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@tiehoteele874
@tiehoteele874 11 ай бұрын
The comment section is polluted by critics but i learned some tricks from this video.. EXCELLENT
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 11 ай бұрын
Wow!!! Thanks and we are glad you gained some values from this video tutorial sir.
@thefireyphoenix
@thefireyphoenix 7 ай бұрын
it isnt critism.. in every maths channel you will see people doing that.. they do it for alternate solutions and writing down their own way
@tiehoteele874
@tiehoteele874 6 ай бұрын
@@thefireyphoenix this video wasn't made for them
@Theuserisadick
@Theuserisadick 6 ай бұрын
Polluted by critics?? You're definitely not a student of maths
@Maths_withs_NHLaskar
@Maths_withs_NHLaskar 5 ай бұрын
I learnt something new from this video... And I wanna say something to dear sir please do you job not listen other criticism... Love you sor i am from India ( Bengali) i am also a Maths teacher 🧡🤍💚
@danieldavies1829
@danieldavies1829 Жыл бұрын
I worked it out a bit different. My solution was simply determine what of 3 exponent would get me a number greater than 65 that would be an odd number (3^4). I then subtracted that 65 from that number (81) and I got 16 which is 2^4. In other words you can rewrite the equation in this instance as 3^m - 2^m=65 3^m - 65 = 2^m The first exponent of 3 which results in a number greater than 65 is 4 so 3^4 = 81 81-65 = 2^m 16 = 2^m 16 can be written as 2^4 m=4
@Xhopp3r
@Xhopp3r Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I did.
@Smith_14
@Smith_14 Жыл бұрын
m can be a negative number?
@leishajuneja2994
@leishajuneja2994 Жыл бұрын
You cant take any value of 'm'.consider the question is same but with a very large value(instead of 65),probably in crores,it wout take an eternity to reach that number
@leoosu
@leoosu Жыл бұрын
I did the same😂
@DownhillAllTheWay
@DownhillAllTheWay Жыл бұрын
You're assuming that m is an integer?
@alfredomulleretxeberria4239
@alfredomulleretxeberria4239 Жыл бұрын
I was impressed by the analytic demonstration used to figure out that m = 4. Sometimes procedures can be more interesting to follow along than just knowing the result.
@italixgaming915
@italixgaming915 Жыл бұрын
Well, you'll be impressed to see that the proof is not valid. If you suppose that m is an even number then x+y and x-y are integers but if it's an odd number then they are IRRATIONALS and you can't use 65=5*13. Plus the fact that even in the case where x+y and x-y are integers, 5*13 is not the only way to get 65, you must also look at 1*65...
@jarikosonen4079
@jarikosonen4079 10 ай бұрын
​​​​​@@italixgaming915This looks like diophantine method used here, which would work only with the integers. In case the solution works like in above case it could prove that no other integer solutions exist... But it seems 65x1 was not checked. This could work for 3^m-2^n cases also. Variables 'm' and also 'n' are often used for integers, but not necessarily always.
@claudiohermeslima
@claudiohermeslima 9 ай бұрын
You are the top!😊 You are a great teacher!!!!
@elmehdiazzouz7888
@elmehdiazzouz7888 8 ай бұрын
the proof is not valid, we need to proceed much more cautiously with analytic ways, i d say : some more conditions/discussions needed to be added to the video .... i gree with italixgaming the arithmetic way stays safer ..
@matsen2c5-1
@matsen2c5-1 Ай бұрын
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@f-s406
@f-s406 Жыл бұрын
I got ‘m=4’ by mental arithmetic. Because 3^m > 65 and 2^m < 3^m, that’s necessary. The value '65' determines that the value range of m must be less than 5 and greater than 0. When m is a positive integer, test the m=5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and finally get m=4.
@CBSE24
@CBSE24 Жыл бұрын
I too
@tuyu6404
@tuyu6404 Жыл бұрын
Since we don't participate in the Olympics, this short answer is good. But I'm not sure if I would use this method for an Olympics. I think logarithms are simpler than the answer And have a good axiom to condense those complicated answers.❤
@lophocthienuc7345
@lophocthienuc7345 Жыл бұрын
I dont think so. 2^m 65 why m
@gheorgheneacsu3356
@gheorgheneacsu3356 9 ай бұрын
Me too! 😊😊
@chrissyday67
@chrissyday67 7 ай бұрын
exactly! if students are good enough to do olympiad problems then they'd know powers of 3, 3, 9, 27, 81, 243 at least and also 2 to even higher powrers, 2, 4 , 8, 16, 32 etc so very easy to work out in less than 20 seconds . However I'm used to doing mental arithmatic as I never had a calculater when I was in school
@rubikaz
@rubikaz Жыл бұрын
There is a problem here, when you write (x+y)(x-y)=5x13 you can not deduce that x+y=13 because you do not know if x+y is a natural number. If m is an odd number, then x=3^(m/2) and y=2^(m/2) are not natural numbers. So you have prove that if m is an even number, then m=4. it is very easy to check that there is only 1 solution.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Noted.
@nicadi2005
@nicadi2005 10 ай бұрын
@rubikaz "So you have prove that if m is an even number" - Or, you can assume that m is even (thus making the quantities x+y and x-y (positive) integers etc.) and see whether it pays off - which it does, actually. "it is very easy to check that there is only 1 solution." - Indeed. The uniqueness of the solution is a direct consequence of the properties of the exponential function at work here...
@babetesfaye1001
@babetesfaye1001 9 ай бұрын
❤❤❤ May I use any number Which have same numerator band denominator ? like 3/3 , 4/4 , 5/5....
@with.love.from.siberia
@with.love.from.siberia 9 ай бұрын
​@@babetesfaye1001да, потому что оно равно 1
@Quasar900
@Quasar900 9 ай бұрын
@@babetesfaye1001 the function f(x) = 3^x - 2^x where x>0 is strictly growing, therefore with x=6 , f(6) > 65 so x must be less than 6, and so on trying integers until finding x=4 or m=4
@samuelmayna
@samuelmayna Жыл бұрын
You can also factor 65 into 65 and 1. This gives values of a and b as 33 and 32 hence b=2^(m/2)=32, m= 10 but m will have different value for 3^(m/2)= 33. Using logs(or ln) m=(log 33/log 3)=6.365
@eliasgitau7353
@eliasgitau7353 Жыл бұрын
This makes sense and it is mathematically correct
@nicadi2005
@nicadi2005 Жыл бұрын
@samuelmayna "You can also factor 65 into 65 and 1." - Yes, you can, but these won't be proper factors for 65, in the sense that ANY NUMBER could be "factored" as itself and one... Also, as you've seen yourself, this breaks the consistency of the original equation by forcing the unknown to take different values simultaneously - which is obviously not possible.
@AtefFarrouki
@AtefFarrouki 11 ай бұрын
m is an integer
@samuelmayna
@samuelmayna 11 ай бұрын
​@@nicadi2005 but it is mathematically logical.Mathematics is about thinking all cases.
@samuelmayna
@samuelmayna 11 ай бұрын
​@@AtefFarrouki but my approach is sound which shows that 65 and 1 won't work but it can give different answers for some equations.
@georiashang1120
@georiashang1120 Жыл бұрын
65=13•5=(9+4)×(9-4)=9^2-4^2=3^4-2^4 4 is the m; My high school math teacher used to tell me,the easiest way to understand an equation is to make them look the same,that is to say,we should make the brief side more complicated other than simplifing the complicated side for the most of the time.
@nicholastergech8525
@nicholastergech8525 Жыл бұрын
Similarly you can as well re-write 65 as 81-16....From there you make the bases of the two numbers to be similar with what you have on the left hand side..From there you take one of the corresponding bases and equate them together,when bases are the same powers will also be the same.
@usmanmusa8028
@usmanmusa8028 Жыл бұрын
This is what I actually expected from him
@TomJones-tx7pb
@TomJones-tx7pb Жыл бұрын
If you do not notice that 16 = 2**4, you are not a computer geek.
@lgmoses3876
@lgmoses3876 Жыл бұрын
I did it,in my braine.
@sfqamd
@sfqamd Жыл бұрын
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@shivaprasadmallikarjunaiah3751
@shivaprasadmallikarjunaiah3751 Жыл бұрын
you are not mathematically solving the problem, but doing so by trial and error. These were smaller numbers so it is easy for anyone to come to that conclusion ( becausethe solution is "visible" in the numbers in front of you). In other words, how would you solve the same problem with entirely different and larger numbers involved? ...say 2059 for instance.
@sofianikolidou5640
@sofianikolidou5640 29 күн бұрын
Ευχαριστώ πολυ γι αυτες τις λυσεις...ειμαι 65 ετων και μου αρέσει να θυμαμαι τα χρόνια μου στο σχολείο...Παντα μου αρεσαν τα μαθηματικα και τωρα τα θυμάμαι ολα και οτι δεν θυμαμαι το μαθαινω μαζι σας thank you❤
@sanmus100
@sanmus100 Жыл бұрын
How can one just assume that x+y = 13, and x-y = 5, respectfully, as there's 65 and 1 as well. Furthermore, this wouldn't really work if 65 had many more factors, making it more complicated, opening up to a lot more possibilities.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Nice question @Santhosh John. There are principles and rules that govern the operations in mathematics as it is for all other sphere of life. Once you are a maths student or tutor you must get urself familiarized with these rules. They become part of you and you know what to do once you have a math challenge/problem before you. Once a mathematician sees a math problem, his head automatically runs through different means of approaching the problem for a better solution.
@thegreathussar9442
@thegreathussar9442 Жыл бұрын
When taking difference of squares if smaller part is 1(assuming it is the smaller part and it is) , m=2 and positive part becomes 5, not 65 therefore the result will be 5, not 65. If it has more factors, you just have to make arithmetical inferences and simplify it. That's it.
@naharmath
@naharmath Жыл бұрын
3^(m/2) is not necesserly an integer!
@thegreathussar9442
@thegreathussar9442 Жыл бұрын
@@naharmath but there is no other solution since both parts are exponential and even if m is a rational number the result wouldn't be integer( they are different primes). So this equation requires to be analyzed numerically first
@mariosantangelo9929
@mariosantangelo9929 Жыл бұрын
Il professore ti ha risposto in maniera adeguata. Però io consiglio al professore di spiegare certe regole anche se ciò richiede qualche minuto in più. I fruitori di you tube non sono tutti matematici, ma persone desiderose di capire ed imparare.
@mitahaubica6498
@mitahaubica6498 Жыл бұрын
I immediately saw that 65 can be decomposed as 81-16, and conveniently 81 is 3^4 and 16 is 2^4, so matching coefficients suggests m is 4.
@BrightonMutero
@BrightonMutero Жыл бұрын
You are a genius
@nicadi2005
@nicadi2005 Жыл бұрын
@mitahaubica6498 "I immediately saw that 65 can be decomposed as 81-16" - That's not decomposition... You can find an infinity of pairs of numbers that have their difference equal to 65. The fact that you selected one such pair that also happens to be powers of the respective bases in the original problem merely indicates you have approached solving this by trial and error... *The question would be whether you can do better than finding the solution that way...*
@counterpoint9260
@counterpoint9260 11 ай бұрын
that is not the right method..may work here but not al the time
@davidmajor1508
@davidmajor1508 9 ай бұрын
You just got lucky. It was pure luck that you used the right numbers to subtract, and that m is an integer in this case.
@danielvazquez6301
@danielvazquez6301 7 ай бұрын
Always try some values of m to see the behaviour. m=0 or 1 or 3 or 4... I've found the solution! Obviously it is not an Olympiad problem.
@Amy-601
@Amy-601 Жыл бұрын
The way I see it, 3 cubed is 27, less than 65, and 3 raised to 4 is 81. Therefore 65 is between 27 and 81. Upper bound, lower bound or range even. Now 81 would mean m is 4. So 2 should be raised to 4 also which gives us 16. 81 minus ➖ 16 is 65. So m is 4. The other ways are using log or binomial series which is overkill for smaller numbers. - Amy
@jaimeduncan6167
@jaimeduncan6167 Жыл бұрын
Another option: the solution is pretty clear, it's a small number one can calculate with the mind. Then it reduces to show that their solution is unique. One can use calculus to show that the analog continuos function is monotone for x>4 and be done with it, or use induction to show that it grows on the integers for n>4.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Your approach is superb sir. I find it very fascinating and I will try it out in subsequent math challenges. Thanks for sharing this nice and wonderful procedure with OnlinemathsTV. You the boss and much respect boss...👍👍👍
@GirGir183
@GirGir183 Жыл бұрын
I think he used a simplified equation for the demonstration. When it's not so simple and the numbers are much larger, then this method can be used as well.
@airtonreis2675
@airtonreis2675 Жыл бұрын
Parabéns. Não sei falar nada em inglês e mesmo assim consegui aprender com sua aula. Até eu estou surpreso de ter assistido sua aula até o final sem saber se iria entender o seu modo de esnsinar. A matemática pode ser universal, mas o jeito de ensinar é fundamental.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
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@airtonreis2675 Жыл бұрын
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@MATHSHEADMASTER
@MATHSHEADMASTER Жыл бұрын
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@pedrooo13
@pedrooo13 9 ай бұрын
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@Abettertomorrow85
@Abettertomorrow85 2 ай бұрын
The way he's explaining this is making it more complicated than it really is
@therichcircle.8819
@therichcircle.8819 Жыл бұрын
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@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
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@Sapped6
@Sapped6 Жыл бұрын
A matemática é uma língua universal como a música. Parabéns, ótima técnica ❤
@teamredx1pro952
@teamredx1pro952 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for reminding me that you can't believe everything on the internet. Props to you i almost believed it untill i tested it with calculator. BRAVO YOU SHOULD WIN AN OSCAR
@ЛидийКлещельский-ь3х
@ЛидийКлещельский-ь3х Жыл бұрын
It can decide differently. The function (1) f(x)=3^x-2^x -is increasing . { for x>0 (2) 3^x>2^x ; x10 . (3) f(x2)-f(x1)= ……..=3^x1*[3^(x2-x1)-1]-2^x1*[2^(x2-x1)-1 ]> 2^x1*[2^(x2-x1) -1 ]-[ “--“ ]=0 ; (3) f(x2)-f(x1)>0 !!!!! So , it takes all its meanings once a time. f(4)=3^4-2^4=65 . So , x=4 - is the only root of equation ! Respectfully , Lidiy
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
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@Rodolfo-Martin-Santos
@Rodolfo-Martin-Santos Жыл бұрын
There is no X! 😂but however, good job!
@andreasandre4756
@andreasandre4756 Жыл бұрын
Pay attention that m=constant not variable, so M must be grater then 1 otherwise solution will not be true because ln1=0 or 3-2=1 which is not equal 65. So M>1 and could be anything. So if it is not an integer number? So if it is not equal 65 but 63.5 - ?
@ADSemenov_ru
@ADSemenov_ru Жыл бұрын
You took the words right out of my mouth. :)
@Marat7973
@Marat7973 Жыл бұрын
Здравствуйте,Лидий! Не ожидал Вас здесь увидеть)
@НиколайЧуприк-ъ4с
@НиколайЧуприк-ъ4с Жыл бұрын
It doesn't work if m is odd. In this case (x+y) and (x-y) aren't integer and can't be assumed as 5x13.
@danielrivera2278
@danielrivera2278 Жыл бұрын
If you do the analysis, and supposing m is an integer, you can conclude m is even. That's because 3^m-2^m must be congruent to 0 mod (5). If m is even you get 1 mod 5 or 4 mod 5. But m being even, you have 0 mod 5 always. Anyways, it's not proven in the video, maybe it would be amazing to have hows and whys in the video
@НиколайЧуприк-ъ4с
@НиколайЧуприк-ъ4с Жыл бұрын
@@danielrivera2278 of cause. I mean that "trick" in the video is not universal.
@Change_Verification
@Change_Verification Жыл бұрын
@@danielrivera2278 and who even said that m must be an integer ?
@danielrivera2278
@danielrivera2278 Жыл бұрын
@@Change_Verification exactly. I also think like that, that's because assuming integer was the first thing I said
@Eismann1
@Eismann1 Жыл бұрын
Yes, he didn't do the preliminary work. But this is an important step to make tricks like this one work.
@karlm9584
@karlm9584 Жыл бұрын
I like how you used indices to get past that first section. I've never really been good at spotting where to use substitution, the section when you brought in x and y
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
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@elio9008
@elio9008 Жыл бұрын
If you guess the solution, m=4 and present the equality as 3^m - 81 = 2^m - 16 , then it would be easy to prove that both functions (on the right and on the left) increase and therefore their graphs have only one intersection.
@ca1498
@ca1498 Жыл бұрын
You need more than that. Two increasing functions can intertwine and cross each other all the time. But if they have one intersection, and after that one of them grows faster than the other all the time, then it follows that they won't intersect again. It's like two cars racing. They both increase their distance from the start all the time, but they could swap places many times during the race--unless one of them is always faster than the other after the point in which they were even with each other.
@ca1498
@ca1498 Жыл бұрын
@@reginaldocalvo4361Each of the two sides can be a function e.g. y = 3^x - 81. The solution of the equation 'side 1' = 'side 2' is a number x (or m) where the two functions give the same y for the same x. You first find, by guessing, one x (or m) for which the two functions have the same y, which would mean that the particular m is one solution to the equation of function 1 = function 2 for some x. You then show that each of the functions only grows, and that the difference between the two y-s for each x (which is a function of x as well) also only grows. Therefore there can be only one value of x for which the difference is 0, so only one m (the one we already guessed) is the solution to the equation where one of the functions has the same y as the other for a given x. If I were participating in this Olympiad and solving this problem, I would have guessed 4, and then I would have argued that the first side 3^m... grows much faster than the other side 2^m for each subsequent m. I wouldn't be using derivatives, as I did not know any calculus in high school. But if they ask about integer solutions, I would talk about growth of y with respect to changes in m by +1. And if they did not limit it to whole numbers, I would probably still try to talk about slope of the graphs of the functions and hope to make an acceptable argument, as I don't see how you can analyze these functions without using calculus.
@MeWa-z4g
@MeWa-z4g Жыл бұрын
@@reginaldocalvo4361 3^m-81= f(m) this can be considered as a function depending on m 2^m-16= g(m) also could be considered as function of m.
@MeWa-z4g
@MeWa-z4g Жыл бұрын
@@ca1498 you are right, but When you see this function it is easy to notice that the growing path or direction is already know but partially
@Vitzyk
@Vitzyk Жыл бұрын
Consequence is false.Contra-example x and x^3. Both increase but have 2 intersections
@johnpalagye7036
@johnpalagye7036 Жыл бұрын
Love your video! I got lost half way and I did not know that you could just square the exponents and make them equal
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
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@karlm9584
@karlm9584 Жыл бұрын
I like this too. I have done it with roots before. Roots are just indices but I wouldn't have thought of doing it.
@clownphabetstrongwoman7305
@clownphabetstrongwoman7305 9 ай бұрын
Maybe it's a bad argument but I would say for a^m - b^m = X, and a, b, m belong to N, a^m> X > a^m-1. Here 3^m>65>3^m-1 81>65>27 => m=4.
@Bossudeboss898
@Bossudeboss898 6 ай бұрын
Rewrite the equation as 3^x = 65 + 2^x. We can safely divide by 3^x and then we have that 1 = 65 * (1/3)^x + (2/3)^x. Because the function on the R.H.S. is strictly decreasing, being the sum of 2 other strictly decreasing functions, it means that f(x) = 1 has one solution at max. We notice that x=4 checks, so that is our only solution.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 6 ай бұрын
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@mdmahin7299
@mdmahin7299 Жыл бұрын
Very well solution but the rules are very lengthy or Expensive ☺️ So if we assume the value of "m" here from 1-4 We are easily getting the value of m Such as Let , m=1,2,3,4,... ♾️ and now, 3^1-2^1=1≠65 again 3^2-2^2=5≠65 And now if we let, m=4 then 3^4-2^4=65=65 So we can easily get m=4😊
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
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@WhiNikkatherealone
@WhiNikkatherealone Жыл бұрын
i mean hit and trial is always the last resort
@dannychown2593
@dannychown2593 6 ай бұрын
Your work opens up the horizon of my mind how to approach this type of question. Thank you.
@pwmiles56
@pwmiles56 Жыл бұрын
In a slightly fancier approach we can make a recursion 2(3^m - 2^m) + 3^m = (2+1)3^m - 2^(m+1) = 3^(m+1) - 2^(m+1) Put a(m) = 3^m - 2^m a1 = 3^1 - 2^1 = 1 a2 = 2 a1 + 3^1 = 5 a3 = 2 a2 + 3^2 = 19 a4 = 2 a3 + 3^3 = 65, done
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Wow!!! This approach is impressive but a bit obscure sir.
@vejayashanker
@vejayashanker Жыл бұрын
can u explain what u mean by obscure pls😂
@soltanchalkarow905
@soltanchalkarow905 11 ай бұрын
can you help me sir? if ab+bc+ca=1 prove: sqrt(a + (1/a)) + sqrt(b + (1/b)) + sqrt(c + (1/c)) >= 2( sqrt(a) +sqrt(b) + sqrt(c) )
@Quasar900
@Quasar900 Жыл бұрын
the function f(x) = 3^x - 2^x where x>0 is strictly growing, there for if x=6 f(x) > 65 so x must be
@onbored9627
@onbored9627 10 ай бұрын
All I did was think whats the first interger power of 3 that goes past 65, 3 is 27 so the answer is 4. Then just test. and it gave right answer. simple.
@Quasar900
@Quasar900 10 ай бұрын
@@onbored9627 Where are you from ? Cause how did you know I was still alive after 4 months ? 🙂Here is a secret about me : I 've never studied Mathematics in English !
@onbored9627
@onbored9627 10 ай бұрын
@@Quasar900 Ah, I apologize I only speak English. I'm from the USA. I wasn't trying to take away from your explanation I should've been more clear on that, I just thought yours was so good I didn't even need to say. Figuring out it's strictly growing is clever as hell. I didn't even think of that. I meant simple, as in, my answer was simply a guess really and it worked.
@Quasar900
@Quasar900 10 ай бұрын
@@onbored9627 Oh please Sir , no need to Apologise , The fact that I've never studied math in English doesn't mean I don't know English 🙂 It's just I'm not that familar with English terms in math ! But Thank God I do speak and read : French, English, Arabic, Spanish + some Japanese ! I did study math in French (after high school) and Arabic (until high school) , but that waaaas 21 years ago ! What class are you in ? I hope you're safe from those ongoing blizzard storms ! Greetings From Morocco and Free Palestine 🙂
@Quasar900
@Quasar900 10 ай бұрын
@@onbored9627 I think you do know these techniques involving the continuity of a function, the intermediate values etc.. to solve equations ! For example : solving in IR set : Arctan(x+1)+Arctan(x-1)=Pi/4
@tesfayewegderesegn
@tesfayewegderesegn 3 ай бұрын
Great job, You are an excellent instructor. From an admirer Ethiopian in America
@ravirajshelar250
@ravirajshelar250 Жыл бұрын
I did it in a different way. Write 3 as 2+1 and perform binomial expansion, so the 2^m cancels and subtract one from both sides. We have 64 on one side and some series on other side. Notice that the series 2 + 2^2 +.....+ 2^m will definitely be smaller than series on left which is equal to 64. So make this G.P. sum less than 64, you will get that m should be less than 5, and once you have known this, you have proved that you just need to find a solutions less than 5 and those will be the only solutions. Only m=4 works out.
@albajasadur2694
@albajasadur2694 Жыл бұрын
a good method to find the range of m and it makes sensible checking easier with limited number of m
@theboss73104
@theboss73104 7 ай бұрын
Yeah
@88kgs
@88kgs Жыл бұрын
Sir, we can also do this by hit and trial method, assuming different values for m=1,2,3,4.... But your way was also very nice 👍👍. Thank you for this video sir🙏
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Yes, but that will only work if the working process is not in the examination but this is needed when the examiner wants you to show your procedure step by step...👍👍👍
@gregfarnham5651
@gregfarnham5651 Жыл бұрын
Yes, trial and error could work if we assume m is a positive integer. I don't believe that was a given, however.
@ralfimuller8948
@ralfimuller8948 Жыл бұрын
@@gregfarnham5651 The solution in the video also made use of the assumption that m is an integer. Otherwise the factorization of 65 would not be unique. Actually, the hit and trial method should be entirely ok.
@gregfarnham5651
@gregfarnham5651 Жыл бұрын
@@ralfimuller8948 Agree. Thank you.
@danielrivera2278
@danielrivera2278 Жыл бұрын
Also, by trial and error you can't prove that's the obly answer
@ludmilak9396
@ludmilak9396 7 ай бұрын
Очень грамотное изложение, и очень удобно следить на доске. Однозначно плюс!🎉
@DrMikeE100
@DrMikeE100 Жыл бұрын
It took a fraction of a minute to recognize m = 4, but as a mathematician, I did find this interesting. (Dr. Mike Ecker)
@JaroGoraJ
@JaroGoraJ Жыл бұрын
I think because it was easy question
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria Жыл бұрын
Solved 3^m-2^m=65 by just thinking about the first whole number power of 3 above 65.
@dilphek
@dilphek Жыл бұрын
It is not about finding it. Olympiad is a school competition teaching kids to solve these problems mathematically
@bleh-zj1hy
@bleh-zj1hy Жыл бұрын
​​@@dilphekyou guys got a different Olympiad or something? Here Olympiads (for the kids, totally different type from the subjective ones) are mcqs and the subjective ones are like 3 questions in 3 hrs and if you're able to do even 1 you're qualified (you can imagine the toughness so it's really not for the kids)
@ARTAATIF
@ARTAATIF 2 ай бұрын
I really think just like that...
@danielmelo5609
@danielmelo5609 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. It seemed very complicated, but it turned out to be easier than expected. A hug
@Psykolord1989
@Psykolord1989 Жыл бұрын
Before watching: Alright, so, we are looking at exponential functions. 3^m - 2^m = 65. First, we can rule out m=1 and anything below; the difference between those would be smaller than between 3 and 2, and thus much lower than 65. Next, notice that we are dealing with an integer on the right. This heavily implies (but *does not necessarily guarantee* ) that 3^m and 2^m are both integers as well. If both are integers, then m must also be an integer. So we should start with integers. (If we were dealing with a mixed number instead, this would be much more complex; as it stands, we can just plug in integers and see which one works). Let's start with the first x that gives us 3^m >65, namely 4. 3^4 = 9^2 = 81, and 2^4 = 4^2 = 16 So for m= 4, we have 81-16 = 65. Fortunately for us, this checks out, and thus we have our answer of *m = 4*
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this thorough explanation. You the best. 👍👍
@RoderickEtheria
@RoderickEtheria Жыл бұрын
Negative m gets fractions.
@Psykolord1989
@Psykolord1989 Жыл бұрын
@@RoderickEtheria Yes, you are correct, and I see I made a typo in the "so for m=4 we have..." section by putting a negative in front of the 4. Fixed now. I don't imagine it was a huge problem since in the section right above it,and at the very end of that section, I used 4, but it still may have confused some people.
@fisicamatematicasprofewilliam
@fisicamatematicasprofewilliam 10 ай бұрын
profe en olimpiadas de las matematicas se aprende mucho. y con usted bastante. felicitaciones
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 10 ай бұрын
Thanks a million sir, we appreciate this comment my good friend.
@OkoroUchechukwu-j8r
@OkoroUchechukwu-j8r 9 ай бұрын
I'm impressed with this explicit methodology 😊(12:16am)
@michaelsidorov5508
@michaelsidorov5508 Жыл бұрын
Остроумно и красиво! Как и вся математика.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this wonderful comment sir. Love you....💕💕
@СветланаБуданова-ю6ъ
@СветланаБуданова-ю6ъ Жыл бұрын
Очень, очень. Надо же как можно. Удивительно!
@umeshkhetan
@umeshkhetan Жыл бұрын
If a.b=65, a and b can have infinite values. So, the tutor has just one answer where multiple answers are possible.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Yes it has multiple answer but for the sake of this tutorial we restricted ourselves to this solution sir. Thanks for this observation. Much love....💕💕👍👍
@mustaphaolunrebi8100
@mustaphaolunrebi8100 Жыл бұрын
I think you add that, where m is an integer. It makes it complete. The only integer factors 65 has are 5 and 13. Nice solution 🎉
@ivandonchev474
@ivandonchev474 Жыл бұрын
Sorry but this video is the most useless shit I have seen. You solved it by guessing and overcomplicated massively
@speedsterh
@speedsterh Жыл бұрын
@@mustaphaolunrebi8100 No, 65 has 4 factors: 1, 5, 13, 65. The equation with 2 other factors should be explored for completeness
@mikeblings1504
@mikeblings1504 9 ай бұрын
As a math teacher, this is a plus to me. You are amazing 👏
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 9 ай бұрын
Thanks a million sir.
@Toxa_Azimov
@Toxa_Azimov Жыл бұрын
Слева возрастающая функция при m>0 ( можно найти производную и убедиться ), справа постоянная функция, значит у них может существовать только одна точка пересечения, методом оценки m=4
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Bravo 👍👍👍 You the best sir.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Bravo 👍👍👍 You the best sir.
@PlumbuM871
@PlumbuM871 11 ай бұрын
Чисто случайно подставил вместо m 4, и всё сошлось! Везёт мне
@AndrewUnruh
@AndrewUnruh Жыл бұрын
Clever solution! One thing I did not get is how you knew that m was a positive integer - or was this just an assumption that happened to work? For example, if the problem had been 4^m - 3^m = 65, m would be approximately 3.36.
@charleskaruru481
@charleskaruru481 Жыл бұрын
m can never be a negative otherwise we wont have 65but fraction
@Winz_Breaker
@Winz_Breaker 7 ай бұрын
Thankyou you,i understand😊
@divonsirlopes5409
@divonsirlopes5409 Жыл бұрын
There is a faster workaround, with the assumption that the number m is integer. The term on the right is less than the term on the left. For simplicity, we can assume that the term on the right is zero. This results in: 3^m = 65. m is greater than 3, because 3^3 = 27. m can be 4 because 3^4 = 81. Let's test m = 4: 3^4 - 2^4 = 65 81 - 16 = 65 65 = 65
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Wow!!! This is fantastic. I love this approach sir. We have gained some values from this procedure sir. Thanks for dropping this sir. Respect.....👍👍👍 Much love....💕💕💖💖❤️❤️
@divonsirlopes5409
@divonsirlopes5409 Жыл бұрын
There is a faster workaround, with the assumption that the number m is integer. The term on the right is less than the term on the left. For simplicity, we can assume that the term on the right is zero. This results in: 3^m = 65 m = log(65)/log(3) = 3,8 m is greater than 3,8 Let's test m = 4 3^4 - 2^4 = 65 81 - 16 = 65 65 = 65
@MONSTER2013
@MONSTER2013 Жыл бұрын
Base on which level you’re at. This question and video are made for yr 10-11? So he gave the solution at that grade. Above yr 12 can use other tools as log/ ln skilfully to solve it.
@divonsirlopes5409
@divonsirlopes5409 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@foudilbenouci482
@foudilbenouci482 Жыл бұрын
^you found one solution doesn t mean you found all solutions
@mathtv3982
@mathtv3982 Жыл бұрын
First you must show that m is even positive integer
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Noted sir.
@jamesmichuki5804
@jamesmichuki5804 10 ай бұрын
Thanks teacher. Today I've learnt something very new in maths. Am really surprised....
@franciscodeassisbrandaobra898
@franciscodeassisbrandaobra898 Жыл бұрын
exercicio maravilhoso🥰🥰❤❤❤❤❤❤
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks a millions sir, we love you ❤️❤️💖💖💕💕😍😍
@АлександрСтоляров-ю2с
@АлександрСтоляров-ю2с Жыл бұрын
Сначала поделить обе части на 2^m. Тогда слева будет возрастающая функция, справа убывающая. Тогда уравнение имеет не более одного корня. Подобрать корень не сложно. 9 класс, ничего сложного. За проведенное решение минус: нигде не доказано отсутствие других решений, переход к системе ничего не обосновывает.
@madhabaranjanrout1215
@madhabaranjanrout1215 3 ай бұрын
Many Many Thanks to you. ❤❤❤
@Curufin1984
@Curufin1984 Жыл бұрын
This is so overly complicated.. Just check low values of m and find that m = 4 works.. Then use a simple analysis tool to show uniqueness of the solution e.g. by showing that function f(m) = 3^m - 2^m is strictly increasing for m>=1. Additionally your solution contains errors and missing steps: 1. If you do the trick with 3^(m/2)^2 - 2^(m/2)^2 = 65 then you presuppose that m is even, because if m is odd then 3^(m/2) is not natural anymore, so you cannot use the natural divisors of 65 in the following steps anymore. 2. Even if that approach worked (because you somehow proved that m must be even): After you rewrite the equation as x^2 - y^2=65, then you have to consider *two* pairs of solutions 65 = 65 * 1 and 65 = 5 * 13. Long story short, lots of mistakes in your video unfortunately.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this keen observation and I really appreciate this comment sir. Noted. I will do more detailed work on subsequent videos. You the best and much love for this detailed comment....💕💕💕
@ivandonchev474
@ivandonchev474 Жыл бұрын
Yes this video is shit full of errors. The fact that it has so many errors and is hugely overcomplicated at the same time makes it complete and utter shit
@michaellockett4044
@michaellockett4044 7 ай бұрын
Difference of squares into u-substitution. Excellent methodolgy.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 6 ай бұрын
Thanks a bunch sir.
@bdh9202
@bdh9202 9 ай бұрын
You worked hard, I found the result by giving the value of m to 4 in 10 seconds, but it is important how the solution is, but I still think it is too long. Greetings from Turkey.
@EllaBanua-q2u
@EllaBanua-q2u 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful learning for us Sir! God bless...❤❤❤
@nirmalbatra5651
@nirmalbatra5651 2 ай бұрын
Excellent ! Solution becomes so easy and understandable
@tejendramohenbaisya8529
@tejendramohenbaisya8529 Жыл бұрын
Problem solved in a very intelligent way.
@charleskaruru481
@charleskaruru481 Жыл бұрын
in maths olympiad time is very critical...what is important is the answer...so the best way is to solve maths olympiad is to have very basic maths then the rest is analysing to get the pattern...so what i did is just look at indecies of 3 that have the last number such that if we subract an indecies of 2 and get 65
@zulfqarali2994
@zulfqarali2994 7 ай бұрын
Gentleman I appreciate your work.
@lophocthienuc7345
@lophocthienuc7345 Жыл бұрын
I think it's very easy. We let m = 4, it's correct We will prove "with m > 4 , 3^m -2^m > 65" So, only m = 4 will be equation. m>4 m = 4+a (a>0) 3^m - 2^m > 3^4 - 2^4 Because (3^a-1).3^4 always > (2^a-1).2^4 Thanks from Việt Nam 🎉
@forgottenlegacy5929
@forgottenlegacy5929 7 ай бұрын
Wonderfully explained, very informative. But it’s sometimes more convenient to use the easy method
@BrukFikru
@BrukFikru Жыл бұрын
Nice one ...... good teacher ...... stay teaching stay doing more math tricks ...... i liked it
@MdSamir-st9jv
@MdSamir-st9jv 6 ай бұрын
Love and support from India 🇮🇳
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 6 ай бұрын
Thanks a million, much love from all of us @ Onlinemaths TV...💖💖💕💕 We cherish you more sir...🙋🙋🙏🙏
@Maths_withs_NHLaskar
@Maths_withs_NHLaskar 5 ай бұрын
I learnt something new from this video... And I wanna say something to dear sir please do you job not listen other criticism... Love you sor i am from India ( Bengali) i am also a Maths teacher 🧡🤍💚
@DeadBoY-z8s
@DeadBoY-z8s Жыл бұрын
Mathematics is all abt observation and understanding thee pattern thx a ton Buddy❤
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV Жыл бұрын
Thanks a million for watching and dropping this wonderfully encouraging comment sir. The true is that mathematics is all about finding a solutions to problems/challenges. We really appreciate the fact that you watch and dropped this comment to clarify some debts in the minds of so many viewers and subscribers here. Much love from all of us @OnlinemathsTV....💕💕💕💖💖💖❤️❤️❤️
@paraskevitsiourva2794
@paraskevitsiourva2794 5 ай бұрын
Απολύτως τέλειο!!!! Είστε έμπνευση!
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 5 ай бұрын
Thanks a million for watching and encouraging us with your wonderful comment sir. Much love sir 💕💕💖🙏
@F007-n6y
@F007-n6y 10 ай бұрын
3ᵐ-2ᵐ=65 y=3ˣ-2ˣ y=65 если построить оба эти графика, то будет видно, что уравнение имеет единственное решение, поэтому можно попробовать подобрать корень подбором: х=1: 3¹-2¹=1; 1≠65 х=2; 3²-2²=5; 5≠65 х=3; 3³-2³=19; 19≠65 х=4; 3⁴-2⁴=65; 65=65 х=4 корень m=4
@lakshmikutty2255
@lakshmikutty2255 2 ай бұрын
Beautifully explained.
@mediateam535
@mediateam535 4 ай бұрын
This maths was wonderful I learnt a whole lot from it
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 4 ай бұрын
We are glad you learnt something from this sir.
@mymathtutoreg2628
@mymathtutoreg2628 Жыл бұрын
3^m>65 use log of both sides to solve the inequality we get m>3.8 so start to check m=4 in the original equation the equation is satisfied and m = 4
@stanleysimon6723
@stanleysimon6723 Жыл бұрын
Criticizers will be always there just ignore them.Good work brother👍
@ГульнараКожошева-ц2ф
@ГульнараКожошева-ц2ф 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! Без перевода мне всë так понятно было👍
@dinlendiricidrtv
@dinlendiricidrtv 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much my dear friend
@MathHero24
@MathHero24 Ай бұрын
if m0 and the derivative of 3^m-2^m is 3^m*log(3) - 2^m*log(2) which in turn larger than 3^m*log(2)-2^m*log(2) which is clearly positive as both log(2) > 0 and 3^m>2^m hold. Therefore the solution is unique, since 3^m-2^m-65 is increasing. A simple guess shows m=4 is a solution.
@GautamKumar-wx3sm
@GautamKumar-wx3sm 10 ай бұрын
Couldn't have thought of this approach. Thanks for this.
@shubhampoddar8403
@shubhampoddar8403 22 күн бұрын
So helpful . And this video gave me idea how to solve elzebric brobepems ❤ . Take more video related to solve many brobepems in polynomial . Logorithimc function and trigonometry Nice and very helpful video
@mahath999
@mahath999 6 ай бұрын
By the trial and error method It easy to solve....
@shyamapadadeb1140
@shyamapadadeb1140 Ай бұрын
Sir you have understood us fine way
@horstmueller1000
@horstmueller1000 Ай бұрын
The presentation and demonstrated solution is very good. rubikaz comment is nevertheless valuable. If the approach solves, then the uniqueness provides all solutions. Using an exclusive deduction from the start is valid, if a working hypothesis. Thanks for this video.
@CleopatraNadesan-kn3jg
@CleopatraNadesan-kn3jg Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial. Thank you very much
@tsengkunli8461
@tsengkunli8461 7 ай бұрын
1. (3^m-2^m) isincreasing function of m. 2.M is integer,because 65 is integer. 3.f(0)=0,f(5)=243-32=211. 4.we only need to test by 1,2,3,4 5.The answer is 4
@gobinddas5612
@gobinddas5612 10 ай бұрын
I am from Nepal but your big fan teacher ❤❤❤
@rajendrasinghbisht2628
@rajendrasinghbisht2628 8 ай бұрын
Nice solution. It makes so easy, the way you explained.
@jwilson4163
@jwilson4163 Жыл бұрын
Great lesson! Thanks. (From São Paulo/BR)😃
@MonaKhalil-r6e
@MonaKhalil-r6e 4 ай бұрын
Amazing work.. Thank you for sharing...
@dr.ashokmody6189
@dr.ashokmody6189 9 ай бұрын
It was wonderful! Don’t show the cancellation of base . One has to argue that when bases are same, indices are same. So (m/2) = 2
@rolandrick
@rolandrick 3 ай бұрын
Elegant solution 👏🏻👍🏻
@agnitank5238
@agnitank5238 4 ай бұрын
Nice , solution & was very enlightening. Thanks
@mantuadak3383
@mantuadak3383 10 ай бұрын
Very nice, from Hooghly, west Bengal, India, thanks
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching in support of this channel sir. Thanks a million. Much love from Nigeria sir...💕💕💖💖🎉❤️❤️
@andrevadyaskin164
@andrevadyaskin164 6 ай бұрын
m = 4 😊 I just guessed it. And this is the only single solution coz with more "m" the difference will be more.
@onlineMathsTV
@onlineMathsTV 6 ай бұрын
Bravo!!! You are good at what you do sir. You are the master/boss here sir. Maximum respect boss!!! 🙏🙏🙏
@ajitkumardas1491
@ajitkumardas1491 7 ай бұрын
3^m - 2^m = 65 > 3^m - 2^m = 81 - 16 > 3^m - 2^m = 3^4 - 2^4 comparing both sides, it can be concluded m = 4
@Saibatou
@Saibatou Жыл бұрын
You are just great! A very good approach.
@tunein1218
@tunein1218 9 ай бұрын
Could you explain more on how you arrived at using 13 and 5
@math_qz_2
@math_qz_2 10 ай бұрын
Very instructive task
@MuhammedYusuf-k7f
@MuhammedYusuf-k7f Жыл бұрын
Amazing 🤩🤩🤩 I've been trying to solve same question like this
@1234garga
@1234garga 9 ай бұрын
Браво! Много елегантно решение
@ryanchiang9587
@ryanchiang9587 10 күн бұрын
3 ^ 4 = 81. 2 ^ 4 = 16. 81 - 16 = 65
@WiesławMozal
@WiesławMozal 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this example. This one is easy. I'm not working yet. Such examples help me exesices my mind. Many people thank God as a Creator for the beautiful nature, for example: mountains, beaches, lakes, flowers. Few people see the wisdom of Got in lows of mathemathics and physics. On these lows is based the order in the univer. We can read about this God in the Bible.This book also talks about the future. How do you think, is it worthy to read this wise Book? Wiesław from Poland.
@rider-nm8id
@rider-nm8id 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. It is very usefull for me.
@fanomathics4819
@fanomathics4819 Жыл бұрын
Awesome formation of solution,,,,, wahhhh!!!
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