Matter to Mind:Bioelectricity, Body Intelligence, Future of Regenerative Medicine- Dr. Michael Levin

[@danatowne5498]

I heard a talk by Noam Chomsky a few years ago in which he said (paraphrased), 'not only do we not have many answers about these (how biology works) things, we don't even have many good questions.' I think Dr. Levin and his team are asking good questions and it might just change the world in a good way if we are willing to put away preconceptions and biases we have grown comfortable having. Three cheers for true curiosity! :)

[@BeeStone-op1nc]

Well said

[@danatowne5498]

:) @@BeeStone-op1nc , thanks

[@entropica]

Best talk by Dr. Levin I watched so far. It is hard to overestimate the future applications that his discoveries offer. Fantastic!

[@themachine5647]

The fact that this isn't absolutely exploding all over media and magazines and news shows is mind boggling to me, but probably for the best as we still learn what it all means

[@kimartella7670]

“Your cognitive intent, of wanting to do something, changes the way molecules interact in your muscles.”

[@factchecker2090]

Basically what he is saying is: 1. Mind / Memory is all across the body and not only in the brain. 2. Mind / Memory can induce changes in any part of the body 3. Genetic Memory is not software but hardware and the software lies somewhere else which we still are not able to figure out.

[@Telencephelon]

mindblowing stuff and indeed the best talk I've listened to so far by Michael Levin who together with Joscha Bach are people I could listen to endlessly

[@estellescholtz5619]

The generosity to share this information ...... Thank you.

[@pavlovsdawg]

This is sincerely one of the most engaging presentations I've had the pleasure of experiencing. Levin has a palpable command of literature in many disciplines and the progress of his lab and collaborators speaks to the immense power of interdisciplinary study and communication. Thank you for hosting this talk and making it accessible online! :)

[@lureup9973]

The breakthroughs that are taking place right now in biology fascinates me at a deep, perhaps spiritual level…. The word beauty comes to mind. I see why people fall in love with the study of biology, life is astounding! Thank you Michael Levin, for sharing your incredible research and insights!.. amazing!

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

"`Hello birds, hello trees,' says Fotherington-Thomas."

[@lureup9973]

@@TheDavidlloydjones 😊

[@pv6830]

Why does the KZbin title is the complete opposite of the presentation title? Is this intentional or a mistake?

[@asafh04]

This blew me away

[@kimartella7670]

This is a stunning, thank you Dr. Levin

[@beeshepard]

Fantastic presentation, thanks!

[@faridabdullah9306]

Me too. Even can relisten few times,@comfort of home

[@jack_separo]

How the software is there if not facilitated by genom?

[@johnchase2148]

Started up looking at the Sun 20+ years ago and instead of going blind, eyesight improved. All my witnesses fear a social pressures from intellectual people who would not give a few minutes because they fear being judged.I am entangled with this relationship with the Sun, my collective truth while the rest of the world is in their collective ignorance.. I am curious about how much I am allowed to believe by our societies standards.

[@ginogarcia8730]

fascinating i can just watch this from the comfort of my own home

[@runnerrn2247]

What are the ion channel mutants and opti-genetics he refers to?

[@eduardmustafai7213]

Great!I believe that all this info is the foundation of what we humans are capable to do and be in near more inteligent future.

[@jackmcghie1327]

Great video of fantastic content. The curser arrow IS TOO SMALL.

[@goulchat1]

Amazing

[@andybaldman]

Levin's presentation starts at 3:00

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

"Before we get started..." appears just *after* the start. 😉🤦‍♂ Memorandum to the young lady: there is a technical term for the act of referring to your faculty advisor as "our wonderful faculty adviser," but in the interest of decorum I shall avoid repeating it here.

[@J0hnC0ltrane]

Fifty or more years ago I saw two headed planarian worms in a biology text. Did people forget about it till now?

[@capitalistdingo]

I thought I read about this years ago but maybe my memory is faulty. Hope this yields some tangible results for human medicine soon.

[@Upuaut4572]

one didn't see how mind comes from matter. What it sees, is how mind look like looking from outside

[@cosmicmuffet1053]

This is wonderful. Unfortunately we need to apply some version of it across institutions to overcome the bad incentive structure which will preclude solutions like this becoming common therapy. You can't fix cancer by electroceutical means if it interferes with the drug supply chain which controls the authoritative information stream which allows for new treatments to be accepted. Without a profitable structure that requires repeated injections/pills/treatments, these treatments will be labeled as wrong headed and we'll spend 50 years dealing with the common training teaching new doctors that it's dangerous and unfounded quackery. Oh well. Hopefully some of this will be reproduceable with kitchen sink techniques.

[@Griemz]

What the fuck... Oh what i'd give to be at the forefront with these gentlemen. Normally I wouldn't say I'd revert any lifechoices if I were given the chance, but I might just say yes on a whim.

[@CGMaat]

FROM CONSCIOUSNESS TO MATTER TO META CONSCIOUSNESS FILTERING. THE MACRO INTELLIGENCE TO THE MICRO - MUCH LIKE PHOTO SYNTHESIS OF A LEAF! ALL IS ONE ONTOLOGICAL PRIMITIVE - THE ALL THE INEFFABLE!

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

WD-40! Your stuck caps-lock key makes you look like an idjit.

[@helicalactual]

dont forget he position operator, it may rearrange the brain, but the "puzzle pieces" are still reformed into a brain, therefore all the geometry and entanglement does not, they more or less remain the same. so physiologically they are different, what about the electrophysiology?

[@r.s.e.9846]

👏👏

[@charlesbrightman4237]

Consider the following: "IF" my current view of space and time are correct, and my theory of everything is correct, 'then' everything in existence is eternally existent energy interacting with itself. 'Why' do things go to where they go to and then stop? Because the flow of energy in existence allows that to occur.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

SPACE and TIME: 'Space' is energy itself. Wherever space is, energy is. Wherever energy is, space is. They are one and the same thing. And for me, the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe. 'Space' is most probably energy itself in the form of gravitational fields, electrical fields and magnetic fields, varying possibly only in energy modality, energy density (pressure) and energy frequency (temperature). 'Time' is the flow of energy. 'Time' (flow of energy) cannot exist unless 'space' (energy itself) exists. And 'space' (energy itself) that does not flow (no flow of time / energy) is basically useless. An entity cannot even think a thought without a flow of energy. If all the energy in the universe stopped flowing, wouldn't we say that 'time stood still'? Time itself would still exist, it would just not be flowing, (basically 'time' stopped). But then also, how space and time are linked in what is called 'space time', (energy and it's flow). * And everything in existence currently appears to be eternally existent energy interacting with itself. There is truly only 1 single 'eternal day', the day of eternally existent ever flowing energy.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

Consider also: Modern science claims that all matter is made up of quarks, electrons and interacting energy. Quarks and electrons being considered charged particles, each having their respective magnetic field with them. So, electricity, magnetism, and gravity (acting upon matter), would all affect where atoms and molecules of a being might go.

[@titussteenhuisen8864]

The title is wrong way round, thoughts (mind) can direct visual matter. Thoughts (quantum phenomenon) are the basis for visual matter.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

Harvard: Do my gravity test for my theory of everything idea, and 'if' true, then potentially have the literal theory of everything for this universe.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

THINGS MODERN SCIENCE DOES NOT APPARENTLY KNOW: Consider the following: a. Numbers: Modern science does not even know how numbers and certain mathematical constants exist for math to do what math does. (And nobody as of yet has been able to show me how numbers and certain mathematical constants can come from the Standard Model Of Particle Physics). b. Space: Modern science does not even know what 'space' actually is nor how it could actually warp and expand. c. Time: Modern science does not even know what 'time' actually is nor how it could actually warp and vary. d. Gravity: Modern science does not even know what 'gravity' actually is nor how gravity actually does what it appears to do. And for those who claim that 'gravity' is matter warping the fabric of spacetime, see 'b' and 'c' above. e. Speed of Light: 'Speed', distance divided by time, distance being two points in space with space between those two points. But yet, here again, modern science does not even know what space and time actually are that makes up 'speed' and they also claim that space can warp and expand and time can warp and vary, so how could they truly know even what the speed of light actually is that they utilize in many of the formulas? Speed of light should also warp, expand and vary depending upon what space and time it was in. And if the speed of light can warp, expand and vary in space and time, how then do far away astronomical observations actually work that are based upon light and the speed of light that could warp, expand and vary in actual reality? f. Photons: Modern science claims that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it's one of the foundations of physics. First Law Of Thermodynamics: "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed." A photon is usually depicted in a sine wave pattern with the 'e' and 'm' energy fields 90 degrees to each other. The 'e' and 'm' energy fields go out together and come back in together, over and over and over, doing so even across the vast universe as far as we can see. Where does the energy in the energy fields go when both the 'e' and 'm' energy fields go to zero? And what causes the 'e' and 'm' energy fields to come back to 'full' from zero? Also, 'if' a photon actually red shifts, where does the red shifted energy go and why does the photon red shift? And for those who claim space expanding causes a photon to red shift, see 'b' above. Why does radio 'em' (large 'em' waves) have low energy and gamma 'em' (small 'em' waves) have high energy? And for those who say E = hf; see also 'b' and 'c' above. (f = frequency, cycles per second. But modern science claims space can warp and expand and time can warp and vary. If 'space' warps and expands and/or 'time' warps and varies, what does that do to 'E'? And why doesn't 'E' keep space from expanding and time from varying?). g. Energy: Modern science claims that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it's one of the foundations of physics. Hence, energy is either truly a finite amount and eternally existent, or modern science is wrong. First Law Of Thermodynamics: "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed." How exactly is 'energy' eternally existent? h. Existence and Non-Existence side by side throughout all of eternity. How? * Note: My theory of everything idea, 'if' true (currently dependent upon the results of my gravity test, but 'if' true), can potentially answer all of the above items.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

THEORY OF EVERYTHING IDEA: Revised TOE: 3/25/2017b. My Current TOE: THE SETUP: 1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism. 2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.). 3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them. 4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them. 5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them. FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO: 6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field. 7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field. 8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality. 9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons. 10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary. 11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks. 12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do. THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA: 13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc. (The 'stationary photon' does not really exist, it is mentioned basically only to help describe what a stationary photon would do.) 14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe. 15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe. 16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate. 17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure. 18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons). THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY: 19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up. 20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency. 21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies. NOTES: 22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other. 23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other. 24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well. 25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true. 26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught? DISCLAIMER: 27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

GRAVITY: WARNING: (CONTAINS EXISTENTIAL MATTERS): Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way. a. Imagine a 12 hour clock. b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions. c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions. (The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.) d. Direct a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields. e. Do this with the em fields on and off. (The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results, cancelling out the em modalities of the laser, thereby leaving behind the gravity modality.) f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects. (Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.) (And note: if done right, it's possible a mini gravitational black hole might form. Be ready for it. In addition, it's possible a neutrino might be formed before the black hole stage, the neutrino being a substance with a very high gravitational modality with very low 'em' modalities.) (An alternative to the above would be to direct 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space. Maybe I could concentrate the Sun's 'em' into a high powered laser. Might even work with the correct set up breaking the Sun's 'em' down into single 'em' energy frequencies acting like a single energy frequency laser. A high energy laser powered by the Sun. Cool, or actually pretty hot. More than one way to build a laser.) 'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done. 'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. (But hey, might even still get a Sun powered laser, which of course could even be utliized in outer space for various agendas.). This test can speak for itself. It will either be true, partly true, or not true at all. It will either show what gravity truly is, might be, or is not. Science still wins either way and moves forward. * And note: Whether my gravity test or another's, a gravitational black hole would have to be formed to prove the concept as being really true. A gravitational black hole that 'if' self fed itself, could literally wipe out this Earth and all on it, possibly this solar system, possibly put a black hole in this section of our galaxy, and potentially even causing a ripple effect in this galaxy and surrounding universe. But hey, if it does, no worries. Nobody would be left to prosecute those who did so. (Possibly famous last words: "Hey, it worked. Ooooppppssss.................) But as NASA has already proven that low gravity conditions over a prolonged period of time is harmful to the human species, and large rotating space ships won't really work for space bases on planets and moons, those space bases probably being needed somewhere along the way out of this solar system and galaxy, we need to figure out what gravity truly is and see if we can generate artificial gravity so as to have smaller space ships and proper gravity conditions for space bases on planets and moons. Otherwise, at least all human life will most probably die and go extinct one day. Currently, no exceptions. * Added note: Just trying to save at least 1 single species from this Earth to exist beyond this Earth so that life itself from this Earth has continued meaning and purpose to. Gives me something to do while I exist, otherwise, what is it all and everything for? Even if my TOE idea were correct, but if it did not help species survive beyond this Earth, what good would it ultimately be? So, are you feeling lucky? Doing nothing and at least the entire human species eventually dies and goes extinct with a high degree of certainty. Doing a gravity test, (mine and/or another's), and there is at least a slim chance of literally wiping out this entire Earth and all on it, and possibly more. Do you and other's truly want me to prove my TOE idea as being really true? But also: Questions: Are at least some black holes in this universe due to a species who were trying to discern what 'gravity' truly was, came up with a test to do so, were successful, but the black hole generated (to prove what gravity truly was) self fed itself and wiped them and at least their entire planet out? What species might have existed where a black hole now resides? (Since all of life itself is ultimately meaningless in the grand of scheme of things anyway, do the gravity test and see what occurs?) * Added note: Suggestion: 'IF' society did not want to do the gravity test, one suggestion might be to at least create a model as if it were true, then see how that model matches with observations and predictions. It might be possible to discern the theory of everything without actually generating a gravitational black hole (which would definitely prove the TOE idea as being really true). _____________________________________________________________

[@ginogarcia8730]

what the fingertips!

[@JAYMOAP]

I really like Levin ideas. The only problem I see with these models that we have almost zero information of our internal processes, and if cells would process information in a meaningful way it wouldn't serve adaptation nor evolution. Our experiences almost entirely external, with a boundary condition against inner processes. The mind is not a physical entity, so it doesn't exist physically, it's merely a projection of substrates nothing to do with your liver cells.

[@jyjjy7]

Consciousness is largely part of a predictive cognitive model of the self interacting with its immediate environment. That no other types of information processing, whether in the brain or elsewhere, would possibly serve adaptation or evolution is an odd thing to claim, especially in context of Levin describing key biological functions dependent on such. Just because consciousness may not be directly informed by anything the liver cells may be doing doesn't mean its function isn't dependent on some local distributed information processing.

[@davonbenson4361]

⁠​⁠@@jyjjy7. Saying that something is local and distributed is an oxymoron.

[@jyjjy7]

@@davonbenson4361 No it isn't. We are talking about a physical entity made of disparate subsystems compromised of different organs, which are in turn comprised of different tissues, which are made of individual cells. Life processes, such as consciousness, can be dependent on/informed by things going on all throughout the body at different locations and heirachical levels of functionality. Things can be local at the organism level while not so on any of the individual levels within its compositional heirachy. For a clear example the 9 brains of an octopus operate in a distributed network, yet obviously they are local to the octopus itself.

[@davonbenson4361]

@@jyjjy7. Ok, just because something is physical, that doesn’t mean it’s material. Light doesn’t have mass, but it can still interact with things. Lol, the organs may be local, but the consciousness flowing through them is still no local, if it’s divided among several points in space time, or among different organs. The consciousness itself can’t be both local and non local.

[@jyjjy7]

@@davonbenson4361 Consciousness is a computation, which is a physical process. Consciousness is "local" to the body in the same way something like San Andreas is "local" to a display connected to a PlayStation running GTA. San Andreas is a symbolic abstraction that does not have a location, but it is dependent on a computation local to the PlayStation, which is is also a resultant from information processing distributed throughout several different processors of which the PlayStation consists, in part. There are important differences between consciousness and a video game, both in form and function, but the analogy covers what we are talking about rather well imo. Also light does have mass resultant from Einstein's famous mass energy equivalence. Almost all of the mass in everything, including you and I, is the result of this equivalence in the same way, with only a tiny fraction being due to the intrinsic inertial mass imparted via Higgs interaction. I'm not really interested enough in the semantics of the word material to say more and I don't see the relevance particularly.

[@hosoiarchives4858]

. 3:03 starts

[@petraahnell8557]

Matter to mind or mind to matter?

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

Mnyuh. Or vice versa. To get anything over C-minus you should maybe try something witty from Kant, or at least Peter Sellers, on The Dialectic.

[@larry7397]

If you don't mind, it don't matter!

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

@@larry7397 Mind is the little mechanism that says "I'm the mind, not like that other guy..."

[@SpenderDebby-x6n]

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[@stevengill1736]

Nested dolls = Matryoshka dolls from Russia originally I believe - interestingly there's a video file type that uses the same concept of nested hierarchies. And the body as the product of 3D printing? (not what he said, but it's an interesting concept) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_set_collection