Maximum Motorsports Rear Control Arm Installation

[@jasonyoung6420]

This episode hit close to home for me - Hammers are the most important tool in my garage, regardless of what work I'm doing

[@caddyguy5369]

Jason Young They solve 100 percent of computer issues as well.

[@vt2704]

I gotta tell you Eric, at of all the car building channel's I watch,subscribed to yours is the best just on a stand alone fact you cracked me up and it's always a fun day when your working all day,week,month with a guy as rare as you with your humor and a very talented way to simplify what the goal is at hand. You my good sir are a VERY RARE BREED of mechanics,techs, and now as a car builder,ect. Guy's like you kept me from quitting at a shop/company because it is always a blast to learn and work with once again fellas like yourselves. NOTE TO ANYBODY WHO HAS A GUY LIKE ERIC AT THE SHOP YOU WORK AT WITH THE NATURAL GIFT OF MAKING WORK FUNNY AND A BLAST ARE TRULY LUCKY. You fellas know what I mean because the days fly buy with outstanding gents like Eric.

[@ericthecarguy]

Thank you very much for that comment. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

love arriving at the office on Monday morning to a new ETGC video... The constant evolution of the build is fascinating yet frustrating, though part of me never wants the Fairmont video series to ever end...

[@VeiRoNv2]

"I've no clue how to solve this problem" *applies brute force*

[@biz0r07]

Thanks for this series of vids on the fairmont...I have a 90LX I am about to begin tearing into and these videos are super valuable...thanks and keep it up!

[@logmegadeth72]

I really like the forethought Maximum Motorsports gave while designing the control arm to add a grease fitting for the perch threads.

[@chriskorbut9568]

I bought the same lower control arms for my fox body and wanted to see what the install entailed. Great instructional video as always!!

[@MrGarycharters]

Man been watching since the start of this build, good things take time ay!

[@ZekeTheAwesome]

Hey Eric, another awesome video as usual! Just so you know, when using poly bushing it is unnecessary to torque the control arm bolts with the car on the ground. Pre-load on poly bushings doesn't accelerate their wear like it does with rubber bushings.

[@DOVADED]

i used to not be entirely fond of the yellow creme color many moons ago when you started this project, but damnit, it's really grown on me.

[@MichaelGedies]

I've been waiting all week for a new video :)

[@vetterfellow]

Erick and steady hand Brian, did a fine job. It was amusing my thoughts when you were shaking Peak-a-chu to put music to that clanking noise. You guys rock. Stay Dirty !!.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

16:05 - few things more satisfying than the click of a torque wrench...

[@gt98pilot85]

this just convinced me to get adjustable vs non adjustable, Thanks Eric.....

[@DataStorm1]

@3:30 brought back a lot of fond memories...

[@MrTimdtoolman1]

Those are some good looking components you installed. Having the adjustment is very helpful

[@waynepeters2850]

i enjoy all of your shows you seem like a stand-up guy

[@tvh8810]

Come along or ratchet strap to pull axle forward. Would've saved some time and frustration maybe?

[@dave1135]

TVH used that on my daughter's bf's Chevy 4x4 when the spring center pin broke on one side and the axle slid back about eight inches on the spring. we couldn't push the axle back into position to get it back in the axle pad after replacing the center spring bolt (we were forced to do this in a grocery store parking lot plus fighting a cheap 8inch lift block) used a come along, got new u bolts in and job done. :)

[@wobblysauce]

+

[@xplorearizona154]

dave1135 so you work on your daughters bf shit too.

[@xplorearizona154]

dave1135 so you work on your daughters bf shit too.

[@tvh8810]

Michael Potts hopefully the bf was at least involved in the fix.

[@Mogs01gt]

Im glad Im not the only one who finds control arms to be a PITA!

[@trebor229]

Man i love this project! I just love how detailed these video's are, keep it up my man! Even though you're doing it al wrong Eric, i love it ;)

[@richardquinones2959]

Eric the Fairmont is looking sweet😄👍

[@SuperDave21]

Hey Eric, great parts, great video.... I think it would be to your benefit to put a cap or plug over those coil spring adjusters so debris doesn't plug up the hole or damage anything... maybe I'm a fanatic, but sounds like good advice to me ! lol.... I'm so anxious to see Oliver run and take a corner!

[@Germs505]

"It's nice to know I have that option, just in case I wanna get freaky with it." lol I said that same thing when I found out about internet porn

[@elsadatjakupi2832]

I think you may have made a mistake. The front polly bushings are designed to spin within the tube, hence the lube but the rear bushings look to be captive bushings. If they are captive bushings they do not spin in the tube and act as part of the suspension therefore are only supposed to be torqued at ride height so as not to preload the bushing which is what would happen if they were torqued while on the lift and then dropped onto the ground. The preload may cause premature failure of the bushings. Just FYI

[@jhnvallejo]

when eric is a rockin don't come a knocking

[@adamschultz1515]

Great video Eric and Brian keep up the good work btw Brian awesome stache

[@zx8401ztv]

I really like the ability to adjust the compression of the springs and possibly change the firmness of the ride, more/less compressed springs must have a different response. I know that some springs arnt too linear. The best part was the dancing :-D.

[@ericthecarguy]

The compression of the spring won't change, just it's relative position. This will effect ride height and nothing else. Yes, the dancing was fun.

[@Loebane]

4:10 Eric confirmed for the Ginyu force.

[@j1mmyZeta]

Torquing on the ground doesn't matter for a polyurethane bush. A metalastic bush with rubber bonded to the metal will be in torsion as the control arm pivots and therefore needs to be torqued in the resting position, but a poly bush just rotates.

[@ddd228]

That's TOO weird,Eric! Torque the suspension AFTER the suspension has settled. I'm also curious as to the spring RATE of the rear coils. I'm guessing around 400 #,each. The pan hard bar is NOT rubber mounted/bushed? HEIM? It will be a noisy ride. Sorry. Street race car. Solid,but not a very pleasant daily driver. Been there. Your choice. Dave in Seattle.

[@vic2095]

Eric, diid you forget to wobble it after the swap? Also - did you consider using scales to weigh your Oliver when adjusting springs?

[@trucavalier]

awesome install going to look into this for my mustang

[@ericthecarguy]

I highly recommend it. Links in the description.

[@caddyguy5369]

I love the click of a torque wrench.

[@joegrent2829]

when go to align it, make sure you add weights to the drivers side equal to your weight. this way you will track straight at the strip. Guess you know this already.

[@joselozano0528]

Wait did Eric just use a torque rench?

[@ajl6877]

@ericthecarguy when you're adjusting the ride height and you put your arm behind your head XD

[@xplorearizona154]

Is there any way to lock those coil spring things down? Seems like to me that they might turn down over time due to vibration.

[@ProjectFairmont]

Those upper CA removed I think would have allowed the axle to position for easier lower CA alignment.

[@warnerconcepcion9929]

#FAIRMONTFRIDAY!

[@LajosNy]

Eric are you sure your foor is 100% levelin each direction?

[@ericthecarguy]

Pretty sure.

[@JHoese37]

Is there a reason why we didn't see you bounce the car between final ride height adjustments? That should be done so the suspension can return to its natural setting.

[@ericthecarguy]

I haven't done any final adjustments yet. I still need to do the front suspension.

[@Jsbs1991f]

eric the dancing guy. So when are you going to start giving lessons?

[@ericthecarguy]

Perhaps I should start another channel?

[@svt283]

Next time working on the driver side raise the passenger side rear end on one side will make life easier and Prybar.. didn’t this easy on the floor lol

[@billysandals]

Did MM recommend to remove the upper control arms?

[@VolksTrieb]

Well +EricTheCarGuy Torquing or tightening such parts on the ground is just because the sleeves in the rubberbushings are molded in. When you tighten them in air and put your car down, its allways twistet by the cars weight and they fail. In your case youve inserted the sleeves lose in the rubber. So they can turn, so it shoulnt be a problem. But Id rather with the car on the ground so the sleeve sets on the screw and cant move down when driving and ruin your track ;D

[@ericthecarguy]

Awesome, thanks for your input.

[@TheBeerBox80]

Is there a way to lock those spring perches?

[@OverlandTT]

Eric, what happened to your Grand Cherokee project you got! I don't recall seeing anything much happen with it.

[@ericthecarguy]

I sold that almost a year ago now, just before I got the Integra.

[@dominikl3865]

Hi Eric, I am pretty sure that you shouldn't torque the control arms while there is no load on the bushings. Reason for that is, that you already twist the bushings just by letting the car down to the ground, which might wear the a lot faster.. should be the same thing as for front control arms. Please let me know if I'm wrong with that. And btw as always. Great video!

[@ericthecarguy]

The sleeves are floating inside the bushings. It's not an issue with that type of busing. If it was molded to the bushing then I would torque them on the ground.

[@dominikl3865]

Oh ok.. I get it. :)

[@aserta]

Is that a patch of rust under the paint? I was under the impression that outside of some dings the body was ok. Bummer if it is.

[@ericthecarguy]

It's not too bad. Won't effect how the car drives at all.

[@orvalstuckemeyer127]

Should have disconnected the front of the torque arm and used that as leverage to move the axle into place to get that lower control arm bolt in.

[@R.E.HILL_]

I miss that the episodes are not numbered. What is the title of the very first episode of this project?

[@ericthecarguy]

Link in the description to the playlist of all the videos in order.

[@R.E.HILL_]

EricTheCarGuy thank you.. ☺

[@pinfarmer]

I still think it would look more like a sleeper with some classic steelies instead of the cop rims. Will you be rolling the fender lip?

[@ericthecarguy]

Yes as you'll see in future episodes. I had to to make the tires fit in the front. I also came up with some trick mounts to move the fenders as well. Check out my social media for details. Thanks for the comment.

[@pinfarmer]

Can't wait to see. I've got to do that to my s10 but I'm paranoid that it's going to cause a channel that will fill with dirt and cause it to rust out. Maybe pack it the area with grease?

[@jimprimmer1833]

you're supposed to measure from the rear fender to the floor to get a correct measurement . love your videos man keep them coming

[@ericthecarguy]

I'll set everything up properly during final assembly. Thanks for the comment.

[@patw52pb1]

Depends on what the objective is. If the relationship between the axle center and body is to be maintained (spring height), such as when changing springs or suspension components, what Eric did was the preferred method and has minimal error variables. If the relationship between the ground and the body is to be maintained (stance) then measuring from the ground to the body is the preferred method, however there are many error variables in play with this method such as tire pressures, resting load tire height, axle center to ground etc.

[@davidgriffin7183]

What tires are you using on the fairmont?

[@Thatdudebigttv]

gave this video a like as soon as I saw the majestic mating dance of the eric hahahahahahahaha

[@oddy297]

Yes!

[@guerro327]

Those latex gloves are killing me. Please let me send you a case of nitrile gloves.

[@ericthecarguy]

I really don't like nitrile gloves, but thanks.

[@seanwall24]

Eric, What would keep those ride height adjustments from working their way in or out over an extended period of time, simply from vibration I would think they would move. I would think there would be some sort of lock nut (not that there is any room for that.) just wanted your opinion FWIW

[@ericthecarguy]

MM assures me that none is necessary. I trust them.

[@crimes569]

another point you should include Eric is alot of this your doing isn't just foxbody it's for sn95 mustangs to

[@jamesdrake471]

You didn't do the sway test to show that the new parts actually did what you set out to do.

[@n20cpri]

Actually when on the ground it's easier to just get a buddy to push the entire rear end so the bolt lines up. Been there done that. lol

[@AdrianKingsleyHughes]

Nice vid, Eric! Soon all that will be left to do is replace the shell! ;)

[@yerboogieman]

Well, you gotta see how it looks all the way down when you have that as an option.

[@shelbybeathard5600]

love this guy

[@Hunting4MadV]

great video

[@sham_67_vr863]

I was hoping you were going to leave them spun all the way down hahaha

[@rc300xs]

So that's what that clunking noise was, remember hearing that a few times back in the day.

[@ericthecarguy]

Yea, I've found that the upper control arm mount bolts where different sizes. One had a lot of slop and indications that it was moving around.

[@MegaBlackwhiteguy]

How come you didn't put an irs in it?

[@ericthecarguy]

Expense and weight.

[@dandel351]

Gees , I was sure that lower control arm bolt you were hammering on was gunna have a destroyed thread.( Choudered right to fuck as AvE would say). Just a little hint if you have bolt location problems again , put your E-brake on to lock your wheels then wind on your wheel nuts , then use a long bar between the wheel studs to push the axle backwards and forwards. That might save you needing to hammer on the bolts. I'm interested to see how you like the torque arm set up. The rear section of your exhaust will have some interesting bends to get around all the new gear back there.

[@ericthecarguy]

Great idea, thanks for the tip. Next week is the torque arm video. I'm not worried about the exhaust. There's plenty of room. I'm also only running a single exhaust anyway so I only have to worry about one side.

[@dandel351]

Cool, thanks for the reply. I had a similar issue changing a rear axle in a Ford Falcon . The Falcon had a 4 trailing arm suspension with a Z shaped watts link on the back of it. So it had lots of linkages to line up. I installed it with the springs out like you did and just muscled it around with a floor jack and steel bars. Also lube the inner sides of any link points and that sometimes helps you ease past any mis-alignment hang ups. P.s I'm sure the "Jack stand dace" is gunna be the next big thing on youtube...

[@dandel351]

Jack stand dance I meant to write there.. ;-)

[@TheRealMrCods]

Woohoo ETCG video

[@reins33]

life would be so much easier for you if you would taken lower shock loose you can install springs on a fox body takes about 20 min and its safer

[@joelcr250]

*Errrriiiiiiic, we want some repair vids :)*

[@ericthecarguy]

I just posted one last week, did you not see it in your feed?

[@joelcr250]

Oh right, I didn't see it in my feed, weird. Thanks for replying. P.S. Eeeeeric, your doing it right !

[@NebukedNezzer]

a lot of the side to side is the tires.

[@Pgcmoore]

need more cowbell, errr eh Fairmont! :-p

[@highfructosefun7503]

It looked so good when it was bottomed out lol

[@ericthecarguy]

I know right?

[@dirtyitalian]

This reminds me of installing the new lower control arms in my 02 grand marquis without a spring compressor. That was interesting. Lot's of cussing prying and banging lol. Something else funny, the two bolts that hold the idler arm on my grand marquis have a 15mm bolt inside the opening on the frame, with an 18mm nut on the back side.

[@NebukedNezzer]

stout suspension parts are good but the body of the car was never intended to take the forces it will be called on to tolerate. Hopefully nothing on the car will fail.

[@ericthecarguy]

That's why I installed frame connectors and will also install a roll cage.

[@BANACANADIAN]

hey eric nice pose doing the height adjustment just like model lol jk on 23:23

[@MorbidThrasher666]

You keep dropping deez nutz bro,lol

[@MechanicalMikesRoadsideRepair]

Eric....I think to make up the money lost for some viewers not watching or enjoying the fairmont series as much as repair videos....you need to race to make some money hahaha jk

[@R.E.HILL_]

This is coming along nicely. Thx for sharing. Btw have you ever watched project binky? Just search youtube. There you can see one hell of a fabricator. ☺

[@MrGarycharters]

The scheduled one video every 3 months haha! 😂

[@ericthecarguy]

Yea, those guys are great.

[@leedress2187]

you should have shaken the car laterally like you did in the beginning to show the difference. just sayin...

[@ericthecarguy]

I'm not done with the rear suspension yet. ;)

[@moneymac2864]

How many parts were paid for with the Go-fund-me account lmfao....

[@rustybrowneye]

i fuckin hate king of the hill

[@daniemurphy7681]

People don't like fairmonts! Why don't you understand that!

[@daveogarf]

16:25 - "I've just been dropping my nuts today". Hmmmm, could be a sign of something serious. Better see a doctor, quick. (Sorry - couldn't resist)

[@ronniehopper2726]

after watching these videos . i would be willing to wager that this car will break on its maiden run.. oh. and when he was checking ride height .. i thought the common practice was to use a plumb bob from the wheel lip to the floor ,with the suspension loaded.. btw eric.. most builders will sub in a like amount of weight when doing this.. ie, you know what the driver weighs .. add that ..... smh. this car is a receipe for disaster

[@thenewnormal8853]

Ronnie Hopper I have been quite disappointed in some of the work done on this car....

[@OGskunkMASTA]

maximum Motorsport is junk! Should of went Team Z or Racecraft.

[@GilZu]

Unsub and unlike.

[@rradioactiv]

I like how you put your hand behind your head while adjusting the spring perches lol

[@ericthecarguy]

I was striking a pose.

[@bmos02]

Nice video. No demonstration of how much less side-to-side motion it results in, though?

[@ericthecarguy]

I'm not done with the rear suspension videos yet.

[@OnlineAutoRepairVideos]

Hey Eric, can you tell me the name & part number of the microphone you are using? That is really crystal clear, and I've always wanted to go wireless, thanks! Another question: Will the universal joints and driveshaft hold up to that much torque?

[@ericthecarguy]

Sennheiser

[@30kendel]

Eric that is a awesome looking torque wrench! Is that snap-on?

[@ericthecarguy]

Yes.

[@Adam2050]

Pokemon sponsored this episode.

[@OficinaMasterdey]

>>>>>>>muito bom seu vídeo mesmo que nos não falamos a mesmo linguá mas eu vejo os detalhes , mas na mecânica a linguá e universal

[@johncox1983]

alright! so ready for more Fairmont vids! thanks eric!

[@echosan9]

Brings back the memories of doing something on my 92 Falcon's rear suspension every other week

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

Concerned- there's no *jam nut* on those spring adjusters. What say you, Car Guy?

[@xplorearizona154]

HUBBABUBBA DOOPYDOOP I noticed that too.

[@mrdjsubz]

Maximum Motorsports makes them. They are to be trusted. Guessing the snug fit of the threads and spring force will keep them from rotating.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

WOW. Spokesperson? Employee? No company is above reproach with a product.

[@aserta]

There's no such thing as a thread that won't back out without being somehow aided either by another locking screw on the side (The more damaging method) or a jam nut (the more expensive method). Especially in this case where the suspension makes constant motions on the thread. And a tight fit to the point where you can't turn it = threads that will eventually be destroyed, the best threads being those that have enough space to glide on their mating surface (inside thread) but not enough to give it slop. Applications exist for both extremes, but in this case, we're talking moving load, constantly changing with the quality of the road. So either a defective thinking or a defective product. Oddly enough a simple solution that wouldn't require the machining of a jam nut (which can be pricey + the receiver end) would be to just have a locking mechanism on the floating spring holder. Once you're done adjusting your position, you lock the thread with that holder and then the spring will hold it in place.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

But...but- they're made by *engineers at Maximum Motorsports !!!*

[@jth1987leb]

What are you going to do to protect the threads of the perch from correction?

[@schwiftyoliver77]

love those purple springs. great video quality all around eric!