The PROOF: e and pi are transcendental

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Mathologer

Mathologer

Күн бұрын

Today’s video is dedicated to introducing you to two of the holy grails of mathematics, proofs that e and pi are transcendental numbers. For the longest time I was convinced that these proofs were simply out of reach of a self-contained episode of Mathologer, and I even said so in a video on transcendental numbers last year. Well, I am not teaching any classes at uni this semester and therefore got a bit more time to spend on KZbin. And so I thought why not sink some serious time into trying to make this “impossible” video anyway. I hope you enjoy the outcome and please let me know in the comments which of the seven levels of enlightenment that make up this video you manage to conquer. Even if you just make it to the end of level one it will be an achievement and definitely worth it :)
0:00 Intro
1:48 Enter Transcendence
2:12 Level 1 - e - irrational
6:40 Level 2 - e - quadratic irrational
10:03 Level 3 - e - master proof
12:47 Level 4 - e - gamma
26:14 Level 5 - pi - Lindemann’s trick
29:59 Level 6 - pi - transcendence
35:35 Level 7
Today’s video would have been impossible without the help from my analyst colleague and friend Marty Ross who did most of the heavy lifting in terms of identifying and adapting the least crazy transcendence proofs for e and pi in existence for this video.
Here is Marty’s writeup of the infinite series based proof that e is not a quadratic irrational www.qedcat.com/notes/e%20not%2... and here is his formal write-ups of the proofs for the transcendence of pi and e that this video is based on www.qedcat.com/notes/e%20+%20p.... Marty’s version of the proofs is based on this paper by Steinberg and Redheffer projecteuclid.org/download/pd... which in turn has its origins in a proof by David Hilbert www.cs.toronto.edu/~yuvalf/Hil....
Apart from Marty I’d also like to thank MIchael Fraklin for his help with recording this episode of Mathologer, as well as Danil Diitriev who as usual will take care of the preparing amazing Russian subtitles for this video.
The mysterious Buddhabrot fractal was discovered by Melinda Green. For an intro to this strange mathematical creature check out my Mandelbrot video. • The dark side of the M...
Finally, here is a playlist of all my videos on irrational and transcendent numbers. • Playlist
Enjoy :)
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@neilgerace355
@neilgerace355 5 жыл бұрын
If I threw a dart at the number line, I would almost certainly miss it, because like all lines, it has no thickness. Also I am not good at darts.
@maxfern
@maxfern 3 жыл бұрын
should throw the dart in 2D space and won't miss.
@darianleyer5777
@darianleyer5777 3 жыл бұрын
Okay, then. Make it a thin rectangle extending infinitely to either direction, then back up far enough that it looks like a line, or something approximating it. Can't help with the accuracy, though.
@manganesegoblin981
@manganesegoblin981 3 жыл бұрын
Throw it in the 4d quaternion matrix and break space-time
@darianleyer5777
@darianleyer5777 3 жыл бұрын
Or that.
@SidneySilvaCarnavaleney
@SidneySilvaCarnavaleney 3 жыл бұрын
@Antea Stassi Prezados nobres amigos(as), professores,(as),alunos(as), com meu respeito a todos aqui presente, estou enviando minha "Tese" para a apreciação de todos; que pi é Racional e Irreversível, (3,15), nesta minha "Tese" tem um fator muito importante a ser respeitado, Não pode ser simplificado, Não pode ser arredondado, não pode ser aproximado, não pode ser fatorado, tem que ser exato para os cálculos do Universo da Matemática, o autor Sr Sidney Silva. www.portaldoslivreiros.com.br/livro.asp?codigo=4410831&titulo=A+Ousadia+do+Pi++Ser+Racional : www.estantevirtual.com.br/mod_perl/info.cgi?livro=2655536635 aeditora.com.br/produto/a-ousadia-do-%cf%80-ser-racional/ www.amazon.com.br/dp/655861281X?ref=myi_title_dp aeditora.com.br/produto/a-ousadia-do-%cf%80-ser-racional/ Onde encontrar minha obra, segue os links acima em epígrafe, e adquirir uma obra onde sua leitura é bem simples e objetiva provando a Racionalidade de Pi, para saber se é Racional ou não, compre minha obra, gratidão sempre o autor Sr Sidney Silva.
@sacredbolero
@sacredbolero 5 жыл бұрын
People ask what maths you learn in school is for - it’s so that you can keep up with what Mathologer is saying.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884
@thomaschevrierlaliberte5884 2 жыл бұрын
I do admit it's the case for me
@068LAICEPS
@068LAICEPS Жыл бұрын
😂 true
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo Жыл бұрын
Definitely 😅.
@NesMeme
@NesMeme 5 ай бұрын
As a person who is in a country with one of the worst education quality in the world, I have to self study to be able to understand what he’s saying.
@joeyhardin5903
@joeyhardin5903 4 жыл бұрын
"infinity war is the most ambitious crossover event in history" euler's identity: hold my beer
@danieldusentrieb5679
@danieldusentrieb5679 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Joey how can you drink when your mouth is arrested?
@joeyhardin5903
@joeyhardin5903 Жыл бұрын
@@danieldusentrieb5679 i do not eat or drink
@salixbaby
@salixbaby 5 жыл бұрын
"Irrational number expert Marty-" *Marty grunts in despair in the background*
@aaronmicalowe
@aaronmicalowe 5 жыл бұрын
At least there's method to his irrationality.
@postxian1
@postxian1 5 жыл бұрын
What's irrational? The number or the expert?
@burrbonus
@burrbonus 5 жыл бұрын
@@postxian1 : Yes.
@rean_of_sonos9432
@rean_of_sonos9432 5 жыл бұрын
@@postxian1 both!
@goji_crafter
@goji_crafter 5 жыл бұрын
@@postxian1 Yes.
@spicytaco2400
@spicytaco2400 5 жыл бұрын
Bruh. Where can I get, like, your entire wardrobe?
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Good luck with that :)
@bhatkrishnakishor
@bhatkrishnakishor 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mathologer it has become my first act, as soon as I open the video, to look for you T and see what is it about.
5 жыл бұрын
In the room he have it in?
@PplsChampion
@PplsChampion 4 жыл бұрын
sorry im late i took the rhom bus
@Astrochronic
@Astrochronic 3 жыл бұрын
His closet.
@harryschmidt4465
@harryschmidt4465 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is amazing. As someone who has dealt with transcendence proofs it is amazing to see that the problems I spend hours or days on (Like : How do I make sure that this bloody thing is not equal to 0?) turn up on a KZbin channel and interest close to half a million people. Thank you Mathologer. You have given me joy.
@pauselab5569
@pauselab5569 7 ай бұрын
My French Galois theory book promised that there will be a one page proof of the transcendence of pi but it’s like the last chapter and I still can’t get through the first one…
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo 5 ай бұрын
@@pauselab5569 Also; ”short” doesn’t always equal ”simple”. The fact that it is in the last chapter, kind of worries me. 😨
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo 24 күн бұрын
”How do I make sure that this bloody thing is not equal to 0?” - Me, when looking at my account balance on, like, the 3rd day of every month 😅💸.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 5 жыл бұрын
"e pi log" = epilogue. Heh!
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo 24 күн бұрын
Thanks 😃👍🏻! I never got that.
@Noughtgate
@Noughtgate 2 жыл бұрын
The sophistication, simplicity and humor of these videos is always so delightful! Just wanted to say thank you!
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Today’s video is dedicated to introducing you to two of the holy grails of mathematics, proofs that e and pi are transcendental numbers. For the longest time I was convinced that these proofs were simply out of reach of a self-contained episode of Mathologer, and I even said so in a video on transcendental numbers last year. Well, I am not teaching any classes at uni this semester and therefore got a bit more time to spend on KZbin. And so I thought why not sink some serious time into trying to make this “impossible” video anyway. I hope you enjoy the outcome and please let me know in the comments which of the seven levels of enlightenment that make up this video you manage to conquer. Even if you just make it to the end of level one it will be an achievement and definitely worth it :)
@klobiforpresident2254
@klobiforpresident2254 5 жыл бұрын
So, if you're not teaching any classes, are you still getting paid by the university for existing? I have no idea how it works down under.
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 5 жыл бұрын
Mathologer Hi!
@jdanag1
@jdanag1 5 жыл бұрын
I love you, Mathologer. You look like the villain from a Bond move. But for some reason, I want to hug you.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, just did all my teaching in first semester :)
@xyz.ijk.
@xyz.ijk. 5 жыл бұрын
This video was possibly the best so far! And, I'm still not satisfied that .999... "equals" 1. Therefore, this video must be amazing AND sef-contained.
@Morgow1
@Morgow1 5 жыл бұрын
I learned something new about math today. I think I may have found the correct way to procrastinate.
@jessstuart7495
@jessstuart7495 Жыл бұрын
All your efforts that go into making these concepts accessible for non-mathematicians like myself, is much appreciated. Thank you!
@adiscapestherune2657
@adiscapestherune2657 5 жыл бұрын
Pi + e = Pie
@Dmlaney
@Dmlaney 5 жыл бұрын
you are irrational
@qwertylello
@qwertylello 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, pie is indeed transcendental. I could eat it all my life.
@christopherellis2663
@christopherellis2663 5 жыл бұрын
Pi + de = pide
@hpekristiansen
@hpekristiansen 5 жыл бұрын
pi*e=pie
@xyz.ijk.
@xyz.ijk. 5 жыл бұрын
Ha!
@ahmedzahirxahiru
@ahmedzahirxahiru 5 жыл бұрын
I have no time for youtube these days, but I can't skip a Mathologer video. I love your work.
@danildmitriev5884
@danildmitriev5884 5 жыл бұрын
Unspeakably amazing, incredibly talented, exceptionally entertaining, and breathtakingly *ingenious* (!) is just a small part of what I could say to characterize this video. This was a truly incredible experience, and it was so heartwarming, after all of the effort, time and talent they have put into this video, to see Burkard and Marty just sit there in the chairs, like the greatest friends do, and share a hot drink :) I have the utmost respect for both of you, and I don't know anybody else who combines this kind of dedication and talent to share the beauty of mathematics with the rest of the world. I'm almost speechless! And, of course, I'm very lucky and exceedingly honored to do my (very) small part to spread these episodes as wide as possible.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Glad you like this one so much and thank you very very much for the great Russian subtitles :)
@mrigankamaulichakraborty7088
@mrigankamaulichakraborty7088 8 ай бұрын
I like how honest the channel is to its mathematical reasoning. They simplify the concepts but not at the cost of giving incorrect or incomplete reasoning.
@jwrm22
@jwrm22 5 жыл бұрын
I feel a bit light headed. Is that the same as enlightenment?
@shoopinc
@shoopinc 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@unreal-the-ethan
@unreal-the-ethan 5 жыл бұрын
en-lightheaded-ment
@ameypatil96
@ameypatil96 3 жыл бұрын
You have transcended
@maxwellsequation4887
@maxwellsequation4887 3 жыл бұрын
Eeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .... Ya gawt dat
@metalwellington
@metalwellington 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was in love once. turns out it was just gas.
@josephvictory9536
@josephvictory9536 3 жыл бұрын
Everything made sense, i really enjoyed your animation and reworkings of the A not divisible by n+1 and BCD divisible by n+1. That was the piece that made it all make sense to me. What blows me away is how intuitive the answer is and yet how insanely difficult the proof is.
@nikhilpatel6214
@nikhilpatel6214 5 жыл бұрын
For 4:55, you can show that the sum * is smaller than a geometric series with starting term 1/(b+1) and constant ratio 1/(b+1), which has a sum of 1/b, so * < 1/b.
@jaeimp
@jaeimp 3 жыл бұрын
Here it is broken down in LaTeX user-images.githubusercontent.com/9312897/83956641-4b174680-a82e-11ea-8286-8351dbdaf12d.png
@dAvrilthebear
@dAvrilthebear Жыл бұрын
I did it the stupid way, algebraicaly: The first term of the sum * is 1/(b+1) is less then 1/b by an amount equal to 1/b - 1/(b+1). Now, do the remaining terms add up to an amount greater than 1/b - 1/(b+1) ? 1/b - 1/(b+1) = (b+1-b)/(b(b+1)) 1/(b(b+1) > 1/((b+1)(b+2)) Next iteration: 1/(b(b+1) - 1/((b+1)(b+2)) = 2/(b(b+1)(b+2)) 2/(b(b+1)(b+2) > 1/(b+1)(b+2)((b+3) and so on, with each iteration we will get the same result. This only holds, if b is equal or greater then 1.
@fugmopoly
@fugmopoly 5 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to your videos! Keep up the great work
@sapemi08
@sapemi08 5 жыл бұрын
You did it guys! You kept my attention all those 36:31 minutes! Just the feeling I could overcome this , all my student life's mistery, hold me on my toes. Amazing to see the flow of arguments, it is like a minds ballet. You bring mathematics down to earth for guys like me. I have a bachelors degree in software engineering, so I am not a mathematician, but this video also gave the bonus that you can reuse math proofs just like we computer guys reuse software. AMAZING! I feel now that I can "walk through" mathematics proofs justs like reading an adventure novel. Mathematics is an adventure novel, not for the body but for the mind. You guys have my gratitude for the rest of my life. Thank You.
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo 10 ай бұрын
Yes! These KZbin Maths-videos (like Mathologer and Numberphile-videos), together with my Friend’s enthusiasm with Maths, has made me rediscover my childhood love of Mathematics. In kindergarten, I actually used to pass my time by solving Maths problems 😀. Unfortunately; a lot of school Maths make a mockery of, what Mathematics should be. Or, as I like to say: ”Virgin applied Maths vs. Chad pure Mathematics.” 😎.
@richardschreier3866
@richardschreier3866 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! This video takes us math tourists on a delightful journey to one of the glistening peaks of mathematical truth. I had long believed this fabled peak to be hopelessly remote, but your hours of work make it feel more like a walk around the block. Many thanks to you and Marty for creating such an enlightening and entertaining example of mathematical exposition.
@harrisonschindele4582
@harrisonschindele4582 3 жыл бұрын
You have got to be my favorite math youtuber, always great real maths. Keep up the great work!
@WilliamDye-willdye
@WilliamDye-willdye 5 жыл бұрын
This lesson seemed "over my head" overall, even though each step along the way was comprehensible. Probably just a case of needing more patience and/or attention span. Happily, it's a video, so I could easily watch it again. Thank you for making this video, and thank you especially for making it "hard" in the sense that I need to improve myself in order to fully understand it, but not so hard that it will take more than a few extra viewings to achieve the goal. I look forward to the day when lessons like this are available as interactive software.
@kirstenwilliams6056
@kirstenwilliams6056 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, super interesting! I found proofs completely crazy and unrelatable during my undergrad maths studies, but this video (amongst your others) makes me feel like I can actually follow them! Fantastic teaching skills and you make me interested too :)
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! The pi proof was awesome. I love this video. Nice shirt, by the way!
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
shirt.woot.com/offers/its-a-pi?Shirtoid&CJ
@Robert-jy9jm
@Robert-jy9jm 5 жыл бұрын
This is truely amazing! I appreciate your hard work tremendously! I don't know if I ever have enjoyed a youtube video as much as this one!
@apophenic_
@apophenic_ 3 жыл бұрын
This provided incredible intuitive language to understanding the relationships between these numbers and what they truly represent. Thanks so much.
@simonmeierhans6215
@simonmeierhans6215 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I always enjoy watching and I like that you somewhat lifted the degree of difficulty while remaining accessible.
@roninlviaquez
@roninlviaquez 5 жыл бұрын
Simon Meierhans dss
@TheOneThreeSeven
@TheOneThreeSeven 5 жыл бұрын
Ok that's it this video is so good I'm gonna start my own youtube channel and do math education. It's something I have wanted to do for awhile. I can't believe you are doing a video on this proof holy cow man you have some guts! I want to join you and the other awesome folks like 3blue1brown in your mission to bring the joy of mathematics to the world using the medium of video in ways that have literally never been done before.
@MistaKimSing
@MistaKimSing 5 жыл бұрын
Something I've also been looking to do for a while, it's great to see so many people wanting to share why they love mathematics! Can't wait to see yours 😄
@abdllaabozhra349
@abdllaabozhra349 5 жыл бұрын
1 3 7 .... Tetractys ???
@TheOneThreeSeven
@TheOneThreeSeven 5 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Go for it :)
@noamtashma2859
@noamtashma2859 5 жыл бұрын
I wish you success and good luck!
@MartinLanter
@MartinLanter 5 жыл бұрын
A masterpiece! Thank you for this great video with amazing animations.
@matheussilvacarvalhodeoliv7339
@matheussilvacarvalhodeoliv7339 Жыл бұрын
I don't know about you guys, but I usually come back to watch some videos like this one. Mathologer, your videos are amazing!
@nathansudermann-merx4586
@nathansudermann-merx4586 5 жыл бұрын
It is awesome. Thank you so much. What tools do you use for these amazing visualizations? Best, Nathan
@rijumatiwallis7597
@rijumatiwallis7597 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Burkard and Marti, thanks for all the hard work on this transcendent video and write up... an awesome achievement. Watching it was exhilarating and left my brain feeling like scrambled tofu (I am a vegetarian). It is amazing that such a deep proof can be turned into a KZbin friendly (well, more or less friendly) video. Well done.
@stefanomarchesani7684
@stefanomarchesani7684 5 жыл бұрын
I found this video super clear, interesting and accessible! Great work ^^
@sedeanimugamez5418
@sedeanimugamez5418 5 жыл бұрын
I have done like everything you discussed as practice on my own because I thought it was just a cool thing to know I love how it all comes together to make an easy proof great video
@andreychen6523
@andreychen6523 5 жыл бұрын
Just passing here to thank you guys for the amazing proof! It's really nice!
@gdibble
@gdibble 5 жыл бұрын
_Thank you _*_very much_*_ for all the work that went into this video_ 👍
@dscruiter
@dscruiter 5 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, your next video is a hot debated topic. I wasn"t convinced last time :)
@modolief
@modolief 5 жыл бұрын
OMG!!!! You made the video I asked for, thank you so much !!!!!!!!!! (sorry for all the factorials, I got excited)
@ljfaag
@ljfaag 5 жыл бұрын
Great video and neat proofs. I wonder if you will make a video on complex analysis to talk a bit more about the stuff that has been left out here, it's so much more elegant and enlightening than real analysis. :)
@Tim3.14
@Tim3.14 4 жыл бұрын
4:53 For the "extra credit", note that the sum is less than what you get when you replace each (b+integer) with b+1, and this gives the geometric series 1/(b+1)^k for k from 1 to infinity, which sums to 1/b. Alternatively, since all we needed was any upper bound less than 1, we could have noted that the sum is less than what you get when you replace each b with 1, and this gives the series 1/k! for k from 2 to infinity, which is the same as our original series for e with the first two terms removed, and therefore is equal to e - 2.
@xvngo
@xvngo 29 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@user-cy3do4xc2c
@user-cy3do4xc2c 4 жыл бұрын
I feel really understand this stuff now. Thank you!
@ArchimedesBC
@ArchimedesBC 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the proofs, Mathologer!
@TerminalMIT
@TerminalMIT 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I had a few glasses of wine, and was able to follow along (I think). Also my wife freaked out when she saw your superpi shirt.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
I few glasses of wine can definitely help :)
@user-nc6hu3xv4i
@user-nc6hu3xv4i 5 жыл бұрын
I want to just be one of those who says “thank you”. I understood most of it!
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
That's great :)
@user-nc6hu3xv4i
@user-nc6hu3xv4i 5 жыл бұрын
Well, technically I am not a mathematician. But I am highly interested in homological algebra. I don’t know if my “I understood” counts))
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
If you are interested and can make sense of homological algebra your "I understood" definitely counts :)
@pierineri
@pierineri 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video! (btw: instead of using a geometric series, the remainder at 4:28 may also be bounded by e/(b+1)! , just by majorization with the series of e)
@ThePharphis
@ThePharphis 5 жыл бұрын
Damn this was a tough one. I don't really see how Cauchy's theorem works here (I'm familiar with it) but I haven't looked into the details. Great video!
@CellarDoor-rt8tt
@CellarDoor-rt8tt 4 жыл бұрын
@1:54 Omg the transcendent Mandelbrot set is so beautiful that picture is awesome
@guilhermegondin151
@guilhermegondin151 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite video of the channel, just awesome.
@federicovolpe3389
@federicovolpe3389 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always fantastic! 🔝
@WilliamLeeSims
@WilliamLeeSims 5 жыл бұрын
On the flip side, I've longed for an explanation that I might be able to understand. Thanks for tackling this!
@BlaqRaq
@BlaqRaq 4 жыл бұрын
The comedy is a nice touch. It’s very rare to find “Math comedy”. But the elegance of your work is transcendental
@pradumnmaurya9575
@pradumnmaurya9575 5 жыл бұрын
Great job Sir please keep it up!
@never_dre
@never_dre 5 жыл бұрын
Art! I really loved the video!
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 5 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant tour de force Mathologer! Though familiar with Hermite's proof for e this video gave me my first insight into the proof for π. I look forward to reading the details in Marty's paper.
@MichaelRothwell1
@MichaelRothwell1 5 жыл бұрын
P. S.: The motivation provided and animation were excellent, making the proof much easier to digest. Well done!
@richardbloemenkamp8532
@richardbloemenkamp8532 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, in my opinion it now deserves seven separate videos for each step with full details and slower so that we really learn these great proofs and in the end as viewers we find that we really learned something from KZbin Mathologer that is beyond the level of even university books. One video is just not enough in my view. It may not be for everybody but it will distinguish you from other KZbin mathematicians and will give you credit in the long run I think. Actually I tried to understand transcendence proofs myself a few years back and I got stuck. You made it possible to understand them. Another idea is the unsolvable quintic equation, but Boaz Katz (youtube search) has already made a superb video on it.
@SensSword
@SensSword 4 жыл бұрын
KZbin is great at recommending the best videos right after 4 beers... Gonna have to watch this in the morning.
@deeelmore4560
@deeelmore4560 5 жыл бұрын
what is that soft guitar music? I absolutely love it. (wonderful video, btw, love your channel.)
@morelelfrancel6603
@morelelfrancel6603 5 жыл бұрын
This is the hardest Mathologer video I've ever seen and maybe not the best but, damn, what an incredible video!
@nonachyourbusiness1164
@nonachyourbusiness1164 5 жыл бұрын
Just brilliant. You go deep but hold my hand while going
@stephenholland6328
@stephenholland6328 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for just reminding me that e and pi are irrational and transcendental. I reviewed the difference between them, got to reading about irrational numbers, the Greek’s discovery of irrational numbers, the profound implications that had for understanding the real numbers, indirect proofs, the philosophical conclusions of Zeno, the astounding recency of the proofs of pi and e being transcendental, and other ideas that are still swimming in my head. And that was just after getting 11 seconds into your video. I saw that the Greek proof of the irrationality of sqrt(2) used the indirect technique of assuming that sqrt(2) was rational and expressed in lowest common factor then showing that there would be a smaller common factor. That technique was very similar to another video proof you showed, which delighted me that the approach in number theory is truly ancient and still useful. Thanks for limbering up my mind!
@Ricocossa1
@Ricocossa1 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. I was never introduced to these proofs.
@donniewking
@donniewking 5 жыл бұрын
I've watched quite a few of you videos in the past on mathematical concepts and your presentations are good. I'm not a mathematician, but I enjoy math. I look at math from a real world prospective. Though number theory is captivating, I start out with a goal in mind. For instance, I look at a real world problem and tinker around with known mathematical equations and formulas, trying to manipulate and deviate from the usual norms, in hopes of finding possible links to real world problems. I've done this with Pi. I found a way to present a geometric series for Pi using the reduction of squares. This method does not converge fast, but it is easy to really see the geometric interpretation by geometric diagrams. The thing that I'm interested in is linking this reduction of squaring method to physics, because in physics quite a few forces are linked to squares. I have further thoughts on this subject where I believe I can tie my method of finding Pi to divergence and possible gravity. I know, this sounds crazy. But can you review my video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2ndaWyDgN-nmdk And see what you think. If you think I have a sound concept, would you be interested in making a video based on my work to get my idea out to the public in a more professional manner?
@NeilMaron
@NeilMaron 5 жыл бұрын
One of your very best!!!
@legendhero-eu1lc
@legendhero-eu1lc 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! All of you friends are super awesome!
@thamilselvamthamilselvam2939
@thamilselvamthamilselvam2939 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos are nice and simple but powerful explanation. Keep it up. Thanks
@johny27618349
@johny27618349 5 жыл бұрын
inspiring, great work
@malathibhat9754
@malathibhat9754 5 жыл бұрын
Best math channel. Wish this guy was my teacher
@joelhaynie5056
@joelhaynie5056 5 жыл бұрын
Why do I watch Mathologer? Great and insightful proofs and comments like this @0:56 "The proofs are usually of the "What The Hell?" variety." I couldn't agree more!
@dylanpennington1378
@dylanpennington1378 5 жыл бұрын
I have to say: there is a certain point in this video where my understanding tops out- particularly when the calculus is integrated in the proof, because my understanding of calculus is so limited it would be better described as non-existent; however, I am actually learning new concepts when I watch these videos, and they are proving useful in math at my level. I really appreciate the way you simplify these difficult topics to there bare contents, as it allows me to peek outside my understanding, to acquire a sense that there exists a whole world of ideas in math that I have yet to learn. And, because of this awareness, I feel a strong urge to absorb any mathematical understanding I can touch. These videos bring to me fantasies of the day I understand enough calculus to fully receive the satisfaction of understanding them in full, and of understanding things beyond. I am also pleased to know that no matter how much I learn, there will always be more. I will never run out of these mind expanding revelations. All in all; really great work, and these videos are having a massive positive effect on me. I suppose this is what you set out to do, just know- you have succeeded.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
:)
@hatemykids1933
@hatemykids1933 2 жыл бұрын
3b1b has a series introducing people to calculus I believe, although considering you posted this comment 3 years ago you probably get it a little more now lol. In which case this comment is a reminder for you to come back to this video once again :)
@topquark22
@topquark22 3 жыл бұрын
I have two Master's degrees in mathematics, and still, I learned something from this video. Great job.
@Adityarm.08
@Adityarm.08 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously one of the best channels ever created on KZbin!!
@DontMockMySmock
@DontMockMySmock 5 жыл бұрын
Usually when I'm watching youtube, i play videogames or something in the background. This video, that was a mistake. This one definitely needs my full attention if I'm going to follow the proof for real! Well, I got most of it, at least. Good stuff, Mathologer!
@robertgumpi7235
@robertgumpi7235 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry Mathologer. This time you got me. Usually I understand 95% of your videos but this time I fell out at level 1 already. I think I need a numeric example to follow that thought.
@YodaWhat
@YodaWhat 5 жыл бұрын
+Mathologer -- Is there a connection between these proofs and the work on (and related to) BBP Pi, in which they show with their _experimental mathematics_ that there is an integer relationship between e and pi?
@sibsbubbles
@sibsbubbles 5 жыл бұрын
Wow this one is pretty intense, but very fascinating. I've had to re-watch several times to follow as best as I can, but it's super fun to see how this all works and comes together brilliantly. I'm curious, with that gamma function. Is there ever a reason to evaluate a non-integer as a factorial?
@InfluxDecline
@InfluxDecline 3 ай бұрын
Yes! You can find details on the internet but 0.5! would shock you
@JackSmith-jt7vh
@JackSmith-jt7vh 5 жыл бұрын
So so good. Thank you thank you. But who recorded the funky music?
@morkovija
@morkovija 5 жыл бұрын
Here goes my math brain stretching marathon. Oh boy! Thanks for the video
@poimlk2644
@poimlk2644 5 жыл бұрын
Too nice man. Thnx
@GMPranav
@GMPranav 4 ай бұрын
24:28 Ayo that sounds like Oppenheimer music. Mathologer is truly ahead of time.
@-_Nuke_-
@-_Nuke_- 5 жыл бұрын
I love this guy!
@BlaqRaq
@BlaqRaq 4 жыл бұрын
Marti, your snide remarks are welcomed. Nice touch at the end of the video.
@nathanisbored
@nathanisbored 5 жыл бұрын
this is my favorite math video
@Clemeaux_
@Clemeaux_ 5 жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much man
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo Жыл бұрын
17:00 I actually just got today that Burkard actually hints at the presence of an ”x^n” -term in the polynomial p(x) in his decomposition of the integral from 0-3 (”The polynomial p(x) will also have x^n bits; but the factorial will beat them out, in exactly the same way.”). Slick 😏!
@TechyBen
@TechyBen 5 жыл бұрын
Would this have applications to things like Quantum Mechanics? That certain things *cannot* be divided into "quanta" or specific individual elementary parts? While I could divide pi in two, I could not hold a integer number of "pi" items.
@SmileyMPV
@SmileyMPV 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I am totally going to remember the irrationality proof of e, because it is so elegant. Not so sure about the transcendence proof, though. But it is definitely very nice. By the way, I recall that e^a is transcendental for all algebraic a, which also shows i*pi is transcendental. Does the pi transcendence proof you refer to generalize in this way?
@MikeRosoftJH
@MikeRosoftJH 4 жыл бұрын
A transcendental number multiplied by an algebraic number (other than 0) can't be algebraic.
@kori228
@kori228 5 жыл бұрын
Um, the closed captions are really wonky. They each display parts of different sentences, say the end of one and the beginning of another. Also, the end of the previous line is repeated again when the line changes, which makes it very hard to follow.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, not sure what to do about this yet. KZbin changed the way it does subtitles. I usually just take whatever it produces and fix up the typos and that's good enough. But what it does now is very annoying and would waste a lot more time than usual to fix up properly.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
Fixed up the subtitles, should be fine now :)
@TheCinemaphobic
@TheCinemaphobic 5 жыл бұрын
You are all AWESOME!!
@loveforsberg530
@loveforsberg530 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I would like to define a X of real(/complex) numbers to be trancendental if no non-zero n-variate integer polynomial p has a zero in X^n. Do we know of (explicitely defined) infinite trancendental sets in the meaning just defined? I'm thinking of something like {e,e^e,e^e^e,...} or similar.
@charlesschumacher4765
@charlesschumacher4765 3 жыл бұрын
My dilemma regarding 'irrational' numbers. Assume you have an X Y coordinate system that has vertical and horizontal grids 1000/jnch. Draw a line with the 'slope' of any 'irrational' number that will NOT intersect any intersecting grid lines, which would define the 'slope' as 'rational'. Love your videos!
@t.s8025
@t.s8025 5 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Where do you get your shirts from?
@abdllaabozhra349
@abdllaabozhra349 5 жыл бұрын
From transcendental MARKeT
@Greg-xs5py
@Greg-xs5py 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thanks!
@jasperiscool
@jasperiscool 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, I absolutely love the interaction with the ‘audience’ in this video. Especially around the 21st minute.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 5 жыл бұрын
We were definitely having fun that day. The people you hear in the background were Marty Ross who I mention a couple of times in the video and Michael Franklin who sometimes helps with the recording and editing of the videos :)
@michaelfranklin9130
@michaelfranklin9130 5 жыл бұрын
Mathologer there are some great outtakes in this one!
@jaeimp
@jaeimp 3 жыл бұрын
The proof of the gamma function equation can be found here: user-images.githubusercontent.com/9312897/83958039-3db48900-a83b-11ea-85d7-c700d196a918.png
@satbirsinghphougat5179
@satbirsinghphougat5179 5 жыл бұрын
Really mind openning vistas.l appreciate the beauty ofmathematics that has been ìntroduced in level 7 to prove the transcendental nature of pie and e. Sir what are the necessary conditions that have been imposed on the analytical function p of z.Would you kindly explain...
@andrewwmitchell
@andrewwmitchell 5 жыл бұрын
Great work. Thanks.
@enricolucarelli816
@enricolucarelli816 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I feel sooo small now! This video is a “stay humble” reminder,
@dnickaroo3574
@dnickaroo3574 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such an ambitious project. At least I feel convinced that e is not the solution of a quadratic equation -- and there are the notes to check.
@Gayandproudtobe
@Gayandproudtobe 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any way to contact you to share a new type of graph I've figured out how to make and many formulae and stuff that go along with it? It's very, very interesting and focuses on the relationship between the proportions between numbers (and within themselves) to show numbers more like proportion to 1, rather than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, e.t.c.
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