MATHEWS PHASE 4 VS ELITE OMNIA - Mathews doesn't suck

[@topmodstv3682]

I just got done shooting both phase 4’s, the Omnia, Hoyt VTM, bowtech, and a Darton. To be honest they’re all so damn good I had a hard time deciding. I went with the phase 4 29. It’s my first new bow in years so the little differences don’t matter as much to me. If you get a new bow every year they probably come into play a little more.

[@mine8009]

I literally just did a similar comparison last night. I’m looking at new bows and had narrowed to down to the Elite Omnia, the Mathew’s Phase 4 33, and the PSE Fortis (the latter at the recommendation of my local shop). For me, the Elite felt better on all fronts when compared to the Mathews. The balance and stability difference for me was night and day. I felt like I had to wrestle the Mathews to keep it vertical, while the Elite just went there and stayed there.

[@kevinwyncoop633]

Thanks!

[@tsi-rocket4144]

Mathew's grip isn't preferred, strings suck(zebra stings were toast inside of 500 arrows), the bows are top heavy, the draw cycle has a double hump and a dump into the valley, you need modules to adjust draw length(bought 2 for 60$ each), and have to buy tophats to tune(60$ which I had to do). But you get bridge lock, pic mount for the rest, switch weight, and a bow that is slightly quieter than the omnia. Omnia has a better draw, better valley, better balance, favored grip, much better strings(up around 3400 arrows without any issues and cam timing is still dead on), easy tunability(shot bullet holes within the first 2 arrows @6' with the recommended center shot and still shoot bullet holes so for me the SET tuning system hasn't mattered yet), 1/4" draw adjustments, and letoff adjustments. But you don't get any fancy ways to mount a sight or rest with elite and you don't get rubber between the limbs. It depends on preference and how you use your bow. I shoot a lot and have no desire to own a mathew's that cost more to setup with their fancy accessories, garbage strings, expensive draw modules, and outdated and expensive tuning setup. If you shoot to sight in your bow, hunt, and then shelf it until next season than you will more than likely never see the issues I have with mathew's. Mathew's makes a good shooting bow I will not argue that, to me it comes down to heavy use and the expense of shooting a mathew's. I can also go on about hoyt's warranty, 9wk lead time to get parts and horrible tuning experience(2x hoyt carbon bows) but we will save that for another day. I won't say the omnia is the best bow as that comes down to personal preference but it has been stellar in reliability with high use which fits my needs.

[@shadmeacham3164]

Like others have said a slightly better comparison would be the phase 4 33. Its a little slower at 336 ibo. Also should pull the grip off and put side plates on. I do agree that the mathews bows are top heavy. Other than that i love my phase 4. All comes down to the person and what they feel is comfortable. Great review!

[@adamament6882]

I’m gonna be honest I never really understood why people dislike a bow entirely just because of its grip when you’re not actually gripping the bow. As long as the back of the grip that’s facing, you is completely flat then it doesn’t really matter. It’s like they say Hoyts have the best grip and when I grab a Hoyt bow, that’s true but you’re not completely gripping the boat like that so I don’t really understand why people hate it so much.

[@HaxenHunt]

It’s not a flat grip, that’s why. When you’re able to tell the difference of how a grip changes the way the bow performs you’ll understand. Nothing wrong with the bow… just the grip🤷🏼‍♂️

[@CalebSmith87]

I don't think you listened to him very closely lol

[@CalebSmith87]

I shot both sizes of phase 4 and the omnia several times and chose the omnia. I think it just had a slight edge on everything other than nosie but i though both bows were great personally. I will say I've been shooting anywhere from 30 to 100 arrows a day with my omnia and after getting everything dialed in just right i couldn't be happier. It's been great.

[@dewetrobertson1752]

Omnia is the bow of the year 2023

[@tpoe98]

Shrewd makes a $40 grip as a nice replacement for the stock engage grip. Funny thing is, I traded my omnia in on a phase 4

[@gregpeterson6790]

I love the look of that Elite Omnia. I would have to say that if I were in the Market for a new bow, I would definitely try it out, along with the phase4, and some others. I shoot a Mathews VXR, and have had it since brand new. I shot it with the original grip on it for a solid year. I didn’t seem to dislike it as much as you. I, however, put the side plates on it and noticed quite an upgrade on the grip. I would definitely recommend anyone shooting a later model Mathews bow to do the same. Great video as usual!

[@ethanhayden9192]

Just some constructive criticism. I don’t think you can provide an accurate comparison between any bows that are not set to your length. Each bow will obviously feel not as good if it’s not set up correctly. It would just help to standardize your testing I think. Other than that, I think you nailed it! I had it down to these two, and the VTM and ended up going with the hoyt this year.

[@HaxenHunt]

Appreciate that!! I like to have them at 30” as much as possible to go over the speeds… but I like your perspective of having them set up as good to me as possible! Appreciate the support! And that Vtm is a killer bow🤘🏼

[@mikemellon80]

Good point. A bow that’s an inch long for me feels so weird that I’m sure I wouldn’t like it at all.

[@brucehillbillybarthalow3786]

Great comparison/review. I thought the mathews was going to do the crocodile death roll. I shot a couple some years ago and didn't like the grip then. Elite is a great bow with all the adjustments.

[@dariocardona2805]

With regards to the Mathews’ grip, I’ve never had an issue with it. I’ve tested other brands and never had an issue with their grips either.

[@HaxenHunt]

good to hear that! Just curious, do you own a Mathews and whats the furthest distance you typically shoot?

[@dariocardona2805]

⁠@@HaxenHunt, Hope you are well. I do not own a Mathew’s, I shoot a 65 #, 40% let off American Archer wooden compound bow I bought new in the early 80s. I shot it bare bow for may years. I shoot it out to 30 yards. I put some cheap sights on it and changed from shooting fingers to a release probably around around 10 years ago. At that time I started to look at the newer compound bows and was amazed of the accuracy improvements with these bows which prompted me to start to look at them. In reality most of the bows were out of my price range. However, now I have enough money to purchase a bow this year, which is how I came across your review. I enjoy your review style and your explanation of how it feels while you shoot it. Anyway, thank you for your reviews.

[@Joelfrickinjohnson]

Why the omnia and not the era ? Carbon ?

[@HaxenHunt]

Mathews guys can’t handle a carbon bow against their aluminum 😂

[@Joelfrickinjohnson]

@@HaxenHunt imo I think the era is more dead in hand than the 29 even

[@HaxenHunt]

I’ll for sure put them in a battle at some point!

[@Joelfrickinjohnson]

@@HaxenHunt or the rx7 vs the era even or maybe even a 3 way 🙈 vs the carbon one

[@jasonard7227]

not a fan of the grip everything else I love. shot both bows for me its not even close the Mathews all day I dont have the balance issue you have bow holds like a rock and mine is faster then yours maybe the chrono gives us different readings?

[@HaxenHunt]

Glad you love it!! What arrow weight do you have and what’s your bows setup?

[@ILhunter23]

I could never get used the the mathews grip. I swapped it out to the ultraview . Will probably switch to a bowtech next

[@HaxenHunt]

Dope!!!

[@MrPritch28]

I Shot a bunch of bows for 2023. Both these bows made my list but the Mathews just fit me better and felt better for me… I’m no fan boy either, came from a prime. There was a lot of good bows for 2023

[@sinepari9160]

You're doing some of if not the best bow reviews on youtube imo. No one else talks about timing, grip comfort, draw comfort, string angle, and chronos arrows up to 520gr to show efficiency. Those are all serious things to consider with all new bows. I do not like the matthews grip being a long time PSE fan but that can be remedied. .

[@HaxenHunt]

Thank you so much!! Appreciate the support! I’m learning A LOT of channels that are employees at shops are pulled in one direction or the other due to shop owners filtering out their honest opinions. I want to change that and give honest reviews and not “only positive” stuff so shops can sell bows. I’ve been called out by one of the biggest shops in the country for hurting feelings about the phase 4😅 I won’t make everyone happy but that’s not my goal, goal is to give accurate good bad comparisons! Thanks again for the support!!

[@sinepari9160]

@@HaxenHunt You're killing it brother, not withstanding hard feelings from the fanboys. Keep it up!

[@HaxenHunt]

👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽

[@shawnsmith3948]

I'm shooting 552gn arrows out of my omnia at 279fps and that's with smooth mods.

[@paolo5701]

Faster despite the longer ATA, more stable, more adjustable, you don't have to change the grip, costs 100 USD less. I think we have a clear winner here.

[@orlandoagostinho6615]

One shot with V3X , pulled rubber grip off. Run it ✅ with 3m grip tape strip. Doesn’t feel as comfortable as my first bow. Which is an elite basin 😅. Thanks for your videos,like that you don’t shoot 350 grain arrows

[@michaelcolthart4006]

Shrewd makes a great engage replacement grip that is about half the price of the UV.

[@HaxenHunt]

thats another great option!

[@chengsterboi07]

I personally like how the elite shoots better for me than the mathews. Both are great bows but elite has a better grip and hold for me. The ease of tuning and tech they have wins it for me. I still prefer my bowtech but it was a close call between my top three which were the bowtech, elite, and PSE.

[@keystonestatebowmen3128]

Never been a fan of the Mathews grip. First thing I did on my V3X 33 was get a set of side plates. That being said I’m running an Omnia and SS34 this year.

[@HaxenHunt]

So dope!! Thanks for the input!!

[@justinlloyd9342]

Elite doesn’t have that much draw weight adjustment 2 turns per limb unless that was changed this year

[@justinlloyd9342]

Also I think the Mathews grip is not to bad but I do agree I don’t like how the riser is real flat where the riser meets the grip. And I was always a huge fan of the older elite grips there’s never been a better grip made far as I’m concerned

[@paolo5701]

It has 10# adjustable draw weight. It is only 3 turns but you can also have 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 turn so it is fully adjustable.

[@WantedOutdoors]

Why don’t you take the Mathew’s grip off and put on side plates and try it?

[@butleroutdoors2188]

I’ve never liked the mathews grip. I have always had to forcibly torque my hand to get it to shoot well.

[@chrisunruh6485]

Now this video is awesome! I complained on a video of you comparing elite to Hoyt because you shoot Hoyt. This was much less of a bias opinion I think. By the way, I bought the Hoyt after complaining. lol

[@HaxenHunt]

😂😂😂😂

[@bham311]

The grip on the Mathews isn’t unbearable, but I agree that it’s hard to get comfortable with. Great video, keep them coming!

[@ClaytonCowboy509]

First thing I did was replace the grip with side plates..... much better shooting experience

[@HaxenHunt]

Appreciate it! It’s for sure a personal preference! Side plates will fit the majority more comfortable

[@raphael6488]

The reflex on the mathews is insane.

[@unadillariveroutdoors9690]

The mathews grip is one that I have a hard time getting consistent hand placement with. The new elite grip is decent but I always preferred the older style of the synergy and impulse series grips.

[@j-yakk]

I definitely jumped on that giveaway! I hope I win! Also, great review as always. I almost went home with the Omnia...love that bow! Any plans to do a top 5 bows for 2023!?;

[@travisjones5503]

I have the phase 4 29in and hate the grip

[@HaxenHunt]

I’m glad I’m not the only one!! It’s a good bow! I just wish they’d change the grip! Haha

[@Tony-fish1]

Side plates on grip

[@HuntsT]

Love elite. Hate their parts availability. Stopped making/having replacement limbs for my bow 4 years after launch. That's terrible.

[@adamredden2007]

Man.... that sucks.

[@TheDadHuntCo.]

Another great review! 🔥🔥

[@selflesssoftwash]

With the smooth mods, the Omnia really is an outstanding bow.

[@jeffevans4598]

Second on the smooth mod, so much better.

[@jayminer9416]

And it's still a fast bow with the smooth mods.

[@adamredden2007]

​@jayminer9416 What would you say the difference in speed is on average between the mods? I know this is an older video but I'm looking to upgrade for the first time in 16 years and the Elites are tempting.

[@Zale180]

It's hard for me to get over Mathews grip also. Just one of the reasons I bought an Omnia.

[@owsowmuskwanaistus9213]

if you dont want them lous asf you have to use 500 gr or more the lighter the more loud

[@SidehillDisciples]

You should have used the 33 Ata phase 4... it would have been a better test. Also I love the grip on the phase 4

[@jasonweikel4828]

The 33 would have been more comparable on string angle!!

[@virgilwilliford1581]

Love my Omnia,super smooth draw with the smooth mods,but my Bowtech SX80 draws and holds better at 75 lbs and is quieter too

[@jayminer9416]

I shot the Phase 4 33, V3X 33, SR350, Solution SS, Omen, Ventum 33, EnVision, & Omnia all back to back. All great bows with different feels. I did really like the draw on the SS & EnVision. The SR350 was nice but I wasnt a fan of the grip....couldnt get comfortable. The Hoyt was good all around....as was the Omen but the ease of tuning turned me away.....I dont want to run to the shop every time I need to adjust something. The V3X didnt blow me away, nor did the Phase 4 ( it was really quiet) that grip though......c'mon Mathews..........The hold, lack of shock/vib, tunability and just overall feel of the Omnia won me over.

[@indianabrandon3029]

As a multi time combat veteran and loosing everything after coming home I’d love to get back into bow hunting!!! It used to be my biggest passion in life! For years I shot my hoyt alphamax 32 BC!! I absolutely love Hoyt they make an unbelievable bow

[@alanlo5033]

I own both bows the phase 4 grip is garbage plus it’s top heavy the omnia on the other hand I don’t have one bad thing to say about it

[@l.i.archer5379]

I'll any bow over a current generation Mathews any day. My criteria for choosing a bow is simplicity of tuning and changing strings. Mathews bows are garbage in method of tuning (removing cams, and paying extra for tophats when they should come with every bow). Mathews floating yokes are also stupid, because you can twist out cam lean with static yokes (instead of changing tophats). I like PSE's yoke spacer design where they use static yokes separated by the spacer that has the two yoke legs criss-cross, and you can still yoke tune it somewhat. I'll take the Omnia's tri-track binary cam design all day, every day!!! I'm shoot a 2018 Quest Thrive at 26.5" drawlength, that I bought new last September for $440, from my dealer who couldn't get rid of the last 3 of them. This bow with the 82X aluminum riser is remarkably quiet and dead in the hand after the shot. It also holds steady as a rock and shoots lights-out after I tuned the hell out of it.

[@appalachianpursuit2924]

Well the draw length is way too long on the mathews for you so

[@mrpickles3479]

I got the verdict, it’s a laser beam.

[@toddshumaker2715]

Their grip is horrible. I’ve done 2 different aftermarket grips and finally found side plates that seem to be acceptable. I’m really close to dumping Mathews all together and buying Hoyt!

[@christopherolivas42]

Elite.. I've shot it a few times 👍 that mathews 29 is just too short for me

[@l.i.archer5379]

It's not just you. The Mathews grip is total garbage. Look into getting the BeeReal 2 grip if you're thinking of getting this bow.

[@skylerstevens2336]

I love your video

[@Cparchery...]

I have both phase 4 and the omnia and mathews grip sucks they why ultraview makes a living selling mathews grips

[@robertmiller6822]

Mathews grip sucks, I also don't like hoyts grip so I usually buy ultraview but I prefer to shoot off a riser like elites or pse

[@hermanarmstrong6480]

i agree i hate the mathews grip

[@earlhilde604]

I do not like there grips either

[@presmak25]

Mathews grips are worst of all bows. Swap to side plates or the UV grip, and it is better. Now you are spending another $50-100. The Omnia won bow of the year for a reason, but it has its own faults. You have to know what you are doing setting the Omnia up. If not, the cables rub the cams. I have owned multiple Mathews over the years. This is the first time owning something other than the Mathews, and I won't be going back. Mathews has become a "HIGH END CUSTOMER" bow. That doesn't suit well with me.

[@denniskay8178]

Mathews grip is terrible! I would take the Elite Omnia hands down

[@chasesomethingoutdoors5081]

Personal opinion Matthews group worst in the game

[@HaxenHunt]

Like the people?😂😂😂

[@chasesomethingoutdoors5081]

Lol got to love autocorrect it was supposed to say grip 😂😂😂

[@HaxenHunt]

Makes sense😂😂😂

[@jameswilson5562]

I shot both and took the omnia home

[@chasesomethingoutdoors5081]

I shot everything this year except for the PSE aluminums and Elite bows. I decided to stick with my Prime Inline 1 nothing seemed like much of a change this year to me. I really like the new Prime but I don't like the set mod I go through bows too often I like the resale of an adjustable mod.

[@orlandoagostinho6615]

Rip the grip off