Mathematically Correct Instant Death | Death Blight Elden Ring

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0:00 Mathematically Instant Death
0:35 Intro
0:50 Eclipse Shotel Secrets
1:35 Eclipse Shotel Weapon Art
2:25 Instant Death
3:35 Legit Death Combo without exploit
4:15 Viable in PvE?
5:25 Stats + Gear
5:50 Invasions
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@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
3:35 leaving this here because i feel like most people skipped it 😳 PvE challenge runs soon!!!
@piko3058
@piko3058 2 жыл бұрын
Mathematically correct bleed build pls. Build where u do the most raw physical damage and also insane bleed.
@GrowlieDave
@GrowlieDave 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks my dude, love the shotel but could never get it to proc. Good luck with your finals my man.
@NeverEndinShow
@NeverEndinShow 2 жыл бұрын
Hey bro wjere do you get all the trinas lily to craft all those bolts?
@xXCursedWorgenXx
@xXCursedWorgenXx 2 жыл бұрын
say, I've had a question about how high to get points in a certain category. let's say you do a strength build, is it worth going over 60? or going over the arcane, same there? like using a weapon that has both scaling in arcane/int/faith and dexterity/strength, what should be the limit of one before going for the other?
@NeverEndinShow
@NeverEndinShow 2 жыл бұрын
@@xXCursedWorgenXx look up the hard and soft caps then go to where you reset your attributes and play around.
@BirdMoose
@BirdMoose 2 жыл бұрын
I wish death blight had some PvE effect, obviously a instant kill would be too strong, but maybe a decent chunk of damage like bleed with the thorns bursting out of the model even if they aren't raised on the spike.
@jonathankkennedy
@jonathankkennedy 2 жыл бұрын
If it were my call, boss battles and other large or non-humanoid enemies would get a minor bleed/frost like hp explosion, with the thorn effects obviously, but without being impaled by the Shrike from the Hyperion Cantos. Meanwhile, common humanoid enemies, such as wandering soldiers and knights would experience the instant death burst. But this would still, of course, be a bit over the top. Probably.
@JF-vz1ju
@JF-vz1ju 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it could be similar to frost, except instead of lowering defense, it slows enemies down? Like how Rogier became immobilized after being Deathblighted. So bleed would just be a damage pop, frost would be a damage pop + defense debuff, and deathblight would be a damage pop + speed debuff.
@ShiningDarknes
@ShiningDarknes 2 жыл бұрын
Same for madness. It is really lame how few enemies can actually be afflicted by madness and virtually none can be hit with deathblight.
@aweshetdima2157
@aweshetdima2157 2 жыл бұрын
Nah man, have it do significant DoT as soon as it procs, but it only procs for 10-20 seconds.
@jooot_6850
@jooot_6850 2 жыл бұрын
@@JF-vz1ju That’s just sleep with extra damage! (which.. is kind of what death is)
@elliottlee5262
@elliottlee5262 2 жыл бұрын
The dumb student: "Teacher when are we gonna ever use all this math in school?" Syrobe: *kills the student with mathematically correct everything*
@eryk8340
@eryk8340 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see everyone using it in 2 days
@Mad_king278
@Mad_king278 2 жыл бұрын
Piz no
@cainhurst7546
@cainhurst7546 2 жыл бұрын
Well at least we can dodge it this time, fires deadly sin was not fun
@deathblade8107
@deathblade8107 2 жыл бұрын
I would if it worked on bosses
@columlee6714
@columlee6714 2 жыл бұрын
I'd honestly rather fight against this then moonveil/rivers of no skill spammers
@patches2221
@patches2221 2 жыл бұрын
@@columlee6714 the unskilled are the only people who cry about weapons, GOLDEN PARRY
@Blitzkrieg7498
@Blitzkrieg7498 2 жыл бұрын
On the note of "crossbow gets mainhand's buff," I found flame of the redmanes AoW will apply, at the very least, black flame blade's black flame debuff. Don't know if this is significant or not
@theclownofclowns
@theclownofclowns 2 жыл бұрын
what hand do you have it in?
@ten7554
@ten7554 2 жыл бұрын
What's the debuff?
@Blitzkrieg7498
@Blitzkrieg7498 2 жыл бұрын
@snail fortress main hand weapon, off hand seal (or just two-handing) @Ten the black flame debuff that slowly depletes health
@graysaltine6035
@graysaltine6035 2 жыл бұрын
So what you are saying is, the incantation is working correctly.
@theclownofclowns
@theclownofclowns 2 жыл бұрын
@@Blitzkrieg7498 interesting. My theory was that the property transfer glitch only worked with a buffed weapon in the main hand, and gear in the off hand that had an ash of war that takes priority, like crossbows or shields. The fact that the same weapon that takes the buff also transfers the property to the ash of war is confusing to me. Maybe because they are both fire? Should check if it works bloodflame maybe or with other buffs in general?
@Alex-xo2ck
@Alex-xo2ck 2 жыл бұрын
This has got to be one of the most original Elden Ring build videos I've ever seen, love your work man
@ElJayEmCee
@ElJayEmCee 2 жыл бұрын
I've used that weapon for ages and still didn't know you could do that I won't be using the crossbow but I will be trying that out thank you for enlightening me good work as always ❤️
@smokeythebeast8288
@smokeythebeast8288 2 жыл бұрын
Why the crossbow is one of the most broken things out right now you can instant effect almost anything with that thing with any status effect in the game. For example you can stack Frost and rot or poison or whatever inflict the enemy and then hit it with a bleed build instantly delete almost anything in the game. Just apply status with the crossbow switch to a power stencing bleed curve sword or dual blade and you pretty much only need to do one jump attack after you inflict them with the crossbow
@ElJayEmCee
@ElJayEmCee 2 жыл бұрын
@@smokeythebeast8288 I prefer to duel with honour ❤️ I get what your saying it does sound OP no doubt I will see alot of this in future duels at the Academy Main Gate! 😅
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
hell yea bro 👍
@smokeythebeast8288
@smokeythebeast8288 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElJayEmCee that's perfectly understandable I wasn't really talking about dueling as much as I was talking about in general use, that's what I meant by most anything in the game. I can understand the confusion my bad. I wouldn't be worrying about rot or poison in duels but to be honest as far as unfair I'd prefer someone using the crossbow against me then power dancing that weapon all you have to do is strafe side to side and you will Dodge that crossbow you get caught in with one of those clouds then a jumping attack your tits up
@ElJayEmCee
@ElJayEmCee 2 жыл бұрын
@@smokeythebeast8288 I get you man much respect ❤️
@joshdemetri1824
@joshdemetri1824 2 жыл бұрын
And I can’t wait for those challenge runs!
@elpokitolama
@elpokitolama 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I hoped you were teasing! Thanks for the video 😄
@MrJunkiy
@MrJunkiy 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is honestly very impressive. I swear I watch every elden ring video that gets posted on KZbin and you have been constantly putting out unique builds no one is using or talking about. Your entertaining hype format is the cherry on top. Just a shame another great KZbin channel is slightly held back by the college curse. But that also makes the dedication that much more admirable. Keep up the hard work
@HeyItsTylerFTW
@HeyItsTylerFTW 2 жыл бұрын
Right there with you, this guy is awesome!
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
aw thanks bro i just have a lot of fun making them and i do everything myself which is probably why they turn out well, ill be switching to PVE challenge runs right after finals so ill have a lot more time to both stream on twitch and make more videos! check out my discord server in the description if you havent to keep updates
@BumboDClown
@BumboDClown 2 жыл бұрын
You and Vatti right now are the highlights of my KZbin feed. Love the work brother!
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
aw thanks bro
@BotezGambit
@BotezGambit 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid can’t wait for challenge runs
@newenergyexperience434
@newenergyexperience434 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one (; nice job
@pissjug1
@pissjug1 2 жыл бұрын
Dude this is exactly what I've been looking for, thanks for making it
@guidedsoul7914
@guidedsoul7914 Жыл бұрын
Invaders with unlimited HP hacks: i don't fear any attacks but that thing *Eclipse shotel* Invaders with unlimited HP hacks: "It scares me"
@swollenstrudel9883
@swollenstrudel9883 2 жыл бұрын
Ive been waiting for this video :D
@dinoking189
@dinoking189 2 жыл бұрын
Man, these videos are always fun to watch.
@Notghouly
@Notghouly Жыл бұрын
I hope we get another death blight weapon in the eventual dlc I love the death blight effect so very satisfying
@GothelGrigore
@GothelGrigore 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve loved this weapon for quite a while, but I didn’t think it was strong enough. Thank you!!!
@picapes
@picapes 2 жыл бұрын
I always wanted to do a build with the eclipse shotel, but I suck at making builds :D Thank you for this
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
u dont suck ur amazing
@joshdemetri1824
@joshdemetri1824 2 жыл бұрын
Yessssss, I was so hyped for thisssssss
@ryanc7374
@ryanc7374 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck on finals homie. Thanks for all you do
@jonaichi_09
@jonaichi_09 2 жыл бұрын
Your content is amazing as always
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
thanks homie
@ashleygollin7150
@ashleygollin7150 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always.
@zp9331
@zp9331 2 жыл бұрын
Finally I've been waiting for something like this I needed help doing a death blight build i just think its such a cool animation
@darktimber13
@darktimber13 2 жыл бұрын
I continue to watch every episode of mathematically correct Elden Ring videos as pledged
@Psycholgia
@Psycholgia 2 жыл бұрын
I just realised If you sl1 the elden ring to rush the shotel you have an unholy surprise for early invades without ruining your summon range
@schhhh
@schhhh 2 жыл бұрын
congratulations, you discovered PvP twinking :)
@Psycholgia
@Psycholgia 2 жыл бұрын
@@schhhh you have no idea how crushed I felt after sl1'ing dsr only to discover that they added weapon matchmaking
@redactedredacted2982
@redactedredacted2982 2 жыл бұрын
Finally. I've been waiting a long time for this
@IsraTheBlack
@IsraTheBlack 2 жыл бұрын
have you tried using this with the Sword of Milos' ash of war which reduces all damage negation and status resistances for nearby foes. Would have loved to see how much of a difference the status negation debuff would make.
@skcroutons8213
@skcroutons8213 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant 👏 👌
@BitesTheDusto
@BitesTheDusto 2 жыл бұрын
Came across somebody with your instant sleep build. Unlucky for him I already saw the video and punished him😈
@shivernaut8607
@shivernaut8607 2 жыл бұрын
this is what ive been waiting for!
@Sugoiunlimited
@Sugoiunlimited 2 жыл бұрын
Brooooo you are so devious for this😭😭
@alpacaofthemountain8760
@alpacaofthemountain8760 3 ай бұрын
Great video as always
@Pyrokess
@Pyrokess 2 жыл бұрын
absolutely devious little gremlin
@arukzy-8237
@arukzy-8237 2 жыл бұрын
Not even playing/watching elden ring content anymore but I will never skip your mathematically correct builds 😂
@ELFudgeOreos
@ELFudgeOreos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting the numbers. I'm only loosely following the meta so having a reference point is great for me
@coldandafraid
@coldandafraid Жыл бұрын
Okay so ive decided to subscribe because you're now my favorite elden ring youtuber, congratulations
@raymundodunton1843
@raymundodunton1843 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I could give you 50 likes, this is exactly what I have been wanting to do but I kill them before the blight is active. Also I would love to see a perfumer build
@Mkg917
@Mkg917 2 жыл бұрын
You really our stats king my dude thanks for the info
@Stormerzombi
@Stormerzombi 2 жыл бұрын
I got here knowing how the shotel works and thinking a op death build is impossible. The crossbow trick dropped my jaw
@AMetalWorld
@AMetalWorld 2 жыл бұрын
Man your content consistently impresses me. Aside from the build variety and dedication to research and execution, you have ever more excellent taste in games and music, and I for one am fully here for it
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
thanks bro i just have a lot of fun :D
@hakant4582
@hakant4582 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the great video!
@syrobe
@syrobe Ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! More videos once the Elden Ring DLC comes out soon be sure to stay subscribed and turn notifications on
@catshogun4659
@catshogun4659 2 жыл бұрын
damn... i sub to you cuz this is good content
@VinceOmega
@VinceOmega 2 жыл бұрын
I heard Move Me from RR Type 4 at the end in the background there. You got good taste my man.
@grayautry3419
@grayautry3419 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been searching and searching for a Blight build LETS GOO
@tomschlaiss5735
@tomschlaiss5735 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid, well done, cheers 🎶✌
@bbwizard2941
@bbwizard2941 2 жыл бұрын
Dude changing the pvp meta again. Other youtubers all gonna talk about this the coming days without crediting this man for bringing it to the public
@nevvshadow2245
@nevvshadow2245 2 жыл бұрын
I already encountered this build in an lvl 30 +6 invasion. The host held me hostage with backstabbing be while I got blighted. Wich resulted in an animation lock, because as soon as I got up from the ground I got blighted from the game again. That basically made me his hostage because he was backstabbing me with his fist... Let's say it wasn't fun.
@biigsmokee
@biigsmokee Жыл бұрын
Probably hilarious for him
@primecalibur
@primecalibur 2 жыл бұрын
I was just trying this last week in pvp and only got a few blight kills - but I wasn't using sleep bolts, that's pretty smart.
@TheVeryAngryShrimp
@TheVeryAngryShrimp Жыл бұрын
The use of the second Death Note opening (What's Up People by Maximum the Hormone) in the beginning was _fantastic._
@rynanjc
@rynanjc 2 жыл бұрын
Hoah! Very nice build. In the pvp challanges i would like to see some only daggers run. I saw very few of those.
@gknight8643
@gknight8643 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to see your pve challenge runs!
@theloneant
@theloneant 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Frozen Needle rapier build please!
@Sadeyr
@Sadeyr 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the mathematically correct videos, always so fun to watch. I noticed people pvping around 120-125 lately rather than 150, is the meta shifting down towards old souls numbers?
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
the higher level you go the shorter the fights are.
@mulhollanddrivehobo6910
@mulhollanddrivehobo6910 2 жыл бұрын
I dont care i will still play at 150, fuck pvp elitists.
@cozstar11
@cozstar11 Жыл бұрын
Great vid man, more where that came from XD
@coffeeknight2353
@coffeeknight2353 2 жыл бұрын
Gl on your finals king
@xXscissors_61Xx
@xXscissors_61Xx 2 жыл бұрын
Just gotta say, you using the Mgs2 Fatman boss music in the invasions made my day.
@flon6400
@flon6400 2 жыл бұрын
Can you help me with finding the song? Its so funky and I'm either too stupid to find it or it has a different name D:
@misbahprayoga4181
@misbahprayoga4181 2 жыл бұрын
Babe wake up new syrobe video
@igmantis
@igmantis Жыл бұрын
Loving the kingdom hearts menu sfx with new photos on screen. I actually really wanna use that sound in tutorial videos too...
@gabrielfranchino2996
@gabrielfranchino2996 2 жыл бұрын
I knew you would do this, I knew it the exact instant I saw it on the main sub lol
@thatguy55
@thatguy55 2 жыл бұрын
That 100k is on the way🙏
@cloudslikebears
@cloudslikebears 2 жыл бұрын
love these build videos, dude. you gotta stop though. i'm running out of space for new characters and every one of you builds makes me want to try it. 🤣
@LampseekerForevermore
@LampseekerForevermore 2 жыл бұрын
I am a serious fan of death blight, it’s such a cool status effect and, balanced by its slow buildup, it makes decent builds. Would be great if more weapons could get it, such as death blight buffs or ashes.
@pluggedmountain
@pluggedmountain 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. If bleed is reigned in a bit and, like you said, we had more options w/ death blight besides the shotel, we'd be chilling.
@Tyrantdrache
@Tyrantdrache 2 жыл бұрын
its not balanced at all if you use it with fires deadly sin everyone dies in just one second and you don't even need to hit them just roll around them
@Zman2598
@Zman2598 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tyrantdrache the fixed that in the first patch
@LampseekerForevermore
@LampseekerForevermore 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tyrantdrache that has long been patched
@LampseekerForevermore
@LampseekerForevermore 2 жыл бұрын
@@pluggedmountain many enemies already use a death blight weapon buff, just let us have one, or at least other death blight weapons than the shotel
@Von_Craven
@Von_Craven Жыл бұрын
the posing next to the tarnished trees is uncalled for bm, i love it.
@topcat59
@topcat59 2 жыл бұрын
Cool build.😺
@aaronmichaels9136
@aaronmichaels9136 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for the rage gaming videos people to steal this
@ms_fishsticks
@ms_fishsticks 2 жыл бұрын
I finish my keystones and my reward is a syrobe video, yes, this is nice... truly perfection. Also congrats on 70k :)
@dark9night210
@dark9night210 2 жыл бұрын
Keystones suck
@ms_fishsticks
@ms_fishsticks 2 жыл бұрын
They're not that bad, just really fucking annoying since the only thing I can do when I finish is read manga I already read
@sigma20xx
@sigma20xx 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you were already working on this, or saw my request for it. But either way, than you!!!
@FlakkaStealth
@FlakkaStealth Жыл бұрын
They build is hilarious love it
@snozjam2289
@snozjam2289 2 жыл бұрын
what a lad
@costumedjoe4995
@costumedjoe4995 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Ragegamingvideos to make this exact video in like 2 days
@tristanorchard9258
@tristanorchard9258 2 жыл бұрын
maybe not everyones opinion, but personally I have been loving these pvp videos, and I think the market of challenge runs is a bit saturated.
@porkerpete7722
@porkerpete7722 2 жыл бұрын
Ik I don't care about beating the game with only this trash setup
@Reifernn
@Reifernn 2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to come up with new builds every couple days that's viable which is probably why he's spreading to other content
@tristanorchard9258
@tristanorchard9258 2 жыл бұрын
@@Reifernn very true. Still, a mathematically correct madness build would be dope to see
@craigslaunwhite579
@craigslaunwhite579 Жыл бұрын
I’ve discovered that death blight nullifies the Sacrificial Twig talisman and Twiggy Cracked tear. I was blighted by the Death Blight Giant and still lost all my tunes.
@yungmalaria
@yungmalaria 2 жыл бұрын
I had somebody pinged this in my discord like I didn't know about this build after making a video on it myself. But you really only need the base requirements for the shotel and the pulleybow because you can't really increase the deathblight buildup however you can use an equip load flask or high endurance and carry multiple pulleybows. The build is pretty easy to counter, they have to be pretty close to you to even land more bolts after landing a sleep, and you need about 9-10 bolts to get a deathblight. And all of this is prevented by uses the respective boluses and a ring that boost vitality will let you take another 5-6 bolts I bet. I think Ive seen people Iframe the deathblight proc too but I am not sure because most people dont even know what this build does when I used it.
@tiller2473
@tiller2473 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy tonight’s duels are gonna be interesting
@GrowlieDave
@GrowlieDave 2 жыл бұрын
DUDE! I ask, you give! Absolutely amazing! I love the design of the shotel, as for the glitch, eh... in a world of power builds and R.O.B spammers i dont think its that bad to use it
@Cybersomnia
@Cybersomnia Жыл бұрын
I found that using St. Trina's torch you can do something similar Hard to pull off but using the torch skill with your coated shotel builds deathblight really fast
@Big_Buppo
@Big_Buppo 2 жыл бұрын
Solid research.
@smokeythebeast8288
@smokeythebeast8288 2 жыл бұрын
that's all good and all and super useful but the real MVP is the Beast torch shutting down the death frogs LMFAO
@kaleelbarner
@kaleelbarner 2 жыл бұрын
All i can think is how devious you are for this
@GameOnWithTony
@GameOnWithTony 2 жыл бұрын
Much success with your finals.
@vengefulretreat
@vengefulretreat 2 жыл бұрын
Elden Ring is just the gift that keeps on giving
@Matt-tc6uw
@Matt-tc6uw 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the Kingdom Hearts sound effects
@sheperd5592
@sheperd5592 2 жыл бұрын
best build maker in the game
@jeshi1779
@jeshi1779 2 жыл бұрын
I tried those weapons you use for sleep but with scarlet rot and its amazing
@drewbryant8481
@drewbryant8481 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for everyone that was doing this but with blood flame will now be doing it with deathblight
@Tuariq1
@Tuariq1 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your finals! I can't imagine how hard it must be to constantly pump out videos and simultaneously create this quality of content!!
@syrobe
@syrobe 2 жыл бұрын
its been pretty hard if im honest ive sacrificed a lot of personal health care for it but its my passion so i wouldnt have it any other way
@UnderseaGreenMonkey
@UnderseaGreenMonkey Жыл бұрын
That’s sick.
@TheMrMurtle
@TheMrMurtle Жыл бұрын
Great content my dude. Please get a pop filter though. I can't wait to give this a try on my faith character :D
@duckeggcarbonara
@duckeggcarbonara 2 жыл бұрын
This is nuts
@OlExtraRegularBass
@OlExtraRegularBass Жыл бұрын
I'm feelin' it!
@Gr0g0811
@Gr0g0811 2 жыл бұрын
Banger video, ty for turbo cancer build
@SayanGamer11
@SayanGamer11 2 жыл бұрын
Now this is a fine replacement for my bleed build.
@presidentofthegalaxy784
@presidentofthegalaxy784 Жыл бұрын
“This is deathblight! This is so much deathblight that I can feel the godwyns growing on my back!”
@bilowik123
@bilowik123 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly with how high damage output is in this game I don’t know why there aren’t more ways to apply death blight, like you said you pretty much have to use it unupgraded to even get it to proc. Even without without minmaxing it’s dps, you will still always kill before it procs.
@togte0k579
@togte0k579 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a all flame build that'd be awesome
@thestormkage
@thestormkage 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait till ragegamingvideos makes a video acting like they made this
@Zallufer
@Zallufer 2 жыл бұрын
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@VeetiM
@VeetiM Жыл бұрын
ok so I went and used some robots and spreadsheets and... lowest weight for 61 poise comes from omen greaves and veteran's chest to save points in endurance keeping in theme I kept sacred scorpion charm, despite disagreeing with the downside, and the rest of the talismans, which I think are fine but I switched two fingers heirloom for green turtle talisman, for the smexy stam recovery this, with a single exlipse shotel in hand, only requires 14 endurance!! saving a whole 16 points over the build you're using (also pls switch your seal to something that weighs nothing, erdtree seal or frenzied flame seal) the cost of the weapon art itself is only 16 FP so you only need 11 mind to cross 80 fp, to use it 5 times in a row which is why you want to start on samurai: and you can allocate stats like this 60-vigor 11-mind(minimmum) 14-endurance 12-strength(minimum) 40-dexterity 9-intelligence(minimum) 50-faith 8-arcane(minimum) why 40/50 in power stats instead of 50/40 as shown in the video? SlugBot did calculations, and this way you get higher AR if you want to wield 2 eclipse shotels, move 2 points from dexterity to endurance. if you want to wield the crossbow you'll want to start with vagabond instead, and drop dexterity all the way down to 34, and get 17 endurance and the 16 strength required for the repeating/pulley crossbow and if you want both extra weapons you'll need 19 endurance, which will cost more points from dexterity (these last few claims haven't been confirmed by a robot, so it might be more optimal for ar to start dropping points from faith, but I doubt it)
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