Math Hoffa & DJ Vlad Debate if Eminem Outshined LL Cool J on "Murdergram Deux" (Part 8)

[@Kyoz94]

LL literally sounded like he never missed a step. They meshed well.

[@houndawg]

Yea man ll went apeahit

[@chrisfrank2664]

100% ! This “who outshined who on a collaboration track” needs to stop! Appreciate 2 legends working together!

[@LadyJpraise2024unbound]

Bottomline

[@karlblackwell4819]

LL held his own.

[@shanedogg209]

they both killed that track. no matter who you think had the better verse, you probably also think the other verse isnt trash.

[@ShaunStyles-e6s]

Exactly

[@cookinwithkhalil1945]

Right!!!!

[@cookinwithkhalil1945]

Right!!!!

[@brianaldi4386]

Whoever says anyone's verse is trash don't know hip hop

[@OGPicazzothegr8]

Eminem Reigns 👑 ‼️‼️‼️💪🏽👊🏾

[@hviii7452]

They both got busy. LL took no loses.

[@Chali_M]

That's what it was. It wasn't about outshining the other, it was about making a good song.

[@TheWuCepticon1981]

He did on Flava In Ya Ear (Remix), Biggie smoked everybody in there.

[@teddyraccs7607]

I don’t think vlad racist but I notice he love downplayin the black person in every situation

[@mattstopa9436]

To be honest, I wasn't even expecting LL to keep up. I think LL did way way better than most artists do. Not to many artists did he not kill on the track

[@Dj-qi2we]

@hviii7452 your 💯 right and don’t forget Eminem is a big fan of LL Cool J and you can hear Eminem is been humble because he’s with his favourite Rapper, Eminem always wearing what LL Cool J was rocking from the hats and clothes.

[@anonymouzcodez8652]

no one cares about your opinion Vlad LL KILLED IT

[@ShaunStyles-e6s]

Of course you care...you watch every video..

[@anonymouzcodez8652]

@@ShaunStyles-e6s not every video only a select few shaun stop projecting

[@OnOneShot22]

THANK YOU🎉🎉😊

[@fredrickjohnson9473]

​@ShaunStyles-e6s that means you care make no sense

[@Southpawer]

Agree with you in the first part. Don't agree in the second

[@GrimspecteR.]

LL Cool J did his thing and Eminem did his own. Period. They both murdered the track.

[@brianaldi4386]

Facts but people will be bias and haters still will hate

[@hoodpimp1519]

@@brianaldi4386stop using the word « hater » for every opinion its corny

[@LadyJpraise2024unbound]

Exactly 💯 💯 💯

[@ChiraqMaybach-ii9wm]

YEAH vlad trippin, LL Cool J torched that track

[@deesee2051]

I’ve never really heard anyone ask Vlad his opinion on music

[@joojoobaw]

Click on the video description under the title, it’s pretty much all about Vlad 😂 the actual guest is barely mentioned at all “Vlad didn't hold back, asserting that Eminem, who has consistently honed his craft, emerged more skillfully in the track compared to LL, who has taken a hiatus from rapping. Vlad praised LL Cool J as a defining legend in hip-hop, emphasizing his pivotal role at Def Jam and his prowess in lyrical battles. However, Vlad felt that LL sounded rusty, attempting to match Eminem's intricate style but failing due to his absence from the rap scene”

[@LadyJpraise2024unbound]

Exactly 💯

[@bigjayjay7589]

Vlad is a joker. LL killed it. PERIOD

[@christopherwilson6045]

LL Did This Style On "Walking With A Panther" When Eminem Was Studying LL's Style...

[@brokell2001]

You are exactly right ✅️

[@christopherwilson6045]

@@brokell2001 "Why Do You Think They Call It Dope" "Nitro" And "It Gets No Rougher" Along With "Droppin' Em" LL Ripped The Hell Out Of Those Tracks... Vlad Needs To Do His Research....

[@GHOST91141]

🎯💯

[@smashball]

💯💯💯

[@MrCbwTV]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@kenfoke08]

I'm so glad vlad said this. It's funny when he embarrasses himself

[@joojoobaw]

Look at the video description under the title 😂 it’s all like “Vlad says this, Vlad said that, Vlad thinks this, Vlad thinks that… oh yeah and Math Hoffa here too”

[@RakimIrion]

@@joojoobawwhy are you always here

[@joojoobaw]

@@RakimIrion Because I have 90 minutes to kill in between jobs. Why you always following me to even know that I’m “always” here? 😂 that just means you “always” here too

[@RakimIrion]

@@joojoobaw na I always see your comment if I look in the comments for laugh you need pussy dawg

[@RakimIrion]

@@joojoobaw you mean you have all the day

[@alexisdigital]

LL = 🐐 Point blank period.

[@Rise_and_Hustle]

Man, Vlad just straight up said “F-it, I’m just gonna say Eminem murdered every black rapper”.. and tricked this fool into changing his own mind.

[@Bodie275]

Wtf in no way you should get the impression that LL was rusty. LL was amazing. Track was fire.

[@Patamiaid]

2 greats but ll killed it

[@aceofspade4258]

LL got him on that joint

[@mikewootson2085]

yeah rarely em gets outshined but LL spazzed on that

[@user-fx8nb3cl8u]

He had to tho 😂js I mean he is a real lyricist just like em

[@deeray4637]

Even If he didn't, a lot of people will say he did because they don't fw Em, let's keep it 💯

[@BB-te3nx]

Your right. I wasn’t expecting L still have it but he does.

[@user-fx8nb3cl8u]

@@deeray4637 facts but js em does kill mfs on they own shit js 💯 but ll did what he was supposed to do 🙏 that was a epic back and forth on a song

[@styleemusic]

Vlad is the kind that wants to be the only white guy in the room

[@brendanmoul5913]

No question.

[@jonrobbin170]

He got "wanna be down" syndrome on par with B Rad Gluckman

[@kbakes420]

I am a self admitted Stan, but when I heard this track, first thought was Damn, first time I heard Em get outshined on a track. Everyone I know, who are mostly all Stans too agree LL had the better verses on this track. This is the first time I heard anyone say LLs verses were lackluster. Em definitely held his own but LL showed why hes in many peoples top lists.

[@BlackMatrix-pl4fe]

Nah LL sucked

[@kbakes420]

@BlackMatrix-pl4fe I think most hip hop heads would disagree with you. But maybe the mumble rap fans might agree with you.

[@BlackMatrix-pl4fe]

@@kbakes420 Cool story bro. Most hip hop heads still listen to Em more than LL. Try again 🤡

[@kbakes420]

@@BlackMatrix-pl4fe I didn't hate on Em, said I'm a Stan. But I give credit where credit is dude. LL snapped on that track. Saying otherwise just makes you sound like a hater.

[@masonridgewell8063]

@@kbakes420 A realistic Stan debating a delusional one. Maybe you see now why we get tired of many Em stans. I respect you for admitting because dudes like him will always be in denial. I don't even think they are real rap fans.

[@Chali_M]

Vlad tripping. L has never had Em cadences and flows and didn't try to have it on the song. Agree with Math wholeheartedly on this one. What was Vlad even looking for?

[@Leo6933]

He was looking for a black man to put down another…he was looking for drama

[@jayb6170]

When Vlad start off with giving someone a lot of props you know some BS is coming after

[@rolio9775]

I swear I was thinking the exact same thing ...the more the props the more BS he about to spit...

[@Prefessorx79]

I just heard LL freestyle on sway, and it blew my mind! LL is the 🐐 hands down

[@leftymhp]

nope

[@kriminalxrr]

They both killed it, straight 🔥🔥 from both of them. Hopefully we get another track from them in the future.

[@TheBulletzgottishow20]

LL bodied Eminem on murdergram deux stop it

[@jeffsimpson9183]

He done good to be an old rapper and ll one of my favorites but em got him

[@NBAP08]

Wrong

[@jemacus2256]

You don't understand lyrics and rhyme structure Eminem bodied if anything 😂😂

[@ShaunStyles-e6s]

Bodied Em? Hahaha

[@STREETMEDIATV215]

@@jemacus2256 YEAH USING ONE OF LL MANY STYLES

[@ms.parker3442]

MM looks up to LLCOOLJ FOR REAL 🔥🔥

[@ojchamp2965]

This is exactly why VLAD is always getting into it with People🤦🏾‍♂️ And doesn’t get Big Interviews

[@alexanderhowcroft8779]

His Cassidy impression was spot on 😂

[@CinematicTactics]

when y'all are done watching this video, check out LL Cool J - Shut 'Em Down

[@khalilarashid]

Exactly

[@olschoolTonyCarter]

Facts, LL rapped fast as hell on that joint.

[@misslucky5474]

Heck no, Em did not outshine LL! Granted, Em does have a crazy flow. With that said, L is on top of his game. He sounded fresh, vibrant, and his flow is killin' it. Moreover, LL comes with a package deal...lyrical delivery, swag, and an upbeat vibe...this is what L brings. LL made the song and the video entertaining and exciting! I was so proud of him. 🥰🥰

[@videorangers3962]

Idk what vlads talking about . I thought LL sounded just fine

[@livefree1030]

"2 Legends on a track, its a win" Exactly.

[@godwinsovereverything382]

I 100% disagree with Vlad. LL murdered that record and both their styles complemented each other well 💯

[@jaye5926]

nah vlad u-r WRONG : LL held his own seriously..

[@karbala2912]

What is DJ Vlad talking about? LL went hard on that song. In my opinion, he even outrapped Em on that track.

[@grittyboi2564]

LL smoked em and I'm surprised but he did 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@cuzzymuscle1238]

😭😭😭

[@tthotty8679]

You crazy as hell if you believe that bra. LL had a nice verse but nowhere near em verse.

[@brandonleblanc1287]

Wouldn't say smoked. I thought honestly equally they both killed it.

[@grittyboi2564]

@brandonleblanc1287 I heard way better em verses and way less better ll verses and listen to em last verse it was so many f bombs it made it sound wack asf to me 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Chali_M]

@@grittyboi2564 when you said Em's last verse sounded wack to you was all I needed to know, you don't know hip hop

[@Marc-pu1wm]

Em is my favorite rapper. I think Em outshines almost everybody he raps with, with a few exceptions here and there. I think LL did awesome on that track with Em. LL killed it. I don't think either of them killed the other, I think they both complimented each other on that track. It was nice!

[@hmosesmamulu6491]

Thank you. I see it the same. They completely complimented each other on that record. Nothing felt out of place

[@kksomethingtothinkabout9425]

LL Cool J and Eminem complimented each other very thoroughly. I, one million percent, agree that they both stood strong and nobody outshined the next person. Plus, the song is fire.

[@dilleon]

LL was the superior MC on that song!

[@superstarjay2371]

Vlad is the kind of person that wants to be the only cool white guy in the room!! Em & L surprised me especially when I'm a Jay-Z fan!! The song is dope for hip hop!!

[@janthony2390]

Look at Hoffa facial expression at 1:19 when Vlad said you saw what LL did to Canibus.

[@Hunch07]

You should see mine reading your comment!😂 That’s the ONLY thing Glad got right.

[@Brodiejessie1470]

LL is dam near 60 years old. And this lame Vlad is comparing the two on a song.. Vlad is becoming more and more suspect in his interviews.

[@Greatest203]

Wtf is vlad talking about? LL verse was better!

[@Lau_465]

Nah! Em didn't out rhyme LL LL was on 🔥 and em did his business as usual they both DID THEIR BUSINESS 💯💯💯💯

[@MrIlleism]

Vlad looking for every opportunity to put Eminem in the title and get up the views… This is a ridiculous conversation. 48 Laws of Power ≈ Never outshine the master. LL is the master.

[@apollonius153]

Em definitely performed better on tht track but LL Cool J slayed tht shyt it actually surprised me tht at he can still rap tht amazing in 2024 at like 56 or 57 years old...but imo Eminem snapped and rapped crazy like tht out of the tremendous respect,love and admiration he has for LL js...they both spazzed tf out🤷

[@kevin084life]

Huge Em fan but LL out-rapped him on that song. Em just had better wordplay (Which no one can top Em in that)

[@KP43-08]

Vlad swears his opinion matters.. thank hoffa for schooling Vlad he don’t know what he be talking about sometimes.

[@bigkev1773]

We will outshine anybody. But LL still held his own very much

[@dwaynesmith6200]

It’s weird they both rocked it they weren’t battling each other. And for Math saying he’s never heard LL flow like that means he hasn’t followed LL for his career because LL flowed fast on records before Em was out

[@Hunch07]

Thank you! I couldn’t believe he said he’s never heard LL using multiple syllables! Like LL didn’t come out in 85 as the BEST ever at that style. He’s lying.

[@olschoolTonyCarter]

​@@Hunch07Walking With a Panther album

[@Hunch07]

@@olschoolTonyCarter Way before that. Dangerous, I Need A Beat, The Original Rock The Bells, You’ll Rock, Let’s Get Ill, damn near everything. Thats HIS lane.

[@citizengoon1139]

Vlad just saying that because LL came at his boy AK for calling old school rappers BUMS 😂

[@misslucky5474]

Not only that, but LL has never done an interview with Vlad!!! There must be a reason for this, because LL goes EVERYWHERE for interviews. 😂

[@THEDOPEGAME]

Eminem is like a Breaker (dancer) It looks impressive because it is a aggressive, physical style of dance. The problem is like most Breakers, thats typically all they got. It’s when you see the guy that can Break, Wave, Animate, Tut, Strobe etc is when you realize how one note a breaker really is. SN: LL came strong in that song 💪🏾

[@misslucky5474]

😂😂🤣🤣

[@lilweezyanna6858]

So true

[@kalibbalajordan6455]

Make it make sense.....

[@phillipmalvo4337]

It was an Eminem beat but LL held his own

[@terrencecooper5604]

it wasnt Q tip made that beat

[@phillipmalvo4337]

@@terrencecooper5604 I meant a beat that’s for Eminem flow

[@NateMaka]

@@phillipmalvo4337Eminem and LL COOL J made that hit a Banger. Iconic Collaboration 🔥🐐

[@mikewootson2085]

shoutout to Em being a grandpa now his daughter is pregnant.

[@johnhoward2337]

2:08 Exactly! I'm not listening to the song to hear "competition". I'm hearing the song to enjoy it. I enjoyed the h-ll out of the team up of LL Cool J and Eminem. And it was cool hearing LL rap like that, which I thought was great. And LL Cool J brings a certain panache like nobody else. I bet Eminem enjoyed every minute of it.

[@lc500yyc]

This is the wrong conversation. What we should be talking about is how two of the most seasoned in the game completely destroyed every young artist in one track. Respect your Elders

[@Hunch07]

They both deliberately downplayed the song. Neither like LL. Watch Maths podcast with Bimmy.

[@jonrobbin170]

Vlad's wrong, Em and LL both killed it and 2nd Round KO is one of the best diss tracks of all time

[@ant4613]

I know hip hop is competitive but I don't really look at songs that way. I listened to it and thought they're both going in, great track. And that's it.

[@NikoBased]

For everybody coming down on Vlad, Math actually agrees with him. How do you know this? Watch the first 30 seconds of the video. The difference being, Math doesn't want to disrespect LL because Math is also an artist. Vlad is just a fan, he can say what everybody's thinking. But the point still stands, that smile from Math says it all.

[@Hunch07]

Quiet buddy. Just be quiet

[@JRVTV0747]

LL killed that track🔥🔥

[@therealist2798]

Why is Vlad always stirring shit up ?🤔 ...LL came wit it on that track...nobody got outshined.

[@621ELECTRONICS]

Just shows how great LL is. Vlad says a little rusty, but I just now listened to the track expecting LL to be lackluster, but he ripped it! It's okay to say you prefer one style over another, maybe some will prefer Em's over LL or vice versa, but LL killed his verses on this and absolutely held his own. If I thought it was trash I'd just say it, but that is not the case. Forgot I wanted to add, this is just great hip hop collaboration, not a competition between them on the track.

[@Caseystillwaterr]

This is crazy because LL killed that shit

[@bruhmanflight]

Black culture wont stay ours if left up to DJ Vlad

[@btrue7386]

That's funny cuz I feel the same way about VLAD TV when I watch Art Of Dialogue. LL still sounds incredible, TF you mean.

[@mickeybeavison1053]

Hoff looking real zesty in 2024

[@AntoineWilliams-d9b]

adrenaline rush “twista’ is the best example of fast and slow mixture

[@koricounts9016]

I thought LL killed it! His verse & delivery was more pleasing to the ear. Em did his thing, too. But LL edged him to me 🔥

[@elemaire86]

LL did not sound rusty. Here's what I told all my friends after listening to it. My gut tells me Em pulled back ever so slightly out of respect and LL stepped up his game to max level out of respect. At the end of the day they sounded on par OVERALL, accounting for flow, energy, etc, etc, including lyricism. If I just look at the number double or entendres or number of internal rhymes than yes, Em by outdid LL but when listening to a song I look at the whole package untless there's some serious areas lacking. LL was well-rounded on that track and stepped up his lyrical game. Em and Em but maybe slightly and respectfully not trying to top himself. The end result was well balanced. LL did his things for sure.

[@tommcman8881]

Vlad is Tweeeeakin!

[@aleksandarhadjov8536]

Its a great record with 2 living legends LL and Em and LL held his ground he was good come on nobody can go bar for bar with Em but when the song is great it means both delivered.

[@kmoore7236]

Q-tip made the beat and LL recommended that Em would sound good on the track. I say it was the right choice.

[@Byrdgang79]

OMG! Vlad knock it off!! LL got him on that one Em verse was hard but LL went in I love that song LL got it

[@tex-do1wm]

They both Killed it.

[@L-ski274]

LL was and is still a beast on the mic🐐

[@AGjoinery]

I honestly thought ll outshined em on murdergram...em might of been more intricate lyrically but ll kept up while also having much stronger sound and energy.... I didn't like ems energy on this track he could if gone a bit harder for me

[@FlameBlue9016]

I’m with math the track was killer I enjoyed every part of it…. LL and Em meshed together really well and the flow was killer but it was the kind of track you can’t get out of your head….

[@thisismyinferno]

Can we throw VLad out now? Arent we tired?

[@ChrisL531985]

I underhand hip-hop is competitive and that’s what makes it great but can we ever just say they both killed it. Enjoy the song and give credit to both of the legends.

[@torrianmcgraw9317]

THEY BOTH DID THERE 1-2 POINT BLANK PERIOD

[@mkultra8696]

Great track, both 🔥

[@PanagiotisVourtsas]

Respect Math

[@qaspanova]

They both rapped on Welcome to D Block with Sheek. Em didn't murder Kiss tho

[@kingofnewyork8818]

I don’t think Em gets on a track like I’m gonna smoke the other artist. I think he is like I’m gonna do my best I can for this beat and what ever happens happens

[@MrCbwTV]

LL was doing that style in the 80’s. Em admits he studied L!!!

[@be3933]

The first mistake was putting Eminem on the album, but secondly it’s just a showcase of Eminem’s lack of diversity. Eminem is never made to come into the world of other artists, they all essentially do Eminem records. Vlad needs to keep quiet with LL sounding rusty. LL got busy and should get credit for matching Em with a style designed for Em. See what would have happened if the shit was flipped the other way around.

[@M37_jase]

It’s no way you could get that from the song. Number 1, think about how the amount of style LL has switched to. He started the aggressive rock and roll style, spearheaded the Rap/R&b style, didn’t rap boom bap era style, and did modern rap style. No other artists has done this and stayed relevant. Kool Mo Dee and Run DMC could not evolve.

[@bkn4]

Vlad is smokin here

[@BubbaChevy]

First That Em and L song is fn awesome 💯

[@Rassmaster]

Em had better bars and wordplay. He was scheming on the track, but LL had better vocal presence/energy. Depends on what you enjoy more. They both did their thing, but I give the SLIGHTEST of edges to Em personally. No shade at LL tho, he brought it too.

[@TrueHipHopEst]

Hoffa is right,they both LL and Em has their own style and they both was great on that track,people got what they want and thats all win win

[@ernestwilliamsjr.7181]

Vlad sound crazy! They both killed that joint!!!

[@JoeBee721]

Being a DJ, I’ve never had a request for an Eminem song. Ever!!

[@artiss2k]

Vlad you wildin son.... you wildin

[@ELITEmyfrat]

It’s crazy to see both on the track especially how much em looks up to LL

[@michaelford1056]

Vlad acts like his opinion is the only one that matters when in reality he usually has the worst opinion of all.

[@sandpaper4483]

LL when he did the song with em at the rock and roll Hall of Fame you saw a real mc in LL cool j he held the stage controlled the crowd went bar for bar with em and still rocked the stage go and watch it...

[@Flawed_Floor]

MATH preaching tho: People really need to stop unconditionally conflating lyrical miracle syllable techniques with skill. You got dudes like Em & Pun: then you got dudes like Pac n Prodigy. They are all supreme artists, amazing lyricists and timeless poets. Too many people nowadays automatically assume intricacy = quality! 😤

[@ReddWolf25]

Tech, bone thugs, and twista can hold their own with em. Wish we had a Midwest collab with each other

[@brooklyn_geek]

I don't think either outdid the other, actually I think they both toned it down to make the overall balance work...had either gone IN it would've showed itself, trust me, they made a conscious effort to keep the vibe from seeming like they're competing on the song

[@Fonte1971]

Here goes Vlad again with the bullshit saying LL sounded like he was rusty..how this guy has lasted this long speaking on black culture amazes me 🤦🏾

[@Hunch07]

Me too. A whole clown

[@haviswilliams7374]

It's a an em track, an em beat. When the beat switch that's LL

[@ToP5ReP]

And I think Jay jumped into an old rhyming pattern from back in the day. I dont think he wasn't "being himself." Jay just evolved over time.

[@thomasmcquaid3417]

I can’t stand it wen people can’t enjoy an amazing collaboration without trying to pick a Winner

[@onthe80omw]

sounds a lot like LL turned down a vlad interview (prob several times)