🔴 Max Keiser vs. Peter Schiff - Bitcoin vs. Gold Debate

Peter Schiff and Max Keiser debate Gold vs. Bitcoin at the Nexus Conference in Aspen, Colorado September 22nd 2017.
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[@internetfreeforever2046]

Andreas Antonopoulos vs Peter Schiff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@antoz8229]

You mean Andreas BTC Blockstream vs Adam Schiff

[@BradTrimas]

I have never seen Andreas A. debate and there is good reason. You can't compete with him. He fully understands the financial markets and is also a programmer whom understands and relays better than anyone the fundamentals of Bitcoin. That said I also have made the same comment as you.

[@peterschiff]

Max was like a gospel preacher. Can I get a hallelujah Bitcoin!

[@robgibbs216]

Peter Schiff Great presentation. I was disappointed with Max. He should have done his homework on your arguments against bitcoin. I think cryptos are great for speculation if you hit it and quit it. In the long run though, gold will always shine! Love your podcasts, Peter! It's how I expose my girlfriend to economics. For being a really rich dude, you really are in tune with us average, working stiffs. Without a doubt!

[@islandbee]

Max was like a comedian who was hosting the Peter Schiff Roast Night. And then he was nice enough to use his last minute to relay a supporting argument for gold. My favorite is when you were trying to lie about getting into Gold Money when it was at its lows. Really? Last time I check EuroPac sold off Schiff Gold last year for 1 million common shares @ $5CDN with ton other under water warrants. Goldmoney has been trading well below 50% of that all of last year, and is now finally inching its way back to $5CDN. I told you can't fudge facts on the internet!

[@plexasm3623]

Peter, how can my friend Eulando send his family money in Venezuela with gold? Help Eulando.

[@grass.dihenia2590]

I can't believe you're debating this clown. Two very different calibers of intelligence here. You deserve a better debate than this, Peter.

[@Jmriccitelli]

@peter Schiff...You forgot the most important reason why Bitcoin will fail. Article One Section 8, The part that says "Regulate the value there of". This simply means the US government(US Congress) determines what a dollar is and what it's worth, just like the government determines how long a foot is. Taxes have to be paid in order to pay down debt, support the military & the general welfare of the United States. These constitutional guarantees will always be paid with dollars or whatever the US Congress agrees on. And, not to mention, do the Bitcoin people actually believe the average person will take a chance to invest in such a shady system to begin with? I mean, right off the bat, no one even knows who invented it, that's shady and ridiculously creepy, and the fact that it uses blockchain is suppose to make me feel better that no one can trace it yet? I mean what a risk, talk about super shady! Say the government does figure out a way, then what? I should take a risk so that a bunch of greedy nerds can get rich? No thanks, I got bills to pay. The Bitcoin people have gotten so carried away with themselves its ridiculous.

[@thefinn12345]

Max Keiser is annoying.

[@MIke-sr6yg]

- TheFinn - cocaine's a hell of a drug. ..

[@Illidanek]

Stay mad bitch, Max is entertainment.

[@vsd1988]

Truth hurts right.

[@Marco-cl9pb]

I don't like how he screams, he was clearly right tho

[@CoalClear]

I'll take annoying over stupid

[@marcusnz1980]

"I don't have to wear a suit, I'm not selling anything!" -Haha

[@lrn_news9171]

Marcus Jenssen Hahaha loved that answer

[@RSnandoRS096]

Timestamp?

[@TheGreatIndoors1979]

24:29 *Continues to try to sell the wonderful Bitcoin-story in the loudest most melodramatic way possible to 'anybody with a brain!'.*

[@TheGreatIndoors1979]

32:26 _"I'M NOT SELLING ANYTHING!!!1!!one!"_

[@noahmarietta7346]

@@TheGreatIndoors1979 this comment aged well.

[@gurbirsinghkhalsa3909]

*You deserve a better debate than this, Peter. not this clown*

[@SujitSMenon]

Yes. Somebody please get @aantonop Andreas Antonopoulos to public debate with Peter Schiff. I am happy to contribute money to see that.

[@benhanson6140]

Andreas has stated he isn't interested in a debate. People tried to sign him up for one against Roger Ver earlier this year

[@jasonnardis7357]

Lol oh yeah you mean Peter is the clown

[@nikonfe8598]

Where's Botcoin now??? Who's the clown???

[@deni2462]

not this clown who’s up 1000% a year

[@arthurlp6381]

Max spent too much time attacking Peter directly instead of addressing his arguments. I expected a good, reasonable debate and instead I had to lower the volume of my device because Max yelled too loud. Peter reacted very well and kept explaining arguments.

[@BTCNSDAP]

23:47 3 years later and we're up another 1000%

[@rubenve79]

Let me check what gold did in the mean time...

[@pubgbannedmysmurfs7833]

Bitcoin plummeted 50%

[@jamesgaribay8724]

Lmao

[@AX5Terminator]

@@pubgbannedmysmurfs7833 bitcoin rallied over 100%

[@jmfs2k273]

this aged well

[@GiveMeEyeballs]

Max has absolutely lost it here, he has to scream to win this argument

[@thrashertm]

He screams to make his argument. He doesn't win by screaming.

[@johnmichaelkarma]

Max always "looses it" his superflous riffing is his trademark and part of his "entertainment" value. This tiger will never change its stripes. Max ten years ago is Max today

[@mrfahrenheit2006]

He screamed and still got the shit kicked out of him in this “argument”

[@JackNersesian]

That is not the argument though. It is whether bitcoin can be considered a safe haven asset.

[@MIke-sr6yg]

Jack N. Ya max knows he can't win the debate he has to resort to screaming, jokes, and insults.

[@adamgrey268]

Max's emotionalism gives me thoughts of every progressive liberal agenda out there. Makes it hard to believe anything he says when he simply screams communism, central banks, yadda, yadda, as if Peter is for either of those two things....

[@JohnDunne001]

What does "progressive liberal agenda" even mean these days. There's so many of them!

[@fatman6660]

Lol and how max and stacy keep personally attacking peter when all peter is trying to do is lay the actual facts on the table to have a real discussion, if any thing just on that basic bullshit point max and stacy keep trying to present in this is that peter is biased when it comes to gold yet peter is actually trying to present valid points for this discussion becuase this actually matters to some people while max and stacy are trying everything in the fuckin book to try and discredit gold and peter.... Yet all they end up doing for thier side is making them look desperate and non factual... Peter was a saint and held fast. hence why i stopped watching max and stacy a year or two into thier beginning show and why i am STILL watching peter schiff to this day even when i dont agree with him atleast hes being himself not a shill.

[@islandbee]

What the fuck are you talking about fatman? Stacy actually said in the debate that she has some gold with Gold Money, and Max used his last minute to bring up a point in support of gold that Peter failed to bring up. All the Schiff groupies out here are clueless and follow this scheister blindly.

[@fatman6660]

Lol groupies eh? Sounds like i hit a nerve .... So almost an hour and all you have are two not even good points.....after how much screaming and foaming at the mouth by max while not awnsering any other points presented ? Riiiight bud

[@islandbee]

Yeah groupies, and you hit the "clueless nerve". Yup, I brought up two good points versus the zero points that you've pointed out. The times that Max was yelling was when Peter was trying to talk over him, which he failed miserably and was at times left speechless because he have jack shit to counter it. That's right, clueless groupies like you don't see that.

[@pannlann148]

Max got 2 BTC for this debate. One of the best decision ever 🤣🤣🤣

[@zacparkerharris]

Peter Schiff seeing this is painful. Talking people out of Bitcoin at 3k 🤔

[@republicshallriseagain419]

Peter is mostly right but his timing is off by a lot sometimes

[@kelvinhbo]

@@republicshallriseagain419 Constantly saying that bitcoin will go to zero is not mostly right, is down right delusional. And anybody listening to this buffoon throughout the years have missed out on life changing wealth.

[@BTCNSDAP]

this debate happened EXACTLY when i went all in on bitcoin

[@Dasrecord]

hello from 60k

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

How many Bitcoins do you own now? Hello from 38k

[@DaDankStrafe]

@@BTCNSDAP How is your crypto portfolio looking now?

[@BTCNSDAP]

@@DaDankStrafe down over 50% in the past 6 months, up about 190% overall still

[@BTCNSDAP]

@CaptainEZ I lost it all already in 2018, and again in 2020. It's all or nothing for me. If Bitcoin goes to zero, I don't think this world is even worth living in. Because there's nothing else that'll save it

[@Dowell318]

Revisiting this debate after several years, the meantime in which I've gone from staunch goldbug to solid Bitcoin maxi....and I have to say, I'm really surprised at the weaknesses of Peter's arguments, and shocked that those arguments got over on me back then. Wow, just couldn't see through them....crazy.

[@Oetti]

Peter always a gentleman. Haven't seen Peter in debates in a while, they're always massively entertaining and illuminating!

[@micro_2887]

Max is a clown.

[@JP-hu4yx]

How’s everybody feel about Max’s vision 3 years later? Pretty damn accurate!!!!

[@Perry0823]

It looking more and more like he was right. Gold still 1900 and btc is 18,000.

[@deni2462]

@@Perry0823 30k *

[@Perry0823]

@@deni2462 hahaha I know right! Amazing. We should come back to this comment again when its 100k

[@deni2462]

@@Perry0823 deal 🤝 maybe gold reaches 1900 then 🤣🤣🤣 shiny shiny rocks

[@Perry0823]

@@deni2462 lmao! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Anon2k12]

Lol max respect for Peter keeping this up on KZbin for the rest of history.

[@aghilesk]

Indeed.

[@tomr6955]

Max respect eh

[@maxflight777]

Agreed ... well said

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

It’s going to look pretty good in a few months or years

[@SonicArchives]

Gold price to shed $170 as Fed hikes rates next 12 14 2021

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

NO ONE KNOWS where Bit Coin will be tomorrow, next week, next month or next year. GOLD has been currency and commodity since HOW LONG?

[@chronicsnail6675]

Bitcoin is decdntralized and easy to store

[@harriedebullebak858]

Horse and buggy have been nr 1 in transport for how long? I rather use a car now

[@cdeba9867]

Max was kinda funny

[@kevinclaypool6345]

Andreas Antonopoulos vs. Peter Schiff please

[@Dasrecord]

would love that. likely wouldn't happen though.

[@FiatBurner]

"The reason we can't be on the same page is because you're in a fiction book and I'm in a non-fiction book. You're actually in a comic book." -Peter Schiff

[@islandbee]

"I own the comic book" - Max Keiser Max was clowning Peter on this stage. And Peter Schiff was in all 3 books. Fiction: when he was trying to lie about buying into GoldMoney stock when it was lower Non-Fiction: Losing money and losing clients Comic: Max Keiser roasting him on stage.

[@Gr8erThan8]

@islandbee why are you posting so much? you are obviously a convert and cant see both sides of the argument. look at the video, no one showed up to the debate, they knew max was a waste of time. i was actually really interested in finally seeing a bit-believer answer peter's questions....but he couldnt....max had no answer so he started yelling...total cringe fest. max didnt roast anyone...he embarrassed himself, even the lady on the stage was cringing.

[@islandbee]

No one showed up to the debate? More like nobody showed up to listen to Peter's speech earlier. And are your deaf? People were laughing their asses off when Max was roasting Peter. FYI I also own gold and silver. You and all the other Peter Schiff groupies can't handle the fact that if you listened to him in this last decade, you have lost money. Why are you so salty so much?

[@Ponury_Charon]

We will see in couple of next years or decades, who earn and who lost - nothing lasts forever. If you go out at right moment - you will be winner. Otherwise - good luck. BTC (data from 2011): - max profit +9853% - average profit from last low +1422% (median +216% / 15% of average) - min profit +69% - max loss -93% - average loss from last high -50% (median -35% / 71% of average) - min loss -27% - average upward trend time - 186 days (median 80 days) - average downward trend time - 79 days (median 21 days) - average profit per day in upward trend +5,14% (median +3,05%) - average loss per day in downward trend -3,04% (median -1,28%) - ratio between average profit and loss - 28,72 - ratio between median profit and loss - 6,12 - ratio between average profit and loss per day - 1,69 - ratio between median profit and loss per day - 2,37 - statistical prediction of next low from last high - 8898 USD GOLD (data from 1970): - max profit +340% - average profit from last low +185% (median +159% / 86% of average) - min profit +46% - max loss -70% - average loss from last high -39% (median -34% / 88% of average) - min loss -20% - average upward trend time - 954 days (median 609 days) /monthly rounded/ - average downward trend time - 1396 days (median 214 days) /monthly rounded/ - average profit per day in upward trend +0,36% (median +0,24%) - average loss per day in downward trend -0,21% (median -0,16%) - ratio between average profit and loss - 4,79 - ratio between median profit and loss - 4,70 - ratio between average profit and loss per day - 1,78 - ratio between median profit and loss per day - 1,49 - statistical prediction of next high from last low - 1939 USD Do you think that something with such volatility like BTC (+5/-3% per day) can be a "store of value"? I think NOT. However we can't say much about BTC becouse it has too short history and don't surviving any crash yet - talking about this asset only from 2011 (it starts from 2009) is like saying US stocks are "safe haven".

[@johnbaird1694]

Javier Valenzuela 6 months later and you are seen like even more of an idiot. Bitcoin best performing asset this year. I love how when Bitcoin goes up you call it a bubble, then when it goes down you call it dead, but then even more stupidly when it recovers and goes back up it’s a bubble 🤦‍♂️ no other bubbles recover again and again. Tulip and south sea.

[@paulrprichard]

We love Peter Schiff, we love Max Keiser, we love Stacy Herbert.

[@eruston]

speak for yourself. Schiff is a fool.

[@techwithsam8715]

@@eruston Wrong. Schiff is good. So is Keiser. We will see it unravel. If Schiff is a fool, so is over half of the world. If you think everyone else is a fool, maybe you're the fool. I support crypto but Schiff isn't a fool.

[@iradiduarte27]

No, we can’t love everybody. Lol stop it

[@jonkisby4871]

3 years on, rampant money printing, Gold price is static for the last 5 months, Stocks are ridiculously over priced and I am looking at a $32k bitcoin price. Great prediction Peter! hahaa

[@IMALLITSTOOEASYIBALLITSTOOEASY]

*2 weeks later* 48,000.

[@jonkisby4871]

@@IMALLITSTOOEASYIBALLITSTOOEASY $50k by mid next week??

[@brizzle897]

Looks like Max is a million times better predictor than Peter!!

[@jram8040]

$51,300 and counting

[@jonkisby4871]

@@jram8040 3 weeks ago $32k. Wow. Where next???

[@adamgrey268]

If Peter Schiff winds up on the wrong side of history when it is all said and done, at least he will seem like he made a reasonable mistake. If that happens to this Max guy, he'll look like a total lunatic. Well, he sorta already does...

[@renzokukenleneyoyo522]

You said it, you can see peter's workings and the rationale he comes from and presents himself as a versed and educated person that is coming from a levelheaded decision... which is more than I can say from the digital jesus zealots like jsnip, cliff high, bix weird and max... I feel their demeanor and argumentation comes from such a dishonest place that they single handedly sent my at even a higher rate into silver and gold.

[@johnjones4502]

lol

[@aarontimberlake9195]

Peter IS wrong. Max is just being his character and having fun.

[@renzokukenleneyoyo522]

Quite amusing you consider that a fun loving character, I guess you love having discussions with 4 year olds

[@islandbee]

robert20351 - So many people here commenting on what Max is wearing, when this is not a fashion show. It's a debate. A suit and a tie is not going to help you with that. Peter brought that, but no winning argument to the table.

[@sk80soarus]

Bitcoin price the day this happened: $3,630 Bitcoin price the day I'm commenting: $68,577

[@kelvinhbo]

Remember to come back when bitcoin reaches $1,000,000

[@geedoubleu641]

If you want to know why not to waste time on this video, go to 23:00. Great example of what Keiser brings to the debate.

[@jersauce1337]

Gee DoubleU BTC is @14k right now (3500 at the time this video was recorded 2 months ago)

[@geedoubleu641]

Jerma - Compelling argument! XD

[@mariai9549]

@@jersauce1337 yeah and it was $19k and went to $5k too.

[@komancikartal]

We hit 65K, after correction we are in now 30K level. Lol

[@harriedebullebak858]

@@komancikartal yeah we went to 160k a we are going to 50k again

[@philleach6271]

Jan 2021 this hasn’t aged well for Peter

[@muabyt7333]

Give it time. People are just buying bitcoin because they think they price will go up. Nobody really uses it. Its very bubbly behavior

[@corstyl]

@@muabyt7333 Right, if Bitcoin was a real asset like gold, people would buy it because they think the price will go down. I myself only buy when I think the price will go down.

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

Lol

[@OPreston]

ahhhhh.

[@OPreston]

how more wrong can you be

[@giovannidistasi6416]

"People is going to lose faith if bitcoin goes to $1000"... it went around that ($3000) and now is $50.000

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

And now 38

[@LastTimer457]

And now 30k

[@SlapBac]

And now 35.8k

[@zaneroberski5130]

And now 39k

[@SlapBac]

And now 40.3k lol Gotta love it

[@tmg06d]

I'm really looking forward to the collapse of the Bitcoin bubble. These "smart" people are going to have a lot of soul searching to do.

[@robbycast]

Stack Silverson damn bro, u have no clue. Bitcoin has been crashing and recovering since its inception. and this with a small market cap of 60/70 billion. when it gains mass adoption and it will, you will miss out on the biggest distribution of wealth in history my friend. that’s just the tip of the iceberg. u may never understand it until it’s to late. do yourself a favor and just buy 1 bitcoin or 50 litecoins. just do it.

[@ESquaredSolutions]

@@robbycast It ended up collapsing, I'm sure a lot of people lost good amounts of savings :(

[@robbycast]

Yea if they sold but if they hold patiently they’ll be just fine

[@Dasrecord]

just found my soul. it was on the blockchain.

[@AlexLaslau]

@@robbycast message from the future. You are right the idiot above is not. Bitcon is poisoned to hit 100k AMERICAN dollars and it has been an additional halving since this debate took place

[@BaldWhiteguy]

Any points max might have won were lost with yelling. This guy is the TYT of financial advice.

[@TheIronDreidel]

White Privilege I had to stop watching for this exact reason.

[@renzokukenleneyoyo522]

Wow amazing metaphor the Cenk of financial advice... your earned a sandwich my good man!

[@destroya3303]

worse than Jim Cramer lol

[@Illidanek]

31:27 is one of the examples where Max throws an undeniable objective fact at Schiff and he completely dismisses it without any sensible argument. Schiff just doesn't understand technology.

[@samuelplante8830]

How do you stay calm Peter? Thumbs up to you!

[@douglassmith6275]

Samuel Plante because he's the Iceman lol

[@samuelplante8830]

To my opinion, it was a clear win for Peter, not that I do not agree to some degree with Max, ​but he acted like College student whining about inequality, and he wasted the time of everyone watching this debate.

[@davidpereira8474]

Because he has gold and not the bitcoin

[@cramsa]

LOL, bitcoin at 55k and now there is talk about Brazil making it a legal payment method… Peter Shiff is staking his reputation on Bitcoin’s failure and it looks like Peter is losing massively!

[@Jakkaribik1]

28.934,55EUR 15 May 2022

[@MrModguru]

Max lost his cool. Peter is cool as a cucumber

[@islandbee]

Peter Schiff is cool as my farts.

[@murrayflewelling1258]

yes because that arrogance never waivers or even considers an alternative argument.

[@mayamaya-kn8mk]

Losing your cool doesn't mean you lost. Sometimes people get upset when others aren't listening. Stubborn people never concede and that is frustrating.

[@andrewp146]

maya maya he’s stubborn because he’s correct.

[@mayamaya-kn8mk]

@@andrewp146 I like schiff but hes wrong about bitcoin. He sells gold so he has to do what he can to undermine bitcoin. Hes right about most everything else though

[@fatman6660]

Peter Schiff VS John Macafee now that would be a REAL gold and crypto conversation with people who BOTH understand gold and the technology:D

[@james3876]

Fringe characters make for great dialogue

[@chaosgamingtk8554]

Sadly it'll never happen

[@silverbirddog2761]

Max Keiser's dramatic performance will be one of the "best of" clips from the Bitcoin mania era.

[@Dasrecord]

and he'll still be right 10 years from now.

[@markglock2585]

Bitcoin 53k

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

@@markglock2585 Bitcoin 38k

[@Killer007Elite]

@@HenryPaulThe3rd Bitcoin 46k

[@xdonnix]

@@Killer007Elite 15.5k

[@mikevandenberge3389]

Data is money. Gold is money. It boils down to Security + Utility. So the question becomes, 1) which can be most secured? 2) which has the greatest ease of use and transferability?

[@mannyd2377]

"The new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." - Max Planck

[@fereshtaghafoori6533]

Peter sifff is a old school thinker times has changed bro wake up

[@UpwardsOnly89]

Much respect to Peter for going to the event in spite of knowing he'll be attacked by a pack of crypto-wolves. Could have been a good discussion, but Max had to make it into a shitshow lol. He thinks his audience is not capable of listening to technical stuff without there being a show to keep attention. Newsflash Max - your listeners are not a bunch of 9 year-olds.

[@islandbee]

The crowd seemed pretty entertained and supportive of Max. And he did bring up valid points that Peter Schiff couldn't refute with facts. His response: "NO IT'S NOT!"

[@Illidanek]

31:27 is one of the examples where Max throws an undeniable objective fact at Schiff and he completely dismisses it without any sensible argument. Schiff just doesn't understand technology.

[@jonathanleclerc2788]

@@Illidanek are you kidding me? Oh ok your one of those guys that take yelling and approving as a irrefutable fact.

[@mikewillsaved1152]

This debate was 2 against 1 & Mr. Schiff still came out on top. Situations like this only show you that most people are going to believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts or evidence & get emotional about it. I completely understand that sometimes the facts & evidence at hand appear to say one thing while ones gut feelings & intuition may say another but there's no need to get emotional about it or start screaming from the top of your lungs like a child.

[@harriedebullebak858]

Lol

[@GrantClementi]

This aged like milk :/

[@Janet_Yellens_Liquidity]

I believed Peter. Time has shown that Max was right.

[@stephenshuman1]

@@Janet_Yellens_LiquidityI’m not sure if you know the difference between a store of value vs an investment

[@stephenmcsweeney7562]

Max represents the mania well.

[@mayamaya-kn8mk]

He understands bitcoin, Peter doesn't

[@Of-AgeConsentingNon-Related]

​@@mayamaya-kn8mk"understands" lmao snakeoil salesmen and their doofus lackeys are so funny

[@stephenshuman1]

@@mayamaya-kn8mkyou don’t understand what a store of value vs an investment is.

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

I lasted until 24:53 with Kaiser screeching like a maniac.

[@losttale1]

the fuck

[@islandbee]

Basically when Max ripped Peter to shreds when he tried to lie about buying into Goldmoney at the lows.

[@johnmichaelkarma]

aahh.... ya missed the fistfight

[@chriss.8582]

Same. This was fucking hard to watch. Max's ridiculous behavior just proves Pete right about the Bitcoin mania.

[@AndresVernazza]

I lasted until the 32:10 mark... maniac attack number 2... I'm done here.

[@Zohan369]

Omg...watching in 2020 :D I will never ever not love that rage out from Max

[@abbudi222]

nice profile pic

[@jm2669o]

Peter Schiff is right there are only a few precious metals in existence but there could be unlimited number of digital currencies diluting the price of each individual one.I have zero doubt that the crazy move in BTC price is just another instance of irrational exuberance and it will end badly.

[@bigdaddynuts]

What say you now?

[@Ayutarda]

Doesn’t matter the market will only ever pick a few to be popular

[@FixedWing82]

Network effects will force the adoption of basically only one. KZbin vs their next biggest competitors Facebook vs their next biggest competitors Google vs their next biggest competitors Twitter vs their next biggest competitors These are all networks. People often can't even name their next biggest competitors, because they are totally irrelevant. Network effects draw people to invest in one, then to save their investment, they rebut competitors. irrelevant

[@izecold1582]

Lol, evole, adapt, and stack sats.

[@Holipsism]

This didn't age well, huh? 😂

[@jackgoh4713]

Peter Schiff you are the best.

[@hailo1884]

"It's going up 100k in Zimbabwe dollars." Thug Life

[@mayamaya-kn8mk]

😄

[@Subie_OffXroad]

Both are stupid haha should have bought bitcoin 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@SilentRio]

Still 'Thuging' in 2021? haha

[@coltuppal]

its 50k us dollars today you mug

[@jmfs2k273]

Bitcoins ATH is now over $73,000, Peter still says its not a good investment for anyone.

[@SimonYells]

Seems like BTC will hit 100k in USD and not in Zimbabwe Dollar.

[@kunbi10]

Max is the last person Satoshi Nakamoto would ask to create bitcoin/blockchain awareness for new investors.

[@2vnews902]

21st Century Battle: Digital Gold Money vs Cryptocurrency.

[@robbycast]

2VNews Cryptos win

[@TheShinchan99]

Keiser really didn't present any sound arguments then and sure as hell doesn't now. He rambled on about nonsense and I think he lost his mind. What type of crowd is he trying to attract acting like that, the comic book crowd?

[@dtrain138]

Dude! Why haven't I been getting your vids? I had to search you out. Much love!

[@biggerbitcoin5126]

I see Bitcoin as Gold and the rest of the coins are like steel, copper etc. Similar but not the same.

[@Gr8erThan8]

If something is described as the "new gold," is the author not admitting to the superiority of gold by using it as a metaphor for a standard of quality?

[@muhammaDEsmustafa]

Kaiser convinced me to stay out of bitcoins 🙏

[@harriedebullebak858]

He convinced me 8years ago, I'm financially free now 🙏🏻

[@anglaryan5779]

It's sad how Max acted. Could have been a good discussion but he ruined it.

[@spiffystump9137]

AND HERE WE ARE!!!!!!! Nov/11th/2019 Gold and Fiat currency losing value and Bitcoins is more profitable!

[@davidpereira8474]

wait until after the pandemic smart ass

[@barrymanning6554]

Wait till the governments pops the bubble. 7 years of history vs 5000.

[@dentpeninde]

You know you are losing an argument when you cannot control yourself and start shouting and jumping around the stage. He is practically crying up there.

[@DarkJDL]

Is he losing the argument though? :-) I know your comment is in 2017 and mine's in 2020. :P

[@dentpeninde]

@@DarkJDL indeed, he is making a fool of himself

[@benm2888]

Even though bitcoin just hit 50k peter schiff makes them look like they have no idea what they are talking about.

[@joelrq1]

Why not BUY BOTH

[@allroadsleadtobitcoin]

Everything about this is wonderful!

[@goldenbanjo197]

Funny part is max is actually a big advocate of gold also. He’s been recommending gold since before btc. I think he is right in thinking you should have both.

[@goldenbanjo197]

Duncan P yes he is right. You should have both gold and bitcoin. My point was he doesn’t make that view clear in this debate although he says it everyday in his KZbin channel. I guess it wouldn’t make a very good debate if he was agreeing with Peter the whole time.

[@rs72098]

@@goldenbanjo197 and stocks, bonds, silver and land if you have the money. Diversify, diversify, diversify.

[@davidczajkowski5956]

When people say the bitcoin price is high...well it really isn’t. The marketcap is under 200 billion. We don’t price gold in 12.4 Kilogram bars. I think the market needs to make a shift to showing Satoshi price as well.

[@quocalimar1309]

WTF is this! I now see why the audio was so low

[@Mrbullydog66]

I remember when Max was this passionate about silver. Wonder what he will move onto after bitcoin is stagnant for 10 years (if it lasts that long).

[@commaheartbreak1046]

Facepalm

[@coltuppal]

what u saying now mate. bitcoin is at $50k you muuuuggg

[@Mrbullydog66]

@@coltuppal 10 years ain't up yet pant sniffer. ;)

[@Dasrecord]

@@Mrbullydog66 the internet took 10 years to make sense and another 10 to take over the world. bitcoin has been around for about 10 years...and about to take over the world.

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

@@coltuppal lol 17k

[@joelbowen9969]

I was really looking forward to hear some insightful articulated thoughts on both sides of the argument. Peter made very good points, based on history and research. Max started doing what any idiot does when they are out of their league. I would enjoy Peter Schiff vs another Bitcoin expert in the future on the same debate topic. I am open to learning more about bitcoin, I like the idea of crypto. I just don't see how there is an intrinsic value in crypto. I am wanting to like crypto, but I haven't heard any compelling arguments why it will last.

[@DavidArulnathan]

can you explain..... I bought 1oz of Gold for 1 BTC in 2016, now I need 6oz of Gold to buy 1 BTC!!...??

[@Dasrecord]

$40kCAD-Jan 2021

[@martinluthierking]

right now Bitcoin is $40,000.00 and gold is still stuck under $2,000

[@i486DX66]

Would have been a lot easier to watch if Max would stop yelling like a crazy homeless person on PCP.

[@Illidanek]

I would have not watched a single minute of the video is Max wasn't being Max

[@RogaBigCalves]

$3000 BTC at the time of this video. I wish I could get some for that today.

[@RogaBigCalves]

Don't like how Max lost his cool, but I get it. I imagine Max goes off because Peter doesn't even understand how Bitcoin works and he feels debating the difference between things that the other person doesn't understand one of those two things turns more into trying to educating on the thing not understood, when they should be discussing the differences between the two.

[@Of-AgeConsentingNon-Related]

dont worry itll be less than 3k in no time

[@RogaBigCalves]

@@Of-AgeConsentingNon-Related If only 🙏

[@Andonios88]

I've heard Peter plenty advocate for foreign stocks, currency and investment funds. His gold sales are for a safe investment, I've never once heard Peter say "invest in gold and you will be rich through appreciation"

[@OwtDaftUK]

My understanding of the anti Bitcoin argument is. The reason gold stood the test of time is because it has intrinsic value and it's rare. This isn't true for Bitcoin and so you don't know it will work on that same basis and it's not been around long enough to say it's proven it's self. So you need an argument to show it will stand the test of time. The fact it going up in value is not an good argument because things have gone up in value in the past and crashed. Max doesn't seem to have a counter argument to this and so I award the win to Peter.

[@Dasrecord]

you can still change your mind...$40kCAD/BTC - JAN 2021

[@OwtDaftUK]

@@Dasrecord Look for a new mark.

[@smartalecthemotorguy2405]

My two favorite KZbinrs in a debate! I love both Peter Schiff and Max Keiser, keep up the good work! The a enemy of enemy is my friend thus both gold and bitcoin should be embraced! What I really want is a gold backed blockchain!

[@tmo2798]

Bitcoin is a scam. So are paper/electronic contracts for metals. Physical is not.

[@rubenve79]

26:48 They would have been up 50x had they held on.

[@abramtaylor7575]

Bitcoin is not Digital Gold Max. Gold is Gold.

[@judietoy2089]

I think the bottom line depends on why the buyers of either Bitcoin or gold are buying it for. If they did it to preserve their wealth in preparation for the global currencies reset, they have to decide which will hold its value better after the transformation from debt based to asset based of all currencies which include the dollar, yuan, euro, yen .....etc.Can anyone tell me if Bitcoin is an asset? I believe we may still have 10 years or so to figure it out.

[@SujitSMenon]

Somebody please get @aantonop Andreas Antonopoulos to public debate with Peter Schiff. I am happy to contribute money to see that.

[@Dasrecord]

same

[@godzillian3540]

Aged like milk

[@BigHotSauceBoss69]

For Peter...

[@theorchidcafe3951]

Not sure why Peter would post this - he embarrassed himself and Max destroyed his argument. Five years later Max was proven right.

[@DaDankStrafe]

Something really off-putting about Max just yelling obnoxiously, which makes people reflexively cheer it on, because it's so bizarre in a debate like this, which makes him and others wrongly think he is making good points. He is spewing pure nonsense that can mostly be reduced to "Bitcoin to the moon everybody!!!". It's pure nonsensical propaganda.

[@glory7086]

$51,000 today! 🏆

[@sirhexolot9528]

58,000 today ...

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

17,000

[@annon123]

25:51

[@Fadednights730]

Two of my favorite financial/economic information sources. Peter I think you carry yourself very well in this forum.

[@coltuppal]

but peter is wrong on everything as time has proven

[@matthewkrislow3442]

Can you say it’s been proven with time. The bubble is still inflating. It hasn’t popped yet

[@matthewkrislow3442]

@@coltuppal crypto bubble is still growing.. there is also a usd bubble. This is the decade the bubble pops. This is a accumulate and be ready play. Not a trade

[@maxflight777]

Who else is watching in April 2021? Peter is more likeable, but Max was correct. It’s interesting.

[@corstyl]

I agree, extremely likable...the gold watch, the suit..."the ones that are buying in now are the ones who are going to be the big losers" (29:45)...yes, a very impressive man, extremely likable

[@URAWESOME94]

Hmmmm.... I've never seen max so hyped up in a crazed manner. Most of his interviews are calm and steady. Now I understand why he's a frequent on Alex jones. He's acting like him. Here there's not a civil disagreement, there's one man yelling like a lunatic. Really dilutes any benefits from the conversation.

[@denpat101]

Every bitcoin cult holder is a genius until the bottom falls out.

[@chapter7149]

denpat101 it went up 6x a month after this interview lmao

[@Dasrecord]

$40kCAD-Jan 2021

[@Marco-cl9pb]

Maybe you should have bought Btc back 3 years ago instead of writing that comment

[@ChefRojo]

People are flat out ignoring the fact that there are companies offering very little to society that are worth TRILLIONS, but Bitcoin, a SOV and currency, is only in the billions. ETH, DOT, XTZ, BNB, VET, XMR are even less than Bitcoin. And then ALGO, REN, UNI, KNC, ZRX, KMD are all just in the millions. Unreal opportunity staring everyone in the face.

[@maxwaller2055]

*i like Timothy Maxwell Keiser, however, Max Keiser behaved in a childish manner when disagreeing with Peter Schiff - Peter Schiff won the debate* 6:52 PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time on Wednesday, 27 October 2021 Common Era or CE formerly known as Ano Domini or AD

[@randyforemen3234]

Why does Max just keep yelling things instead of arguing an actual point?

[@jonathanleclerc2788]

Because he's living in his world where this is the only single thing possible.

[@Jakkaribik1]

His live is only crypto without that he is at 0

[@stavroshadjiyiannis6283]

Peter Schiff is right and Keiser & Stacy are wrong. Money must be a commodity in and of itself to begin with.

[@Alex_Plante]

Actually no, money is just a token and in fact most money is credit-based.

[@KonaChuck22]

Stavros There have been things used as money through history that don't fit the definition of a commodity. Shells and beads and rocks were used exclusively as money for hundreds of years with no use as a commodity.

[@fatman6660]

Absolutely:D non negotiable

[@davincij15]

Stavros Hadjiyiannis why? Because someone said so? Money is not a thing animals understand it’s an invention. So saying money must be used for something else first limits the mind and is like saying a means of transportation must involve an animal since even animals understand that concept. Another example of mind limitations because some said so is the 4 minute mile, if you don’t know for very long time people believed humans could not run a mile in under 4 minutes and because someone said so everyone was limited by that statement. Free your mind!

[@stavroshadjiyiannis6283]

Money must be in a way directly comparable to all the other commodities that are measured against it. For this reason, there must be a common denominator between the money commodity and all other ones --> in this case, average socially necessary labor time required to produce it.

[@FreedomFinance88]

Instead of arguing over which asset to buy and sit and hold hoping to get rich... buy buy buy... why aren't we collectively producing for consumption and saying "earn, earn, earn." Why don't we contribute to producing the very goods and services that we're hoping to consume after striking it rich.

[@well.thy.one.]

Fitness&Finance enough sensibility out of you!

[@peteg8920]

So what happens when governments decide bitcoin is a real threat ? They ban all bitcoin transactions. Anyone suspected of dealing in bitcoin goes jail. Any dealer receiving payment in bitcoin goes to jail. Anyone receiving dollars exchanged from bitcoin goes to jail. What will the price of a bitcoin be then ?

[@jaybones3459]

Peter says “ no matter how many you have you still dont have anything” Favorite part!

[@Dasrecord]

$40kCAD/BTC - JAN 2021

[@Marco-cl9pb]

That didn't aged well

[@silverado611]

Listen to Anton Antonopolous on bitcoin and he will explain the value and legitimacy of bitcoin and blockchain in a much more thorough and convincing way.

[@Dasrecord]

yet he would likely decline a debate citing that open source protocols will thrive regardless of its advocates. bitcoin has won the debate by making it unnecessary.

[@cramsa]

LOL, Peter, your predictions have not aged well on bitcoin…

[@jjenson2006]

The government made gold & silver illegal to use as currency. Gold and silver still have value because they have intrinsic value. People want gold and silver anyway for use as jewelry, etc. If the government made Bitcoin illegal to use as a currency, who would want it? You wouldn't do anything with it. If you owned it, it would be a complete loss; you couldn't sell it, because no one would have any use for it because it has no intrinsic value.

[@kelvinhbo]

Peter Schiff got grilled so hard in this debate, I'm surprised he uploaded this to his channel.

[@rohan22no]

Somewhere underneath that crap, Max is a crazily smart guy. Its sad we dont get to see it more often.

[@fatman6660]

Rohan Aldridge it is sad becuase he used to be one of the few people presenting facts about debates no one else would have , that was like 8 years ago and now hes a bought out shill :(

[@Gr8erThan8]

honestly, he is probably on a ton of drugs. thats not to be mean, i dont think drugs are bad, but this is how ppl act when they use cocaine habitually. he is rich enough to afford it, so i dont hate him for ruining his life, but Bitcoin should find a new ambassador. i was looking forward to this debate, and it was a waste of time. everyone at the conference thought so to...no one showed up to that big, empty room.

[@Goff968]

it seemed a bit unfair. the moderator is supposed to be neutral on topics, and she was advocating for bitcoin here. Max talked over Peter for the majority of this debate, and she didn't do anything about it. In addition to that, Max's microphone was WAY louder.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

Max Keiser is a conman, he was telling people to buy silver to crash J.P. Morgan. That never happened. He just pumped up the price of silver and dumped it after it went up to $50/oz.

[@roeKY]

why is this guy yelling?

[@SimpMcSimpy]

for Max that is normal behavior