Mastering Long Drives: How the Torres Method Can Transform Your Game!

[@Cad1900]

I love the illustration of throwing the stamp towards the basket. Your other videos helped me. I’m still working on nose down but when I get it right I’m easily adding 50+ feet.

[@RichardLawhorn-ms2cb]

This is so down to earth. So relatable. Thanks Tony

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Thanks, Richard. I am glad you like it. Try one of the techniques and let me know if any of them help.

[@patissanchez]

Man of all the you tubers you are the only one that helped me with throwing nose down, all I ever saw was pour the tea and that didn't do me any good. I was throwing putters 250 and everything else maybe 20 ft more. Thank You!

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Glad I could help. Thanks for watching. Share it with your friends.

[@jamesfarabaugh6669]

Love your channel and content man, thanks! I think your explanation of wrist supination is best. Last year there was a lot of chatter about "turn the key"/"flip the disc", and a lot of the form content guys were saying it's a bad cue or a band-aid that covers up other form issues. But they also addressed it as a last-second movement right as you get to the hit, like the cue is to quickly twist your wrist at the end. I always thought the intent of the cue was about form, not a snap movement; more in line with what you have said about needing the wrist to not be pronated.

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Thanks for the thought, James. I don't do the briefcase hold but I think about supinating just a bit at the hit to ensure I am not pronated. I feel like I get a cleaner release and it helps with wobble. But the briefcase hold and turning the key helps some people until they can dial it back a bit. Thanks for the comment and I hope it helps some people.

[@michaelcushman]

Another way to throw nose down is to push the disc upward, as it releases. A spinning object reacts to force applied 90 degrees later in the direction of the spin. Spin a disc on you middle finger. With the other hand, use a twig or your fingernail and press down on top, near the rim, and watch what happens. The disc tilts, not were you touch it. 90 degrees later, in the direction of the spin, the disc goes down. Same is true when pushing up on the bottom edge, it tilts up 90 degrees later in the direction of the spin. Pushing up at release, makes the BACK of the disc go up. That means the nose goes down. The advantage of this approach is your arm, wrist, and disc all remain in the same swing plane, throughout. This is more precise angling than carrying the suitcase and rolling the wrist at release. Both methods work. It is good to be able to cause nose down more than one way. When you practice putting10 to 20 times pushing up on the disc at release, you can throw a putt 15 feet high, but steep nose down. It goes up, then dives down.

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Great description. Pete Ulibarri talks about this. Thanks for the input.

[@scottw5253]

It is the upward pressure on the underside of the flight plate that is the primary contributing factor to a nose down release. I've posted this the comments of another of your videos, and I'll post it again here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6C8Y5mFp86WhpYsi=0C6swT8FsC3UHUvs and kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH2UnIyLhrdsiMUsi=W7Sm_rb3s-MUIRxT Those 2 videos by Pete Ulibarri are about 7-8 minutes each and they explain the physics involved in getting a disc to release nose down. Yes, your hand needs to get to a good release position, but that position is where your fingers can apply an upward pressure up to the very last instant. It is that last point of contact and the direction of force applied within that last instant that affects nose angle.

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Yes, Pete's videos are awesome. Thanks for the comment and providing some thought. I hope it helps others as well.

[@jymmiwynn2202]

Are you saying the goal is to release the disc with the stamp toward the target (2:16) so that the nose will lift to neutral (3:41) and continue flying neutral? I've never heard of that or seen a disc do that. Do you have any evidence that that works?

[@let_it_fly_dg]

It's really just a cue, for me I am trying to throw it as neutral as possible. Most of the time you will never get there but if you are in a pronated state at the hit, sometimes a posture issue can fix it but for some people they have to turn their wrist just a bit to get the disc to get back to neutral or even rotate a bit more. Try it in a mirror, point the disc and play around with the wrist, you will see what we are referencing and how the wrist plays into this. I feel 0 - 4 degrees nose down is the sweet spot for most line drives. I hope that helps.

[@jymmiwynn2202]

@@let_it_fly_dg By "line drive" do you mean a shot with 0° launch angel? You can't throw a flat shot like that with a negative nose angle.

[@let_it_fly_dg]

You actually can but you can't add as much down force as you could with an open shot with a higher launch angle. If you throw a flat shot with 0 launch angel but you add -0.5 degrees nose down, this would fly farther than if you launched at 0 degrees but 0.5 nose up. Nose angle will depend on your launch angle, the higher the launch the more nose down you can be. If you are throwing a hyzer flip, then you can add as much nose down as you want because the disc will flip up the flat. I hope that makes sense.

[@jymmiwynn2202]

@ 0.5 nose up at 0 launch angle will undoubtably fly farther than 0.5 nose down at 0 launch angle. Discs need air under them to stay aloft. If the nose is lower than the tail, that disc is headed to the ground once it reaches its peak height which in this case is at release. That fact won't change with hyzer/anhyzer. To clarify, you always want the nose above the tail for distance. Yes, launch angle is half the equation of nose down/up so higher launch can get you lower nose angle. nose angle = disc angle - launch angle

[@HyzerBombofJericho]

If you are in proper dynamic balance and posture, getting the nose down will usually take care of it self. When you have biomechanic optimal form that properly sequences the kinetic chain everything falls in place in its own. Makes it easier than micro managing all these things and positions.

[@michaelcushman]

I agree. Most nose up throws are caused by a swoop motion "air bounce" or throwing off balance, weight still on the back foot. However, sometimes people push downward on the plate at release. This causes the back of the disc, 90 degrees in the direction of spin rule, to go down. Back down, front up. This needs addressing at the micro level.

[@HyzerBombofJericho]

@ I think you definitely understand the real fundamental issues overall it sounds like. Given postural context, pronating ( briefcase ) from backswing to hit, supination, shouldn’t really need to be conscious thought or action, the disc wants to come out close to flat ( in relation to posture ) on its own . If we move our bodies like how they desire to move in locomotion, things become fluid and natural feeling. The arm naturally wants to unwind like that, and a lot of these brief care or turn key videos really miss the true fundamental nature of the action.

[@let_it_fly_dg]

That is a great point. But some people don't have a dynamic balance or a great posture. I was one of them. Understanding what and how the throw works helps fix this in some people. My videos provides a lot of different ways to do something but one of those ideas could put people into a good balance or a good posture which might fix their issues. Not always the case but sometimes one or two things can make an improvement. Not all throwers are athletic and they have to learn the mechanics some how. Thanks for the input and thanks for watching.

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Good point Michael. Some people don't know they are pushing down on top of the flight plate at the last moment causing nose up or other affects. Thanks for the input guys, really good stuff.

[@HyzerBombofJericho]

@@let_it_fly_dg oh my bad homie, I did not mean it as a slight to you or the video or anything. I apologize, if it came across like that. It was not my intention. I think in my head I was saying something now if you address the bigger issue of posture and dynamics, that might work too. Once again, sorry for the misunderstanding. I’m actually fan of want your doing and been watching you! I’m someone that believes in always trying to learn from others overall myself . Keep it up !

[@cmlasley]

Lol . . . supernate.

[@Trousersz]

Who’s Nate, is he really that great?

[@cmlasley]

@@Trousersz He's not just great, he's super!

[@let_it_fly_dg]

Y'all are funny. He's not a plane or in the sky, he's a Dad.