needed to prove it's not the franchise, but the studio

[@horrorstories5687]

@@Icon1306 the remake is not made by the same developers

[@celestialstar6450]

Because a film is in the works, iirc

[@_SquishyShark_]

Money

[@watchmehope6560]

Money!

[@The_JLav]

Watching this felt like a cruel joke. I feel like the facial expressions in the ending confessionals are worse.

[@ordinaryprince9051]

5:42 There's another youtuber (jettrojettro) who recently played Until Dawn for the first time and he did a Markiplier halfway through his gameplay.

[@Icon1306]

Until Dawn was the last good experience made by supermassive After that, not even they could make Until Dawn

[@Romapolitan]

To me the remake felt a bit like the rerelease of the OG Star Wars triology, where they edited new things in. It's completely enjoyable on it's own but it's very clear it was made after the original and somehow feels specifically because they tried to improve it. Another example is the Ghost in the Shell 2.0 release. It just isn't the same and the original feels like it was made within it's own limits in mind, therefore coming up with creative solutions making it look the best, while the remake is not.

[@andrewbowler7650]

Almost everything in the story additions segment that you complimented was bad. The prank scene was like something out of Bollywood, and the fate of Josh was vital to the game's significance; the moment to save Josh through choices and actions occurred before the game began.

[@mirandatilley2486]

Another problem with the opening credits/song is that they put it after the first session with Dr. Hill, instead of after Hannah and Beth fall. Having "O Death" play while the players are processing what just happened does so much to set the tone and build hype for the rest of the game. Going from the fall to "you can't change what happened last year" kills the momentum.

[@wolfydawolf1296]

5:30 in hindsight it's obvious that the character animations were motion captures of actors but I did not know that nor thatthe characters' appearances were modeled afterthe actors and seeing a clip of the real person all of a sudden was very jarring lmao

[@scharkkk64]

My biggest gripe of the remake was the soundtack, expecially as a music person. The second i loaded up the game and found out that o' death was gone, I was heartbroken. The downgrade of the soundrack litterally hurt my soul. I may be biased since im an orchestra kid, and grew up on string instruments, but i whole heatedly believe that the og soundtrack that relied heavily on string instruments, drums, and deep horns fit insainely good with the vibe of until dawn. The new soundrack sounds like it was designed for a generic up and comming horror movie. The interrogation scene with the new music was weird since some outcomes have mike talking about how he shot Emily with the bass dropping in the background. Its just all weird and unfitting. I also want to talk about the ambiance in the begining of the game where Chris is searching for the deodorant can. In the original i felt so terrified while looking through the lodge. There were whispers and it was such an ominous vibe. The ambiance in the remake with that scene is so unscary compared to the orginal its almost laughable. I just end up forgeting im in a scarey game at all and start looking for all the clues during that time. Its not as immersive as the original. And then the sound effects! When matt had a flashack to mike and em i was litterally ctfu with how dramatic that flashback sound was compared to the actual situation. As the game kept going on, i felt more and more less immersed. Dont even get me started on how goofy that psycho punch sound effect was.

[@bless_M]

hello, i agree with your comment on the new soundtrack being poorer, but i believe there may have been some licensing issues with reclaiming some songs from a game that’s almost 10 years old

[@smcdonough1427]

Sony just cant help themselves when it comes to their boring over the shoulder camera in games. Gotta force it into everything, even when its a detriment to the game. Im not surprised though. Overall, modern game devs are far less talented than they were a decade ago

[@Crysoft2]

The loss off fixed camera angles looks like cost cutting to me. As it is a lot of work to find the right angle in every "scene". Same goes for the soundtrack the comparisons you showed make the remake seem less dynamic (using less instruments). The missing sound effects also make it feel rushed. That is just my two cents

[@gr33nriver77]

Ballistic Moon/Sony 100% remade this because of, in the eyes of the pulblic Until Dawn will always be Supermassives. For a Playstation exclusive, no one really says it's a sony product but rather a game made by Supermassive only funded by Sony (which is objectively true) Sony/Ballistic Moon: Removed all of Supermassive's music, removed tons of different interactions, redid mostly of all the dialogue, and completely shifted the entire aesthetic of the game into their *own*. With the nail in the coffin being them removing ALL of Supermassive's credit from the original game (which is something every remake is being called out for now recently) They wanted it to be a "Sony" game not a "Supermassive" game anymore, and they failed extremely hard

[@jhit2026]

Nice to see you branch out. Nice to hear about other games you have a passion about

[@moritakaishida7963]

Im also sick of remakes, and ive been disappointed that so many games this generation have been remakes ...HOWEVER, and this js not me defending corpos, besides tje obvious reason (money) i think from a developer standpoint, remakes tend to take less time to make currently compared to regular games at the moment, i don't know how long this remake took, but the last of us remake took about one year to make, and part 2 took 7 years ro make, i think a part of the problem is modern games extremely long development times and crunch, whereas when you remake a game you're essentially copying someome elses or even your own older work and just redoing it for modern hardware, you're not starting from scratch like you are with development for a new game, therefore it takes less time to make. Im not defending the onslaught of remakes lately but i do think there's a more labour related reason to them besides just "haha money im going to make these gamers buy this game TWICE AHAHAHAHAHA"! even though that is the point on the business side of things

[@thechugg4372]

Another thing you have to take into account with remakes is that they almost always dumb them down so it takes EVEN LESS TIME to make. For example the fixed camera angles in Until Dawn, it's a PAIN making good fixed camera angles, it takes a lot of time and artistry. Slapping an over the shoulder camera is wayyyy easier and faster to optimize dev time.

[@full-timeanimeman4341]

The only thing ill give the new one props for, is that josh survives

[@lalitendudas9401]

Very interesting video. Watching it rn and the production quality feels so high, really entertaining. This might not cater to your audience but to me this comparison in particular is very interesting. All the best, but please keep making new stuff on games that peaks your interest

[@Zer0ducksgiven]

The soundtrack change is brutal honestly, it's only when its stripped away you notice just how good it really was

[@Novaj23]

Yo master I would love to see a video ranking the main assassin robes.

[@joakimberg7897]

I don´t think he will make any more assassin´s creed videos for a while, atleast when writing this.

[@balraj8288]

He did a collab with another person on ac outfits ranking I think

[@Novaj23]

@@balraj8288 no that was the hidden one

[@ChazDragoon]

EDIT: By the way... when the development team says something on the lines of: "We did this to get the remake it's own identity"... the translation to that is: "We hated the original and are changing it, cause F You." Alternatively, it could also be (if using a new engine, which they are): "We have no clue how to do the stuff we did in this engine architecture so we had to do workarounds/changes" I feel this is either a Mix of the two or the former. ================== Yet another example that "Remakes" and "Remasters" are more "Demakes" and "Demasters"... half-effprt, creatively bankrupt cash grabs because nothing new they make is good or they can't make anything new to begin with (or both). This industry is such a clown show...you can tell people who don't love video games run it at this stage.

[@soupsake2750]

I can not call myself a die-hard Until Dawn fan, so you could probably brush my opinion aside, but I kinda loved the remake. Since I haven't had a PS4 back in 2014, I was limited to KZbin playthroughs, and I liked the game and the plot. After that I kinda forgot about the game (except the O Death song, that has been added to the playlist ever since) and just yesterday played it on PC. I didn't even know it was a remake until I noticed new things in prologue. I think the remake is good at returning you to the same plot you distantly remember, it just felt really natural, like I was playing that same game that had been released back in 2014. Maybe in some sort of direct comparison, remake has several downslides, but I still admire the work that had been done. Fixed camera is good, but feels outdated. Evening setting for first chapter is a better choice imo. The only unforgivable crime is removing O Death ofc.

[@TheHalloweenSpirit]

Sadly you are so right about this, the Remake don't make nothing better than the original Until Dawn did, and still is (for me) the best Supermassive Games title to this day. Love the original game and his homage to the horror cinema and the classic survival horror games. 💜

[@user-1zUm1]

This is a new chapter! Keep going and good luck ❤

[@Milkyway115]

11:48 no way they butchered the final scene

[@CédricGeurts]

Happy to see you are taking breaks from AC 😄

[@chimpmasterflex]

17:39 been fighting the flu for a week, but damn this cracked me up so much lol. Funniest thing I've seen in a bit.

[@gemto4378]

The intro of the remake where they added an extra scene feels so weird. They reused some lines from hannah and beth in other periods of that scene wich do not add up. Also there are too much awkward silences in that intro.

[@Comicbroe405]

I feel like calling it a remake just didn't make sense.

[@andrecunha4701]

Could have been a "director's cut" would be a nice pun too

[@Comicbroe405]

@andrecunha4701 True

[@ripewatermelonlol]

the thing is they didnt call it a remake, the media did. I feel like this feels more like a deluxe remaster more than anything. I still enjoy it however, mostly cuz i was able to get it on pc now and pirated it for free, so i really cant complain, but ill finally legitimately purchase it when it goes on sale to get all achievements and platinum it again like i did with teh og on ps4. Personally i was happy, but It does suck a bit for those that paid full price.

[@Comicbroe405]

@@ripewatermelonlol I like most of ur points but I'm pretty sure it says "remake" on the poster.

[@ripewatermelonlol]

@@Comicbroe405 i checked and i don’t believe they say it even once, at least on the steam versuon

[@CrashingSpyro93]

Original > Remake

[@sighbatsu]

This game reminds me of the "live or die" special feature on the Final Destination 3 DVD. Choosing who lives or dies changing what will happen to the characters. I love the original, that'll never change - I do dislike the camera angle change and much warmer lighting the remake has. This game getting a movie next year is probably part of the reason we even fot this "remake"

[@octogonSmuggler]

One game that really truly didn't need a remake.

[@siphesihlesithole6055]

its Good day indeed.....thank you for posting bro i'm here for this era😤

[@gemto4378]

I bought the original for 20 dollars for a gift for my sister. I first wanted to buy the ps5 version for her thinking it would be better and have extra scenes NOPE. Glad i did not pay 70 dollars for an inferior version.

[@RelioAC]

You always surprise me with the quality of your videos even if it is not ac focused. Keep up the great work we all cheer for you. ❤

[@noot-noot-pingu-noot-noot]

for the soundtrack change they probably lost the licencing rights for the original soundtrack which is why they have the new one, it's a real shame though because it really does ruin the suspense of most of the scenes i do like the addition of the hunger totems though, the original didn't really make it too clear that hannah was turned into the wendigo (especially if you missed the diary and josh got killed) so I'm glad that they added it along with the extended intro because it really helps get connected to the group and especially the twins

[@Маккензи002]

They shouldn’t baby sit you through the story through you should find it out yourself

[@genericname2747]

I like how they changed Ashley keeping the door closed. Made it more obvious it wasn't out of spite. But they changed the music and got rid of O Death. It's not worth buying.

[@CAWSTAGAMEING]

You’re a legend MA! You encourage me to step out of my comfort zone as well.

[@ranjanasharan4051]

this is so funny because read it as if you were calling master assassin ma like mother

[@CAWSTAGAMEING]

@@ranjanasharan4051 lol

[@christianbellanca7402]

Honestly whatever made the og until dawn so iconic the remake should have taken notes and implemented those same things because u don't fix what isn't broken

[@paer76]

As explained by The hidden object Guru in one of his latest videos on the topic the inclusion of the bag is a screw up. This back is actually luggage stolen by Josh off screen during the scene where Jessica and Emily are arguing. It sparks the beginning josh's series of pranks and allows him to get Emily and Matt off the house to set up other pranks.

[@AFoxInFlames]

Watch the extras on KZbin, save your money. The soundtrack changes alone kept me away. I still have my Ps4 copy and it plays fine on my PS5, I don't need an update on the graphics, I want to play how it was originally intended. This was just the least needed "remake" or "remaster" in my opinion. I didn't need a SH2 remake but I liked it so I'm fine they did it. Just my opinion.

[@justinsotomayor9831]

I love that you’re not only talking about Assassins Creed! i’m gonna watch you’re channel a lot more now! :)

[@NukaCola514]

This remake just shows how lazy devs have gotten. This is pretty much Gus Van Sants Psycho but for video games. Unnecessary and redundant...

[@katiesandstrom9117]

I agree with most of the points, especially the audio changes. However, I actually dislike the change they made to Ashley’s involvement in Chris’ death. I feel that giving Ashley this dark scene where the events of the evening finally make her snap made her one of the more interesting characters. Yes, it’s petty on her part, but it makes sense for her given her behaviors leading up to it. Ashley constantly fought with Chris about not wanting to venture further and how scared she was. Chris was always the moral compass leading them deeper into the hotel in search of Sam. I think in the same way that we all love Mike for the changes his character went through over the course of the evening, Ashley should have been allowed to keep the original sequence in which she kind of goes through the opposite development from Mike. She gives into her fear and turns on those around her. So much more interesting and nuanced in my opinion