This is how the Russian SU-27 Will Fight the F-16 in Ukraine

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

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[@ivanperfetti9554]

hello, a question, I want to join the army and at the same time study a degree, is it possible?

[@muhammedaliabbasi8379]

Please make video on turkish jets kizelma and tfx kaan

[@steventousignant1516]

Hello. Can you do a video about the "lost" F35 ejection seat. I've been seeing some reports that the seat "is Smart"" meaning if the planes computer determines a failure, it will automatically eject the pilot without them having to do anything. Also, what's your opinion about"Smart" ejection seats?

[@arsenijearsen3041]

​@@muhammedaliabbasi8379bravo, you nailed him.

[@House_of_Schmidt]

Russians are primarily using Su-35's for air superiority with modern fox 3's including R-77's and R-37's which outrange anything these older F-16's have. Their radar is also far more powerful. Likely Ukraine will just need to avoid being detected at all by the Russians and use the F-16 for deterrence and maybe strike support here and there. Our money would probably be better spent on artillery for Ukraine. Russians will always have air dominance in this area.

[@Aquascape_Dreaming]

You're correct, they're more likely to go up against SU-35's. But, although their radars are more powerful, they are lackluster in their performance and reliability. Russians love to outdo American specs, but they cut many corners to get there, and end up with an inferior version. The Viper was built perfectly for its intended purpose, and has withstood the test of time.

[@СерхиоБускетс-ф7я]

the usa and nato no longer have 155mm shells, you also can't give artillery. Forget, Russia will win there. The Russian drones are destroying your artillery so fast that Biden doesn't know what to do now.

[@Max_Da_G]

@@Aquascape_Dreaming Where is the info from regarding poor performance and reliability of IRBIS and BARS radars? Also which modern weapon for Russians use that is a poor knockoff of a US weapon?

[@amazin7006]

@@Max_Da_G R77-1's poor performance is documented well in Ukraine. They are recorded as firing 6 of them per day with very few actual kills confirmed.

[@voidtempering8700]

​@@amazin7006What do you think is the normal kill rate for BVR missiles?

[@bobbybawbager]

Lol this didn't age well!! 7 f-16s have been taken out in Ukraine without flying a single operation 😂😂😂

[@Nelson_Ribeiro_aka_M.z.K.]

They said the same about Iran missile capabilities a year ago, that didn't aged well too ;)

[@usuariopimba707]

I have a feeling that the Russians are waiting for this, those Russian bases full of air superiority fighters in Crimea make me doubt whether it is a good idea to send any air vehicles there.

[@1ask2risk]

1:55 BFM. No, that means Basic Fighter-Pilot Mustache. I applaud your stash.

[@pongo1969]

A lot of interesting theories: only reality will show which one will prevail. Do not forget that a few years ago (2019) an old Indian Mig 21 soviet era shot down a F16 of Pakistan Air Forces

[@jah886]

@DGSmith I understand that your brain cannot accept this fact. but this case is real

[@jah886]

@DGSmith The BBC is going to hell. I studied directly Indian sources

[@jah886]

@DGSmith The BBC is also not an independent source. There are no independent media at all. everyone depends on someone or is under influence and pressure

[@dawidkiller]

an extremely upgraded mig 21 ...

[@jah886]

@@dawidkiller All the same, this does not negate the fact that it was a MiG 21

[@iamfritz]

The reason Ruski Su-27s and MiG-29s carry so few rounds is because they have a dogfight mode that only fires the gun when the pipper ison a designated target. Meaning: The Flanker locks up his target with radar, holds down the gun trigger and maneuvers the bandit (an F-16) into the pipper. The gun does not fire until the pipper actually lines up on the F-16. A hit is virtually guaranteed, and rounds are not wasted. Weight is even saved by carrying fewer rounds. I believe the F-35A/B/C also has this smart firing system, as it also carries so few rounds in its gun.

[@Haroun-El-Poussah]

Hey, you know, Dassault had this feature on Mirage-III in the early 60's!!! BTW, the last dogfight between jet fighters using the gun happened in 1982 when a S-African Mirage-F1 shot down a Cuban MiG-21 over Angola... Only two F-16s were shot down in A2A, one by a Mirage-2000, one by a Bison. Remember that Indian Bison were built by HAL, not by Mikoyan-Gurevich, and they're filled with Israeli and French combat systems, as all Indian jets of russian design. Now India even loads them with Israeli and French AAMs as russian R-77 has proven irrelevant and R-73 really lacks range... MICA-IR ranges 50km and has a no escape zone of... 50km! This is larger than AIM-120C's NEZ! MICA- NG/IR's range is 80km and so is its NEZ... And this is what replaces the R-73 short range IR-guided missile on Indian jets! IAF wanted the long range Meteor instead of the Israeli Derby-ER, but Modi refused as Meteor needs a proprietary datalink only available with Eurocanards' radars and replacing the radars with these was seen as too expensive

[@spiritofattack]

I'm an F-106 pilot from the 1960's. I wish you could have discussed the radar capabilities and ECM more. Also, I expect that anti-aircraft fire will be a serious concern over the Ukraine front lines. I doubt if a dogfight such as you describe will be common -- there are lots of SAMs which may be the primary concern -- who has the best ECM? In the 1960's, we seldom flew alone -- usually in a pair -- how would that affect the battle?

[@Max_Da_G]

ECM? He is not allowed to say a word about it.

[@suyashsingh6976]

Sir, the falcon will stand no chance in one circle against flanker with archer and HMS. Ukrainians need a lot of luck!! Russians have been training against eagles and falcon tactics for decades now.

[@deltavee2]

@@suyashsingh6976 Riiiight Commrade...how many hours of real flight time do the Red pilots get in a year? Look it up. It's pathetic. You're also assuming their maintenance is good enough that their birds won't have a RUD when the pilots start stressing the frame. Good luck with that in the land of "the hammer fixes all." maintenance mentality.

[@GaryBeaton-b6q]

@deltavee2 When the Russian pilots demonstrate their flying skills by flying in very close proximity to American drones all the world hears is whining about those same pilots acting 'unprofessionally.' The heroic John McCain was bombing a city when he was shot down but as long as he was acting 'professionally' who can complain?

[@Matt-tt4cu]

@@deltavee2 Yeah all the little reds are chirping everywhere on here. It's cute. Ryan forgot to include that Ukraine is getting a bunch of -120C8 and -120D's. Lotta Red Air pilots are going to die BVR....

[@bill-nn1vp]

One thing for sure.. the russians have always had a penchant for superior flight charcteristics.. look at the yak 3 during ww2.. the most manouveravle fighter of that time.. mig 15 same.. and su 57 they say,, is the most capable aerodynamic flight machine desingned in human history

[@williamsmith7340]

I suspect the MiG-29 was the plane designed to counter the F-16, and F-18. The Su-27 was designed as a F-15 killer.

[@raz4371]

Mig-29 is more of a missile truck, but su-27 for sure.

[@raz4371]

@edxwinx "6 missiles max" 😂😂 you should probably educate yourself before commenting.

[@bolt1507]

@edxwinx they made different models that could carry more missiles like the MiG-29M

[@SandMartin]

The most likely scenario is not the F-16 against the Su-27, but the F-16 against the Su-30SM or Su-35 with thrust vector engines, Irbis-E passive electronically scanned array radar and R-37 and R-77 missles or even the MiG-31

[@Aquascape_Dreaming]

Thrust vectoring is only as good as your aircraft's ability to regain energy. Without a powerful engine, thrust vectoring leaves you dead in the water, and an easy target. Russians are producing aircraft that can do some 'wowee!' things, but when it comes to practicality within combat, they are trailing far behind the Americans.

[@amr8457]

You are 100% correct. But don't forget the unsung and unknown hero the Mig-31. Russia is actually using Mig-31 with nothing but success. Mig-31, SU-30,, SU-35SM(2). They use these fighters to look down on the battlefield and launch R-37m down on them with MAXIMUM kinetic energy. Ukrainian pilots don't even have a chance. Russian aircraft never even have to cross into Ukraine to do this.

[@vilmomoccolosso9824]

@@amr8457 Both of you are absolutely correct. Plus, it's going to be interesting to see how will F-16's do in air to ground role since USA won't allow them to get anywhere near the battlefield for sure

[@amr8457]

@@vilmomoccolosso9824 They might not get any at all. 10 F-16's is $2 billion alone. They want between 60-80. Russia doing a REALLY good job at draining NATO and Co.

[@ryanmumbower3035]

@@amr8457 also good at draining their own ground forces

[@ChristopherSterwerf]

When I was a kid, and after watching Iron Eagle hundreds of times, I thought a multi role fighter meant that the jet could do a bunch of aileron roles. Hah!

[@turbopower7308]

Didn't you have internet access at that time?

[@ChristopherSterwerf]

@@turbopower7308 The internet wasn't a thing in the 80's

[@turbopower7308]

@@ChristopherSterwerf ohh! Sorry

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@turbopower7308 Don't you have internet access? Any intelligent person would have seen that he said "was a kid" could have looked up when Iron Eagle released and made an intelligent assertion that multi-role, can sound like multi roll, and see the humor in the original poster's comment.

[@turbopower7308]

@@ImpendingJoker yaa!! Here after watching a sense of the movie. They put multi-roll into a whole new level 🙂🙃🙂

[@sasababic4016]

If I'm pilot of f16, I will think twice

[@alexanderyaants8304]

Russian forces don't have SU-27 in Ukraine, they have SU-35

[@michaelg.9791]

We like to fool ourselves to make us feel good. Don't spoil that. 🤫

[@userur32793]

they also use su27

[@wallingnaga6563]

@@userur32793Ukraine will face a Su30SM or Su35 more than Su27

[@jetfighter200]

I think long and medium range SAMs like the S-300/400 or Buks will be more of a threat to F-16s than to other fighters..and Max completely missing that the russians using also R-77-1 and R-37...one should also not forget that the ukrainian pilots have to learn the type first and a crash course is not enough...otherwise what happened with the bradleys and leopard 2 will happen to the F16s

[@roman335i]

Dont matter for him.... Also him: F16 wins because its an US jet^^

[@pogo1140]

The sams pose the same threat to the F-16 as it does to the other Ukrainian jets, zero threat at 100miles as long as you fly below 5,000ft. At 200ft, the SAM radar has to be within 30 miles for it to be a threat

[@Bee87ify]

@@roman335i да он вообще несет чушь этот недолетчик ))) С чего он взял, что против F16 будут Су27 одного не пойму, если нашим будет приказ по максимум унизить F16, как с леопардами и бредли 🤣🤣🤣 Тем более на кану будет репутация натовской техники ))

[@roman335i]

@@Bee87ify я согласен

[@ShadeAKAhayate]

@@pogo1140 You, of course, play DCS and know how missile range drastically reduces with altitude. So it's more about giving Ukraine any air power to replace lost capabilities than using advantages of F-16 FCR.

[@kazadsak2070]

Looks like theory for me. If Ukraine gets the F-16 : 1. I don’t think they will get a newer version as the US will be scared to lose some of them and Russia manage to put its hand on them. 2. Adopting the f-16 platform will require a huge change in the maintenance and logistic aspects in the Ukrainian Air Force. 3. The F-16s will probably get destroyed on the ground directly by hypersonic missiles. 4. Weak AD on Ukrainian side. 5. Russian AF and AD work together in a multilayer defense system, I don’t know how an old version of the F-16 can operate in such an environnement without support.

[@amazin7006]

If Russia could hit air bases with hypersonic missiles they would have already. 500 days in and Ukraine is still running dozens of sorties every day. The fact is, Russia's missiles are inaccurate and have garbage penetration. Air defense on Ukraine has been strong, s300, patriot, Gepard, CRAM, etc. It's a multilayered system designed to take out drone swarms and cruise missiles without a sweat. There's a reason Russia has chosen to focus on Odesa now that Kyiv is protected. Russian air defense has been shown to be vulnerable to HARM and storm shadow missiles. Many s400 and s300v4 have been destroyed now.

[@andreaskampe9143]

The hypersonic missiles are not cheap, only if the target is worth it. The Ukrainian air defense desperately needs more S300, not many left and not easy to get hold of any more. Ukraine is lacking everything in resources, especially soldiers. @@amazin7006

[@comment6864]

@@amazin7006 oh boy.. serious case of cope

[@amazin7006]

@@comment6864 Why does Ukraine still have an active air force? Why do they still have 78 jets still going into combat weekly? Keep coping putinski

[@nneesskkee]

The reason why the USA and the USSR started air-superiority programs (in parallel - in case you didn't know and you didn't) is the Vietnam War. The moment the Soviets started their air-superiority program, the F-16 project didn't even exist. At the beginning of development, the F-16 was not a multi-role fighter. This came much later. In the beginning this was purely a tactical/front line fighter. The Su-27 was designed as an air-superiority fighter plane from the ground up. Same as the F-15. The Su-27, like the F-15, is designed to clear the depth of enemy airspace of tactical/front line fighters for bombers with their escorts and thereby reduce bomber losses. The Su-27 is designed to be an air-superiority fighter plane. Multi-role came much later. This is still primarily air-superiority. Mulry-role is secondary. WWII showed that it is better to have a higher caliber and less ammunition than the other way around. For Russian radars, you have no idea what you are talking about. But that would be too long a post. Try to get information from non-Western sources. From sources that are not direct competition on the market. As for maneuverability, you understand that the newer Su-27 versions (Su-35 for example), which are the versions that the F-16 would most often encounter in Ukraine, have thrust vectoring that no operational F-16 variant has? You understand this - right? As for the visibility from the cockpit, it is comparable if you look at the newer versions of the Su-27, as you showed when you talked about the visibility. Russians don't practice basic maneuvers very often... WTF are you talking about? Close air combat is the basis of their training. It would not be a bad idea for you from the West to make up your mind. Common claims are that Russian tactics are outdated because they rely too much on WVR and neglect BVR. And now they ignore basic maneuvers (which is WVR). This means that Russian pilots have no training at all. Except the instructors who trained former MiG-29 pilots to fly the F-16 say this is a very bad idea. Because in critical situations they return to the old routine. And to train new pilots who have never flown a MiG-29 or any other aircraft is much better. Russians don't have this problem. In fact, the G preoblem would be much more pronounced on the Russian side. Because of thrust-vectoring. This will get you above 9G much faster. Maybe you didn't know, but Greece has the best pilots in NATO. Even the Israelis admit this. That's why they train with the Greeks whenever they get the chance. The closed eyes thing is a standard part of Russian training. Precisely because of thrust-vectoring. You did not give a particularly rosy situation for the Ukrainian pilots when you said that it is all up to the pilot. These will be pilots with several months of training on completely unknown aircraft for them. Which will go against pilots who fly very serious airplanes that they fly almost all of their adult lives. This is not a particularly good situation for Ukrainian pilots.

[@QuicksilverVM]

in 1992 russians were invite for a dogfight simulation to USairforce base. su27 vs f15 russians won 8-0 , merics are all talk but dont stand a chance in real fight.

[@schannel7211]

You pretty much explained the Ukrainian version of the Su-27. Russian versions like the SM,SM2/3 are upgraded.

[@GeeLove]

Another thing you said is that the SU-57’s engines you can roll, climb and yaw you can use the movable exhaust can fly the plane. Fly by wire and fly by engine. Impressive.

[@drfill9210]

They also fly into terrain well

[@bluemarlin8138]

Impressive at air shows. Mostly useless at combat speeds. The US actually tested thrust vectoring on the F-15 (google F-15 ACTIVE) and F-16 in the early 1990s. The thrust vectoring (full 360°) was better than what the Ruzzians have even today, but the USAF thought it just wasn’t useful enough to put on future US aircraft. Thrust vectoring was already part of the F-22 design by this point though.

[@Haroun-El-Poussah]

Thrust vectoring is great for Bolshoi air ballet, but give a try to the Cobra figure during a dogfight and get cut in two by the adversary's gun! Even the Harrier trick that once worked is known in and how to counter it is taught to all cadets pilots. My bet goes on the lighter jets in case of dogfight! Remember how Rafale, Mirage-2000 and even T-38 owned the thrust-vectored F-22 during BFM drills?

[@Xover112]

@@bluemarlin8138 how does it fell to blow yourself?

[@richardsmith1284]

I've always heard that the aircraft is important, but it comes down to pilots experience

[@Zoonjse]

Thats what matters and ive been saying. F16 is goof for what it is done for. Hardly trained Ukrainians are not going to do it. Its an aircraft good for ground ops. not dogfighting. first, how is it going to handle with BUK, S-400 or S-500? remains to be seen.

[@Haroun-El-Poussah]

@@Zoonjse S-500 is an anti-ballistic system and is only deployed in protection of Moscow... S-400 is gone, anyway, it's crap, and Buk gets busted by HiMARS

[@ivanstepanovic1327]

1) R-73, Russian short range Fox-2 has the range of 30-40km, depending on version. Not 20 as you stated. 2) Newer versions of R-27 Alamo have range over 100km, but that's Fox-1, so not much use there, despite the range advantage. No idea why Russians still insist on Fox-1 missiles, TBH... 3) All Su-27 in Russian active use are capable to carry R-77 which is Fox-3, which you failed to mention... 4) Su-27 has helmet mounted sight for Fox-2. So, that's a problem in close combat for the other plane that doesn't have it Besides, Su-27 is not the only thing those 10-12 F-16s will have to face... Newer Flanker versions, MiG-31 with hypersonic Fox-3 R-37M and the range of around 400km, ground radars and SAM systems that have been proven to hit small targets like drones, cruise missiles etc... And the threat of their airfields being attacked at any point... Not looking good for them, tbh

[@13ip0lar]

As the son of a Marine and aerospace engineer, your technical and clearly real life experience is appreciated. Thanks for your service and sharing your knowledge sir.

[@abdulmismail]

Hi Ryan. I thought it was the MiG-29 which was developed to counter the F-16 and the Su-27 was designed to counter the F-15; not that the Su-27 won't encounter the Ukrainian F-16s. A few points though; 1. The Russians have the R-37 Vympel hypersonic missile with a range of 200km, well out of the range of F-16 AMRAAMs (~100km) so I can't see any merges happening. 2. The Russians will have S-400s deployed on their side of the border, in Belarus and in Crimea so 400km of territory within the Ukrain/Russian border will be "no-go" areas. 3. Looking at Western engagements with Soviet/Russian aircraft where the kill ratio was really high in favour of Western aircraft isn't a real comparison because the export version of Russian aircraft are inferior to those that the Russians have. My best guess is, the Russians know everyone is watching so they're holding back - which makes their military look amateurish, but I think they're saving their best technology in case the West becomes too adventerous.

[@andrewcapone3345]

I would prefer not merging with a SU-27 and getting a BVR kill which is most likely how air-to-air engagements would happen today.

[@prezodent2371]

The mig 29 and the su30 family have helmet tracking and targeting isn’t that a plus in close quarters and the new versions also have thrust vectoring you didn’t mention any of these factors the f16 would be facing

[@HiroKone]

Because it does not matter. And the Su27 is the most abundant fighter, not the Su 30 or 35. People read stats on Wikipedia, see a number is bigger and think they know what is superior. Nonsense. The F16 also has a what is called helmet mounted cueing system by the way. That is not something only the Russians have. Far from it. And thrust vectoring? Who cares? This is not WW2. Dogfights are pretty unimportant nowadays. What matters is the weapons you can carry, how many of those you have and the sensor systems you have. If Ukraine gets F16s with all the gizmos that is a very significant capability. No one cares that the su27 can do a Cobra because that is (almost) useless in combat. No one cares that the Su 35 radar has the most wattage if you can't track.

[@AtosVeron]

ещё как волнует мощная РЛС, иначе не было бы технологии снижения заметности и РЭБ😉.@@HiroKone

[@jamesluisitobinoya4856]

​@@HiroKoneI strongly agree with you, cobra maneuver is good only in air show, they do not know what stress of the frame of the plane will suffer if they keep on doing in cobra maneuver it will just end in a plane with fractured bones.

[@julienckjm7430]

So it went from "this is how the Su-27 will fight against the F-16" to "this is how the F-16 will fight against the Su-27"?😅

[@militavia-air-defense-aircraft]

This video is totally dumb. Russia literally do not use any Cold War Su-27s. Calling Su-27 later planes with different capability is simply funny.

[@maxnikolenko2302]

Russians are not gonna get mixed up in dog fights, unless its absolutly necessary. They will entice the f16 pilots to follow them into areas where Russian sams will take care of the opponents airplane

[@appa609]

He's the only one I've ever heard recommend going 1 circle in an F-16 against a flanker.

[@Karackal]

This one took me by surprise as well. I guess if you have HOBS IR-tracking missiles, potentially with a HMCS, 1-circle is really the only option anyone has.

[@claudiusconruton2720]

Every Russian fighter has hobs missiles, it appears this poor fellow was not informed about it😂

[@AmandaUK-n5v]

What about SU-35 or SU-57 ?

[@mefobills279]

F16 needs pristine runways.

[@ErikUnger]

Sounds like a propaganda piece with minimal information. Doesn't mention a single strength of the Su, just praise for the Viper.

[@milenko8bradanov]

I am a little bit disappointed too. Russian VVS will most likely use Su-30SM and Su-35s, which are much more modernised variants of the "basic" Su-27. They are Fox3 shooters, have better avionics, better radars, thrust vectoring controls... still a good challenge for F-16 MLU.

[@riccccccardo]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@MarshFlyFightWin]

I was thinking the same thing, as most likely if Ukraine gets F-16s they'll be older export versions that may lack newer avionics,engines, and weapons. While if they fight they'll be engaging newer Flanker variants like the SU-30s and SU-35 that have modern avionics, engines (including thrust vectoring), and weapons. Not counting the fact the Russian Flankers will have ground support from SAMs, and if they're willing to use even the rare support of their A-50 AWACs assets.

[@vasilijevukadinovic6843]

The su35s outclass the f16 in every category from training to radar to r37. We already know that Ukraine will get a version from the 80's or 90's. We are sending them to there death

[@pogo1140]

@@MarshFlyFightWin Take out a ruler and measure 30miles east of the battle lines. now figure out how close you need to get to be able to shoot at a target that's moving away from you at 200ft off the ground. Hint, it's going to be within 30 miles east of that same battle line.

[@bartdekkers8227]

beyond visual range the SU-35 can het about 100 km further then the F16.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

What about the R-37M air to air missile? Is that something the F-16 would have to deal with in Ukraine or are they in short supply like the SU-57?

[@Max_Da_G]

R-37Ms aren't in short supply. Western TV and politicians and generals had been making statements about what Russia will do and how long until they run out of missiles. Everything they said was wrong. Russia has no shortage of air to air missiles at least for this conflict.

[@amazin7006]

@@Max_Da_G No general has every said anything about running out of missiles. I just googled it and you completely made that up. Why do you lie? When you lie it's obvious that you're pushing an agenda

[@SmedleyDouwright]

I imagine both planes will launch missiles at max range and run away.

[@milenko8bradanov]

That is what I think, too. Ukrainian Air Force cannot afford to lose their F-16s in dogfights, and Russian VVS did not show any will to dogfight since the start of Special Operation.

[@solemnwaltz]

Hot take right here

[@vasilijevukadinovic6843]

The su has a 10 times better radar and the r37m to shoot at it up to 400km away. It's not even close to a fare fight

[@pogo1140]

@@vasilijevukadinovic6843 400km if the F-16 is headed towards the SU at mach 1.2 and does not turn. If the 16 is on the deck, moving at a 45deg angel to the SU, maybe 100km,

[@vasilijevukadinovic6843]

@pogo1140 it's simple. I said max range 400km. And yes that is in certain scenarios. The point is that it is the longest range missle and flys hypersonic speeds. No one else has this. Yhe closest thing is the meteor and eventually the aim260. So my point still stands. Do u have anything else stupid to say?

[@fredcorbin3571]

As I outlined in my last comment about the F-16 vs SU-57 - There Is No Contest !! In this case the same Modus Operandi Applies to the Su-27 How So ? The SU-27, to begin with, is a Long Range Air Defense Platform and carries the same 400 km long range air to air missiles as the SU-57 - Moreover, the SU-27 has a far more capable multi-function Radar and Passive IR Seek & Track capability with which to employ long range BVR Defense / Offense tactics. Viewed as a Strategic Air Defense Weapons Platform the SU-27 has twice the range of the F-16 and is (depending on Pilot Proficiency) an order of magnitude more maneuverable than the F-16 in any Air Combat Scenario. As I said previously - unless the F-16's for Ukraine are going to be piloted by American, Israeli or NATO Trained Pilots - the Ukrainian F-16's will be smoking black spots on the fields of Ukraine within 3 minutes of departure from the bases.. What is it that the U.S. & NATO Don't Get ??? Furthermore, the sheer scale and competency of the integrated Net Centric ISR Strike capabilities of the Russian Air Defense Infrastructure is unmatched anywhere in the world and its getting better with each passing week of this ridiculously protracted military conflict. If aircraft such as miniature palm sized drones up to supersonic HIMARS Missiles can be intercepted what do you think will happen to a few F-16's with Barn Door sized Radar Cross Sections ?? Has Ukraine developed some magical cloaking device that will prevent them from being detected on Russian Radars - this whole notion of F-16's in the hands of a bunch incompetent Nazi Mercenary Pilots with a few months training - is akin to a bad case of Volatile Diarrhea after a Piss Up at the Pub - You're Gonna be in a Shit Storm in a Hurry !!

[@secundus6457]

They say Abrams is the best tank🤣

[@slavetool9066]

Russia is phasing the SU-27 out of service. From what I understand there are few 27s left in service. More likely they will face SU 30, 35 etc.

[@vimfuego8827]

The F16 would have zero chance against the Su27 in all theatres of combat. The F16 was not designed to face the SU27, same as the F104 was not designed to face the Mig 21. This fight will never happen in Ukraine, the Russians have far superior advantage and I am an American patriot, but I'm realistic.

[@josephwallis8965]

great video, thank you, thank you and keep up your great work, Ukraine will win

[@markymarknj]

Doesn't the Su-27 have thrust vectoring though? Won't that be a great help in a WVR, BFM environment?

[@samicolgecen5310]

No. Only the SU30, 33 and the 35 versions have it, not the 27. I think one version of SU27 has it but it is being used as an airshow jet.

[@milenko8bradanov]

Su-27s don't have thrust vectoring control. Su-30SM and Su-35S do, and yes, it will help them in WVR BFM 1-circle.

[@Hypernefelos]

@@samicolgecen5310 Yeah, but Su-30s and Su-35s are the versions being used against Ukraine. Russia isn't sending its Su-27s there, either because they aren't as survivable or to avoid IFF mix-ups with Ukraine's Su-27s. Su-30s and Su-35s are also equipped with more modern missiles, so this comparison seems moot.

[@MemeManiaYT]

@@samicolgecen5310yes they actually do. You can look it up😂

[@MemeManiaYT]

@@milenko8bradanovyes the su 27 has better thrust to weight ratio bro

[@BakitracinTugungu]

So, in order to fight against the "Soviet" (he did say Soviet) technology on Su 27 (also Soviet technology), the F16 would need to enter temporal rift and travel to 1989. Makes sense.

[@RIRI-el6xm]

This will spread the technology on board, which version Does it have AESA radar or not and what types of missiles, what version. Incidentally, the pilot's experience counts. Between the Sukhoi 27 which is almost blind which has a moderately lock down shots down Doppler radar and FOX1 missiles which forces you to follow the target, or the Sukhoi 35 which has a powerful PESA radar and FOX 3 fire and forget, with 5 times the range of those from Sukhoi 27 is not the same world. We have an even bigger gap between an F16 C and an F16-72 with an AESA radar and AIM120 D, very long range. If we talk about pure aeronautical characteristics, this apart from any consideration of the weapon system, then the Sukhoi is more maneuverable, more powerful with a greater rate of climb, a higher power-to-weight ratio (but like the F16 is light, he still moves well, does not degrade his energy too much. An advantage for the Sukhoi but the fight will not be easy. We saw it against other aircraft which move well, even more than the Sukhoi type Rafale or Typhone, the ration is approximately 1 to 4 in training against its modern Fighter in simulated wvr combat (dog fight) (no one wanting to give the specter are radar in training (no BVR). If the F16 is a modern standard with an AESA radar and AIM120Ds, then the ration could be to its advantage. Not that the Russians don't have good missiles (quite the contrary) or powerful radar, but no AESA No active antenna on the Sukhoi 27-35. And this for the BVR is a definite handicap. Now an Su57 can illuminate for friends in SU 35 in real, collaborative and network combat.

[@BartBart22]

That's the gayest mustache since Freddy Mercury.

[@akicaww]

why would you compare su27 to f16 if there are 110 su35s?

[@HanhweKim]

Thank you for the video. Don’t the Suhois have helmet aimed off boresight missiles? How would those be used against the F-16?

[@juavi6987]

The F-16 can have AIM-9X. But actually the Ukrainian MiGs do already have the same R-73 off-boreside missiles as the Russians do. What is missing is active-radar-homing long-range missiles which they will get with the F-16 in the form of AIM-120C

[@WilfredMolina-u3h]

No chance for the F16 against russian military power this is not Irak,Libia ,Siria !!!:

[@randysearle2702]

you didnt mention Su-35s are known to be carrying R-77s -which is without any doubt the greatest threat to the 16. Also while I think we can agree that the quality of pilots will probably be better with the Ukranians - their newness to the 16 wont help. Further - the 35s will probably be flying higher - and the Irbis-E is a PESA hybrid radar with a HUGE antennae diameter - while the block20 MLUs are running a -66 v2 or 3 with the upgraded computer - faster but still limited by mechanical scan and half the dish diameter of the 35.. I think its likely the 35s pick up the 16s first, and with R-77s put the 16s into the defensive first. If the pilots can notch em correctly i think the rest plays out like you said WVR - but I think its pretty likely that the engagements will start with the 16s defensive. Now I'm no Su-35 fanboy - I think it gets smoked by any of our current 4th gen flighters with their current sensor suites hands down - but the blk-20 MLU's are really long in the tooth now, and combined with brand new 16 pilots not even qualified flight leads yet seems to me the 16s will have both hands tied behind their backs in BVR. Tell me if you see it differently. defence-blog.com/russian-fighter-fired-and-lost-a-secret-missile-in-ukraine/

[@kevinvanbeurden7341]

Have you ever flown anything other then US produced?

[@odins_claw]

Feel like I've just learnt a bunch of shit. Cheers man

[@sukkeri]

Russia is using Su-30, Su-34, Su-35 and Mig-31 in the war. Not so much Su-27. They are shooting missiles from long range inside Russia's borders.

[@alexbyrd7209]

It could end up to be F16 vs. S400 or S350 if we are speaking Ukraine :)

[@BOBH-y5k]

Great video and analysis, and here are a couple more factors. I flew F15s (including in Desert Storm) and V16s as an Aggressor at Nellis. Lose sight lose fight is a spot on lesson and the Su27 is MUCH bigger making it easier to keep track of for sure. Besides shear size, quality is another huge factor. In 1990 after the wall had fallen, we escorted 2 SU-27s from Alaska to Langley for an exchange visit. Later some of my guys went back to Russia but I missed that being in William Tell. Upon arriving in Virginia and examining the aircraft close up, the quality was just horrendous. The nose cone material literally looked like it was scraped with a cheese grater to get the shape. Rivets were missing and not flush, and the tires were rolled rubber and not pneumatic showing holes down to the rim! Therefore, reliability will be affected as the F16 is of so much higher quality in materials, fit and hence reliability. Having watched Russian SAMs fall apart midair during Desert Storm, the survivability of the F16 will be heads and tails above Russian quality. Besides quality, training is the be all, end all. Training establishes proficiency and repetition enhances survivability. As long as the Ukrainians fly often and train often, proficiency will reign in the air with a superior aircraft with superior visibility, superior energy management, and superior weaponry. Great job MaxAB!

[@Msoja8]

American non-sense.

[@johnm7267]

It is strange all this boasting of American superiority over Russia yet Russia faced and destroyed 14 Panzer divisions of the greatest army ever in the Second World War, whereas America plus Britain and its allies struggled against two Panzer divisions

[@danf4447]

some of the russian weapons and missiles can be fired 30+ degrees off boresight which is a big advantage!

[@bret9741]

Another comment/question??. How will the F-16’s do without AWACS and Electronics warfare platforms. Also the US probably isn’t going to give its newest AMRAAM or the Meteor that have the range needed.

[@pogo1140]

Ukraine uses ground based radars and EW platforms

[@murrydog100]

NATO has Awacs and Rivet Joint assets over Ukraine 24/7 since the start of the invasion. How do you think they know when to sound air alarms when they detect Mig-31 or Russian bombers taking off from inside Russia and Belarus bases or cruise/drone strikes from the Black Sea area?

[@pogo1140]

@murrydog100 us has satellites that look for missiles launches. It's also easy to know when the Kinzhal is coming if you have someone near the 2 bases where the mig-31's are based.

[@bret9741]

@@pogo1140 wow

[@pogo1140]

@bret9741 am I the only one who noticed that the Russians only have 6-8 MiG's that can launch the Kinzhal?? And that there are only 6 bases that can service them and only 2 are close enough to the missile launch points??

[@victory3252]

SU 27 upgraded . Their internal filling is no longer Soviet. And they are being written off. Now, while the fighting is going on, they are still partially flying. They have long been replaced by other fighter models. SU 27s are living out their last flying days. According to official data, by the end of 2020, almost complete decommissioning of Su-27P and Su-27SM aircraft was expected, which were running out of flight life. Naturally, with the beginning of its aircraft continued to serve, which was repeatedly recorded by both our and Western media. According to the official video from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Su-27 in various modifications continues to be operated.

[@johns818]

I effin love this channel

[@viktortulbya2107]

How many f16s is America willing to lose to this

[@suyashsingh6976]

Falcon will have no chance in merge with the flanker especially going for the one circle, the HMS slaved archer will go it away before it can take the flanker into its HUD

[@Nacionarg]

Considering the Cope India excercises from the last 20 years, the F-16 doesn't seem to have all that edge over the "soviet" counterparts. I couldn't find the results of this year's excercise, but taking into account that Indian pilots have quite less real combat experience than Russians and operate very similar platforms, WVR combat may not be that much in favour of F-16, perhaps the contrary. For those who don't know, the first Cope India excercises between the IAF and the USAF saw the Indians handing USAF pilots their asses using MiG-21s, 29s and SU-30s against F-15Cs, although it should be noted that there were a bunch of restrictions not to be found in real combat (similar to the ones stated in this video). Later excercises seem to have yielded more balanced outcomes or more favourable to USAF. It was speculated also that during the first ass whoopings the USAF lost on purpose to justify an increase in budget... seems logical and legit, but also coincidentaly the excercise name is "Cope", so choose the interpretation that better fits your feelings. Anyway, we may never see such scenario as SAMs and BVR missiles will almost certainly be the ruling combat form. P.S.: No, I'm not Indian.

[@murrydog100]

They also gave the IAF 3-1 odds at Cope. And after a day of 1 v 1 training, the Indians didn’t want any part of that exercise…

[@amazin7006]

Why would you look at exercises meant to give pilots training? That is useless information when you don't actually list the conditions of the simulation... Pilots purposely fight these with handicaps for the more advanced aircraft to keep them from winning too easily. For example, even an A-10 has had a kill on an F22, yet it is unreasonable to say an A-10 can dogfight better than F22. There was also another scenario with a Typhoon vs an F35 prototype, where the Typhoon was only able to win a few times... with no ordnance or external tanks, while the f35 had a full package + external fuel tanks + forced into WVR dogfighting + handicapped by being a prototype. The point of an exercise is to give pilots training, it can't be too easy.

[@amazin7006]

Also BVR missiles are almost never used BVR. Out of 600+ a2a kills recorded, only 4 have ever been BVR. In real combat, pilots don't fight BVR. It's too risky, as we've seen with Russia's constant friendly fire.

[@johnrichard1417]

Aren't dog fights between combat aircraft very rare nowadays? I would have predicted that the main weapon against the F16 would be SAMs

[@barryc733]

Or Russian air to ground missiles! Russia just leveled several Ukrainian air bases! Ukraine doesn't have very good air defences, and Russia probably built the bases in the Soviet Era and knows where they are! Russia would just locate them using satellite's and hit them on the ground!

[@amazin7006]

@@barryc733 The war has gone on for 500 days and not a single Ukrainian air base has been hit, why are you lying?

[@michaelraju9566]

SU - 35❤❤❤

[@markmclaughlin2690]

What block are these F16 they are getting?

[@katendejohn2954]

son put your money on your mouth its about to go down

[@nuurulbasarmohdbaki6046]

Bro question How do you switch jets? From F 16 to F15 as if both are the same?. interesting

[@Checkthisontube]

Let's get real. Those F-16 were produced 50 years ago and modernized 20-30 years ago. At that age you got to hope the chassis doesn't crack and a wing comes off.

[@surajsharma3342]

Yes, piece of cake for F 16. In a couple of days they will be flying over Moscow, just like Leopard tanks and Bradly combat vehicles are circling the Russian capital right now. Good job

[@samicolgecen5310]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Bastikovski99]

lol. Delusional

[@surajsharma3342]

@@Bastikovski99 F16 was shot down by an IAF Mig 21 Bis, but he wont even accept it.

[@karanparmar7345]

One thing you didn’t mentioned about F16 … no doubt about an f16 but the main thing is which block the getting are those newly modified in block 70s

[@richardhoffmann179]

They are getting the Mid Life Update ones. They are equivalent to Block 50+

[@TheEmmef]

How big is the chance there will be dogfights versus integrated air defence shooting the F-16 down?

[@pogo1140]

depends on how deep into russian held territory. 30 miles west of the battle line zero threat from the GBAD, but then the SU's will have to be launching inside the Ukrainian GBAD envelope to be a threat.

[@TheEmmef]

@@pogo1140 But according to the internal Pentagon papers leaked, Ukraine barely has *integrated* air defence left and concentrates that on important areas, not anywhere near the front. That leaves mobile air defences (I do not know if that is considered "integrated"). I also do not know the exact meaning of GBAD.

[@pogo1140]

@@TheEmmef And yet less than a month ago Russia managed to lose 2 jets and 2 helicopter in less than 5 minutes while they were over Russian controlled airspace

[@TheEmmef]

@@pogo1140 Accidents happen on all sides. It is war, so all sides both lie and present selective information, so in the West you will be likely to hear more about Russian accidents, failures, and despair and in Russia the other way around. That is why you have to compare all propaganda and deduce the middle ground. Mobile air defence is not per se useless and it is perfectly possible to shoot something down if you happen to have the right conditions. I am just trying to establish information based on what I already heard. I am not trying to prove anything, but I also do not want to fall for wishful thinking, especially if it costs many lives.

[@ShadeAKAhayate]

@@pogo1140 You mean Russian-controlled airspace is under Ukrainian SAM coverage? Or perhaps that was an isolated incident of successful raid?

[@Aizazell]

What was your TTP SOP in the E, the strike eagle if you were delivering a payload, and were jumped by adversaries... Before delivery and After delivery????

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

The SU-27 at merge speed will out turn the F-16 within the first 2 turns, it can do a full 360 in 12 seconds, thats a 28 degree per second sustained turn

[@brellosjanos1022]

In Ukraine the F16, if delivered, will be destroyed shortly. Not because the SU has two engines and is faster and more manoeuvrable, but because they will guide, fuel, arm and land safely from home. And because the SU pilots are experienced topguns on their machines. THE GOAL MUST BE PEACE AND NOT THE STUPIDITY TO SENDING F16.

[@slavetool9066]

The F-15 vs SU-27 dog fight test actually happened in the 90s after the Soviet Union fell. The SU-27 won every engagement, earning praise from the American pilots.

[@essaidchibane6612]

F15 sustained turn rate is 14-15, SU27 sustained turn rate is 18-19 without TVC. SU 27 is the winner here.

[@Mikeb8134]

The mustache is legitimate

[@BerniesAguanta]

Who's here waiting for this man's jet bet? He said he will say it ate the end of his video.

[@mystic48209]

It's not the machine. But the Man flying it. In Vietnam Russia and China trained the nvaaf. Vietnam had small nimble fast machines. And they flew till otherwise. That is why they had many aces. That is what caused the creation of TOP GUN. TOP GUN turned the tide but a little too late but laid the groundwork for producing awesome aviators second to none... Except Israel.

[@markymarknj]

Don't forget that our restrictive rules of engagement tied the hands of our pilots though. They weren't allowed to fire until positively identifying the aircraft first. This nullified and eliminated any advantages our pilots and aircraft may have had in a BVR fight, because they could no longer do a BVR fight.

[@pogo1140]

Yes, and the Russian trained MiG drivers died like flies while the Chinese trained pilots actually stood a chance. The pathetic performance of Russian jet pilots was the reason the Soviets actually created their own version of Top Gun

[@mystic48209]

@@pogo1140 I am merely going according to records. If yiu googke it up you will see that. By the way, the Iranians milked the F14s. They produced aces with them when they fought the Iraqis and others. .

[@pogo1140]

@mystic48209 I know about the record. It's missing some details like the Russians did not dogfight in the MiG-19 and 21 so they never taught their students. The Chinese however, flew MiG-17's and 19's and they did dogfight and they taught their students how. So in Vietnam, the -21's would use hit and run attacks and the MiG-17's and -19's would merge and mix it up with the Americans.

[@mystic48209]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vietnam_War_flying_aces

[@blackgruya011]

Another thing about missiles, those you mentioned are ancient history, theres totally new setup of Russian missiles in use now. R-73 is still the best short range missile, not to talk about R-77 and other active missiles. F 16s are doomed to die if they show in ukraine

[@gusjeazer]

Would you think fighter on fighter clashes will be kind of like what we have seen with tank on tank combat: almost never happens?

[@prac2]

As you said, it comes down to pilot ability. Will they use American pilots?

[@Mrblueridgeman]

My guess is Ukraine will primarily use the F16 for ground attack. That’s what they really need.

[@weidles]

Loved the video

[@raoulberret3024]

The F-16 natural opponent here is the Mig-29, but the latter has not kept up with the times. Compare the comparables... However I understand, we are dealing with what we have.

[@SonB288]

The funniest thing about the history of the Flanker series? It was developed at great cost to counter the F-15, but the F-15 was the result of Russians making completely unfounded boasts (sounds familiar...) about the performance and capability of their new MiG-25. The American defense establishment freaked out, and the Johnson administration basically threw money at McDonnell Douglas to make the problem of this super advanced, super maneuverable, super fast Soviet fighter go away. So the US actually built a fighter to beat what the Soviets SAID their fighter could do, then the Soviets were forced to match that, which added a big chunk of change to their unsustainable 1980s defense budget, ultimately contributing to the collapse of the USSR.

[@johnm7267]

The predictable comment from the American about how superior they are and how inferior the Russians are. I would like to point out that it is Americans that are known worldwide for boasting. Russia defeated the greatest army in history during the Second World War, whereas America plus the 32 nations of NATO couldn’t beat the poorly armed peasant army of the Taliban or the Vietcong peasants in Vietnam.

[@patrickellinwood18]

Enjoyed this thanks. But “Soviet radar”? The Russians have not updated or redesigned their radar in 30 years?

[@TheTryzna]

UA pilots claim in every interview how they are beign launched upon(and shoot down) from beyond 120km ranges while flying on the deck, while adversaries are cruising at 40K.... (that tells all about ru radars) seriously, this video was full of crap. F16s wont change anything at all, unles they ll be given aims 120D, that could be real gamechanger, other than that, they burn just like Bradleys and Leopards.

[@voidtempering8700]

He is talking about the Su-27. Russias main jets are the Su-35 and Su-30SM, which have far better radars. But they lack many of the advanced systems that the F-16MLU has.

[@AmandaUK-n5v]

I don't trust everything you say....sorry

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

The Russians have so far declined to use their front line fighters over Ukraine. It is doubtful the Vipers will meet their Flankers, but if they do, it'll be a good fight.

[@gabedaxe477]

I like how Batman fix the G force on his plane 😅 back to the video..

[@MrMan5014]

If the F16 gets into a rate fight with a SU27 and the f16 pilot knows what he’s doing, then he wins!..the F16 was born and bred to fight two circle!

[@steve390gold]

The f16 dies the MOMENT it tries to enter a 2 circle fight. Period hard stop. Not even a contest. HOBs Fox2s have eliminated 2 circle fights forever.

[@steve390gold]

​@BlackFlag714not even a good internet pilot....lol

[@steve390gold]

@BlackFlag714 really that question is totally irrelevant if you understand the basic mechanics of a merge and the aircraft in question. There are things that can't be discussed as well. Either way since you ask the same question over and over hoping for a counter question, I'll oblige you; are you a fighter pilot?

[@dennisarzubiaga2833]

Can you explain why the F-16 is a good multi-role fighter and does it have the latest Aesa radar? Is it as fast as the F-15’s and Dan they be used like the A-10 to attack tanks and SAMs? Your input is highly welcome looking forward to the show. One more thing how will it do against other jet aircraft with missiles?

[@milenko8bradanov]

F-16 MLU that UA pilots would use, will not have AESA radar. F-16 MLU are still good multi-role fighters, because they can carry various type of ordnance, from air-to-air Fox3 Aim-120 AMRAAM to Laser-guided GBUs (which was not possible for UA's Su-27 or MiG-29). Clean F-15C will be faster than clean F-16 MLU, but the global performance will hugely vary according to the loadout. If you are talking about how good the F-16 is as a multi-role fighter, you cannot compare it to the A-10. UA will most likely use their F-16 MLU as hit-and-run fighter-bombers, whereas A-10 can only be used when airspace has been secured already. Regarding anti-SAM missions (SEAD/DEAD), F-16 MLU are not able to complete these missions in their default setting (though some of them might, with some modifications). How good the F-16 MLU will do against other aircraft is up to the training and the tactics.

[@dennisarzubiaga2833]

@@milenko8bradanov Thankyou very much for the explanation and appreciate your time and effort and service. It’s awesome the lingo and the efforts of great fighter pilots like yourself.

[@bryanbernart439]

I fear that they'll get swatted early on. The learning curve when fighting a new aircraft-to them-is steep AF.

[@amazin7006]

@@dennisarzubiaga2833 Paper stats don't matter much, what matters is weapons loadout and deployment strategy. This is why modern fighters are so deadly, they have access to so much more information at once constantly communicated and updated in real time to be able to strike with precision, It's like a boxer with the strongest punch vs a boxer with the best technique. The power of a punch doesn't matter if it can't land.

[@dennisarzubiaga2833]

@@amazin7006 Thankyou for explaining it to me now I know

[@johnm7267]

These jets won’t fight each other, the days of the dogfight are over.

[@chrismanning1171]

I go into G-Lock just sitting at my desk at work. Man I need to get my fat ass back into the gym.

[@timhenderson6035]

There’s not much dogfighting anymore, normally now days they fire their missiles from a distance. You have to get up to date with your analogy. Russian equipment is like 20 years head of ours

[@RichardJOberle]

Great explanation. Appreciated.

[@stevee231]

I always thought of the Su-27 as the answer to the F-15 and the MiG-29 being the answer to the F-16. I guess the 27 maybe for the F-14 too.

[@charleslloyd7762]

Awesome explanation. Pilots are knights in the sky. My great uncle Grant flew a P-38 in WW II. He shot down a nazi train. Our forefathers chose the eagle as an emblem for our country. How poignant prescient

[@wonkothesane7000]

Then somebody else shot it up again. 😏

[@yfelwulf]

Since this Dope doesn't like facts America tested Ukranian Su27's against everything it had. The Su27 completed all kills regardless of start position in under 2 minutes. The Su35 humiliated the F22 in Syria when the Su57 arrived the US withdrew it from flying activities. It was later removed permanently because sand ate every part of the aircraft. FYI the Top Gun School calls the B35 Kamakhazi "The LITTLE TURD." The biggest failure in avation history with over 1000 faults barely airworthy it never gets past 54% line ready, 20 years past its delivery date with Australia and the UK cancelling orders. Supposed to be out of service in 2040 that's now 2070. 35 man hours of service for every hour of flight so expensive to fly US pilots can't get enough hours up. The Su35 in Ukraine recorded a 300 km or 190 mile air to air kill. Russia has demonstrated in Syria Ukraine and the Black Sea it can shut down every Electronic device America makes. THAD, AEGIS even GPS at will. Remember the USA Donald Cook where a jet flew by the Captain and crew were filmed running up on deck (cutlass in hand 😂) to send why they were totally blind it was a comical sight they later added voice over to. It was OFFICIALLY reported 5he entire crew tried to resign out of sheer terror they thought they were going to die. After counselling they returned to duty this was reported by the crew not fake news. America has no chance against Russiaeven the Ukranians say US made is poor quality no match for Russian made equipment. I won't go into detail literally everything sent has failed Javelin a 50 % failure to fire or detonate. Made in AMurica God help you if you ever piss Russia off.

[@Haroun-El-Poussah]

Well, the P-38 was mainly used to shoot down Betty-bombers over the PTO , they never shined in A2A against the Zero , and even less on the ETO against the Me.109, Fw.190 not speaking about the Me.262. On the ETO, they were rapidly cantoned to recon and ground attack while leaving the air superiority job to the P-51. Thus, many thanks to your great uncle for his help at making the world a better place

[@unfurling3129]

How many innocents were on the train? Knights in the sky fight other knights in the sky, not trains. And the Third Reich also had an Eagle as it's totem animal..

[@Haroun-El-Poussah]

@@unfurling3129 There never were knights in the sky, the air-to air job has always been to clear the airspace for bombers! There might have been some chivalry during WW1 but dudes like the Red Baron were all killed... Since multi-role aircraft, all carry bombs and air-to-air missiles and everybody does air-strikes

[@aestradarespeto]

The fact is that Su-27 is a fighter from a dogfight era that has evolved to a frontline air superiority fighter bomber. Instead F-16 has evolved from a low cost dogfight fighter bomber to a long range BVD missile launcher fighter, keeping in a second line the dogfight capability and usin long range guided ammunitions to hit earth targets. Su-27 has no capability of integration with CCC or datalink with russian AWACS, instead F-16 has been moved to a full integrated system with early warning systems and earth surveillance radars. That is the main difference between those weapons, Su-27 is a blind that can hit hard when see somthing near, but F-16 can hit hard an farther that him.

[@voidtempering8700]

The F-16 is more likely to come against Su-35s and Su-30SMs, which do have datalink capabilities, and far stronger radars at that.

[@r107560sl]

How many Gs is the Su-27 capable of?

[@RCLepcha]

9

[@BhekimpiloSmanga]

😂😂😂it's not the same as gulf war this ...... f16??? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bertg.6056]

Great advice, Neo ! Super good presentation, thanks.