I've been a fan for years, I ended up buying the plans for the pantorouter a while back but I didn't need them, I had already built a pantorouter based on your videos. I just felt like you deserved it, so I bought the plans.
@kaboomer134 жыл бұрын
I bought plans for your pantorouter a couple years ago. I got the build half done. A couple Saturdays ago I got it out and started finishing it. I'm very excited!
@jeffj24954 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to hear an estimated number of hours you ended up spending on the DIY version.
@carterscustomrods3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffj2495 it took myself more than 90 hours to make a pantorouter cabinet... but I only have 1 arm, and thus, missing certain tools (Table Saw, Bandsaw, etc.)
@jeffj24953 жыл бұрын
@@carterscustomrods That's impressive, no matter how many hours it took. A very complex woodworking tool!
@sb_boiler2 жыл бұрын
Я тоже купил, нет времени пока даже посмотреть)
@John10183 жыл бұрын
I got the metal pantorouter today!! set it up and made a cart all today! thank you, and I'm happy you got a piece of my router! well a piece of the cost...
@179317932486504 жыл бұрын
It's so nice to see you posting more and more these days.
@StormBurnX4 жыл бұрын
I'm at 5:30 and I can't help but think that this is the PERFECT use for a small, simple 3D printer. Instead of relying on a bunch of pre-made pieces that never quite add up to the right size, you could just make your own set of plastic templates at the sizes you actually want and need
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
3d printers are far too slow.
@StormBurnX4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel Something like that could be printed in the amount of time you'd take to eat some lunch, though - people tend to mistakenly think of 3D printing as an active process rather than a passive one.
@AlbertFilice3 жыл бұрын
That breakdown at the end, makes total sense. I'm glad you get a commission for the metal pantarouter.
@leafgreensniper134 жыл бұрын
I love how his videos haven’t changed all the much, but have improved in quality
@Trydntru4 жыл бұрын
I still enjoy your videos all these years later.
@marcoschwanenberger31274 жыл бұрын
Love seeing Pantorouter content!
@LogHouseFarm4 жыл бұрын
I suppose the overlap between the two options would be those who start the build and give up and buy the factory one.
@i679n54 жыл бұрын
Or Matthias? ;)
@andrewford804 жыл бұрын
Present, sir.
@Forbes1233 жыл бұрын
haha something I would do.
@carterscustomrods3 жыл бұрын
I started it, built it (with no table saw, bandsaw, etc) and can't physically use it. Lol. I figured I could make it work with one arm, but after many MANNNY hours trying, I've officially had to give up. I did the best with a mouth-gaurd that I attached to the sled arm mechanism... but it was inefficient. It's a beauty as well... it hurts to finally give up on it. But my mind can only take so much. 🤷 lol
@rpavlik14 жыл бұрын
The tapered template to provide a size fine-adjust is a very clever idea, I like it!
@mc_cpu4 жыл бұрын
3D print the templates! With Open SCAD you could parameterise it all.
@marks474 жыл бұрын
He can probably still make them faster, but with a .8mm nozzle and using .5mm layer height at least it would be tolerable... probably.
@angusross-thomson12884 жыл бұрын
I plan to do that in Freecad. I don’t make them that often, and my brain hurts too much every time I make another size and try to remember how to do it!
@SuperAWaC4 жыл бұрын
it's way faster to just make the templates out of wood.
@KeithOlson4 жыл бұрын
I was about to say that. With the built-in Customizer, he would just have to change the parameters to create one of a different size or shape. (Heart-shaped through mortises *would* be pretty cool, for example.)
@nathansmith52294 жыл бұрын
good to see the continual improvements on the metal panto router.
@peggyt12434 жыл бұрын
I am pleased to hear that you now get a commission from the metal pantorouter sales. You deserve it.
@JasperJanssen4 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, that has always been the case? Or at least from very near the beginning.
@fumthings4 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen the website says that as he invented the machine he has always received a royalty
@aoife84154 жыл бұрын
seeing you do all this is simultaneously really impressive, and something that makes me extremely glad i cut my tenons on the tablesaw with a dado stack. for production work with lots of repeated tenons, or more complicated shapes, or double tenons, i can really see the value of this.
@billqqq4 жыл бұрын
Scrimper here, as well - bought the plans years ago. Brilliant design, either way, Matthias. Very handy tool.
@RichardGreco4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Your explanation of bits and bearings was much clearer to me then others.
@ellisc.foleyjr97784 жыл бұрын
I'm not that adapt to the skill set you have. but enjoy all your videos and especially the ones with your pantorouter. been enjoying your latest "comeback" videos. glad you are and have mended well. and glad to see you making some "Sheckles" for your efforts. your deserve it for all your efforts. you bring much satifaction and joy to us all. God speed.
@davidcahan3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I get a kick out of your "jokes", but I do. I couldn't help but smile also when you explained that the 2 machines don't compete with each other
@trooperjoe734 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos. As a weekend warrior, I don't think I'm ready for this yet.
@billybobjoe1984 жыл бұрын
If you were to use a 1" follower bearing when cutting with your 1/2" bit you wouldn't need to think too hard when making a template, right? Just twice the size of what you want to make. I'm not sure you can get a 1" follower bearing, to work on those shafts, just thinking.
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
That's right.
@rpnp24 жыл бұрын
I have no need for a pantorouter, but its always cool when he makes a video on one
@beyonddeath1234 жыл бұрын
do a video using the metal pantarouter to build the wood one, then you'll get overlap :D
@doggfite4 жыл бұрын
This man 3d printed a Prusa with his Alibaba 3d printer, guaranteed.
@rainerzufall6894 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, because everyone needs at least 3 Pantorouters - just like you need at least 5 bandsaws :) A small one, a big one, an even bigger one, one with more power and the one you still have to tweak so it will be better than all the other ones but your wife doesn't allow you to spend even more time in the worksh...I mean garage.
@ScottWalshWoodworking4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to find bearings in imperial for followers, but I discovered that you can use a pack of router bit bearings that all have a 3/16" ID and a wide variety of OD ranging from 3/8" to over 1". I made the follower clamp on my wooden pantorouter fit a 3/16" shaft and it works out perfectly. You can buy a pack of these router bit bearings on amazon for about $15.
@ScottWalshWoodworking4 жыл бұрын
Another tip for making wooden templates: When I need to make a new template of a certain thickness that I do not have, I make a really long length of template "stock" that I can cut to length for different widths in the future.
@danielscheibe86944 жыл бұрын
very helpful and explanatory i still don't get why anyone would even consider downvoting a video like this...
@Corum0014 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mattias for helping people use their minds. Sorry that doesn't pay the bills though.
@azashukri53224 жыл бұрын
This machine has always impressed me.
@esotericsean4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to have my own garage/workshop someday so I can finally build myself a pantorouter.
@frankdev4 жыл бұрын
9 minutes exactly... you devious Matthias
@jecceworks4 жыл бұрын
9:01
@absolutmauser4 жыл бұрын
I’m like half way through my wooden pantorouter build and I keep looking at the metal one like I should buy this damn thing 😁
@absolutmauser4 жыл бұрын
This would maximize Matthias’ profits
@gregthorne42924 жыл бұрын
There's very little overlap. You're at the center of the Venn diagram
@dennisa61323 жыл бұрын
2:30 The sizing of that slot lengthwise is kinda critical I discovered, just winging it resulted in a template that didn't work because the mortise slot is not long enough. I was making a 19mm tenon that was 119mm wide, using a 38mm follower (2x the size of my 19mm router bit), that required a 238mm by 38mm template. To figure out the length of the mortise slot in the middle... that's not explicitly stated anywhere, I went looking online and realized there's no instructions on how to calculate the length of the slot. But I figure you need to inverse the formula, instead of adding the router bit size you should subtract it. So length of 2* (mortise - router bit diameter) and add instead of subtracting the diameter of follower (6mm rod) = 206 mm long slot. That means I should get two 16mm pieces to close up each side of the slot in the template. I used 19mm which resulted in a slot just a bit too short for the tenon. So I feel I am on the right path here, I was only a few mm off and this seems to produce a mortise a few mm longer. I haven't yet tried this out and I have no math background. So I might be completely wrong, but a mathematical method to calculate the mortise size would be nice, hopefully I got this right, will test it out later.
@WaveWasters4 жыл бұрын
I need to build a panto router to make surfboard fins, just trying to figure out the best way to accurately foil them from 2d templates.
@vandelsoncarlos54463 жыл бұрын
Que bom que existe pessoas como você parabéns pelo ótimo trabalho e esclarecimento sobre este assunto é de pessoas como você que os seres humanos precisa para melhorar. 🤗👋
@quip594 жыл бұрын
Thank you again for a nice video. Greetings from France
@IEnjoyCreatingVideos4 жыл бұрын
Great video Matthias! Thanks for sharing with us!👍😎JP
@marcoschwanenberger31274 жыл бұрын
I think I need to rebuild my Pantorouter XL at some point. I am just not quite getting the results I am expecting. I believe there is just a tiny bit too much flex in the whole machine. I already reinforced the handle with an aluminum extrusion and that helped. The machine is build from high quality 18mm birch plywood and Mahagony hardwood pieces. - I'm not entirely sure why it has as much flex as it does. (Its really not a ton, but I havent gotten a eprfec "plop" fit yet, and that really frustrates me) But its was fun building it, and if I can improve myself - thats even better! :)
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
Yes, flex is more of a problem with the XL. On the regular model, the router body helps to protect against twist, but on the XL, where bracing would be best, I had to leave room for the router handles.
@nickjm37fordel14 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm back in time at my high school math class !
@patriciodelacuadrabanderas3084 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matthias, I love my pantorouter! It would be so nice if you can think of a procedure to make templates for arbitrary shaped tenon and mortise (respecting the limitations imposed by the bit size), we could use it to make decorative inserts....maybe too hard?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
I played around with that using my 3d pantograph some years back, made a video of it.
@patriciodelacuadrabanderas3084 жыл бұрын
Yeap, but I think you're only dealing with the mortise half of the problem, templating the tenon that fits it correctly is the tricky part, don't you think?
@allgona4 жыл бұрын
Curious, have you considered 3d printing the guides? Probably takes longer, but you could be productive while it's printing.
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
Even if I could be productive while it's printing, I'd have my wooden ones done before I'm even ready to start the 3d printer.
@nils19534 жыл бұрын
Thats a great idea! Setup the Cad model once and simply adjust the few variables accordingly. Should also be fast to print as it doesn't need any significant strength.
@apinakapinastorba4 жыл бұрын
They’re such simple pieces. I’d easily believe Matthias makes easily one or several before his computer boots up, the model is modified, STL is exported and sliced and the printer setup. Plus the hour? of wait.
@nils19534 жыл бұрын
@@apinakapinastorba unless his computer takes minutes to boot, changing the model and slicing should not take more than 3 minutes. And let's be fair, if you go that far into the details it also takes time to find the right piece of scrap wood. Changing the table saw back to 90° probably takes longer than changing the model. This is just a case of, there is the Wandel way and there is the wrong way.
@apinakapinastorba4 жыл бұрын
@@nils1953 You can do your own templates any way you want :)
@MuhammadDaudkhanTV1004 жыл бұрын
Fantastic idea and cool content bro
@sdoc34 жыл бұрын
Just picked up a used Pantorouter and it just after a few cuts I'm pretty sure my use of screws and bolts will drop dramatically over the next years.
@sdoc33 жыл бұрын
About 750 incl shipping (domestic), including a Mafell router unit and various templates
@edhondo44474 жыл бұрын
hi my name is noah , i hear it's going to start raining soon and i have this boat to build . can you up size that machine but keep it portable
@MCsCreations4 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting! Thanks a lot for the lesson, dude! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@danieldennett55234 жыл бұрын
Would adding the easy height/vertical setting be something that could be added to the plans?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
just a matter of adding a stop. but it also means the templates have to mount on one place only, which wooden ones don’t.
@slawrenceshepardson30393 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Where did you get that neat little reference sheet? I’m a newbie and that would be pretty handy to have, do you have/sell them somewhere?
@matthiaswandel3 жыл бұрын
comes with the templates
@slawrenceshepardson30393 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel Thank you. Mine didn’t come with that, I will have to check into that
@QuailDog943 жыл бұрын
Question, Have a older metal model. Where can you buy upgrades for this pantorouter?? Like protractor makes angles and compound angles..
@matthiaswandel3 жыл бұрын
pantorouter.com
@ronmcdavid70844 жыл бұрын
Did the chart come with the segmented guide set? I didn’t get one with mine.
@kamlesh88184 жыл бұрын
Great Design 👍👍👍
@forestlampcraft4724 жыл бұрын
COOL!
@bashmahs4 жыл бұрын
i wonder if instead of making templates there would be 2 axis step motors
@absolutmauser4 жыл бұрын
Could one buy the metal pantorouter templates and use them on a wooden one?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
You would also need the aluminium t slot template holder. But I think that is a relatively standard part, so could be procured from elsewhere.
@Glassed_in_Nature4 жыл бұрын
Are you still offering that big prints (I think that’s what it was called ) program?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
yes
@alonhamburger34724 жыл бұрын
Mattihas i was wandering what blade do you use on your bandsaw?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
bandsaw blades
@jamie73643 жыл бұрын
thanks. very informative.
@johndavidalexander66464 жыл бұрын
I honestly cannot believe anyone would by the metal one! Insane price!
@GeekSpeakDesign4 жыл бұрын
11sec after posting... I don’t think I’ve ever shown up this early to anything
@danielscheibe86944 жыл бұрын
😂
@Darren_Barclay4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't you use your wooden templates on your metal one?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
yes, I could.
@Darren_Barclay4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel just seemed logical. Done something simpler, rather than spending £50 on specific parts I'd just make them.
@hassanal-mosawi42354 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that
@jammi__4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it make sense to just use a 3D printer to make the templates for both the metal and wooden pantorouter?
@icychill1054 жыл бұрын
i suppose you could make custom templates for the metal pantorouter but you already have the wooden one which you use anyways
@austin.hanson4 жыл бұрын
Haha, I laughed at the end. I’m in the overlap. I’ll build from your plans but I own a saw stop for the obvious safety.
@ahbushnell14 жыл бұрын
3D print templates?
@_P0tat07_4 жыл бұрын
As a machinist I can just buy your plans and make my own out of metal 😁😁😁 although that would take a bit of effort with all the CAD/CAM work. I’d like to build one at some point (out of wood first) but I just dont need one right now. Not so I have the space or a spare router! Speaking of router, would you make a mini one that uses a trim router? Or maybe an ever smaller one that holds a dremel rotary tool?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
You can just mount a trim router in the regular one. I have a video on that.
@richbuilds_com4 жыл бұрын
Id like to have a crack at making a cnc version of a pantorouter. I doubt it would be practical, but that wouldn't be the point of the build for me :D
@bluewanderer99034 жыл бұрын
That would be extremely, erm, not intelligent. I am sure you would get a medal for dumbing down a cnc router. Not sure what kind of medal but a medal none the less.
@prototype3a4 жыл бұрын
CNC horizontal mill (router) I've thought about building one as it would be more useful to me than a vertical.
@bluewanderer99034 жыл бұрын
@@prototype3a how so?
@richbuilds_com4 жыл бұрын
@@bluewanderer9903 Like I said: Not practical - im just interested in the build challenge.
@richbuilds_com4 жыл бұрын
@@bluewanderer9903 It's an analog cnc . Some folks prefer vinyl over digital ;-)
@angst_4 жыл бұрын
You could 3d print templates!
@anowarabegum9796 Жыл бұрын
how can go your web site?
@NicoSmets4 жыл бұрын
Festool users might be inclined towards Shaper Origin these days. Although the pantorouter looks great also!
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
The shaper origin is for cutting signs and such. Not useful for joinery.
@NicoSmets4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel Shaper Origin is now being promoted with a designated workstation too. I would think this workstation makes an apt platform for joinery.
@صحتي-ط9و4 жыл бұрын
Very good
@dieterjosef4 жыл бұрын
I like that you are still not into 3d printing.
@cbalan7774 жыл бұрын
3D printing is interesting, but sometimes it's just easier to do it the old way.
@GreenAbsinth084 жыл бұрын
why not 3D print the templates?
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
why not make them out of wood? Way faster and cheaper than printing.
@amconsole4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel well.. not quite. If You have a 3D printer, You'd only need to do the math once and afterwards just enter required size of tenon for CAD to generate correct size template. Any size tenon would then be printed for a few cents worth of PLA and electricity while You do something else. The argument that it's faster or cheaper to cut it from wood is false unless You sit and stare at the printer while it's printing or print the templates form some expensive plastic instead of regular PLA. Most people don't. It's also a much simpler process with far less steps and less room for error. Did You time how long it took to make that template? here's what You did in order: 1) calculation; 2) pick an appropriate scrap of wood; 3) cut angled sides on tablesaw measuring that the dimension You need is in the middle (so need to calculate to adjust for distance to fence or "sneak up on it incremental cuts); 4) pick an appropriate size washer for radii (or draw a centerline and use a compass); 5) move to the bandsaw, set up the same blade angle, rough cut radii; 6) move to belt sander set up same angle, sand semicircles; 7) move back to table saw, (remember to reset the blade back square), cut slot moving from middle outward, flipping piece over for symmetric slot, measuring each pair of cuts until the correct width of slot reached; 8) pick a scrap bit to cut the slot end inserts; 9) cut to slot dimensions; 10) cut two bits for gluing in the slot ends; 11) wait for glue to dry; 12) back to belt sander, sand protruding ends back down to template radii; 13) mark centerline from the back, mark mounting hole positions; 14) to the drillpress, drill holes for mounting screws. Done! It adds up. While Matthias most probably did the above faster than a regular 3D printer would take, for most people - 3D printing the template would probably make more sense time management wise and produce a more dimensionally accurate result. You can also print 10 different size templates in one go on a printbed at night while You sleep (modern 3D printers are near silent) or work on something else. I do however love the pantorouter and Your videos about it.
@iMakeFunnier4 жыл бұрын
Love your work and always. You should invest in a cheap 3d printer. These templates could very easily be printed.
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
and even more easily cut from wood.
@iMakeFunnier4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel Respect. You should build a 3d printer with wood drive gears and tracks! That would be so cool. First print should also be the wood filament! Will you accept my challenge?
@albatros17524 жыл бұрын
I think those plans deserve more than 18+3 $ more likely 25+5$ !!!
@vasudevanpunattil3 жыл бұрын
Metal pantorouter how much the US dollar
@S.S.H.OCT.18-084 жыл бұрын
Looked these things up. He is not joking about cost. The PantoRouter kits range from $1100.00 to $2100.00 slightly rounded up. Ouch! That's on par with the domino joiners to. Win the lottery and I will 2 of each. Till then, glue and screws.
@riskyb2504 жыл бұрын
Make a metal screw advance box jig!
@NothingOfficial6684 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@lwoodt14 жыл бұрын
Weather you build it or buy it, you cant go wrong.
@Thalarctos.4 жыл бұрын
💖
@jivejunior87534 жыл бұрын
0:59 "I prefer metric" As an American, a great many Americans do, too. Imperial sucks
@jej34514 жыл бұрын
Your grammar sucks. You've equated "an American" with "a great many Americans".
@wanders2783 жыл бұрын
@@jej3451 that probably explains why they prefer metric too, lol
@willierants58804 жыл бұрын
Or just use an inexpensive FDM 3D Printer and make your own templates! That's what I'd do anyway. I already have the 3D printer and this is an ideal project for it. If I had a Pantorouter.
@KanatSaparbek4 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@pierrepaul20604 жыл бұрын
hello Matt i love all your wooden machine why? do you know why? cause you are able to make wrong things and correct them
@bluelive234 жыл бұрын
Those templates beg for custom 3d printed variants
@ianvicedomini26484 жыл бұрын
I'd go for building one because it's to the spec that you want rather than default lol
@sasjadevries4 жыл бұрын
I don't see the point of buying an expensive metal pantorouter. At that pricepoint you can just as well go CNC. If you are looking for something that is setup and ready to work, then a CNC-machine is what you're asking for. But if you enjoy working with your hands, if you're into that craftmenship, then you will probably also enjoy building a machine yourself.
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
If you are looking for something that is setup and ready to work, CNC is definitely NOT what you are looking for.
@sasjadevries4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel Well, that depends on the build-quality and the user interface. The pantorouter does only 2d contours, it's not hard to program those, you don't need any sort of sprutcam or fusion360. And it's not that hard to develop your own basic 2d CAM program for your tablet or pc. The problem is really that some manufacturers of machines think about adding as many features as possible, without considering the ease of use; but it doesn't HAVE to be that way.
@bluewanderer99034 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel that and cnc router that costs 1k is waste of money and time.
@JoacimStenberg4 жыл бұрын
A spreadsheet to calculate the template size would maybe help those who are not as good at math as you? 😉
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
if you can't add and double numbers, a spreadsheet may not be enough help either.
@JoacimStenberg4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel You have a point there.
@philohan954 жыл бұрын
You could get a 3d printer to make your own custom templates :)
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
too slow
@unperrier59984 жыл бұрын
_I prefer metric_ Sensible boy :)
@billybobjoe1984 жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking the candela is a good unit of measure. Lol.
@FearsomeWarrior4 жыл бұрын
I’m too cheap to buy the metal one and too afraid of my own inaccuracy building the wood one. Just a matter of time.
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
Kreg has a jig for you!
@FearsomeWarrior4 жыл бұрын
@@matthiaswandel I don't like building with screws. Prefer hand tool woodworking.
@W4TRI_Ronny4 жыл бұрын
I will 3D print Pattern designs in exchange for plans copies. Interested?
@carterscustomrods3 жыл бұрын
I've finally given up after hundreds of hours of practice. I've come to the painful realization that I need 2 arms to effectively use it. (And I only have the one.) Anyone need a custom pantorouter cabinet? 😥😢😭😰😰😰😭
@ufcguh4 жыл бұрын
OMG!
@McClimber2344 жыл бұрын
I need to throw down and get a pantorouter. It gas been too long.
@BoozyWoozy4 жыл бұрын
Everything is mixed. Metric, imperial systems.
@simon_far4 жыл бұрын
That's Canada for you
@solikinyafi35374 жыл бұрын
sip
@BeeRich334 жыл бұрын
Call it MotoMaster. MattiasMaster.
@stevenothanks73794 жыл бұрын
People really disliking this? lol Why?
@stefanhertweck4 жыл бұрын
Theres is really barely an overlap between buyers of this machine and builders of that machine" :)
@briannelson6054 жыл бұрын
Seems like you need a math degree to get one of these to work
@matthiaswandel4 жыл бұрын
No, you just need to remember your grade 7 math.
@BloodSprite-tan4 жыл бұрын
you need to know basic addition and subtraction along with unit conversion? i'm sure a 6th grader would be more suited rather than somebody that has a math degree.