2000 years unsolved: Why is doubling cubes and squaring circles impossible?

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@akap
@akap 4 жыл бұрын
When I want to double a cube, I just pull out my complex ruler and e^i(pi) compass and get to work. Easy.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 4 жыл бұрын
:)
@nanamacapagal8342
@nanamacapagal8342 3 жыл бұрын
No wait. You're supposed to use e^iπ to square the circle. Save it for that.
@lukahutinski9075
@lukahutinski9075 3 жыл бұрын
I just set pi to 113/355 and boom squered the circle.... even euclid says its fine xD
@RomanHold
@RomanHold 3 жыл бұрын
I just take the next dice out of my pocket and then I got 2 dice.
@msolec2000
@msolec2000 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukahutinski9075 Almost. That is 1/pi. pi itself is 355/113. :)
@bobfenz3184
@bobfenz3184 4 жыл бұрын
I was a physics student at the University of Arizona in the 1970s and stumbled on a retired gentleman (my age now) at a Swensons coffee shop who was prodigiously working on geometric constructions with a ruler and compass. He explained to me what he was doing, squaring a circle, trisecting angles. I looked at his work and was amazed at the number of books he had compiled and his efforts. We became friends over coffee and discussed his progress and life in general. He had many words of wisdom for a young man in very turbulent times and he was also certain he could solve these problems with a ruler and compass. Then suddenly, he disappeared one day never to return to the coffee shop. Later I was told by a friend that he returned to Long Island and passed away. Another traveler in time trying to tackle difficult problems. His name was Bruce Stegmann from Port Washington, New York. A good friend.
@1SLMusic
@1SLMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, mad respect for you dude. Sometimes that’s the way it goes.
@I_SuperHiro_I
@I_SuperHiro_I 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love those kind of run-ins.
@crazyraptor2907
@crazyraptor2907 2 жыл бұрын
Oh I had an internet version of this I was replying to some fellow about my kinks and happened to look at his about me and said that he could teach you anything about physics and I was just getting into physics and mathmatics(also this is quite recent just three or 4 months ago I think) so I asked him about books for mathematics and if I should read the Feynman physics books and he was true to his words so he then recommend me the book and gave advice to focus on algebra to not have problems.Also yeah edit:can't find his reply so rip I can't tell him about my progress
@goldfishi5776
@goldfishi5776 11 ай бұрын
Time travel is far more comfortable than its abrupt halt. He should have left markers incase of a repetitious universe 🤷‍♂️
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Finally, a crazily busy semester here in Australia is almost over. Just some end-of-semester exams left to finalise next week, a short trip to Japan and then I should have a bit more time for making Mathologer videos for the rest of the year. Can’t wait. Anyway, today's video is about the resolution of four problems that remained open for over 2000 years from when they were first puzzled over in ancient Greece: Is it possible, just using an ideal mathematical ruler and an ideal mathematical compass, to double cubes, trisect angles, construct regular heptagons, or to square circles? Towards the end of a pure maths degree students often have to survive a "boss" course on Galois theory and somewhere in this course they are presented with proofs that it is actually not possible to accomplish any of those four troublesome tasks. These proofs are easy consequences of the very general tools that are developed in Galois theory. However, taken in isolation, it is actually possible to present very accessible proofs that don't require much apart from a certain familiarity with simple proofs by contradiction of the type used to show that numbers like root 2 are irrational. I've been meaning to publish a nice exposition of these "simple" proofs ever since my own Galois theory days a long, long time ago. Finally, today is the day :) If you make it to the end of this 40 minute video please leave a comment below and let me know how well this explanation worked for you.
@danielinfinito6304
@danielinfinito6304 5 жыл бұрын
There is no problem at all!! Take any time you need. I prefer videos of quality, maybe sparse in years, than not as good videos every month. Thank you very much for your time and effort to share with us this amazing "visually enhanced" maths.
@peppybocan
@peppybocan 5 жыл бұрын
question: can you draw a parabola or a graph of x^k (k > 1) with ruler and compass? I dont think so...
@rylaczero3740
@rylaczero3740 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it has been really long time since that turtle video but your content is worth the wait as always. It surely was a bit tough due to lot of algebraic proof in level 3 that you need to follow but it was easy in following levels.
@peppybocan
@peppybocan 5 жыл бұрын
another question: Suppose we break the compass & ruler rule and we will devise a brand new tool, how would that tool work? Can there be a new tool that would give us more power?
@inyobill
@inyobill 5 жыл бұрын
How did you find time to put five forty-hour work weeks worth of effort into this video, in addition to your other obligations?
@mheermance
@mheermance 5 жыл бұрын
The infinite series 1/2 - 1/4 + 1/8 - 1/16 + 1/32 - 1/64 ..., conditionally converges to 1/3. This means that with an infinite number of angle bisections, you can trisect an angle! Normally it takes a while, but my friend Zeno has a magic tortoise that can bisect an angle in half the time as the previous bisection. So the tortoise completes the trisection in a finite amount of time. Pretty spiffy!
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
If you are allowed infinitely many steps you can construct any number whatsoever :)
@cephalosjr.1835
@cephalosjr.1835 4 жыл бұрын
Mathologer Including several numbers that aren’t in the real numbers, including a number that’s larger than any real number and a number that’s larger than 0 and smaller than any positive real number!
@Noname-67
@Noname-67 4 жыл бұрын
@@cephalosjr.1835 With infinite step, constructing some numbers that aren't real number like infinity and infinitesimal isn't a problem, but I don't think there's a way to construct complex number
@sharpfang
@sharpfang 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mathologer And also, within a finite number of steps you can construct any number, to within a satisfactory precision. I'd love to see good, well-convergent constructions of some of these.
@nanamacapagal8342
@nanamacapagal8342 3 жыл бұрын
If you could, you can also construct π (4-4/3+4/5-4/7+4/9-...) and cbrt2 (2^(1/2)/2^(1/4))(2^(1/8)/2^(1/16))... (basically 2^(1/2 - 1/4 + 1/8 - 1/16) but like geometric mean and all that)
@cidlunius1076
@cidlunius1076 4 жыл бұрын
Hey. Compared to the amount of minutes in 2000 years, this video is remarkably short.
@saulpizarro4684
@saulpizarro4684 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@rohangeorge712
@rohangeorge712 2 жыл бұрын
no shi sherlock ;) sorry just wanted to say that
@soundsoflife9549
@soundsoflife9549 6 ай бұрын
I'm sure that with extra circles and more extrapolation, these problems can be solved.
@simonsallen
@simonsallen 5 жыл бұрын
I have been watching this while eating a breakfast bowl of cereal. I was thinking about how much work has gone into preparing the video. Even with a very knowledgeable presenter, it must have taken hours. I was pondering this when the answer popped out. About 200 hours. I am not surprised. The video is an incredible achievement. Thank you Burkard and Marty. This is a video I will be revisiting. A lot.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@ddk1018
@ddk1018 3 жыл бұрын
No way I'm also watching this whilst having my breakfast 😅
@Ma_X64
@Ma_X64 4 жыл бұрын
There are only two students attending a math lecture. Suddenly four of them got up and left. The professor thought with regret: "Well, now two more will come in and there will be no one left at all."
@breinnarn
@breinnarn 4 жыл бұрын
That happened all the time when I last attended math class almost 20 years ago. Students would make deals with one another to write several names on the attendance list, because too low attendance = no grades.
@juliehovar5488
@juliehovar5488 3 жыл бұрын
You are a good human my next clienr will be here. WHETHER us discuss math or earth, be Well. Be nice. Till next time.
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx 3 жыл бұрын
Well, 2 2-4 =-2 If +2 then -2+2=0 But the part that puzzles me is how four left when there were only two? Do we have some Quantom debt or something?
@Ma_X64
@Ma_X64 3 жыл бұрын
))))@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx Math is not afraid of negative values
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ma_X64 _mathematics_ is not afraid of negative values, but what about physics? Chemistry? Biology?
@thedude5295
@thedude5295 4 жыл бұрын
I had a Rubik's cube, and then I went on Amazon and ordered another one and in less than 24 hours later, BAM! I just doubled my cube. Solved in less than a day. Next!
@meddlesomemusic
@meddlesomemusic 4 жыл бұрын
...but did you solve both rubk's cubes?
@appleapp5398
@appleapp5398 4 жыл бұрын
Amazon disagrees - you did not purchase a ruler and compass with that.
@Incognito-rb4tz
@Incognito-rb4tz 4 жыл бұрын
i cut a circle into square. BAM! i just squared the circle. solved in less than 2 minutes. next!
@stephendavis4239
@stephendavis4239 4 жыл бұрын
If that joke were any cheesier, you'd have to contend with a lynch mob of lactose intolerants.
@ridwanbahri6415
@ridwanbahri6415 4 жыл бұрын
@@Бородатый-к2н omg dude chill out, it's just a joke
@mapifisher
@mapifisher 5 жыл бұрын
They said it couldn't be done, But he went right to it And took that thing that couldn't be done And couldn't do it.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@tinozuniga8380
@tinozuniga8380 3 жыл бұрын
And...?
@thatssomethingthathappened9823
@thatssomethingthathappened9823 3 жыл бұрын
I just figured it out. No kidding, even though I’m a kid. I’m also a geek. A total geek.
@thatssomethingthathappened9823
@thatssomethingthathappened9823 3 жыл бұрын
But with a trick, no ruler & compass here
@shivankitss8396
@shivankitss8396 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatssomethingthathappened9823 woah then you must be from Greek
@rc5989
@rc5989 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Such an amazing and carefully constructed video. Also, the important warning about ‘changing the rules’ shows (to me in my opinion) how seriously and solemnly the ethic of education is handled on this channel. You have a very satisfied and excited new subscriber!
@amicloud_yt
@amicloud_yt 3 жыл бұрын
'carefully constructed' _groans_
@rocketpig1914
@rocketpig1914 Жыл бұрын
He doesn't want the deluge of mail claiming solutions to the "unsolvable" problems!
@DanJan09
@DanJan09 5 жыл бұрын
I will have to come back to this video when my head is fresher :)
@RadicalCaveman
@RadicalCaveman 5 жыл бұрын
@MathPencil - Mathematical sense Put one of your MathPencils inside each of DanJan09's ears and make his head fresher!
@chanakyasinha8046
@chanakyasinha8046 5 жыл бұрын
For this you need to be bald
@nicholasmachado3668
@nicholasmachado3668 5 жыл бұрын
I was like #250!
@stonytina01will-not-be-ban78
@stonytina01will-not-be-ban78 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe in a next life, for me.
@dubaiguy86
@dubaiguy86 5 жыл бұрын
Why on earth would you do that?
@reznovvazileski3193
@reznovvazileski3193 5 жыл бұрын
Note to self: If Mathologer says something was explained in a previous video, actually watch the previous video before continuing to watch the video. I made this a lot harder for myself than it needed to be :')
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 5 жыл бұрын
Yup - Pro Tip FTW :-)
@johannkapserschmidt1542
@johannkapserschmidt1542 5 жыл бұрын
Nice Easter egg at 13:25 with captions on. Well done Karl.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
I'll have to have a chat with Karl tomorrow :)
@31b41a59l26u53
@31b41a59l26u53 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mathologer If you cannot find him: last time I saw him he was at 13:25... :-)
@rylaczero3740
@rylaczero3740 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mathologer Haha your kid is cool.
@RadicalCaveman
@RadicalCaveman 5 жыл бұрын
This wouldn't be Karl Kilroy, would it?
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
@@RadicalCaveman No, this is Karl . kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5TIYa2qrbN8eqs . except he is now taller than me :)
@MrCheeze
@MrCheeze 5 жыл бұрын
Not enough comments here are talking about how amazingly accessible you made these advanced topics. Very well done.
@benjaminbrady2385
@benjaminbrady2385 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you too are a Mathologer viewer, MrCheeze. Also, I agree immensely - Mathologer is amazingly accessible
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@bismuth7730
@bismuth7730 3 жыл бұрын
I dont even know math but your personality and enthusiasm has drawn me to watch
@dudono1744
@dudono1744 3 жыл бұрын
Read the rules (they're called axioms) and hope that you don't encounter impossible problem
@Supremebubble
@Supremebubble 5 жыл бұрын
Every time I see a video on this channel I secretly hope it is a long one. I feel happy now :)
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Well, this one is the second longest Mathologer video so far :)
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mathologer Time that record fell :-)
@Niminos91
@Niminos91 5 жыл бұрын
I want to share something uncommon (maybe, in fact I don't know) I am a french student in master's degree (Paris XI) who recently went through a course in Galois Theory (soberly named "Algèbre"). It was tough and waaaaay too short to really understand the ideas. The exam went pretty poorly for me because of that. These kind of videos are therefore precious resources for me: I can recognize all the tools we had to use (extension fields etc.) in a way that clearly go into why we need them and how they work. That part was rather cryptic before. Since I also want to be a teacher, that video (with some others, and on many subjects !) is a great gift in that respect. I really wanted to thank you for that. You are a great professor.
@Niminos91
@Niminos91 5 жыл бұрын
@@jcd-k2s Hm Tu extrapoles beaucoup ce que je dis mais bon pourquoi pas XI c'est 11 hein... donc Paris 11 (ou Paris Sud)
@andrewkarsten5268
@andrewkarsten5268 2 жыл бұрын
quelle partie avez-vous considéré comme rare?
@t.e.fcastle1069
@t.e.fcastle1069 5 жыл бұрын
Nice work, I remember when I studied Galois Theory, good times, well it was actually last semester but seems like eons ago.
@RadicalCaveman
@RadicalCaveman 5 жыл бұрын
What's happened since to make it seem so distant? Love? Sickness? A new, nasty branch of mathematics you have to learn?
@jonnysmpr
@jonnysmpr 4 жыл бұрын
It’s gotta be employment.
@TechnoGlobalist
@TechnoGlobalist 5 жыл бұрын
This is the most healthy, uncorrupted commend section on the whole of KZbin edit: and positive
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud 5 жыл бұрын
Thus proving the effectiveness of irrational roots as an Eedjit Deterrent (TM) :-)
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 5 жыл бұрын
This comment section isn't just positive: it's far more complex, so be real. Otherwise we won't be able to have a rational conversation.
@noahegler9131
@noahegler9131 4 жыл бұрын
Here is a true story regarding your comment: In the year 1864, professional arm wrestler Stanley Von Armbro was challenged by an unknown wanderer. The wanderer sat at the table in front of him and removed his coat unveiling massive bulging biceps that seemed gelatinous yet firm like weathered ball sacks. He uttered a single word to him: “poopoo.” He then grabbed Stanley’s arm and slammed it through the table and 6 feet into the ground. His pulsating veins exploded, filling the hole with poop and burying Stanley alive. The wanderer then slowly walked out of the bar and flapped away with his massive deflated arm sacks, never to be seen again. This is where we get the phrase “Work your biceps full of poop or you’ll die probably.” Have a wonderful day
@jazzabighits4473
@jazzabighits4473 4 жыл бұрын
At 28 minutes you say we feel a little rooted as they say in Australia. In Australia rooted means you had sex
@want-diversecontent3887
@want-diversecontent3887 4 жыл бұрын
F*ck you
@ConsciousAtoms
@ConsciousAtoms 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. It was a wonderful presentation on a usually very stuffy and difficult subject. I honestly cannot say that I (PhD applied maths) was able to follow everything while I was watching the video, but it showed me one very important thing: that I skipped numebr theory, Galois theory, extension fields and so on for all the wrong reasons when I was studying maths at uni. If they had explained to me then that it would give a lot of insight into the boundaries of what is possible with Euclid's geometry I would have been all over it.
@manuc.260
@manuc.260 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, I spend the whole video waiting for a Galois level, I'm glad I wasn't disappointed!
@richardschreier3866
@richardschreier3866 5 жыл бұрын
This video is full of some lovely gems. The construction of a regular pentagon using 4 intermediate circles and one intermediate line was my personal favourite and I have shared this with friends. (To prove the method works, I solved for the coordinates of the key points and used the fact that cos(pi/5) is (1+root(5))/4 and that cos(2*pi/5) is (-1+root(5))/4. Not elegant, but it got me there.) The description of the rooty-expression subfield and the consequence that certain geometric constructions are not possible provides closure for more decades-old gaps in my math knowledge. (I am ashamed to admit that I forgot the rational root theorem and had to re-watch that video.) Thanks for putting this video together. Your enthusiasm for the subject combined with your depth of knowledge is a wonder to behold. No one can get the the "root" of the problem like you can!
@JonStoneable
@JonStoneable 3 жыл бұрын
Nice pun! And thank you for the mathematical insight! I still haven't fully worked it out, but I searched the comments for a comment like yours and am glad to have found it!
@brunoandrades5530
@brunoandrades5530 5 жыл бұрын
These are really the only long videos I can stand; and I actually enjoy them a lot; you explain very clearly and I understand every thing you do. Thank you for such good content
@andrewmcginley5946
@andrewmcginley5946 4 жыл бұрын
There were quite a few places where I just went, “that makes sense,” without proving it to myself, but I felt like I followed the whole video.
@BernCaffe
@BernCaffe 4 жыл бұрын
I love your T-shirt. I can't take my eyes off it. I need one just like it.
@mavwavesify
@mavwavesify 4 жыл бұрын
Construct one using only ruler and compass for your homework
@BernCaffe
@BernCaffe 4 жыл бұрын
@@mavwavesify have done! I created it digitally and am sending it off to get it printed.
@gutierrezaguilarianalberto4186
@gutierrezaguilarianalberto4186 4 жыл бұрын
Same! Just got to the comments to say that but you beat me to it lol. Quite adequate election of shirt too.
@chrisguli2865
@chrisguli2865 4 жыл бұрын
If I stare at the shirt pattern for more than 30 seconds, I can see the 12th dimension.
@SatanicDesolation
@SatanicDesolation 4 жыл бұрын
Check Dodecahedron - Kwintessens album cover
@papa515
@papa515 5 жыл бұрын
The time you spent putting this together was VERY WELL SPENT. Since the result was: BRILLIANT! I followed each and every level enjoying everyting!. I eagerly anticipate the follow up on Galois Theory
@dhoyt902
@dhoyt902 5 жыл бұрын
You can't square a circle but you can turn math into gold 💖
@jamesgilliam4322
@jamesgilliam4322 5 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2TVhIt3bcaYfZY
@mrpokemon1186
@mrpokemon1186 4 жыл бұрын
Ok Midas
@eriktempelman2097
@eriktempelman2097 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this amazing effort! Just 200 hours to make this (..) seems time well spent, given how many viewers enjoy the results. Keep 'm coming!
@EvgenijGr
@EvgenijGr 5 жыл бұрын
At first I was terrified by a video that is 40 minutes long, but it seems like the right amount of time to explain this stuff. Thanks for a wonderful video, super excited and looking forward to Level 7 :)
@onradioactivewaves
@onradioactivewaves 4 жыл бұрын
I like how with each level came increasing brevity. Level 7 - just a tease of it's existance!
@josephjackson1956
@josephjackson1956 5 жыл бұрын
2:13 how I feel during a calculus test
@KendrixTermina
@KendrixTermina 5 жыл бұрын
As one of my professors used to say, the unsolved problems aren't unsolved because they're hard, but because the established methods don't work for them. Once you solve them they're often very obvious - hence many problems are solved by ppl who are new to the field. He says he circumvents this by getting into a new topic every couple of years XD I sure did like old Professor Paul.
@realitycheck3363
@realitycheck3363 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, this girl solved the trisecting an angle problem within the rules. XD kzbin.info/www/bejne/jouzimtsmtRmjrc
@MrWorldOfQuests
@MrWorldOfQuests 5 жыл бұрын
@@realitycheck3363 This looks promising, but in the step where she trying draw a line by gues'timating it shows it will have tiny inaccuracies, so the angle will be not trisected but only nearly trisected with tiny error. I mean it is the same thing you could do by guessing what angle is right, you can do it to astonishing precision with only ruler but it won't be precise. I might be wrong there is maybe legitimate way to trisect and angle with only ruler and compass in a way she did it, it could be that she did not present her method clearly.
@realitycheck3363
@realitycheck3363 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrWorldOfQuests Lets be honest, how accurate you can draw depends on your tools, and your ability to use them. It does not take anything away from the fact that that distance is exactly the distance you need to trisect a triangle. I have tried it myself, and it works on every random angle I have tried it on. And not sort of, but exactly the right way. I'm sorry if mathematicians are jealous that they did not think of it before some random girl, but the fact remains, she found a way to do it, using the rules as stipulated. That deserves some kudos.
@MrWorldOfQuests
@MrWorldOfQuests 5 жыл бұрын
@@realitycheck3363 Oh I found wiki about this method, it seems it was known before. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neusis_construction . And it seems the ruler has to be with marked unit, so it is against rules. And she did not think it by herself, she studied Neusis construction as stated in her video description. But still it is legitimate way to trisect and angle.
@skylermagnificent5422
@skylermagnificent5422 4 жыл бұрын
I’m basically 10 years old and this seems impossible, but I’m trying to understand the details, I love this channel
@ginnyjollykidd
@ginnyjollykidd 4 жыл бұрын
Good for you! He does make it fascinating!
@travisjonker744
@travisjonker744 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, this is a challenging video. I've been through 7+ years of highschool and college math and don't understand this very well. My major is mostly calculus. Remind yourself that algebra is not just a school topic, but an 8+ year PHD. Also math is important but will not ever make you important to but the smallest amount of people. Make sure you treat everyone in your life so that they might think of you as important regardless of your life accomplishments. Good luck man, math is a shit show for us all!
@RalphInRalphWorld
@RalphInRalphWorld 4 жыл бұрын
Good job! You're gonna go far in life
@skylermagnificent5422
@skylermagnificent5422 4 жыл бұрын
Thx y’all!
@800beam
@800beam 4 жыл бұрын
I suspected I was brain dead. It took 15 minutes for "Mathologer" to confirm this. Now I pull over and watch some sumo wrestling
@Icenri
@Icenri 5 жыл бұрын
At 29:30 you said "extension" and suddenly I learnt something I was chasing to learn for a good time now. Many thanks for that eureka moment.
@MikhailBarabanovA
@MikhailBarabanovA 5 жыл бұрын
OMG 40 minutes from Mathologer, am i in heaven on a dream-lecture?
@russianbot4418
@russianbot4418 5 жыл бұрын
No, you have OCD and unrealistic perceptions and expectations of reality.
@MikhailBarabanovA
@MikhailBarabanovA 5 жыл бұрын
@@russianbot4418 I'm just meta for this.
@terryendicott2939
@terryendicott2939 5 жыл бұрын
x^3 - 2 is an increasing function. That is if a < b then a^3 -2 < b^3 -2. Hence there is only ONE real root. But as you demonstrated if a + b root(7) were a root then so is a - b root(7). Just another way to get to your contraction.
@cmuller1441
@cmuller1441 5 жыл бұрын
Yes that part was a bit fast. There are 2 cases b is not 0 in that case there's 2 real solutions and as you explained it's impossible Or b=0, in that case there's no condradiction yet (there's only 1 real solution). The contradiction comes from the fact that if b=0 it means a=3root (2) and that is impossible. (The +- b something van be discarted)
@janinesawyer6132
@janinesawyer6132 5 жыл бұрын
c muller vb
@msdmathssousdopamine8630
@msdmathssousdopamine8630 5 жыл бұрын
Beautifully done. I can't wait for level 7.
@Praseodymium59
@Praseodymium59 3 жыл бұрын
hello mathologer. your content brings me such incredible joy and I am so grateful for the effort you put into making this beautiful mathematics accessible. although I had to replay the level 4 section once or twice to understand the recursive field logic (I am also rather drunk), I feel I have taken a relaxing tour and come out with a strong barebones understanding of the proof. at the very least, I leave this video with a deeper appreciation for our human struggle which unites us over time and place to evolve our logical tools. what an incredible triumph for wantzel, whom I have learned died only at 33 but will live eternally in legacy. (although he had more time than galois.) let us learn not only from his proof but also from his example, and practice moderation in excitatory drugs and late night mathematics!
@adamowen1914
@adamowen1914 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this. Although I’ve come across these before and spent much time in the past wrapping my head around this, I couldn’t stop listening to your amazing explanation. You’re a very gifted teacher sir!
@Scum42
@Scum42 5 жыл бұрын
"Of course, faced with the task of constructing numbers such as the cube root of 2 and root pi, it's natural to just stare helplessly into space. Which is pretty much all that happened for 2000 years." I legitimately laughed not just out load but very loudly and for a few minutes. Wonderful.
@Literallyeveryonealive
@Literallyeveryonealive 5 жыл бұрын
Where was this video when I was writing my paper for college geometry
@TheInevitableHulk
@TheInevitableHulk 5 жыл бұрын
What cruel math professor makes there students write an essay in a math course?
@maxguichard4337
@maxguichard4337 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheInevitableHulk I just moved to the IB system and apparently we have to write an extended essay for every selected subject (might be less). So I guess that includes a maths essay.
@Literallyeveryonealive
@Literallyeveryonealive 5 жыл бұрын
TheInevitableHulk The course focused on the development of Euclidean and Hyperbolic geometry. The professor wanted us to explore topics outside of pure Euclidean and Hyperbolic geometry so I focused on why squaring the circle was impossible using algebra. Also it was a 400 course so time to write ;)
@Literallyeveryonealive
@Literallyeveryonealive 5 жыл бұрын
Mohan Sandal lit
@Literallyeveryonealive
@Literallyeveryonealive 5 жыл бұрын
Mohan Sandal hope you realize I’m not a scientist :)
@siddharth_desai
@siddharth_desai 5 жыл бұрын
I got nerd-sniped by that t-shirt. It's pretty easy to see the pattern that produces that shape, but it is not obvious that the series converges; although, if it divereged, I suppose the entire t-shirt would be red. After doing some working out, and then some googling, I found out that it is a quite famous problem.
@xjdusuau9851
@xjdusuau9851 3 жыл бұрын
what's the problem called
@sundhukumar
@sundhukumar 4 жыл бұрын
Your passion, presentation is impeccable, graphics sync with explaination,3D overlaying effect Voice is so soothing,... Totally impeccable content... Kudos to your effort in making enthusiastic way...
@disruptive_innovator
@disruptive_innovator 4 жыл бұрын
I used to play with constructing shapes using a ruler and compass in grade school. I loved the heptagon and heptagram because they were hard to construct without a protractor. I leaned to use a heptagram in place of a pentagram when asked to place a star on homework. This video takes me back and explains well a curiosity I had as a child. Thank you!
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 5 жыл бұрын
In Spain, when someone gives an absurd and rondabout explanation for something we say he's "squaring the circle"
@yf-n7710
@yf-n7710 3 жыл бұрын
Really? That's awesome! I know a little bit of Spanish, but I hadn't heard that idiom before.
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 3 жыл бұрын
@@yf-n7710 It's a bit on disuse, but in cultured circles it's still used.
@Bayerwaldler
@Bayerwaldler 3 жыл бұрын
In German this is still very much in use: "Quadratur des Kreises".
@davidbarrientos2062
@davidbarrientos2062 3 жыл бұрын
Curioso, acá en Latinoamérica no he escuchado a alguien decir que está "Cuadrando el círculo"
@GMPStudios
@GMPStudios 5 жыл бұрын
I can construct point cube root of 2 away from origin. If I have infinite time.
@tensevo
@tensevo 3 жыл бұрын
5:30 This is simply stunning, great animation.
@Neura1net
@Neura1net 5 жыл бұрын
I love how popular this channel has become. Great work.
@KaityKat117
@KaityKat117 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my gods! I can't believe it! I actually made it through the video! I mean, I had to repeat some parts, a couple times, but I made it through! Although... I did have to just take your word for it on a couple of things because, unfortunately, I didn't learn _all_ the math things in high school, and I never came across some of them in college (I don't exactly dream of taking trig, lol). But for the most part, I was right there with you! And honestly that surprises me! (I've never been that good at higher-level maths)
@psychosis7325
@psychosis7325 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I managed to follow along right to the end, I sure did not totally understand everything and I'd guess I kept up 70% without spending days on just. I have to say as someone who flunked out of maths and physics in year 11 due to frustration with algebra that this was the lesson I needed back then. I'm still really into Math and Physics and always wanted to master Math and get a real grasp on relativity and I'm a few percent of the way there but this video just gave me whole new insight into geometry and the beauty of the universe that I almost missed out on had I not stumbles across it, thousands of years in the making and a true work of art this clip is and getting it to 40mins is just mind boggling and I wish I had another lifetime and could meet you in my younger years when the grey matter could absorb all this even better..... Thank You so much for taking time to make this, I can't get as much out of it as I wish I could but someone will and WOW! What that could inspire in a young mind is amazing to think about 👏 Great Work....... P.S I'm in Tasmania 👍 was legit sitting there part way through thinking "Man, just imagine if this bloke was in Australia and I could of learned from him during my younger years or could chew ya ear over a beer one day 😅 I instantly just assumed that you must be based in the UK or US given teaching style and accent but serves my argument true that Australia has some of the most talented folk about.
@maitland1007
@maitland1007 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos enrich my life. Thanks so much!! This was so great.
@conoroneill8067
@conoroneill8067 5 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you're making this - I've been trying to study group theory in my free time (as a prerequisite to Galois theory) - the other major problem I know of in that field is the proof that there is no basic formula for the roots of a fifth degree polynomial. Is it possible to 'Mathologerise' that proof as well, or does it require some of the more heavy-duty parts of Galois theory?
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Presenting a Mathologerised proof that there is no solution in radicals to general polynomial equations of degree five or higher is also on my to my to-do list. This is actually very doable in a very visual and accessible way using a "topological Galois theory" approach. But first I'll have to recover from this latest video making marathon for a bit :)
@tomwill77
@tomwill77 5 жыл бұрын
I hope to see that soon. I've been fascinated by the unsolvability of polynomials of 5th degree or higher after reading about it in Yanofsky's "The Outer Limits of Reason". However, I haven't been able to find a decent explanation for someone who has not had several semesters of group theory.
@andrewkarsten5268
@andrewkarsten5268 2 жыл бұрын
@@jcd-k2s I’m not sure if that’s how it goes, but that’s an interesting take on it. From what my professor has explained to me (in my group theory class), Galois theory deals with extension groups. Essentially, there’s ways to know if a group has a “nice” extension or not (which deals with factor groups), and the “niceness” of the extension has to do with the simple subgroups. Then, there’s an easy way to relate each polynomial of degree n to the alternating group of size n, and a well known result in group theory is that any alternating groups of size 5 or larger have no nontrivial subgroups, so there’s no “nice” extension. About the easiest part of all of that though is the proof of the alternating groups having no nontrivial subgroups, and is a relatively simple proof. As you can tell though, this approach takes a good grasp on group theory, and I’m not educated enough (yet) to know if there’s a better approach.
@andrewkarsten5268
@andrewkarsten5268 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomwill77 I don’t know if there is a decent explanation for that person. Maybe there is, and he’ll do a video on it, but that explanation will have to provide a crash course for it at least
@Josho4096
@Josho4096 5 жыл бұрын
My Mathematical seatbelt is ON!!! I like the way this gentleman explains things and does his videos. Lucky to have found this channel just recently (days ago! ~ 11/22/2019)
@nicholasroughan8932
@nicholasroughan8932 3 жыл бұрын
This is as clear an explanation of Galois theory as I have seen and I feel like it's the perfekte Einführung für Autodidakten! I can't tell you how often I've banged by head against the wall with this. Danke! Now, to prove that knifflige pentagon construction ...
@tomsmith4542
@tomsmith4542 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid!! Respect from Greece
@johannesh7610
@johannesh7610 5 жыл бұрын
For those interested in constructions, like shown here: Euclidea is a great app introducing that by letting you play around with the allowed operations.
@caygesinnett6474
@caygesinnett6474 5 жыл бұрын
Where is your patreon? These videos are too high-quality to watch for free
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 5 жыл бұрын
Sarcasm?
@ozradek1
@ozradek1 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, the best things in life are free! He LOVES making these videos as much as we enjoy digesting them.
@doodelay
@doodelay 5 жыл бұрын
@@ozradek1 I think he'd like getting paid to make them even more
@caygesinnett6474
@caygesinnett6474 5 жыл бұрын
I don't mean he should charge, I just mean I want to support the channel.
@RandomNullpointer
@RandomNullpointer 5 жыл бұрын
KZbin is not free. Ads pay the channel owner. Patreon is just for begging for more, and I find it insulting.
@guiorasokolovsky2783
@guiorasokolovsky2783 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Mathologer. This video represents the beauty of achievments of human mind. It's a piece of art rather than math practicing. When you tell us to complete holes in the logic as homework ' you are like LEONARDO DA VINCI SKIPPING PARTS OF mona lisa and telling us to fill up all missing partps.Please let us enjoy the full masterpiece.
@ROCKlDOVE
@ROCKlDOVE 5 жыл бұрын
You sir, are my teacher away from school, each time a new video comes out, I’m eager to listen and eager to learn, thank you for all the lessons you do
@KendrixTermina
@KendrixTermina 5 жыл бұрын
i think the basic principle was fairly understandeable. The crux is basically the idea that constructable numbers are square root expressions everything else follows naturally enough
@crazedvidmaker
@crazedvidmaker 5 жыл бұрын
Circle proof: a bit easier than the pentagon: The circle satisfies (x-(a+1)/2)^2+y^2=((a+1)/2)^2 and we plug in x=a y^2=((a+1)/2)^2-((1-a)/2)^2=a
@HanBurritoz
@HanBurritoz 5 жыл бұрын
What would happen if you had a 4 dimensional ruler and compass and you were drawing on the 3D "paper" ? Would that change anything to the constructable set of numbers? If yes, what numbers are constructable on n-D "paper" that aren't possible on 2D paper?
@ruinenlust_
@ruinenlust_ 5 жыл бұрын
The set of equations you need to solve will contain three variables, but the degree stays at 2. Meaning you still wouldnt be able to extend Q with a cube root, sadly.
@xnick_uy
@xnick_uy 5 жыл бұрын
@@ruinenlust_ Exactly! The limitation comes from the shapes (and thus the equivalent polynomial functions that appear) and not the dimensions. The problems would be solvable If you were to use some drawing instrument able to produce cubic trajectories, for instance. It's not clear to me how one would use or operate with a 4D ruler, but I can envision some instrument that is able to find a plane given by 3 non-aligned points in 3D space.
@SimonBuchanNz
@SimonBuchanNz 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering this in the sense of what space *would* be needed: perhaps a space with a Minkowski metric of order p allows construction up to p-root-y numbers? But that seems far to easy, I suspect many of the mentioned "tricks" stop working.
@DeRien8
@DeRien8 5 жыл бұрын
At the very least, I'm aware that you can use folding to trisect an angle, which I suppose means you could solve it with a ruler and compass that make 3D measurements rather than 2 and 1D
@SimonBuchanNz
@SimonBuchanNz 5 жыл бұрын
@@DeRien8 3d isn't why origami can trisect angles or double a cube: 3d distances are still square roots. Actually all the maths is in the 2d plane for those proofs anyway, but while the math doesn't really look too tricky, I can't find a good well-contained description of why it results in a cubic solution and I'm not confident enough to try it myself!
@hawlitakerful
@hawlitakerful 22 күн бұрын
You are an amazing teacher of what seems one of the most complicated matters. I always had a love for maths but struggled academically ... but listening to you it is almost logical... i know it should be logical and for people watching it probably is but that's just me being me. Thank you for all the effort you put in.
@shashikumar7890
@shashikumar7890 4 жыл бұрын
One of the hardest subject to compile in the shortest possible video. very very carefully structured and beautifully rendered as always.
@tomwallen7271
@tomwallen7271 4 жыл бұрын
Me: "Oh cool, another Mathologer video" Burkard: "In this short 40 minute video" Me: "oh fuck yeah..."
@NotLegato
@NotLegato 5 жыл бұрын
this is great. the galois theory focusing on the constructions in my algebra book is like, another 350 pages forward...
@kumoyuki
@kumoyuki 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see your presentation of the heptadecagon construction, including the algebraic part of the proof :)
@johnchestnut5340
@johnchestnut5340 5 жыл бұрын
In mechanical drawing I learned how to divide a line into any number of equal segments. Now you have me wondering which rule or rules I am breaking. Thanks for the video.
@AV-ws2rz
@AV-ws2rz 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, but dividing a segment into a given number of smaller segments, or into a given ratio, is not a problem with a ruler and compass. No rules need to be broken :) Check out the Intercept theorem: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercept_theorem
@johnchestnut5340
@johnchestnut5340 5 жыл бұрын
@@AV-ws2rz Then neither is dividing an angle into three. Make a triangle. Then divide the side opposite the angle into three equal segments. Then connect the ends of the segments to the angle to be divided. You now have three equal triangles and equal angles.
@AV-ws2rz
@AV-ws2rz 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnchestnut5340 unfortunately, such approach doesn't work, unless your triangle is isosceles. Check it out for yourself; in a generic triangle, a bisector divides an angle into two equal angles, but not necessarily the side it crosses. Conversely, a median didvides a side into halves, but not the angle it originates at.
@johnchestnut5340
@johnchestnut5340 5 жыл бұрын
@@AV-ws2rz That's what I get for being out of school and not working with math. I forget things. Thanks for the respectful interaction. I still like math and science. I just don't get to work with it beyond a very basic level. John.
@AV-ws2rz
@AV-ws2rz 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnchestnut5340, it's my pleasure to have a civilised discussion like this one, bro, so thanks to you as well :) And it's normal to not remember things when you don't use them on a daily basis. I myself first started in mechanical engineering and after a while switched to maths. And believe me, most of professional mathematicians aren't much familiar with mathematics outside of their own field. Often they don't know what others might consider 'basic', so there's no shame in not knowing. Maths is such a tremendously vast subject, it's very non-linear (concepts are connected more in a cobweb-like fashion). You could literally pick an area of interest (be it geometry, algebra, knot theory or complex analysis - you name it!) and start discovering the chosen field with little to no knowledge of other stuff. Of course, basic understanding of how logic works is necessary, but you also get that understanding by practice. Cheers! Anton
@hymnodyhands
@hymnodyhands 5 жыл бұрын
Watched the entire video and LOVED all 40 minutes of it ... although I am not a mathematician, I am a high maths fan and was surprised at how much of this at least made logical sense -- great presentation! I will have to go back to school to study math again to really understand ... but if I do, this may be part of the inspiration!
@cerberus0225
@cerberus0225 5 жыл бұрын
I did the first challenge of proving that the construction for the pentagon is actually true. Most of it was a bunch of trial and error figuring out what to do and in what order. That said, I did it! I'd post the full proof but frankly it was way too long. Even just the summary I did at the end to try and condense it down into something that could be read as a step-by-step process took a full page of paper. I also wasn't sure what exactly the ancient Greeks would have been able to use in their own proofs, so I didn't bother trying to emulate them too much. They obviously wouldn't use square roots or what have you, but they did know about certain special numbers that aren't rational that are essential for the construction. I restricted myself to having to do everything by hand and in exact form, so no decimal approximations. I'll try and convey the gist of the proof, though. My main concern is that I did things using a much more complicated method that did work, but required the identity for the difference of inverse cosines. I doubt the Greeks had this, but while I originally thought I found a much simpler way to get the same answer, I didn't realize until I was typing it out here that this simpler method requires an assumption that I can't make. Nonetheless, I am pretty satisfied with this proof. If anyone has any suggestions for a better way, let me know! So first, lets break down the construction. We start with a circle centered on the intersection of two perpendicular lines, with four points of intersection. Lets call one of these points A, and the opposite point B. We won't worry about the other two. In the end, we have two circles centered on the same point, lets say A, with different radii, and each of them intersect the original circle at two new points. Lets say the larger circle gets points named C and D, while the smaller gets E and F, such that the line segment CE doesn't intersect the line AB. We claim BCDEF forms a regular pentagon. Regardless of the method used to make these two new circles, it's obvious they're the key here, so it'd be nice to know what their radii are. Using the construction, we can use a little Pythagorean Theorem and some basic geometry to find them. Assuming the original circle is radius 1, then the larger of our two new circles has radius (sqrt(5)+1)/2, and the smaller has radius (sqrt(5)-1)/2. You might recognize these as the Golden Ratio, and the Golden Ratio - 1. Anybody who's studied regular pentagons knows that the Golden Ratio is integral to it, so this is promising. Using the method by which the points are constructed, it's easy to show that our pentagon has a mirror symmetry, which helps us significantly. Points C and D are formed by the intersections of two circles whose centers lie on the line AB, and thus CD is perpendicular to AB and CD is bisected by AB. The same is true for the line EF using the same argument. As points C and D are equidistant from the line AB, they are equidistant to all points on the line, so line segments BC and BD are equal, and AC and AD are equal. Similarly, AE = AF, and BE = BF. Notice that line CD is parallel to EF as they are both perpendicular to AB, and the midpoints of CD and EF both lie on AB. Let us call the midpoint of CD the point G, and the midpoint of EF the point H. It is easy to see that, being parallel lines, we can create more line segments that are equal between these points, such as CE and DF, or CF and DE. Notice that our pentagon is composed of the following line segments: BC, CF, FE, ED, and DB. We have seen that BC = DB, and ED = CF. We also have a number of diagonals within the pentagon, the line segments: BF, BE, CD, CE, DF. We have seen BF = BE, and CE = DF. It is easy to show that various angles are equivalent as well, so I will stop here and claim that it is fact that the pentagon has mirror symmetry over AB. Our goal is to prove that all the line segments on the edge are equal. With that knowledge we can easily show that all internal angles are also equal. First, we need some numbers. Take the triangle ABC. We know that AB = 2 and AC = Golden Ratio, hereafter called P as that is the most similar symbol on my keyboard to the proper symbol. Using Thales Theorem we know angle ACB is pi/2. We use the Pythagorean Theorem to find the length of BC as sqrt(1 - P^2). Next, take the triangle ABE. We know AB = 2 and AE = P - 1, and angle AEB = pi/2. We find BE = sqrt(1-(P-1)^2). Now take the triangle BEH. We know BE = sqrt(1-(P-1)^2), and angle BHE = pi/2. We know that in a right triangle, the sine of an angle is equal to the ratio of the length of the opposite leg divided by the length of the hypotenuse. Thus, sine of angle EBH = EH / BE. The angle EBH is equivalent to the angle EBA. In the triangle ABE, the sine of EBA is AE/AB. Thus, BH/BE = AE/AB. AE = P-1, AB = 2, so EH/BE = (P-1)/2. We know BE, so EH = (P-1)/2 sqrt(1-(P-1)^2). As EH is half of the segment EF, EF = (P-1) sqrt(1-(P-1)^2). It is not immediately obvious that EF = BC, as it requires (P-1) sqrt(1-(P-1)^2) = sqrt(1-P^2). However, with this value of P, it can be shown algebraically to be true. Thus, EF = BC = BD. We have shown three edges to be equivalent, and the remaining two equivalent to each other, as CE = DF. Similarly, we take the triangle BCG. We know BC = sqrt(1-P^2) and angle BGC = pi/2. The angle CBG is equal to the angle CBA. The sine of CBG = CG/BC, and the sine of CBA = AC/AB, so CG/BC = AC/AB. AC = P, AB = 2, so AC/AB = P/2. BC = sqrt(1-P^2), so CG = P/2 sqrt(1-P^2). As CG is half of CD, CD = P sqrt(1-P^2). It is not immediately obvious this is equal to BE = sqrt(1-(P-1)^2), but it can be shown algebraically to be true. Thus, CD = BE = BF. We have shown three diagonals to be equivalent, with the remaining two equivalent to each other, as CF = DE. We wish to show angle BCD = CBE. Recall G is the midpoint of CD, and BG is a perpendicular bisector of CD. Take the triangle BCG. We know the cosine of an angle in a right triangle is equal to the length of the adjacent leg divided by the hypotenuse. CG = P/2 sqrt(1-P^2). BC = sqrt(1-P^2). We know triangle BCG to be a right triangle, so the cosine of angle BCG = CG/BC = P/2. We know angle BCG equals angle BCD, so the cosine of BCG must be equal to the cosine of BCD. So, cosine of BCD = P/2. If the cosine of BCD equals the cosine of CBE, we shall assume this is enough to prove the angles equal. While it is possible for two different angles to have the same cosine, these angles would have significantly different appearances in the construction if this were to be the case. Sadly, finding the cosine of CBE is a difficult affair. We know angles CBE + EBA = CBA. We use the appropriate triangles for these angles. The cosine of EBA = sqrt(4-(P-1)^2)/2. Thus, EBA = arccos[sqrt(4-(P-1)^2)/2]. The cosine of CBA = sqrt(4-P^2)/2. Thus, CBA = arccos[sqrt(4-P^2)/2]. Thus, CBE = arccos[sqrt(4-P^2)/2] - arccos[sqrt(4-(P-1)^2)/2]. Note the following formula: arccos(x) - arccos(y) = arccos(xy + sqrt((1-x^2)(1-y^2))). Suffice to say that through a lengthy calculation we get the pleasant answer that angle CBE = arccos(P/2). Therefore, the cosine of CBE = P/2. Therefore, cosine of CBE = cosine of BCD, and we claim angle CBE is equal to angle BCD. It is worth noting that if we take a point I to be the midpoint of the segment BE in triangle BCE, and assume the line CI is perpendicular to BE, we can find that the cosine of angle CBE = P/2. However, this assumption is equivalent to assuming triangle BCE is isosceles, which is what we are trying to prove. Take the triangles BCD and CBE. We know BC = BC, CD = BE, and angle BCD = CBE. Thus, triangles BCD and CBE are congruent by Side-Angle-Side. Thus CE = BD = BC, and so, we have shown that all five edges are equivalent. We must now finally show that all internal angles are equivalent, but this is relatively straightforward. The points B, C, D, E and F are all distance 1 from the point O, the origin, as they lie on a circle of radius 1 centered on O. Take the isosceles triangle BOC and call the angle BOC = x. Take the isosceles triangle COE. We know BO = CO = EO, and BC = CE. Thus the two triangles are congruent by Side-Side-Side. Thus the angle COE is equal to x. More importantly, we know angle CBO = BCO and ECO = CEO because isosceles triangles, and angles CBO = BCO = ECO = CEO by congruent triangles. We also know the angles BCO + ECO = BCE. We can do this same construction for each of the five isosceles triangles within our pentagon and show they are all congruent, and thus all internal angles equal, and find their measure to be 108 degrees. We conclude that, as all edges are equal and all internal angles are equal, BCEFD is a regular pentagon.
@heliy_25
@heliy_25 5 жыл бұрын
Н. Wеуl, Symmetry, Princeton Univ. Press, 1952 - ?
@MattiaConti
@MattiaConti 5 жыл бұрын
I love how you and 3d1brown explain maths
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 5 жыл бұрын
3blue1brown? Yeah, he's amazing, too! Fred
@thisnicklldo
@thisnicklldo 5 жыл бұрын
This is much better. 3B1B gets too much pleasure out of making things more complicated (if sometimes also beautiful) - his objective is not to make difficult things understandable, but rather to provide new and imaginative ways to describe difficult, or even simple, things. I can enjoy him sometimes, sometimes I think he is too far up his own fundament for his and our good. But mathologer really does want us to understand, not just to admire his technique - which is wonderful, really.
@dredredre93
@dredredre93 5 жыл бұрын
beautiful beautiful beautiful!!!!!!!!! :D love this channel, great work
@D_Calado
@D_Calado 5 жыл бұрын
Lovely video, great speaker, great graphs, and most importantly great mathematician. Good Job!
@the_eternal_student
@the_eternal_student 4 ай бұрын
It has been 2000 years! Forget about the ruler and compass and just show us how to solve the problem! Its amazing that you can gain some insight out of unsolvable problems. My favorite part was when you gave the solutions. Nice to know there is a triple angle formula. On numberphile they show a woman trisecting an angle with origami and they also use Gauss's calculation to create a 17-gon.
@Gladdig
@Gladdig 5 жыл бұрын
Squaring a circle is easy, have you ever seen a boxing ring?
@nemeczek67
@nemeczek67 5 жыл бұрын
Or just throw a square pavement slab into a river.
@itze_
@itze_ 5 жыл бұрын
Top tier word play
@Roosyer
@Roosyer 5 жыл бұрын
Well done :)
@alexismandelias
@alexismandelias 5 жыл бұрын
That's gold
@remhawk73
@remhawk73 5 жыл бұрын
Jamie pull that up.
@64standardtrickyness
@64standardtrickyness 5 жыл бұрын
You need a basic understanding of polynomials, what a field is and linear algebra 1) given field F b not in F the dimension o fF[b) (smallest field containing F and b) over F is equal to the degree of the min poly of b over F 2) Given fields F contained in G contained in H the dimension of H over F is equal to the product of the dimension of H over G and the dimension of G over F 3) R the field containing our constructed numbers so far and b is a newly constructed number then dim R[b] over R is 1 or 2 4) by 2 and 3 starting with Q our set of constructed numbers C satisfies that dim Q[C] / Q is a power of 2 5)by 2 an 4 any constructed number b satisfies dim Q[b]/Q is a power of 2 6) using 1) show that dim Q[ cuberoot2 ] / Q is 3 and your done
@jamessonke4411
@jamessonke4411 4 жыл бұрын
Youre a polynomial. And you do not know what I need
@christophercook9693
@christophercook9693 5 жыл бұрын
"Here's this result which you're going to prove in your homework. Now with that result we can do all these cool things on the board"
@LaughingManCK
@LaughingManCK 4 жыл бұрын
These videos always go way over my head by about half way through! sometimes something clicks later, but i thoroughly enjoy following the logical progression
@pandit7130
@pandit7130 4 жыл бұрын
I don't usually watch a video this long, but this video was so interesting I could not stop watching it
@nedmerrill5705
@nedmerrill5705 4 жыл бұрын
A joke: you see doubling cubes all the time in backgammon.
@ladyathenaofowls
@ladyathenaofowls 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else think that “harder” math is more fun? I feel like the complexity makes problems more satisfying to solve them.
@KingJangOng
@KingJangOng 4 жыл бұрын
definitely
@redgit9905
@redgit9905 4 жыл бұрын
I agree on that one
@BroArmyCommander
@BroArmyCommander 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean "harder"?
@ladyathenaofowls
@ladyathenaofowls 4 жыл бұрын
VilaBitches! Like more challenging to solve Or just more advanced
@anom3778
@anom3778 4 жыл бұрын
No i think adding 2 plus 3 is more fun
@Malitz101
@Malitz101 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid, as always. And another great shirt, as well 😁
@xeroxcopy8183
@xeroxcopy8183 5 жыл бұрын
you dont even know what a heptagon is , without looking for a dictionary or google
@РайанКупер-э4о
@РайанКупер-э4о 5 ай бұрын
There is one compass and ruler problem I like very much: Given triangle, fit inside it two equal circles in a way that they would touch all sides of the given triangle (two sides per circle) and each other tangentialy. So two circles touch each other, and each of them touches (not intersects) two sides of the triangle from the inside. I can show you one very clever solution that applies zero algebra and relies only on visual ingenuity.
@geedidge79
@geedidge79 5 жыл бұрын
Thank You. Watched with my seven year old. We spent the morning mapping out the five platonic solids with compass and ruler. The video homework should be lots of fun. I'm excited I'll let you know when if we get stuck. Correction noted.
@ruinenlust_
@ruinenlust_ 5 жыл бұрын
Crazy good video, I've been waiting for a video on this for a while now! The only thing unclear to me is the explanation why no subfield extension could ever contain the cube root of 2. IMO that explanation was a bit too rushed, so I don't fully understand it yet.
@timh.6872
@timh.6872 5 жыл бұрын
If I'm understanding the video correctly, that was roughly a proof by induction, which is covered in undergraduate logic/proof classes, but not really touched outside of university. The idea is to start with a tiny "kernel" proof that's easy enough to do. In this case, it's that the cube root of 2 is irrational, which has been covered in a previous video. From there, we try to tackle a more complicated situation with the knowledge that the simpler ones can be solved. In full rigor we have to tackle an arbitrarily complicated situation, and can make no assumptions about how we solved the simpler ones. This step is the "rooty lifting" process that Mathologer showed. Because he focuses on having approachable videos for people without much formal proof background, he decided to "ground" the arbitrary step as the next three after the base case, technically making it not rigorous. However, making it rigorous is just some symbol manipulation and context adjustments, and it is much easier to get a "feel" for the process when dealing with actual numbers. As a toy example, here's a short proof showing that 2*n > n for all positive integers using the same proof technique: Base case: n=1 2*(1) = 2, and 2 > 1, base case solved Arbitrary case: we assume we've somehow shown that 2*k > k is true for some arbitrary positive integer k and try to show that 2*(k+1) > k+1: 2*(k+1) = 2*k + 2, and 2*k +2 > 2*k + 1 using our assumption, 2*k > k, we can get 2*k + 1 > k + 1 because adding one to each side of an inequality doesn't change the inequality. since we also showed 2*(k+1) > 2*k + 1, it follows that 2*(k+1) > k + 1. Arbitrary case solved. Since we showed that 2*(1) > 1 and that if 2*k > k then 2*(k+1) > k+1, we've actually defined a process to prove 2*n > n for any positive integer n, because any positive integer is either 1 or can be split into a +1 and some positive integer "closer to" 1. Following the arbitrary cases down the chain of +1s until we hit the base case at 1, any positive integer n must have the property 2*n > n. QED. The proof shown in the video is just a lot more complicated and intricate version of that same logical framework.
@ruinenlust_
@ruinenlust_ 5 жыл бұрын
@Tim H. I understand it now! thank you very much for your reply, much appreciated!
@theprofessionalfence-sitter
@theprofessionalfence-sitter 5 жыл бұрын
For what it's worth, there is also another nice proof using the degree of field extensions: When adjoining an element a (such as the cube root of 2) to the rationals - that is, produce the field Q(a) which is the smallest field containing all rationals as well as a (explicitly, its elements are of the form f(a)/g(a) where f and g are polynomials with rational coefficients such that g(a)=/=0) - the resulting field is of course going to be a vector space over Q (as you can still multiply with rationals), thus it makes sense to ask for its dimension which we will denote by [Q(a):Q]. If m_a is the polynomial of minimal degree such that m_a(a)=0 (called the minimal polynomial of a), the it turns out that this dimension is equal to the degree [Q(a):Q]=deg m_a=:n. To see this, note that a,a^2,...,a^(n-1) are linearly independent - otherwise we would find a smaller polynomial with a as its root - and they are maximally so, as we can reduce expressions of the form x_m*a^m+...+x_1*a+x_0 form m>=n using the minimal polynomial. Now what does this tell us about [Q(cube root of 3):Q]? Of course X^3-2 is one polynomial with cube root of 2 as a root, but we still need to see that it is minimal. For that, note that every polynomial p with a as its root has m_a as a divisor - to see this, note that we can use "division with remainder" for polynomials to writhe p=q*m_a+r for polynomials q and r with deg r
@ruinenlust_
@ruinenlust_ 5 жыл бұрын
@@theprofessionalfence-sitter Whoa, thank you for your reply!! Glad I studied some Galois theory or else I wouldn't understand a thing you said haha!
@cryme5
@cryme5 5 жыл бұрын
@@theprofessionalfence-sitter I feel field extensions could (although that would have been more conceptual) have been introduced in the video with the degree of extensions. That would have been more insightful, that's something that remains in mind. Do you have any short intuition on the converse statement you make at the first sentence of your last paragraph? Is it simply that if K is a field, a is of degree mn over K (i.e. [K(a):K] = mn), then [K(a^n):K] = m since a K-basis is (1, a^n, ..., a^(n(m-1))), thus a^n is K-algebraic of degree m. Then if a is of degree 2^m, we can write Q(a) = Q(a^(2^(m-1)))(a^(2^(m-2)))...(a), where each extension is of degree 2, thus constructible. I feel the final sentence might require more than simply field extensions, Galois theory for example :D
@nightstalkerdm6145
@nightstalkerdm6145 5 жыл бұрын
My brain cant keep up to this! 😭 Why is it im so slow at this field 😭😭😭
@arminneashrafi2846
@arminneashrafi2846 5 жыл бұрын
Stick to it, and you will understand it bit by bit.
@grantorino2325
@grantorino2325 4 жыл бұрын
Just take it one nibble at a time. ♡
@MijinLaw
@MijinLaw 4 жыл бұрын
At least he gave several warnings. His regular maths videos tend to get quite deep (for non-mathematicians), so when he says this one is going to be tough...brace yourself.
@jloira01
@jloira01 4 жыл бұрын
@@MijinLaw Not only for non-mathematicians. These videos are a revelation for everyone. It's just a different perspective. You will never see these kinds of solutions in normal textbooks nor college classes. We are blessed to be able to access to the deepest possible ideas around our mind. Enjoy, my friend.
@Bobby-fj8mk
@Bobby-fj8mk 4 жыл бұрын
I gave up after 23 minutes.
@MrKassNova
@MrKassNova 4 жыл бұрын
8:52 - looks like a representation of earth and its magnetic fields.
@shawnpheneghan
@shawnpheneghan 5 жыл бұрын
I spent the better part of a year learning group theory to get to constructible numbers and discover why trisecting an angle is impossible. Nice video
@johnpearcey
@johnpearcey 3 жыл бұрын
This guy and his videos is absolutely awesome!
@Ckjr177
@Ckjr177 5 жыл бұрын
you need to start selling those shirts.
@traildude7538
@traildude7538 4 жыл бұрын
Or give us a link to them!
@神のユージン
@神のユージン 5 жыл бұрын
Erstes Blut! Schönen Sommer dir, Mathologer! Ich gehe zwar in die 8. Klasse, aber deine Videos inspirieren mich sehr :)
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Here in Australia it's winter (and 1:13 in the morning :)
@conoroneill8067
@conoroneill8067 5 жыл бұрын
You're in 8th grade, watching a video about Galois theory? That's pretty incredible in itself.
@神のユージン
@神のユージン 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mathologer I didn't know you live in Australia! And geography isn't my favourite subject xD
@神のユージン
@神のユージン 5 жыл бұрын
@@conoroneill8067 well, I'm not smart(I'm pretty dumb), but for me Maths is the most interesting thing in my life. It sounds dumb but I hate Math what we learn in school, but Maths in university is just amazing and beautiful.
@johannesh7610
@johannesh7610 5 жыл бұрын
Erstes Blut??
@weksauce
@weksauce 5 жыл бұрын
Can we double a cube or square a circle drawing on 3d "paper" and with a "compass" that can draw spheres (2 dof, 3D)?
@pqrstzxerty1296
@pqrstzxerty1296 5 жыл бұрын
Was my thought too, third plane, autocad it on 3d digital paper.
@kingkartabyo6206
@kingkartabyo6206 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly, you can't. Still the same logic.
@danielstone7921
@danielstone7921 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best mathematics channels out there. Keep it up. Long live the Queen of the Sciences!
@LarsCourville
@LarsCourville 4 жыл бұрын
The compass and ruler animations were fascinating. It all made complete sense.
@godofspacetime333
@godofspacetime333 4 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how the Westerosi would have been able to construct their 7-sided temples in Game of Thrones using medieval technology..
@eleSDSU
@eleSDSU 4 жыл бұрын
Aye, sorcery.
@TlalocTemporal
@TlalocTemporal 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of trial and error more likely. Get someone with a steady hand and a lot of time to make some 2π/7 angle brackets, then make a whole set of measuring tools and reference blocks to copy it. It's not mathematically perfect, but it's still the straightest building in the town by a few orders of magnitude. Medieval folk don't care if they live in a trapezoid after all.
@steveg908
@steveg908 4 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, this is well beyond me. But I find this fascinating. Man I wish I did science in school instead of law. Maybe I'd be happy
@jackkennedy98
@jackkennedy98 4 жыл бұрын
you can still be happy. do it casually
@jackkennedy98
@jackkennedy98 4 жыл бұрын
if you want I can teach you some. I study it in uni
@DavidBryantsTranscendent
@DavidBryantsTranscendent 4 жыл бұрын
Dude that shirt is rad!
@legendhero-eu1lc
@legendhero-eu1lc 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! All of you friends are super awesome! Oh, moments in this video are sad.
@ts4gv
@ts4gv 4 жыл бұрын
the Mathologer video format is absolutely brilliant!!!!!!
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