MAT 49-54 Police Submachine Gun

[@ryan0U]

French army adopts a fixed stock smg Paris Police "We want a telescoping stock!" French army adopts a telescoping stocked SMG Paris Police "We want a fixed stock!"

[@gigaslave]

Never let Athos, Porthos, Aramis, and D'Artagnan argue over preferred weapons

[@mattdoull7820]

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[@zect556]

sounds like my younger siblings

[@enriquekahn9405]

It's French, obscure and has a fixed stock I'm amazed this didn't go in your Top 5 list honestly

[@d3734]

His top 5 seemed to be more about the best shooting and functioning SMG’s, not based on collectability or rarity

[@normtrooper4392]

The next video on InRange: Ian has joined the French foreign legion

[@tisFrancesfault]

At 5 years of service, and 11,000 Euro a year, I dont think he has the time nor afford such an adventure

[@Nerdslayer09527]

"Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons dot com, I'm Ian McCullum and today we're at Aubagne, France, to take a look at what living hell is like."

[@normtrooper4392]

@@tisFrancesfault I smell a new Patreon reward tier

[@snowdogs01]

Ian sings "The Boudin" for Patreon supporters....

[@MrPh30]

"Hello 'm Ian and this is Corsica outside the tourist season,but still more fun than the bad beer in Chad".

[@MrDK0010]

Ian has bargained with the French ministry of the interior.

[@Archangelm127]

They surrendered to him, then moved immediately to collaboration.

[@QUIROPTEROHOLLOW]

@@Archangelm127 Typical.

[@FirstDagger]

In the recent Q&A he states that they contacted him IIRC.

[@b.c.102]

@@FirstDagger Okay that's pretty cool!

[@riseupagainstthenwo9995]

@@Archangelm127 One random shot in the air from a drunk farmer and the whole American army would immediately retreat so I don't think so.

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

Paris police: *Replaces 7.65 French longe with 9x19mm* Ian: *Good, I'll take your entire stock*

[@AshleyPomeroy]

It's as if the French Ministry of the Interior and Ian have made a pact to see if they can raise the used prices of immediate post-war French pistols and SMGs. Just as a bet.

[@JackGirard1]

Other channels: thanks to Buds gun shop FW: French Ministry of the Interior

[@yusuk364]

Ian the the boss, the only one

[@Impreza-bj5jh]

Haha yes

[@John-un3lj]

Ministry of the Interior? Moving up in the ranks are we?

[@panzerkami2381]

If you want to get on the good side of le ministère de l’Intérieur, write a book about French firearms.

[@alostguy25]

Ian and the French Ministry of the Interior, the crossover we all wanted, but didn't think we'd get.

[@brunoratto253]

So Ian got his hands on a gun that literally doesn't exist outside ONE CITY in the entire world because it was custom made for use in THAT CITY. This is the definition of a Forgotten Weapon. Thanks Ian!

[@Resident-GunGuy]

When you're stuck in the hospital and Gun Jesus hears your prayers to post some early access videos. Blessed be Gun Jesus.

[@SuperUltraNinja1]

get better soon, matey

[@whoaitstiger]

This commend says it was posted one month ago. That's rather odd.🤔

[@SuperUltraNinja1]

​@@whoaitstiger i think im losing my mind, it says that on mine too

[@Resident-GunGuy]

@@SuperUltraNinja1 thanks mate

[@Resident-GunGuy]

@@whoaitstiger that's one of the Patreon perks.

[@genericpersonx333]

Lengthy barrels have an application in Police use, especially in the French tradition where the Police are expected to be the first line of defense against actual rebellion in the streets of Paris: a longer barrel makes it safer and easier to fire over a wall of officers with interlocked riot shields, the new common practice of the post-WW2 era.

[@KenworthW900HG]

That thing would make a good base for a Star Wars blaster with the mag folded up

[@jasonsilkowski7282]

Solid metal grips sounds reay, really cold if you have to shoot without gloves in the winter.

[@alltat]

If it's winter and you're not wearing gloves that you can shoot with, you're going to have a miserable time either way.

[@tisFrancesfault]

tbf, If you have to shoot it, you have bigger things to worry about than cold hand.

[@leterrierdinari2861]

tisFrancesfault Indeed, if a policeman needs to use his weapon that means there are way bigger problems at the moment than having cold fingers.

[@thesturm8686]

I guess the barrel also works as hand warmers

[@kennyt930]

I'm surprised this guy hasn't been drafted by Netflix yet. I like these videos, but I would love to see an hour long documentary with his narration.

[@leoschorberschofskie4628]

Paris Police: this mat 38 is way to large, we will make it smaller. Let's remove this stupid wooden stock and chop down the barrel. *mat 49 get's developed, literally including most of the changes they applied on the mat 38* Paris Police: Well now we don't want it no more. *Mat 38 wooden stock get's put back on*

[@fien111]

Considering they seemed to purposely avoid the MP5 in their subsequent adoptions, is France just an entire nation of contrarians? "Here's exactly what you asked for!" "HMPH.....typical patronizing gun designers! GET THAT OUT OF MY SIGHT!......and where is the rifle grenade adapter?!"

[@Night4fingers]

Of note : The Gendarmerie does NOT have the same guns. Right now they have MP5s as opposed to the UMP 9s used by the Police.

[@MortisObscura]

Most sections of Gendarmerie do actually have them, they just aren't widespread as of yet as they were just adopted last year. If we are talking about Groupe d'intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale, the standard issue SMGs are mp5, mp7 and p90 but they can generally request any firearm they want.

[@BFOP15]

Gendarmerie is divided on two branches. Gendarmerie Mobile ( anti riot) who uses Hk MP5. Gendarmerie départementale who is using Hk UMP. Hk UMP was chosen to replace Beretta m12 SD in the Police after the terrorist attacks of 2015.

[@Zretgul_timerunner]

Cause ofc they do not have the same smg anything else whould be unfrench

[@charro7037]

That’s right

[@DrEisenhower]

That looks like the assault rifles I drew in my schoolbooks when I was 12.

[@nickirmen6671]

0:12 Ian loves french guns so much he was about to say MAS

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

I love the pivoting magazine well design, someone needs to adopt this for "truck guns", might also work for horse rifle scabards to allow semi-auto firepower from a box mag that could compete with tube fed guns

[@5anjuro]

French police are strange people. If the gun has a fixed stock, they want it folding. If the gun has a folding stock, they wanted it fixed.

[@DC2022]

[insert name of a police/military unit] are strange people. If the gun has a fixed stock, they want it folding. If the gun has a folding stock, they wanted it fixed. fixed

[@KTo288]

Maybe they do it as a way to visually demonstrate to the populace that it's a civilian policeman in front of you, not a soldier. I'm not sure about France in particular but in most Western countries there is a strong distaste for armed soldiers patrolling streets, standing on street corners, in front of train stations and government offices etc.

[@DC2022]

@@KTo288 in France, we like -very much- our soldiers, even the ones who patrol in the street. We know they're here to reassure ppl, not to make war. It's a reminder that some bunch of assholes want to kill innoncent ppl for some stupid shit but not the fault of our guys and gals. On the other hand french don't like their police and the dislike is becoming hate lately. About the guns B1 saw, it could be replica you wouldn't see a difference. For example, most of the FAMAS you can see during July 14 are fake ones. Those are empty frames or replicas. And about state, imagine some guns are older than the guys who use them. Obsolescence is being treated but there still plenty of old shit. Especially pump action guns. If you see intervention units, they're well equiped, not only special units like RAID or GIGN.

[@alcoles9660]

sacre bleu!

[@pericleagliateniesilettera6159]

@@KTo288 in Italy too people like to see sodiers patrolling train stations and subway. I never heard bad words about the soldiers.

[@matthayward7889]

Such a cool looking gun, folded, and unfolded Love it with that wooden stock!

[@Poopooslinger]

Yup that's what I was telling myself, it has a nice a look. I like the long barrel one the most.

[@generic_tylenol]

I honestly love it with the wire stock too, just such a bulky bulldog profile. Kind of cartoony, looks like it came out of team fortress 2.

[@matthayward7889]

Antillicus whenever I see the wire stock version, I think of a scene from the extended version of “apocalypse now” where a French plantation guard (I think!) has one. Great looking gun in either case!

[@Luca-wn8tz]

typical gun review channel: thanks to my friend for lending me his gun BEAR GOD: Thanks to the FRENCH MINISTRY of the interior

[@wileyjackson5124]

Vietnam is full of old modified Mat 49s. I love going though the museums and trying to spot the mods.

[@thelemon0001]

The French: "Longer barrel is better." The Italians: *Coughs in Carcano*

[@andik.4235]

Cudos to the french ministry of interior to let Ian have a look at their collection. But this semi auto trigger conversion... the full auto part seem a bit akward in activating and in reach. Never mind, french police man seems to have a long trigger finger.

[@Lowlandlord]

Keep in mind the age, it predates most of our modern ergonomic considerations when it comes to fire selector switches.

[@andik.4235]

@@Lowlandlord Well, I saw a Sturmgewehr 44 in full auto with a simple trigger as I know and prefer it. And it came out a bit before the MAT 49. Somebody somewhere thought about ergonomics before the dudes at MAT did.

[@LemmyKBrinkwood]

@@andik.4235 the whole design is about a certain reluctance to shoot at civilians with full auto. like, if you go down that road, you better be damn sure that's what you want. at least that's my interpretation of that.

[@johnjhp4482]

This one is really interesting. I would love one😁 in the collection. Probably not gunna happen but yet another cool weapon we would probably never see without Ian. Great stuff.

[@incarnadinelifestyle]

Brother, I find these videos soothing. I appreciate them very much!

[@Karza_357]

I bet it's fun trying to get a "one accurate shot" with a open bolt gun.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Karza As fun as trying to get fast shots with that peep sight?

[@blueband8114]

I went to Paris in 1979 with my school, the Police there were carrying the wire stock version, though its a long time ago, im sure in my head that is what they had. I do not remember the wooden stock being on them. Though a lot of water has flowed under the bridge and firearms viewing has passed me by since.

[@boggels8013]

This would make such a cool Star Wars gun. Edit: I know I said this on another video but they both would look epic.

[@nihluxler1890]

Agreed

[@titiparisien7485]

I remember seeing cops in Paris with that model in my youth ...

[@jenkinsonian]

I would love to have seen Ian’s reaction to the email “I am a long time fan and work for the Paris police. Next time you are in the country you can have a look at our armoury and see if you want to do a video on anything.”

[@Lowlandlord]

From what he described in a Q&A it is more like there is someone in the government, presumably under the Minister of the Interior, who has a lot of people under him. This is the Ministry of the Interior, not the police, Wikipedia compares them to a mix of the Attorney General and the Secretary of State, although my understanding is that it also has a number of functions similar to an American state's Secretary of State (not the federal one). Police are technically in there too.

[@flo__60]

ok so Ian has a another vacation home somewhere here in France called the ministry of interior!!

[@farouka9152]

The algerian police also used the mat 49 (the military version) up until the 90s then it was replaced with beretta's and mp5's

[@tomt810]

"Heavy is good... heavy is reliable"

[@robboss1839]

That double trigger is interesting AF

[@henryrodgers7386]

Those two, side by side... magical. I've found my new background...

[@jfbft5007]

I am 63 years old and I am retired LE, I saw this machine gun only once, in Paris, in the 80s, I never saw it again after, We, in the French gendarmerie, used the Mat 49 "classic". The model presented here was very very rare, and it seems to me that only the PP, Parisian police, used it, but I’m not sure about that... then, the French police used the beretta machine gun...

[@practicalshooter6517]

Growing up in Paris (60's and 70's), I don't remember having seen any "policier" with one of those, but my knowledge of guns was very limited back then.

[@Lowlandlord]

It's less the type of gun they would walk around with and more something to keep in the car incase there is a problem. Modern American police have a shotgun in their car, pretty much all the time, Europeans went with SMGs, which fulfill pretty similar roles in urban settings. Karl or Ian described a shotgun once as an SMG that shoots all the bullets at once out of one shell.

[@practicalshooter6517]

@@Lowlandlord Their was a slight difference between the French police back then and the American police of the same period. French police didn't patrolled on cars, but were just walking everywhere, some were lucky enough to be issue bicycles. So all they had for defense was carried along. Usually a small handgun, a baton and a whistle. Only recently, 90's, they started patrolling in cars.

[@Gordonseries385]

I am glad that Inspector Clouseau walked around with a stick!

[@MagicJimbo34]

Thank’s mate, thank you very much for sharing the weapons of my country on video. maybe a video in the future on a revolver very known in the gendarmerie the Mahnurin MR73. ( Staff Sergeant from Gendarmerie 👮‍♂️😉)

[@wawagabriel]

This one ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmLddoh9mNBrhKc

[@MagicJimbo34]

Walter Gabriel oh yes !! Thank’s

[@Lowlandlord]

@@wawagabriel Yeah, that's the one. LifeSizePotato has a bunch of stuff on revolvers and that one specifically as well, he has rated it as his favourite revolver and he is just a big revolver nerd. Beat the Korth even.

[@VashGames]

When a French cop spots someone strolling across the plaza with a cup of milk coffee in hand. It's past noon and they're going for a sip.

[@hyeguyswiss9393]

If only there was a book that explained all of the subtle differences from throughout the production life.......

[@randomnepali7772]

When the Danuvia 43M and a MAT-49 get it on.

[@gunner678]

Smart weapon, very chique! Great weapon to fire.

[@Wetcorps]

The one good thing our current ministry of interior did was letting you film these videos :)

[@TheRogueWolf]

I'm not a huge fan of double-trigger systems, but given the rationale for this one, I'd say the little flip-up guard is a simple yet inspired bit of work.

[@florentleider222]

the barrel is fixed in the barrel thanks to a rolled pin and the trunion is fixed by welding points. I got a demil one and when I sawed off the trunion it comes out that 2 out of the 4 the welding points were "dead". Poor QC at the MAT !!

[@Tesserae]

I don't remember any of the police in _The Day of the Jackal_ (1974) carrying the wood-stocked MATs. As far as I can remember they all carried the collapsing stock ones (edited: or the Beretta SMGs). I look forward to your tracking down and reviewing the Jackal's sniper rifle. I definitely need to re-watch it.

[@eliane2743]

For general information: the CRS and the Gendarmerie Mobile evoked here as users are two units of riot police.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@MrWarwick15]

Cool! Thank you Ian. Rich.

[@RichardCranium321]

Mat49 is my favorite French small arm. 68-72 VC were quite fond bc they ran well + didn't snag.

[@nicknumber1512]

There's something about the full-auto trigger on this, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

[@slick3129]

I saw one article years ago comparing muzzle velocity of pistol cartridges in 16 inch barrels; they stated that a standard velocity 9mm actually lost a bit over a 5 inch barrel. I seriously doubt this would be an issue for 9mm+P.

[@ProbablyTooLoud]

Love the mag folder !

[@Matt-md5yt]

I love this version of the MAT, glad it's a thing. the gun it's self in this form reminds me of a TommyGun but French

[@dariugrinov9472]

This gun looks like someone put together every gun from the 50s

[@shawnr771]

What situations were the French police facing in the 1950's that would require them to have sn SMG?

[@jacadi123]

facing gangsters (armed robberies was a big thing back then with a high number of ww2 guns in cicilian hands), and the algerian war was imported in paris, where policemen were targeted by the FLN.

[@shawnr771]

@@jacadi123 Thanks.

[@jacadi123]

@@paulfrantizek102 why making use of smgs when you can just throw 200 protesters in a river?

[@PobortzaPl]

@@paulfrantizek102 Liberal use of force or as one Polish writer on exile in Paris put it: One doesn't one what being beaten means until one was beaten by French policeman.

[@SlavicCelery]

SMG's are easier to use effectively than handguns. Also, considering most criminals use/used handguns, you've got a heck of a force multiplier. Sort of like US cops riding around with a shotgun.

[@borisgroenewegen3545]

I was in Paris about three years ago, and indeed a lot of policemen carried beretta m12's. Als a lot of regular army with Famas, but I don't remember any UMP's.

[@DC2022]

Police armories are still full of old craps (not crap by being bad guns, but old and not well maintained) so not surprised

[@borisgroenewegen3545]

They looked functional enought to me. :-)

[@dwightehowell8179]

They gave the gun a fixed and longer stock to help the user shoot better. The same for the barrel length. While it might have added a tad more power it definitely gave a longer sight radius which matters with iron sights. I suspect that thing had a carbine level of accuracy at 50 metres. That matters when dealing with hostage takers.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Except it is still an open bolt gun.

[@dwightehowell8179]

@@ScottKenny1978 Okay, I went back and checked. You're right. Of course that means everything else they did trying to make this thing accurate was pretty much wasted. For Police work give me an M5 any day over a gun that even in aimed semi auto fire is more or less still spray and pray because when the bolt slams home the shooters aim is going to be knocked off point of aim. Much bad juju that. If it fires from a closed bolt it is good for police work on semi-auto. If it is inaccurate for any reason not what is needed when careful target selection is required.

[@chrisfyfe4047]

Nice little Carbine !

[@craigwan1]

I think this was in the film Mesrine, I always wondered what it was

[@RonnieJamesDeodorant]

finally figured it out but I was able to finally whitelist your channel from my adblock. I feel like a boomer writing this but it has been bugging me for a while and somehow I messed up the other two times I tried. Loved the channel since 2017.

[@loyp4328]

These MAT are brilliant

[@lesterdiamond6190]

anyone watching this who has not seen the film "The Battle of Algiers" should check it out. The MAT 49 is in many scenes. A very good film, highly regarded by film arts professors and historians alike.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

It's interesting to note that its director, Gillo Pontecorvo (brother of the famed nuclear physicist Bruno Pontecorvo and of the famed geneticist Guido Pontecorvo. What a family) directed a total of five movies in his career (plus several documentaries). All of them higly regarded.

[@williamjanak2013]

Was Paris the ONLY city that used this SMG, or was it just the first city that got it and the name stuck? Thank you for your work on these videos.

[@neues3691]

That thing certainly looks cool.

[@edwhatshisname3562]

Longer barrel: makes it shoot farther, makes it hit harder, makes it more accurate over all... or so I've been told. Besides.. everyone knows the ladies like longer barrels.

[@Lowlandlord]

Ian can actually do the math to figure out how it does those things in general, which as I understand it is from the increased pressure as the pressure doesn't get fully released until the bullet leaves the barrel. The pressure acts on the bullet longer put more simply. But there are diminishing returns, there is a point where increasing the length will not do much, and more importantly, where it will be doing than you need it to do. Reason we stopped using things like .30-06, .303 and 7.56mm was that it does more than a soldier needs, soldiers don't need to shoot an enemy at 600m, average shot is within 200m. Anyways, Ian and Karl have done some cool stuff with that on InRange. They tested a short barreled .308 monstrosity to compare energy loss at whatever ridiculous size it was, became comparable to a 7.62mm x 39mm as I recall. Should check it out.

[@stocco4483]

fusion of mat 49 and mas 38

[@billsummy2412]

I always liked the Mat 49 :-)

[@SilphytheBlack]

question for the wonderful people of this channel. I'm trying to find one of Ian's older videos, but can't remember the gun itself. I remember Ian describing it as "Not so much designed for the military, this was something you'd give police or bank guards who might need a high volume of fire, but not a full sized machine gun." I only remember it also was in the WWII era. If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

[@Taolan8472]

If you search on his actual website, forgottenweapons.com, you might find the article he wrote up on that gun as they often mirror the major talking points from his videos.

[@Misericorde9]

SilphytheBlack : American 180?

[@SilphytheBlack]

@@Taolan8472 I'll take a look. Thanks for the idea.

[@SilphytheBlack]

@@Misericorde9 No, I remember it being a rifle pattern, not SMG. But thanks.

[@salvadorsempere1701]

Reising Model 60 - A Wartime Semiauto Carbine May be this one?

[@mikeblair2594]

I know that it's rare to hear about a subgun, but that is an attractive piece of hardware. Since the invention of the firearm, the French have always been at the forefront of firearms design and development. This piece is no different.

[@markfergerson2145]

The grips formed into that folding mag well obviously mean it's intended to be used as a front grip which is bad juju with pretty much any gun with a front-end magazine. Still, I'm sure I've seen something similar on another gun but just can't bring it to mind. Probably also French.

[@andreasmarsteintrdet2168]

I love it, its my favorite thing on the whole world now

[@alswann2702]

Good thing Inspector Clouseau never got ahold of one!

[@joshjennings566]

Another awesome review gun Jesus .to me it looks like a mac and the Tommy gun had a baby so the 54 was born.

[@gonshocks]

With the safety out of the way does the single fire trigger still operate?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yes.

[@martkbanjoboy8853]

'Collapsing" wire stock. Now we know the reason for the police model (jokes 😊). I like the looks of the police model. It reminds me of a 'baby' Browning 1919A6. It makes the gun have a 'gros' psychological impact on people in the street who would have seen it carried.

[@mostlyguesses8385]

For police MAT 49 in France does longer barrel make 9mm gentle on the ears?

That stock looks to be attached at an extreme angle. It would seem it would lie very low, even below the shoulder. I wonder how it handles?

[@yutuniopati]

Hey Ian, did you had the opportunity of playing Post Scriptum Plan Jaune ? It was released less than 1 month back and has a lot of WW2 french weapons/equipments.

[@markvarley4557]

Curious to know, does opening the gate affect the semi-auto trigger? Or could it be left open and either trigger can be used at any time? I imagine their training insisted on the gate being closed until you really wanted full-auto, but is that reinforced mechanically?

[@DC2022]

you can use the semi auto trigger anytime even if the full auto security is removed.

[@BigFrakkinOgre]

Thanks

[@blamokapow137]

Great looking gun.

[@Anonymous-vu5hv]

Привет! Никогда не слышал о такой пушке! У тебя очень интересный канал! Подписался! 😊

[@johndallman2692]

The longer barrel makes me wonder if part of the theory was to make the gun more visually obvious.

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

Blessed Gun Jesus, thank you!

[@Hopeofmen]

*Ian gets to look at French submachine guns thanks to French gov't* Ian: *Heavy breathing and nervous gulps*

[@schwaulen]

Any ideas why the front sling ring is on the right side of the gun? Seems weird on a police gun.

[@goliver9991]

Daamn, the vietnameese smg from Rising storm 2 was so popular they made a real one !

[@somerandomfrenchguy8638]

Please tell me this is a joke

[@jamesdewer]

Cool! Please perform analysis in the FAMAS? There is zero info?

[@alexmoore1506]

jamesdewer pretty sure he already has videos on the FAMAS. Hell he owns one

[@jamesdewer]

@@alexmoore1506 I bet. Not 10mins after my comment I found Ian's FAMAS report. You're right. He probably does own one. I love how Ian has access to all these guns!

[@alexmoore1506]

jamesdewer yeah no probably about it lol. He’s used it for competition as well

[@ftdefiance1]

Interesting the different solutions police choose. I would be curious to know when the weapons were carried for example did every third Police officer carry it , was it kept in a armory till needed?

[@michalwilk4748]

they had them with them because of the FLN

[@jeremiegca]

It's "manufacture d'armes" not "des armes", you pronounce Tulle correctly now, bravo!

[@victorwinter9001]

Is this the gun the polices hold in the first scene of Papillon 1973 ?

[@exploatores]

I wounder how much it hurted the french national soul. when they had to recognice that a german calibre was much better then their own.

[@justinrobert2770]

So they did the opposite of the previous submachine gun.

[@oOkenzoOo]

Ah the MAT 49/54, I knew it XD Amazing that you were allowed to enter the ministère de l’intérieur ; watch out the Légion d'honneur may be close ;) Did they perhaps have some Gevarm SMG too ?

[@DC2022]

at least he would be a candidate that deserve it, unless most of the ppl who already have it.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Very interesting Submachine Gun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@juhomaki-petaja]

Oh gun Jesus, show us poor peasants the power of your mighty French gun.

[@trogdor8764]

The word you're looking for is 'peasants'. Pheasant is a kind of bird.

[@juhomaki-petaja]

Trogdor: You are absolutely right! Thanks for correcting. 👍