2019 Harley-Davidson Road King (FLHR) Test Ride Comparison with a Road King Special

Get the details on how a Harley-Davidson Road King compares to a Road King Special. Matt Laidlaw and Nick Culver of Laidlaw's Harley-Davidson take out the 2019 Road Kings and break down all the features that separate these two bikes so you can make an educated purchasing decision.
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[@paulclark9891]

Just turned over 100,000 miles in 23 months on my 2017 Road King at 76 years of age. Love it! Great video. Agree with it 100%.

[@rclines001]

I'm curious if you had any modifications done to the bike, and what issues you have run into in the 100k miles.

[@guitarprepnplus1]

GOD BLESS. 👍

[@myklmusic]

Cool. I'm 69 just getting back to ride after 40 years with no bike, on a 2014 Road King. I'm going nuts with fewer than 500 miles so far. It only had 7,000 miles at purchase. I'm back and just getting started again. More miles to come.

[@simplemanmtb143]

Great job! I out ride everyone I know and I'm at 23,000 in 2.5 years! Ride on, rubber side down!

[@wacobob56dad]

Classic styling on the Road King. Why not offer the 114 on the standard ?.

[@DeBa1226]

Can’t imagine not having that 114, with air ride suspension, along with the lengthened bags. I was always a fan of Metzlers versus the Dunlop tires, believing it handled like a sport bike with Metzlers. Go ahead and void my warrant with V&H full true duals with race tuner, Yaffe ape hangers, backrest for her, HD Nostalgic grips, and we’re riding 500 a day on road trips. Road King Special is the only bike for me.

[@tjrunlimited]

Great comparison. I love my Road King Anniversary Edition. You’ll never convince me that it’s more expensive for Harley to produce the blackout bike. Are you kidding? Black paint more expensive than Chrome?

[@usmcvet0313]

One word: demand. Black is in, and demand is high. Price will reflect.

[@roadrash76]

Most of it is the bigger 114 motor over the 107. But yeah they definitely mark them up ridiculously

[@jonbassett8023]

The Special is worth EVERY PENNY!! I love my 2019 midnite blooo!!!

[@morningstarx5340]

@@jonbassett8023 that special looks so much cleaner and meaner

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

Plus chrome is ugly for some people, I am not a fan.

[@bloodymarvelous4790]

Proud owner of a 2018 107ci H-D RKS (IGD), and I love it to bits. Have had it for a little over a year, and just passed the 20,000 mile mark. I don't care what Matt says, the RKS is crazy comfortable, even on long rides. Rode it from Italy to Holland in 5 days, clocking in over 7 hours a day, and I was comfortable the entire way. Sure, a windscreen will help at higher freeway speeds, but it's by no means necessary if you stay below 80mph. I also love throwing this thing through tight hairpin corners.

[@heithwatkins]

Best review of these 2 bikes. Thanks brother and God bless you..........one thing. 18 and 19 wheels are what modern sports bikes use. They may turn in slower, but they are more stable. If you have the same suspension. Also the sidewall of the tire will not flex as with tall tires. I realize this is at very high speeds. But I just wanted to point it out. 18 and 19 inch wheels are really not radical.

[@me2u2aswell]

A lot of information and that’s a good thing. Retro flashback pictures allow me to realize how much has changed, a more custom look now a days. Liked the way your video was done. Thanks Matt!

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[@nashaugust6765]

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[@nashaugust6765]

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[@mikedanaher3413]

Great content once again Matt. I wish all dealerships had your level of expertise. I also wish HD would put a option for the 114 in the Road King Standard. Pretty paint, lots of chrome and big power would make the Road King the best bike in the lineup.

[@cinghialemannaro76]

Alongside the Fat Boy, the Road King is THE Harley Davidson. A classic that never gets old, a true beauty. Will they put the 114 in it someday?

[@Mcorre]

107 its just as good, Agree everyone getting street, roads, roadking S all blackout same story you go into a bike week no distintions any longer, but a Road King thats a man bike

[@sivvinod3187]

Don't forget the sportster

[@usmcvet0313]

I love my 2011 RK! Pop the shield off if I'm riding around town, leave it on for commuting and long rides. 🤙

[@usmcvet0313]

@@sivvinod3187 Agreed! Sportster is quintessential HD. The only completely air cooled model left.

[@sivvinod3187]

@@usmcvet0313 sadly they are killing off all. ALL sportsters in favour of the new 1250 custom.

[@jackmiranda4608]

I absolutely love the HD Road King Classic (I wish they were made in the US). The simplicity, the spoked wheels, the white wall tires, and the avalanche of aftermarket parts. Such a joy and beauty to behold. For my retirement, I purchased a brand new 2012 Road King Classic (blue/black) that I configured with my preferences. It had the touring trunk, the HD GPS, the BOOM audio twin speakers, adjustable backrest, etc. Unfortunately, in 2017, the divorce lawyers required a sacrifice and my dream motorcycle was lost on the chopping block. But I digress. I’m 56 years young and have been riding since I was 13. I’ve lost count of the number of motorcycles I’ve had the pleasure to ride and own. Having said that, my 2012 Road King Classic was the best riding experience I’ve had on a motorcycle. I’m retired now and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to own one again, but at the very least I have my fond experiences. No one can ever take those away. If you own one, enjoy the good times and make lots of memories. Needless to say, I highly recommend one.

[@keithtomczyk4730]

When did they halt production? Nobody has info on the whole fricken internet. I am looking for the latest. Harley won't put out any info. Bulll

[@jackmiranda4608]

Keith Tomczyk I got my Classic in 2012. I honestly don’t remember when they stoped selling them in the US. I think it was the same year Indian put out their first leather bagger.

[@cmercer58]

Nice comparison. Having ridden both I can agree with your comments. The RK special is great for quick rides around. I found it a fun bike. But I'm a high mileage person and already owning an RK I would go with the Road King. Boy, you can put miles on them.

[@pyrolysis2129]

There's not a better looking motorcycle than the Road King Special in my opinion. The way yall sell the standard in this video makes a good argument for it. Can't go wrong. Hope both are still available in a few years when I'm ready to buy.

[@albertsanchez8007]

Matt & Nick, you guys consistently produce the best videos. Intelligent, informative, meaningful. Great analyses, comparisons and recommendations. Comprehensively useful information. Thank you for your professionalism.

[@Aaronjw24]

Great video Matt. Thank you. I just bought a 2019 Road King Special in midnight blue. I couldn’t be happier. Keep up the great work!!

[@revdrterrencemcgillicuddy4064]

I'm a hospice Chaplain and riding is my primary stress-buster. Hands down the best review and reviewer I've heard concerning the Road King. Great, great job. I've been going back and forth discerning whether to get the standard or special. Finally someone intelligent with good verbal skills has done one. Though I'd like a 114 cu on a standard, it's practicality and rideability seems a better bike for me. Thank you and again GREAT job!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thank you my friend. Glad I could help out.

[@daleclark5106]

Great video comparison. Thanks Bought my Road Kind Stndard and I love it. Road kings are classic HD

[@donaldsoncole3095]

Sharp presentation with emphasis on form following function!!! Two party review is unique and I like the slightly different perspective!!!😎

[@davidbradfield7535]

I am really interested to know what I would be spending, the ROAD KINGS STANDARD REALLY LOOKS GREAT

[@Deaddriftbum]

My only 2 issues I have with my Road King Standard 1) stock bars are garbage. Both height and angle 2) stock seat gets wider on the sides for some reason exactly where you do not want it to get wider Matt going back to the good old days when he used to roll a Road King. Just without 18 inch apes lol

[@TheBlindbowman]

I ride all weather and any where I want to go .. you did straight up review ...I like the standard .power is great but over all ride is what its about . and at 58 years of age I have ate to many insects to not have windshield on my bike ...from building a 41 chopper from the bare frame up . to a new 2020 ride . I still like the standard RK ..great review guys ...

[@tccalvo]

As always, great content with some hidden easter eggs somewhere along to make it interesting. It helps me to increase my knowledge of some obscure HD model history details. Matt, you're always spot on with your spoken content and I love some of the geeky content details, but don't forget to consider using Nick on a bad hair day! He did a fantastic job clearly explaining all the details and differences! Kudos! You guys rock knowledge wise, bar none ! The first choice in my book to take my scoot and do technical work on It !

[@ml414skidoo]

The classic seat looks plush but there is a plastic panel that squares to your tail bone and the foam there is thin unfortunately. Loving my 2019 RK standard with 107. Stage 1 wakes up the 107 pretty good and it's far better than my 2012 103. Great vid and really appreciate the review to learn more about the bikes.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thanks for watching.

[@dennism103]

It's very easy to do a 3 hole service, one you've done it a few times. The cruise control works flawless...

[@danthechippie4439]

Great video guys, such a shame that the road king standard has been discontinued for 2023

[@WhiteWhite60]

Regarding this review by the cute kid (I can't remember names) - excellent job. I stopped at 19:00 to post this comment because I don't want it to go by in passing. I'm now really excited over these bikes. Great format, great job. Thanks!

[@ronmarvicsin7709]

I was really attracted to the special but I didn’t know about the better ride etc on the standard. I love chrome so I’ll go with the standard. I however already have my honey “blue” my 18 Deluxe.

[@steveb2618]

Man, I’m way late to the party here (July 2020 now), but you guys did a great comparison. This is a choice I may be making one day. I freakin love the special, but I’m getting older and this spring and summer I put 4500 miles on my little Honda. The sheer functionality of the standard just makes sense. You guys did a great job of not being so hot on the “flashy” bike but saying what was good about both. It’s a choice with implications for each, period. My son lives in San Fran, maybe I’ll get to meet you one day........or maybe come out and buy a bike and ride it back to Nashville where I live (though we have great dealers here). Thanks!

[@willyb933]

I'm on my second RK now (2014/2017) I just love the classic look of the RK and it just seems encompass all that is HD. The ride comfort and yet the handling and agility for a bike of that weight and configuration is great. Great review as always Matt and Nick. Thanks for your time!

[@miket.9172]

Great video. Nick especially crushed it for grounding his opinion by relating it to specific features.

[@gee-force]

Simply the best motorcycle comparisons and reviews online.

[@cjsmith]

The Cadillac of the lineup 👌😎

[@JoelHaney]

Great comparison and great info for someone like me who is trying to decide between the two. I thought I had made up my mind on the Special, but now you have me second guessing as you presented things I hadn't thought of. Thanks for taking the time to educate in a way most dealers won't, even if you don't make my sale since I'm not local to you. Next step for me is to ride them both and decide. Thanks and ride on!

[@michaelgurgone2825]

Thanks Matt and Nick for the in depth review of these two great bikes. I like the absence of all the infotainment and fairings on these two machines. I Love the silver color but makes the bike invisible, that’s how James Dean got it in his sports car. On a lighter note.. I still would go for the Standard and add upgraded front and rear lighting. One thing about the New Harley Davidsons.. I can never make up my mind once I step into a dealership. But I do know my Dyna is getting to small and cramped for me. After watching your video I think I need to go bigger! That touring chassis looked really comfortable!

[@mojomanmurph1925]

The touring chassis is the best for comfort. You can't go wrong with any model on that chassis if comfort is what you are looking for.

[@ceratobatrachus]

excellent information from Matt and Nick on the ins and outs of both Road Kings! A lot of information not easily attainable from content provided by HD and also missing from other posts by riders, along with their personal and professional views on mechanics associated with modifications of the bikes. Also great to see them driving through Baldwin Park where i grew up!

[@mikeessary4925]

Nick and Matt, nice job on this comparison video. Keep up the good work. 2020 bikes coming soon!!

[@dennism103]

It feels heavy until u get it rolling takes some getting use to...

[@thejerseyj1636]

Oh man ! Barracuda Silver on a Road King Classic is so good looking. Silver Classic with a Stage 3, "Dream Bike"!!!

[@adriang2332]

If i may ask but why does the road king have a analog gas gauge and ignition "knob" but no the softails for example?

[@MattLaidlaw]

Good question. I don’t know. Maybe because the softails are newly redesigned and they feel like the ignition knob is unnecessary. The Road king ignition and general design has been like that forever. Maybe they didn’t want to mess with it. I’m not sure.

[@diginterpretations]

This is excellent, thank you. Great info and great shots that show what people actually look like riding the bike. Especially helpful to see Nick standing up the Road King Standard @14:00 (I'm the same height as him, so that was really helpful).

[@northrider8628]

Refreshing to here you say the sales people mean something to your dealership... they deserve to be treated well. Imho

[@stephenmustard8388]

Just bought a 2019 Road King standard last weekend and it's bloody awesome.

[@tpv59]

....................... so you like it?

[@chetlovesamerica6783]

Im enjoying my 2019 "barracuda silver",,roadking standard, . ,needs nothing!☆,,I'm 6' 2",,broke my back & neck and both arms a few years ago,,,due to falling 20 ft.,, and eye can ride this bike ALL DAY!☆--♡♡

[@hughmanatee7657]

Love that silver RK. Have they discontinued that color?

[@hectorguzman8435]

I just got mine yesterday exact same bike being advertised here and the same color... I’m in love with it

[@richardanderson4916]

Jealous!!!

[@dawidos117]

Road King Special is just beautiful 😍

[@hawahanahamid]

This video puts an end to my selection between RK and RKS. Great video. Thanks!

[@simonclark8176]

As always a great watch ..thanks Matt ....and Nick !

[@robertcurtis9449]

I got that same King in baracudda silver and after some mods, I absolutely love it! Thanks for the vid Matt, appreciate your insights and knowledge of the bike!

[@MattLaidlaw]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching ! Thanks for the comment

[@mikedanaher3413]

This is the best video yet. What a great comparison. Really enjoyed the video Matt. Can’t wait for you to compare the 2020 Road King’s. I see there was a couple changes to the standard. No 114 option yet and that is really disappointing but definitely worth a comparison video for the 2020 models too.

[@saddle8bag]

The handlebars on the RKS are my favorite in the touring lineup. Of course they don't make them in chrome for use on their real touring bikes...

[@Love4boost]

I was debating so hard between the road king special and street glide special. I went with the sgs but I still love the look of the king. I do want to ride a road king though to figure out what the comfort difference is. I came from a Dyna. So the sgs is a huge comfort difference for me. Before being out for 2-3 hours I was coming home feeling like I got jumped. Now I can go out for 5+ hours with barely stopping and be perfectly fine. The seat could be a little better but still night and day compared to my Dyna.

[@mojomanmurph1925]

Basically, the RKS is setup like the SGS but you don't have that extra weight on the forks. Try one of the Sundowner seats if you are looking for extra comfort. Most dealerships should have a variety of seats to demo.

[@dcdell2008]

I totally agree with Nick’s evaluation and comments RK vs RKS as I used to ride a 2018 RKS and got rid of it only after two years of ownership-reason, I could not stand the harsh riding experience and quality…I did add the Wind Splitter for highway cruising but still not as good wind management . I replaced the RKS with a 2019 BMW R1250 GSA and ride comfort was night and day difference with BMW’s long suspension travel…However, I sometimes miss the riding experience of the Harley and perhaps if I make a return, I will definitely pick the Road King Standard…thanks for sharing the review and I have liked and subscribed.

[@josephandreuccetti8043]

I like the classic paint jobs or the style throw back paint jobs. After riding a few new bikes honestly the 114 needs to become the standard motor. While the 107 is nice. These bikes need to have the cubes and the power to make them contend with the metrics.

[@josephandreuccetti8043]

They might need to do both. A modern version and a classic version.

[@BrianODonohue]

Love that standard Silver Road King!

[@PeterDad60]

I'm Happy with my 2015 FLHP Road King Police, purchased new Aug 7, 2015. It is actually more comfortable than my top of the line 2000 Ford Crown Victoria LX Luxury car! Also purchased new in November 2000 I have the duel exhaust Police Interceptor version. It's the longest lasting car that I have ever owned. My FLHP handles as good as my 1976 T140V Triumph Bonneville 750 which I street raced for decades and never lost. The FLHP is so much heavier that I realize she's not a race bike, but she handles superb but at 825 Lbs. I do not race her on back roads.

[@camouflage962]

Thx Matt for your video.... no matter how bad your roads might be... ours are great, by the way.... - I would always opt for the FLHRXS .... tain‘t anything cooler out there as stock by the MC.... good Job - appreciated a whole lot! Keep going !

[@snickrologen]

Once again a great review of the bikes in the video, with thoughtful comments and aspects of the bikes. Sport Glide 😎-2019

[@sf940477]

Wished I lived closer to visit your shop good points made 😁

[@dennism103]

It gets pretty good mileage average 38-40 mpg the 6 gallon tank is nice too...

[@charlesf.4983]

I must admit I have not watched many of your videos, but that is going to change because of your intro.. you want to EARN out business... I do not live any where near your store, but you have earned my subscription. Recently purchased a 2019 Sport Glide, the Orange and Black kept my attention no matter where I was in the show room. So Frontier Harley Davidson in Lincoln Nebraska allowed me to talk myself into buying it.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thanks man. I appreciate the sub. 👍🏻

[@ericharrington2673]

I wish I had bought my bike from you sounds like a much better dealership, you are living the life

[@1Kenpoman]

I have always loved your comparison videos, keep up the good work!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thank you.

[@kennethreynolds8]

Great review guys, I’m a Standard model fan, windshield, suspension and seat checks the right boxes for me personally as I’m a freeway flyer mostly. I would like to see the standard optioned with the 114, I think that would be a good seller but probably cannibalise sales of the Special. 🤷‍♂️

[@MattLaidlaw]

Probably coming in the future.

[@domenelu1]

Really appreciate your insight when comparing models. I opted for the 2017 Road King standard because I ride it every day to work and most weekends. I think I'm ready for a Road Glide. I'll have to research what the difference is if any on HD's sold in California regarding emissions. I live on earth's second sun Arizona. Thanks again.

[@ronmarvicsin7709]

I’m a Deluxe lover but if I were to go to a cruiser the Road King classic would be my choice. Thanks Matt for the info.

[@bane1240]

Great comparison video. A lot of good info here. Keep up the good work Matt and Team!

[@xaviermcquiston1604]

That special looks amazing! I love the color!

[@drummerdm1016]

Awesome review, always have loved the road king, I have a 2016 and love it.

[@CraigSmith568]

I really like the Road King. Beautiful bike and great ride. Oddly enough the one thing I don't like is the heel shifter, but it costs nothing to take it off. I like to be able to move my feet around on the floorboards and the heel shifter locks your feet in one position.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea that’s just a preference. I personally like the heel shifter.

[@daveswanson6066]

After having 2 Road Kings that I loved, 2001, and 2011 I traded for a 2014 Limited. The Limited is a wonderful bike, but I still miss having a Road King after 6 years. I shudder to think how much it would cost me to sell the Limited and get a 2019 RK!

[@william995]

Sweet video Matt as always good job! 👍🏼

[@arthurpapazian6003]

Great comparison, and accurate info about changing wheel size, side wall consideration, and suspension travel!

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thank you!

[@curtishoke143]

@@MattLaidlaw check out my road king special making 181hp on you tube.moonshine did it for me it has a143 in it I love all the videos you put out too

[@ddjr702]

Great video Matt. I will be buying a bike in the next 6 months. Even though I’m in Las Vegas I will make my way to your location. Thanks again for all the content

[@dennism103]

I put rineharts on mine, luv them. S&S would be my 2nd choice.

[@Neocleese]

Long live the two Kings. Great vlog and great bikes thanks again Matt.

[@Firestorm637]

Both bikes awesome but for 2019, LED’s should be everywhere especially the headlights.

[@michaellomazzo7776]

Just picked up the two tone 2019 road King standard really nice and your review makes me feel I made a great choice more get up and go than my 16 street glide that I traded in and I think more comfortable thanks for the great review

[@MattLaidlaw]

Thanks for watching. Congrats on the bike.

[@chrismelville8211]

This was WAY helpful to me in making my decision, thanks guys! If I was in CA I'd come buy from you.

[@brianmaclennan561]

Lovin my '18 RKS. 107 with a stage 2 tq cam an full rinehart exhaust. Goes an sounds awesome.

[@thomasangelo4219]

Owned Road King..great mc. Has that classic H.D. look to it. Which Road King to choose is just a matter of choice. Thanks for video Matt and Nick. Take care

[@hughmanatee7657]

Silver is a great color for the Road King and Road Glide!

[@thejerseyj5479]

HD Road King in barracuda silver. This is the most beautiful motorcycle ever. Nothing compares to Harley Davidson's paint and chrome. With care this bike will look this good 50 years from now. You and I probably won't. 😉

[@MrDealeronrocks]

seating position on this bike is ideal in my opinion

[@richardpate1897]

VERY HELPFUL! Great comparison on the two bikes. Thank you

[@dennism103]

My only complaint is the rear shock is tough to find the sweet spot, I'm going to put legend shocks on the back at least. They cost about $1,000. Installed /Out the door

[@universalcitizen7544]

the Road King Classic is also available in Europe and the Middle East

[@jwalter75]

Matt, what gloves are you wearing? I'm looking for a light color glove since I live in Texas.

[@JOBOWEEZKING]

This was sick! Make one of the road glide standard and special 👌🤘🏽

[@Skierxman]

Good review. Road King is most versatile bike in the lineup. Mr Laidlaw, you need to wear boots when riding. With tennis shoes, if you crash you will break your ankles, or worse. You have all the safety gear but ignored the boots.

[@MattLaidlaw]

Yea, when I go on a long ride I wear boots. Boots are just not as good when I’m on my feet all day.

[@stevenminor2936]

Awesome video, very informative and history aspect cool. Things I haven’t known about my favorite style of Harley Davidson. Flhr

[@ridewithme7636]

The Road king Classic is also available in Europe

[@brucesmith7858]

Your thoughts.....The Road King standard vs Electra Glide standard on riding comfort. Thanks

[@johnpotter4210]

Or just go for the best of both worlds RKS with a legend 13 inch shock.

[@saddle8bag]

And a windshield.

[@aintnodisco7127]

I was thinking the opposite direction -> RK Standard with a Stage II Torque cam, tune, A/C, and slipons would equalize things nicely.

[@johnpotter4210]

AintNo Disco I did RKS legend revo a 13 inch shocks, Bmc Corbin seat, Reinheart slip ons, and stage 2. With a mini fairing.

[@petertrapani8701]

Thanks Matt great vlog between both Road Kings. Very Cool Be Cool and Ride Safe.🇺🇸🏍

[@Niranjanbahadurpande]

handsdown,inarguably the greatest harley davidson ever made.

[@billcarson1966]

Excellent, excellent, excellent video! I'd love to see you do some videos and give advice on buying used, high mileage bikes over ten years old. Example - A local dealer near me is selling a 2005 FLHRCI Road King Classic with 50K on it. Cosmetically it looks fantastic, was always well serviced. But it's 15 years old. I'd love to know what an expert thinks of that scenario or similar. Which concerns you more - the age or the mileage? Great videos and advice...keep up the great work!

[@RJMotorman]

Greetings Matt! Are you aware of an upcoming MY20 Harley dealer meeting this summer, and if so, will you be live-streaming it?

[@Afonso2001br]

Excellent and detailed comparison. One question: no key for the fuel tank cap?

That windshield hasn't changed since the 50's. I took mine off day one and never put it back on!

[@MattLaidlaw]

The style hasn’t changed much. Kinda like a car. They are clear and you can see through them.

[@BillPerkins_aka_perks]

Great Videos Matt. Shame your west coast. I'm east coast. I have great dealer ship and salesman. Keep up great videos. I bought 2020 RKS. I had them install 19' 1 1/2 La ape bars. I Change the seat. I did have the wheels change to hawks. I got Brilliant Burgundy. All colors nice. I'm going have quick on/off windshield going install. I'm changing those chrome fuel cap, fuel gage. To black flush make sense for that bike. Lol. Lot other mods im doing during winter time to.

[@bradwilliams4921]

I like the 114 but if I were in the market I would go with the Standard.

[@MrMurphc13]

How wider are the specials handle bars vs the standard?They definately look wider.

[@Axl_colts]

Hey Matt I love how you guys advertise You don't have any of those bullshit freight and set up fees that a lot of dealers claim they can't remove. My local Harley dealers do the same but the ones outside my area claim they cannot remove fees "Just like every other dealer" they say. I won't even do business with a dealership that says that.