Making a Bowl | Turning Tuesday #4

In this episode of Turning Tuesday, I have a go at making a bowl for the first time in my life. This is something that I've watched countless demonstrations of, but never been confident enough to get involved. I hope you enjoy!
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[@MattEstlea]

If you enjoyed this video, don't forget to press the *LIKE* button. It really helps me out!

[@timfoster6892]

Nice to see you enjoying wood turning! The bumps are caused by the end grain, basically you have two patches of course end grain deflecting the gouge off the round! lighter cuts at a faster speed can help. Think of the blank as pages of a book, open a large book and rub your finger from centre to edge, then in the other direction and feel the difference! That`s what your gouge feels!

[@Kikilang60]

There is something satisfying about using a lath.

[@macbilling6410]

Great job Matt. The rattling your getting is because your hold the gouge at a to acute angle, try hold it more at a 30 deg angle.

[@wortheffort]

Good Job. A bigger bite and gliding the bevel will help with the spiraling (bumpy cut).

[@devoux237]

Love your channel! Nice to see you here.

[@909sickle]

​@@devoux237 He is everywhere. Every time I watch a woodworking video, he has beat me there by several hours! It's always worth the effort to learn, create, and floss after every meal! I think I got that right.

[@prevailcallswoodturning3509]

Also doesn’t seem to have his gouge anchored very firmly to the rest

[@MrTegidTathal]

I am not a turner at all, but physics wise, doesn't he want a flatter angle on his tool so it pushes down into the toolrest rather than his arms? More 90 degrees to the bowl?

[@dubiousdigit2539]

A smaller gouge works as well to change the ratio of cut width to depth. This reduces the amount of effort required to perform the cut.

[@jacknicholls10]

Fantastic job Matt, glad you've got your drive back, imagine it quite difficult when feeling like you need to kick stuff out all the time for us, but it is appreciated and I personally learn a lot and get that motivation to plunge my self in to my wood shop 👍. P.s can you make me a japanese noodle bowl, and send it up to Leeds, it wood be really appreciated. S*it joke, I know!

[@midi510]

Very nice bowl. How about a wooden goblet? That should be a challenge.

[@neiledgley]

I was always told that when using a bowl gouge the flute should not be facing upwards at all, it should be used with flute on the side travelling either toward or away from you. I was told to draw a felt tip pen line up the middle of the flute and that I should not be able to see that line when using the bowl gouge. Good job with the bowl

[@thicknight1]

Great series. Tail support is still useful when truing up the bowl at the start.

[@boblaw3296]

Looks very nice Matt.

[@michaelespineira5833]

Scrapers are used below 90 deg from the tool rest . Only carbide tools are used at 90 deg. or higher at the tool rest. The chatter you get on the side of the bowl is from the spindle barring being out of line with the center of the work.

[@chrisditchburn8337]

I think we all go through peaks and troughs in whatever we do keep at it mate..

[@SteveZodiac777]

Good job Matt!

[@suffolkmillwright2711]

Every woodturner has their own grind preference, I’ve been turning for twenty years and still change my mind but I think you would find my grind much easier, it’s just a learning curve. 👍

[@johannpcurry]

looks like a lot of fun. I would watch some videos on lathe safety. Those long sleeves could be the end of your arms.

[@bradleytwebster9314]

this series is by far your best. It's great to watch you learn and develop new skills. That bowel really makes me wanna give it a go!

[@MillerMade]

Its really refreshing seeing someone as skilled as yourself (in the woodworking community) making mistakes. I have turned so many recesses on bowl blanks only to realize that i didn't make it big enough, or in some cases to big. Loving the this series

[@cockerspanielhome]

Learning is good, please be careful and don't get hurt. I am enjoying your efforts and appreciate your videos.

[@richardgarrow9260]

That came out great looks really nice

[@westsaxoninwales]

I’m really enjoying this series. It’s great to see some one with so much knowledge being as clueless as I am about turning.

[@909sickle]

Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind you tool choices and techniques. It's good for newbs like me. I am learning more about turning in this series than from some expert videos that don't explain much.

[@colinhawkins8265]

Good work, Matt. I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. The bowl looks beautiful!

[@neilrelph-olivewoodturning4330]

Well done for your first bowl, great job. Love this Turning Tuesdays series. As for the switch on the extractor, I’ve seen a bathroom pull cord used for that type of installation (just make sure the electrics are safe).

[@MJ-nb1qn]

Good looking bowl. Be proud for making a beautiful piece and trying what you have never done. You just opened a whole new world of possibilities.

[@heyimamaker]

Love turning bowls, +wortheffort said what I was going to suggest. When the bowl gouge is doing its thing it’s basically perfection.

[@TheHurlyclaw]

That's pretty nice looking bowl you made there. Well done

[@wb_finewoodworking]

Great job Matt. You’re now way ahead of me on turning. I haven’t attempted my first bowl and after seeing you give it a go the next time I have some time for a lathe project I think I’ll try one.

[@matthiaskoch5647]

Well done, thank you.

[@woodturnerjosh]

From the looks of that vibration I'd say it's caused by putting too much pressure on the bevel. You should be gliding the bevel over the surface rather than rubbing it agains the wood. When you push too hard the cross grain section compress but the end grain doesn't so you create a bounce that progressively gets worse. Stuart Batty's videos on Vimeo will tell you everything you need to know and more.

[@alimaleki217]

Very nice job, Matt!

[@TheLindsay720]

That’s a nice looking bowl, chief. Well played!

[@markharris5771]

I think it’s amazing, it’s your first bowl and only 4th time on the lathe. I wish I could get so good with a new tool so quickly.

[@murphymmc]

One of my favorite species of wood. Beautiful.

[@ADBanks]

Matt you did a great job making your first bowl. I’ve been following all your work just like you I’m just starting in turning scary at times but I like the challenge, my father and grandfather always told me if you don’t make mistakes you’re not learning; true saying keep up the great work Matt I’m rooting for you.

[@jboatman81]

Wonderful job, dude. Your progress in just a few weeks is very good and may show motivation to beginners and good on you for doing turning Tueadays.

[@blueblur6447]

I discovered your channel searching for some tool break downs and subscribed soon after... I have been turning for 2 years, and have really enjoyed the small item turning. I have enjoyed this Tuesday diversion into a niche of the wood working hobby I enjoy tremendously. Fun to see high quality content coming from someone still learning as myself. Keep up the good work on all fronts!

[@charleslanier1992]

Awesome job. Can't wait to see what you try next.

[@jimbaker2565]

Your scraper should point down so the cutting edge is low then it it uses the burr from sharpening to cut, lovely bowl

[@Shinlung66]

Awesome first bowl Matt.

[@ryaldeveau207]

Im loving this. Im soon enough putting my wood shop together, starting with a lathe and bandsaw, seeing what your having issues with shows me what ill be looking forward to.

[@JontyAshWoodworks]

Nice video Matt, I'm impressed, the bowl looks great. I haven't tried turning yet but it looks fun for sure.

[@mattalsager3035]

I think I was just as nervous as you were. Great job! It's the start of a lovely set of salad bowls :)

[@MikeBramm]

You did a great job. Hard to believe that was your first bowl.

[@richardgoebel226]

Matt, good bowl for your first time. I wish I had your eye on shape and proportion. Regarding the vibration try higher speed, present the gouge at a different angle, use a different cutting edge off the point, more pressure or less pressure into the wood and solid downward pressure on the tool rest. Most of all (which you already know) sharp tool! Note each species of wood acts different. Osage Orange and Olivewood are easy compared to Bloodwood and Purpleheart. Good luck & have fun!

[@GrahamOrm]

Great result.I've still got my first one. You'll save that for ever.

[@mathewanderson2400]

Great video! I’m starting out turning too and it’s nice to have someone to turn to also in the thick of the learning curve

[@williamsimpson2083]

You should make a mallet because it's something that you can use in the workshop aswell and of your liek me then youll find it satisfying to use tools that you made yourself

[@MattEstlea]

It's on the list. Just sourcing some Lignum Vitae :)

[@woodturnerbloke555]

Hi Matt, Really nice meeting you at Newark and looking forward to meeting up on the 14th April. If I had known you were new to woodturning I would have had a chat then. Having watched this video your problem with bouncing is due to speed and sharpness as well as using the bevel. Most new turners are nervous of putting the speed up on a lathe. Especially if it's their first go. The bowl you are making in the video looks like its spinning about 1000 - 1600rpm. For a bowl of this size you need to get it up to about 2500 rpm for a finishing cut. Your chisel needs to be sharp which it looks like it is. Also as previously mentioned riding the bevel will give you a cleaner cut. It also looks like your lathe is bouncing a bit on the bench but that could be the camera just moving. The lathe needs to be rock solid on the bench. Absolutey no movement at all in terms of flexing. Having said all that it could just be nerves on your part as well. Happy to give you a few pointers on the 14th April at Mikes. Regards Martin

[@ryanallthewiser]

Well done Matt.

[@haitchycook]

You clever sausage! 💕

[@StuffUCanMake]

Your videos are a pleasure to watch.

[@mamabearssheshedtracykeato6941]

I don't think it truly was the tool itself, but the wood itself causing the shaking. I think what was happening as you were getting into hard and soft grain in that area. Making it harder on the outside lip and on the inside lip itself. Sometimes that happens with dry wood. Many blessings to you Matt! I love your videos!

[@cando9609]

Cheers Matt. Great bowl! First time??? C'mon! Well done on both the bowl and the video. Thanks again.

[@mirceacostineanu4103]

Matt you really are doing great for someone who has no ideea what he is doing and is learning only through KZbin.you can learn like that,with no courses or something.that how i learned to do leatherwork...just watching a Billion tutorials and starting to make my own little simple projects...Now i am getting to learning a bit of woodworking through youtube...simple things at first...it can be done...it just takes a bit longer without proper guidance,but you can do it. P.S. you should make a mallet next week...it's one of the projects that everyone has to make when they are woodturning and you could put it right along youre first dovetail in the glass cabinet in youre shop,or you could use it...and try to apply youre finish when the thing youre making is on the lathe,just at a lower speed...i think it will apply better and it is going to burnish at the same time...many turners do that,i think you noticed....any way...keep it up...you are an inspiration to many ;)

[@artisanstiles9968]

Looks great, Matt! Well done!

[@matthewspicer1439]

Love your videos, just a note on turning. You may want to move your tool rest up so you're cutting above the center line. The higher above the center line you are the more the turning sends the tool back to you instead of pulling it down, this is more important for the bringing it to round portion. You obviously don't want to be too high because then you can't cut, so when bringing something to round you generally just want to be cutting maybe 10-15 degrees up (normally setting your rest top with center/slightly above with large radius's does the trick).

[@eduardvaniersel7535]

Some things you can do to reduce shake: - push the gouge down harder on the tool rest - take a bit heavier cut - close up the flute of the gouge a bit more (more horizontal) - speed up the lathe a little - get a bigger lathe good luck :)

[@stephengriffith1605]

Great job you made it look easy

[@joshbegg1990]

Haha mate when I saw that the resses on the bottom was too small it was a really hart felt moment I'm just a new turner and the amount of times I've done this too haha awesome work tho mate looks amazing I'm looking forward to next Tuesday!!

[@PeterOConnl]

First bowl or 50th bowl that's a damn good job!

[@MattEstlea]

Cheers Peter!

[@coolhandxxx]

Good job. A beauty, just need to make 5 more the same for a set 😁

[@derekwilkinson7939]

That’s a nice bowl. Well done.

[@sidknowles4752]

I also use that type of lathe now my larger is a very heavy lathe and is more stable, having researched causes of lathe vibration with the smaller lathes I added more weight to my bench ( 4 bags of sand ) now its so much more stable.

[@AdamHowie]

As a non-woodworker been really enjoying this series watching you learn... if (although I am sure you have) you've not seen his work already I highly recommend Frank Howarth while I am not sure how useful it will be in a learning process but as inspiration it may be good. I would have said Peter Brown too but his work is... well... different :)

[@bazzatron9482]

Maybe Nick Zammeti would be a nice compromise between the two... He's also weird... 😂

[@nathanhedrick6409]

Close the flute when you enter the cut then open it after the cut is started

[@josephdarland7001]

I get the most enjoyment out of things that I can use, try making a Peppermill

[@howardmoots]

Joseph Darland I commented the same on another video of his, I’d like to see him make one as well, nice suggestion!!!

[@lachlans7644]

Try changing the angle of the tool (so the bevel is riding less) - this will also likely give you a bigger cut. I also recommend that you rotate the tool more when push cutting ( the tool should be rotated slightly towards the cutting direction, and the chips shouldn't be coming off the opposite side of rotation). This should also give you a cleaner cut.

[@ZombieWoodturner]

its partly the angle of your tool and partly that you dont have the tail stock push up tight to provide support.

[@dougdugan3358]

Try Brian Havens vid series, he is a good instructor. You did great for a first bowl, getting the rim done earlier will make it better for you

[@alexanderblaszczyk1685]

Good job for the first time i dont now if you have seen those deep "scraches" on the side those are the problem you can youse the side cutting edge to get rid of those its becouse the bowl gouge hase a pointi tio an the grain is in divrent directions even when you turn with even pressur it is very hard to make a perfect surface so you can youse the side cutting edge ore a normal sharp scraper like i do it🤘

[@arbitrarystuff1229]

It's lathe shake. You have a heavy piece of wood spinning on a small lathe with no tail support and you're pushing at a point wider than the headstock. Its harmless - Put in tailstock when roughing out to avoid. After that, all pressure is applied to the headstock or closer to the the centre of rotation so the force is reduced. hope this helps

[@arbitrarystuff1229]

also record power's wormscrew is an easier way to turn bowls. it just fits into a chuck - I use a RH thread in an SC3 chuck.

[@raduvadan]

@@arbitrarystuff1229 spiralling bumps do not come from lathe vibration, they are caused by tiny catches in endgrain combined with the wrong kind of pressure being exerted on the gouge by your leading hand.

[@stefanjohansson7601]

These bumps amplify, since you try to let the bevel rest on the wood (which is bumpy). A possible solution to get rid of the spiraling bumps is to start a cut at a point without bumps and then make a cut deep enough to get rid of both valleys and bumps.

[@arbitrarystuff1229]

@@@stefanjohansson7601 You're right but also when the wood dries, there are areas that are more and less dense. This accentuates the affect and causes the shake even when the tool is not in contact. As you remove material, this effect is reduced as it all gets lighter and the torque/rotational momentum "force" that helps with the shake it also reduces.

[@dubiousdigit2539]

It's very difficult (depending on your kit i suppose) to re-center a piece when switching between the face plate and expanding collar chuck. Sometimes it's better to finish the base of the bowl while on the face plate and then the rest of the underside when on the chuck... especially for thinner walls.

[@christiaanbarnard2438]

Well done mate. You making me think of getting a lathe again🤔🤔

[@dibblethwaite]

I'm no expert, I've been turning wood for about a year. However, I I think your problems early on were due to your blank being out of balance and making your lathe vibrate. I don't think I saw you face off the front surface. That should help. Also, you can Bing the tailstock up to provide more support. That might help too.

[@janhemmer8181]

Looks great! For a next project: a few years ago a friend asked me to make a torus of diameter 200 mm and the small diameter of 30 mm. I had to invent a way to achieve that. I am curious about how you will do it..

[@josiahlacey8660]

It looks amazing! Especially for a first try.👌🤘 There's a video about Stuart Batty demonstrating his 40-40 grind which helped me out a ton... When you put the jaws on the chuck, just snug the screws done, then close the jaws fully and then tighten the screws... that way the jaws will line up perfectly and then the bowl should run dead true with no wobble. (Also, what wood is it?... or did you already say?)

[@richardgoebel226]

The Stuart Batty video I saw was from the Mid-Maryland Woodturners. Almost 2 hours long but very enjoyable and extremely knowledgeable. Get your cup of coffee, a pencil and notepad.

[@josiahlacey8660]

@@richardgoebel226 yes, that's the one.

[@billtiffin8298]

Hi Matt. I think you might have inspired Worth the Effort. He just put out a Video on turning your first bowl

[@raysmith1992]

You are making me want a lathe now! 😬

[@MillerMade]

Come to the bark side

[@EscapeMCP]

No Ray.. you need a lathe, Matt's just trying to push you toward it! It's a great addition to any workshop... in fact, it's more a toy than a tool. Great fun to turn stuff and at the end, you even get something useful out of it. Buy one NOW! :) Cheers, Aidan (Director of the UK Lathe Retailers Association ) ;)

[@stefanschachler831]

Is there any chance,that you continue with your workbench? All the turning stuff is nice, but I prefer watching your other projects😉

[@MattEstlea]

Yea I am :) I accidentally filmed too much again. I have 8 hours of footage to cut down -.-

[@470ejd]

Matt, you need to find the Stuart Batty demos on youtube and vimeo...

[@mathiasdamgaard-iversen1012]

It might be that the not sharp end of the bevel (the heel) is rubbing against the wood - i normally grind the heel back so you avoid this problem :)

[@jakewwwjake]

Bowl turned out great. I highly recommend searching "Stuart Batty demonstrates bowl turning with his 40/40 grind " as one other user I saw mentioned. Worth the investment in time to watch. In it, at about 27min, he talks about that wobble/gouges you're getting. I'm not 100 percent sure it is what's happening to you but it was to me. My issue was my technique, I was attempting a push cut where the tip of the gouge cuts and the bevel follows behind as it rides on that newly cut surface. As I was cutting, I was pushing sideways on the bowl with the tool while making the cut. The side grain would compress slightly, making a deeper cut but the end grain would push the tool out as it came around, making a shallower cut thus making a slightly oval cut. As I moved down the piece, the bevel would ride in that oval I turned, guiding my cut and further amplifying the issue. My hand closest to the tool rest was pushing the bevel of the gouge in on the bowl instead of keeping the tool secure against the rest. I've since been very focused on using my left hand to keep the tool down and my right hand to guide the cut. That's the best I can describe it but like I said, that Stuart Batty video is well worth your time. One last thing, keep your tools sharp. You may have done so off camera, but I would've probably sharpened that gouge a few times through the course of making that bowl depending on how much material I could take off with eat pass. Keep up the good work. The bowl turned out great.

[@timfowler4642]

Support your piece with a live center on your tail stock when turning.

[@mmkat99]

I have a blank of figured maple I need to make a bowl out of. It’ll be my first one

[@MattEstlea]

Good luck!

[@dmartin1650]

Nice job. As for the bounce, perhaps make sure the rest is just above the center line and try holding the gouge more parallel to the floor. From what I can see you seem to have the gouge at about 45 degrees which seems a little steep. Then again, I have limited experience so take my advice with the appropriate pinch of salt :)

[@williamreadon9052]

i have an idea for you to consider how about how to make fantastic miters, i love woodworking but my miters SUCK, they're OK for GC and painted trim but when i need ones for cabinet making they suck

[@nielsseyer]

Take a look at Tim Yoder's videos. He explains it pretty good

[@GrahamOrm]

Try and get hold of some lime (lyme?) it's like turning cheese, gorgeous to work with. (The carvers choice).

[@001CHRISBLACK]

When trueing up the circumference you should be cutting from side to side cutting into the end grain not square on, same issue as what you said not to do with the spindle roughing gauge ...

[@jeffdutton1910]

hi Matt, I can see a bit of wobble at the "corner" of your blank, which suggest that the face isn't true...this may contribute somewhat to the vibration you're getting. If you true the face, then come back to the edge it may improve. Also, you'll always feel the transitions from long grain to end grain as vibration. An overhand grip to keep the tool tight to the tool rest may help as will keeping the tool more parallel to the floor. Great job, and good luck with future turnings.

[@MattEstlea]

Thank you Jeff, I'll give it a go.

[@valerejasson1035]

Hey Matt, what's the essence of this wood. Looks a lot like Iroko. If it is be careful and use a good breathing mask since it's known to be very toxic. Anyway, Loved your video, as always. See you in the next one.

[@bazzatron9482]

Gorgeous first bowl Matt! Had to laugh when the jaws were too large for your mortice, definitely been there - ended up buying the F dovetail jaws for my clubman chuck rather than remount. I like to cut some coves into the bottom face of my mortice, just to add a bit of interest to the recess. You're also not supposed to bottom out the jaws on the recess as this can and up tilting the bowl and your front will be out of parallel with your base if that makes sense? I've never really paid too much heed, as I'm not a production turner! I don't know about the rattling, but I'm curious to see what others say! Recommend getting or making a bowl sander. I've got the deluxe one from our favourite tool supplier Axminster, and it's done me proud, so satisfying to use! Great series, even as a guy with some turning experience it's really nice to see the pooling of knowledge into these videos and watching your progress. I always feel super motivated to get into the workshop once I've watched your stuff - shame it's -3°C out there right now...!

[@MattEstlea]

Great pointers, thank you! Yes my workshop is much the same temperature at the moment. Makes it so difficult to work/film!

[@bazzatron9482]

@@MattEstlea well bravo for keeping at it. I've had my pen mandrel sitting by the front foot since Xmas! Looking forward to seeing more!

[@adrianbrewer1708]

Well done Matt. How long did it take to turn in total ? Regards

[@simonfournier-boulanger3536]

About your question on bounciness after the bowl is round. Stuart Batty explains it pretty well in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGilm4WZiKmoqK8 I still use an Irish grind to turn the outside of my bowls, but I try to use his technique and I think it makes a difference

[@btlxguitars7606]

I have to ask, how on earth do you keep your workshop looking so pristine and clean? After 5 minutes of work, mine is always submerged under three feet of dust, shavings and chippings...

[@MattEstlea]

Clean it at the end of every day ;)

[@btlxguitars7606]

@@MattEstlea lol, that's what I get for asking a stupid question hahaha... Dude, I love your channel... It was your two bass builds that got me hooked... You need to build another guitar... You can never have too many guitars...

[@robohippy]

Those concentric rings down the inside walls of your bowl come from the sharp bevel edge on your gouge. Most of the time we will hand grind at least half of that off. Using the scraper on the rim and inside wall of a bowl is dangerous. Most of the time it wants to catch, especially since the wall is thin and has no mass to back up any tool pressure. The walls want to flex, going long on the end grain, and short on the side grain. Do find a mentor. If nothing else, you will save a lot of sanding time.

[@stephenash611]

Good job on your first bowl, check out Captain Eddie Castelin on how to use the bowl gouge also check out Wyomingwood turner and Carl Jacobson

[@OldcastleGov]

Sounds like you have a concave bend in your bevel edge, whereby the cutting edge of the chisel is flush to the piece, then the bevel bends in and then back out again, thus not all the bevel is hitting the wood at the same time......flatten the bevel, see if that works

[@tomr2162]

Check out "stuart batty 40/40 grind" video. It's very informative and addresses the skipping issue

[@roevskagg]

That looks really good for a first bowl! =) What wood is it? In the future, consider getting a Forstner drill bit (drillsandcutters.com/2-forstner-drill-bit/ for example) I use those when turning bowls from green wood, instead of attaching pieces to the wood, I get to remove material to fit the "dovetail chuck". Not sure if this works with dry wood though since the Forstner bits kind of eat away lots of material due to the size. And obviously, get one that matches the measures of your chuck. =)