May 2017 Q&A

[@moosemaimer]

One of the best comparisons I've heard is: Americans think 100 years is a long time, Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance.

[@AntonyThorburn]

not me pal

[@AntonyThorburn]

not me pal

[@michalbarsfajny4268]

Friends went to far east parts of Russia on motorbikes. In some village, local told them: "I just saw another group of bikers, right around corner, yours friends"? In his mind "just" meant three days ago and "around corner" meant more than 200km. Different world

[@reedpond6867]

In an old general store, many many years ago; I found a partial packing tube of pistol caps. Date of the labels was 1889. The price was 2 cents per 100.

[@tedbirthchild2986]

I love rewatching old Q&A and seeing what ammo prices were 4 years ago. The good old days.

[@GerackSerack]

Wow, the US surely has beautiful landscapes

[@Badatname]

It really is a beautiful country

[@bastioncash]

GerackSerack just wait till sunset but if you do then build a house on the spot and live there forever

[@NPS69]

If you haven't already, come visit and see it yourself. Being here in person is really just incredible. If you can, visit the BLM land around Caliente, Nevada. It's a gorgeous landscape with wild horses roaming and the night sky is amazing.

[@nettles89]

I recommend the Black Hills area of South Dakota. Beautiful scenery, grassy plains, forested hills and mountains (ok, bigger hills, but in the mid-western US they pass for mountains), and then there's the Badlands, all in a pretty small area. Plus, there are towns like Deadwood, where you can, among other things, eat in the saloon where Wild Bill Hickok, mentioned in the video, was killed. There's a lot of boring landscape here too, but if you know where to look, it's absolutely breathtaking.

[@brendanh8978]

The western US really is an astonishingly vast place. Lots of beautiful country, and huge distances between people compared to the "old world." My sister hosted some German pen pals years ago out in California. They grew up in the former East Germany. My step dad took them on a road trip around California and Nevada, and they were impressed by the sheer scale if things, and how empty it all was.

[@Paul-ie1xp]

I don't have a huge interest in firearms, but I appreciate listening to two people that are able to tell stories in such an entertaining and informative way.

[@jameskachman3692]

To be entirely honest, as long as the audio quality is decent, I wouldn't mind if ya'll did q&a videos while driving on your road trips. Cover the best questions on a beautiful backdrop like this, then do a part 2 where you answer the rest of the questions on the road.

[@InrangeTv]

I prefer concentrating on driving rather than talking to a camera while trying to get home, to be honest. ~Karl

[@jameskachman3692]

Heh, touche, I was thinking the two of you drive together and the copilot could handle the filming, and the driver spits in minor commentary when they can.

[@hobosrev]

I don't own a firearm, I've never fired a firearm, but I can't stop watching this channel and forgotten weapons. Great video guys.

[@DeviantOllam]

Hah, thanks for entertaining a couple of my questions. I know I wrote too many this time. ;-) Great video, and as always great information. Cheers.

[@johnyricco1220]

Wearing a bandolier is kind of like wearing an AK chest rig in town.

[@RussellRadio]

It's really cool that you guys do so much research to answer viewer questions. Love your videos, keep up the spectacular work!

[@toolthoughts]

I really enjoyed the theme, and the gorgeous view! Thank you for the continuing work guys

[@jameshealy4594]

"Almost everyone in that town is going to look at you and be like 'That guy's a shithead'" 😄

[@52Ford]

I was going to make a comment like that. LOL

[@wsg4847]

I wonder if "shithead" was even a 19th Century expression, though if not, it probably would have been understood.

[@granthoward3296]

This episode was AWESOME!

[@InrangeTv]

+Grant Howard Cool, thanks! ~Karl

[@McTheWarhammer]

I was on that bridge a few weeks ago. Beautiful scenery in Arizona, definitely one of my favourite places I've visited.

[@sharkinahat]

I always enjoy these q&a, but I think this one is the best so far. Good job guys.

[@TheMCD1989]

This was wicked interesting, the Q&As are honestly my favorite part of the channel and this one was awesome. I read a lot of history but have never made the connection between more suppressive gun laws back in the late 1800s/early 1900s and the popularity of pocket pistols. I guess this has something to do with common perception of the old west being armed to the teeth, open carry public. Might sound dumb, but that was a mind blown thing for me.

[@JerryEricsson]

Talking about soap and water for cleaning old firearms, when I was in Advanced Individual Training we had to go through "Ready Vietnam" training (the last week of AIT we were ALL on orders for Vietnam it was 1970) So we were first to the range to qualify with our M-16's once again, then night fire with the 16, then through the live fire and move training, followed by a 3 day bivouac in the woods of Fort Leonard Wood Mo. The nights were in a small compound with a perimeter much like we would find once we arrived in country with aggressors playing VC and NVA with SKS rifles and AK-47's. When we were done with the training, we marched back to the Fort and tore down our M-16's, they had hot garbage cans with immersion heaters keeping them boiling, our rifles were field stripped and dipped in the boiling water, the bold carrier was hooked on a coat hanger and dipped, then we did a full cleaning of the weapons. I never saw boiling rifles again in my career that saw me 8 years in the Army and 24 on the PD.

[@soylentgreen7074]

Living in NJ gives you such a congested crowded feeling I'd love to move out west or at least visit to see what's left of old America. Better America.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

I really like Ian's sunglasses.

[@planeflyer21]

A missed opportunity for the first episode of Karl's Colorado Cannonball off the bridge!

[@DonHaussettler]

planeflyer21 "I'm from the internet, and I'm here to help!" *woosh*

[@andyrihn1]

I've got a Remington 1875 that was my great grandfather's (he probably got it from his dad or grandfather) where the hammer spring broke at some point and someone replaced it with a file. I don't think I'll ever shoot the thing but the lockup, trigger, and hammer drop are all really good

[@InrangeTv]

Yep. Simple guns can be made to run again with simple fixes. :) ~Karl

[@nindger4270]

7:22 I didn't even notice when I watched this the first time around: the German part of the sign is grammatically correct, the English part isn't.

[@74groundhog]

My favorite Q&A so far, well done guys!

[@scipio10000]

On the 1st question, one may add that modern production efficiency is such that you would expect to pay less per round - e.g. less rejects, greater volume, smaller labor costs because of greater automation, less expensive transportation costs in relative terms.

[@AgamemnonTWC]

I have a question on early 20th century pistol calibers and usage. Forgive me, as I'm far less knowledgeable on modern self defense calibers than I am on historic military calibers, and I'm far from an expert there either. Many, many early 20th century revolvers and auto pistols used very anemic cartridges by modern standards. Presumably, this is primarily due to lack of modern materials science and engineering. However, they were in fact issued and used in war. Many US police even used .38 Special (a fairly weak cartridge, though not bad) for decades into the 20th century. Just how wimpy were these calibers of the past? How usable were they? How does their actual use compare to modern calibers like 9 Parabellum and .357 Magnum? Could one conceivably carry a pistol in .44-40 or 9 Glisenti for self defense, or would it be suicidal? Did historical militaries just never expect anyone to have to use their sidearm to kill anyone, or were several shots used to stop an enemy, or did one or two shots do the job even with a "weak" caliber?

[@Amontadillo]

Heh, German tourists. I'm German and I've actually been right where you're standing :D

[@rangerrartlie2011]

Amontadillo lmao im american and i dont know where that brige is even

[@lainewhitaker1749]

This was awesome and insightful! Excellently done

[@kcspeed9980]

On the topic of anti corrosion my grandfather refuses to replace the oil pan gasket on his jeep wagoneer. He says that the oil keeps the car from rusting. There is literally no paint on the frame from sliding on rocks yet there is not a spot of rust. There is just a thin film of oil and dirt.

[@kyleg8928]

He is also recycling, good man.

[@GoldplatedDeagle]

awesome.

[@AWPtical800]

the MP412 REX revolver is a top-break design. It never took off because it was a Russian design (banned from import to the US plus seen as weak because top-break) but the prototypes were capable of handling .357 Magnum/.38 Special. Apparently what made the REX the exception was that advancements made in metallurgy overcame the increase in pressure that smokeless powder brought.

[@toddwebb7521]

Top breaks going out of fashion reasons 1) too weak for the 3 most popular full size cals .45 colt,.44-40, and.38-40. that would be like making a new pistol today but only making it in odd calibers like .41 ae 2) cylinder latch stretched and can fall. In fact in your Harden story it was a Schofield that he was having to hold together 3)The hinged frame revolvers were generally considered less accurate than solid frame revolvers. 4) smokeless was only going to make the cals it can't handle problem worse 5) swing out solved the flaws of top break while allowing fast reloads

[@SatansPooper]

Thanks for the book review. Great Question! I am currently unfamiliar with Bob Boze Bell's books, I will be speaking to my local public library about procuring them soon.

[@DiggingForFacts]

Having driven a lot through the US as a European, the vastness of the landscape really is something that is awe-inspiring and even intimidating at times. It definitely is not for everyone, but you get to see a hell of a lot more of the US than simply visiting a large city. As for the 'response trunk gun', the great irony is that despite the image issue of the AK (created mostly by their prolificness in the Middle East) a good number of the mass shootings have been committed with AR's, simply because of how prolific a gun it is in the US. I guess that after 150 years, the image of something or someone can still be deceptive.

[@brandon3883]

For all of the "German tourist" comments here, I'm amazed that no one has mentioned the Japanese: one of my grandmother's is native Japanese, and when her friends or family used to visit it was a given that they would all pile into an RV and road trip from Washington state down to the Four Corners. The openness absolutely stunned them, and of anything they _could_ have done while visiting (often the only time they would ever be in the USA), that always seemed to be the #1 thing to do.

[@wingracer1614]

I've never really been into the whole Old West thing but this was fantastic.

[@derweibhai]

Awesome job guys, great info. Love these type of vids.

[@Spitsz01]

Great stuff guys! Very interesting and awesome scenery!

[@jokuvaa2552]

History lesson with Ian and Karl. Awesome.

[@lostdogaccount]

Navajo Bridge / Hwy 89A near Lees Ferry?

[@InrangeTv]

Yep. ~Karl

[@SafetyProMalta]

I was there last year...surrounded by Germans riding Harleys on holiday!

[@wierdalien1]

Stephen Forster wait were you riding the harleys or where the germans?

[@lenheinz6646]

I really enjoyed this thematic approach to this Q&A. +1 on Karl May--stories of the "Old West" were very popular in Germany, and leaked out into German culture in various ways. For example, WW II Luftwaffe pilots called enemy fighters "Indianer." The ammo availability discussion was also very interesting. I think that Ian alluded to it briefly, but it can be a bit tricky to compare 1880 prices to 2010 prices by inflation alone. Average incomes were probably considerably less in the Old West, even after adjusting for inflation. It would be interesting to look at this from the other end--the ammo manufacturers. If they were producing millions of rounds of .44-40 annually, that would give a good sense of the strength of the market. Ian and Karl, you've probably already been, but Lincoln NM is a great microcosm of the Old West. Of course there's the courthouse from which the Kid made his famous escape, but also a general store stocked as it would have been in the era.

[@nicholasblennerhassett6297]

I like the backdrop of todays episode.

[@Ergilion]

Ahh... In Russia you have open spaces like this too. Each time I drive to the range I cross the Oka river valley and it's the same breathtaking view of a huge open space with a church spire on the far side overlooking the valley. And this is only an hours drive from Moscow.

[@c.r.watejr5093]

Excellent vlog today Guys!!! Thank You for all You do.

[@1972glm]

I like how you guys deal with race and culture in this (hear me out people). I went to a very crazy liberal arts college where they had absolutely zero nuance when it came to such topics (there way or you're a racist). But actually appreciating history and figures, while at the same time acknowledging their faults but not completely demonizing them or disowning them because of it, is pretty refreshing. The two guns=bad guys or bandoliers=mexicans=bad guys is very interesting, and was dealt with how it should be rather than bitching and moaning about how awful this time/these 'racist pigs' where. Not about judgment of character, just telling history how it was.

[@n2jmb]

Great Q&A guys!!! Thanks for posting

[@Mewyabby]

This is great gun content for experienced shooters or total newbies.

[@jimmyt3814]

870 mud test please!!!!

[@zoltanbereczki7162]

I'm a "bit" late for this, but the probable explanation for the high amount of german (speaking) tourists is that they had a writer who wrote a bunch of old west titles which became pretty popular and a few generations of middle and eastern europeans (thanks to the Soviet Union) grew up on these western books. Almost forgot, he was called Karl (🙂) May.

[@cosmicatrophy4648]

Although loosely based on historical accounts with many creative liberties taken, what is your opinion of Cormac McCarthys "Blood Meridian"?

[@jameshealy4594]

I read "The road" and that was great if harrowing. Been keeping a bit of an eye out for others, might have to give that a look.

[@Predalien195]

In regards to the question about use of cartridge belts and such in the Q/A session... when you mentioned the notion that AK's are today viewed as the "bad guy" gun. I think even people with AR-15's now given the number of mass shootings with them are also viewed the same way. Honestly, not even just if you were pulling a trunk gun to stop a mass shooting but even in home defense. It's an aspect that people dont often consider or look at, but the public doesnt always view those types of rifles in high regard. From personal experience of having to use a gun in self defense inside my home and knowing somebody else who went through the same ordeal and have discussed it with extensively, there is a massive difference in how people view certain guns. I used a lever action rifle in my home defense situation, they used an AR-15. Both of us live in the same state which has a very well defined Castle Doctrine law and many cases going in favor of it. I fired twice, they fired 4 times according to our respective cases. Now when we went to trial, mine went rather smoothly and was concluded rather quickly. There's was not, in fact they tried to demonize the use of an AR-15 and say that the use of force was not justified and etc. Now, this could be because of a different city/court but I think it was just the attempt to say "He used an assault weapon". Where my gun is walnut and blue steel, its viewed differently by most people who get around guns as a whole. I remember a few years ago there was a company that did a survey with citizens in California asking them about what they think about guns. They showed them images of Remington 700 and 870 as well as some other guns along similar lines like modern day striker fired guns like Glocks compared to 1911s and revolvers. Now, its California we're talking about here... logic isnt always their strong suit. But in most every case they were shown the same gun twice just in a wood stock vs a synthetic stock. And they felt more comfortable with the wood stocked guns over the synthetic. Which goes to show sometimes its just about appearances with people on if they view something as "dangerous" or not. So I wonder if in the old west that notion was the same or if people back then arent much different than they are today on that subject matter of displaying guns and ammo.

[@Spitsz01]

Hence the "Wobbly Webley".

[@AgamemnonTWC]

As a black powder competition shooter, basically everyone I know in the sport casts their own shot. Molds are cheap and lead is super easy to cast. Also, we use windshield washer fluid and dish soap to clean our muskets, then WD-40 to oil them. That way we don't worry about rust from water getting in the stock.

[@jumperharz6270]

Big fan of your work. Keep it up guys!

[@ericdodge5776]

Great Q&A. You need more old west videos

[@MrThomass281]

Yes, 1875 Remington handsprings. I have broken 4 in my EMF Outlaw.

[@bastioncash]

InRangeTV Question what y'alls opinion on bullpup precision guns I'm really excited for the rdb in 6.5 Grendel to come out later this year but I'm also just debating on building another precision Ar 15-10 thoughts? All welcome.

[@tubergonz]

Isn't the other limitation of rimfire cases the fact that they cannot handle the higher pressures of centerfire? The ballooned out/hollow rim is very thin.

[@hazakdds7366]

Great stuff, thanks guys.

[@jackeyxm8401]

got a cap and ball question is it essential to plug the cylinder with something like bore butter or a greasy/waxy substance to prevent cylinder skip accidental discharges or is that kinda pointless curious because I think that the ball round would prevent spark and hot gasses from going into the next chamber what are your thoughts and practices

[@burnsboysaresoldiers]

Anderson wheeler is the company who makes the modern webley in .357

[@troy9477]

Great backdrop. Probably drove through there at age 6 when we moved from CA to TN (back to CA 4.5 yrs later). Good old west content. Re the lynching: nothing wrong with some occasional street justice if it's done right. Murder during commission of robbery or other felonies is first degree in almost all states (the "felony murder" rule, which title always sounds redundant). So a death penalty (however administered) would have been just. I always thought the stereotypical Mexican bandits with double bandoleers was something of a Hollywood invention. Those period photos were interesting. Great video as always, guys. Thanks

[@RobertoDonatti]

Ludwig Loewe made copies of the S&W .44 for the Argentine Army, there's lots of those guns around here.

[@MrCyphermonkey]

It is true that many europeans don't appreciate the size and scale of the US. I didn't until i made a few trips to utah and colorado. I also then realised why 4x4s are so popular.

[@indymcconnell]

"That guy is a shit head." love the succinctness of that statement

[@SilencedMi5]

Don't forget the MP-412 as a good example of a modern top-break revolver meant for modern cartridges!

[@RaXoonic]

OMG an QA that I dident noticed was posted😲 talk about beliving to be an huge fan... gonna have to take an break from work now to see this😉

[@cutworm59]

Going to get these books yall have mentioned. Yer spoiling me, I even have a green Cetme l on my wall! Thanks again!

[@paulsimmons5726]

Your discussion of top breaks makes me wonder if Smith reissued their Schofield type in the 600 series/stainless in 38Spl/357 Mag with 4, 6, and 8.5 inch barrels... God, if they made it without the Clinton lock, I'd have to have a few!

[@MrKingdavis13]

I live on the east coast and generally speaking every state has a law that says that a person travelling trough with a firearm must stop at the first sheriff's office and declare their firearms before proceeding. I am not sure how many people abide by that law why but do you think laws like these are kept "on the books"?

[@DeviantOllam]

Davis King all such regulations have essentially been superseded by the Gun Owners Act and its Safe Passage provisions. While certain jurisdictions are jerks, a locked and unloaded firearm may be transported through just about any territory without informing any law enforcement.

[@AllajchaSibir]

Awesome Q&A!

[@Threewolfs-]

Hickock, carried cap and ball, fire it each morning then reload to ensure had a fresh load.🤠

[@kyleg8928]

Threewolfs 45-70 thought Hickok predates the cap and ball. 🤔

[@Threewolfs-]

Kyle Groetsch the first percussion caps were made in 1820, Hickok was born in 1837, he also served in the civil war. All cap and ball times. The first cartridge gun was the Henry, just before the civil war started. His favorite guns were a set of 1851 Navy cap and ball in 36 caliber.

[@kyleg8928]

U wuz ther so ud kno. 😜

[@Threewolfs-]

Kyle Groetsch who told u, tried to keep it under my hat, 🤠

[@kyleg8928]

Threewolfs 45-70 I'll tell ya, it wasn't a spring chicken. I'll divulge my Russian sources no more. But I can say there was collusion. 🤓

[@Mamiya645]

My country is 70% forest, so flat clear plains are astonishing for me.

[@kyleg8928]

Mamiya645 The video does absolutely no justice to the 4corners area. A true wonder of the world. I've been blessed in its presence more than I'll mention. It's as dangerous as it is beautiful off the beaten path. Raises the appeal. It certainly should be on a humans bucket list.

[@jeffthebaptist3602]

Not so sure about the pure ruggedness of the SAA revolver. The original SAA is notorious for breaking hand springs in competition shooting, so much so that many reproduction manufacturers have switched to coil springs for that part. Likewise, the trigger of most SAAs where they interact with the hammer is quite thin and fragile. The reason you carry five on a traditional gun is because dropping the gun on the hammer at half-cock will frequently snap the trigger and fire the gun.

[@InrangeTv]

Everything in context. The SAA is more rugged than many of its counterparts and even some modern things, but it's certainly not indestructable. ~Karl

[@kraigbolte6098]

have a question from previous videos, what is Gork?

[@johnvorhees5787]

karel and ian what are you favorite surplus guns

[@autumnharbinger5923]

Ian lookin cool as hell with those shades

[@codypanek]

SUPPOSEDLY, the Battlefield games feature the MP412 Rex, a Russian .357 Mag top break revolver. Which I'd totally buy in a heartbeat if they could be imported at a reasonable price

[@bauer431]

Well done gentleman.

[@mikegkelly123]

Great Q&A

[@MrMorganQuinn]

As to cost, you guys in AZ are doing okay, when I first got into guns around 14 years ago, Ammo cost was pretty reasonable here in Ohio, it's gotten a little ridiculous today. I don't think I could buy a box of 9 in a brick and mortar for less than 15, and we're talking Wolf or Bear or CCI.

[@MrMorganQuinn]

I don't have a 9 though. Tokarev, .32, .25, 38 S&W, .32 S&W, 7.62 Nagant, Ammo I need, has become very scarce. If this stuff was as scarce when I started I would have thought twice about buying the firearms I did.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Doc Holiday was one of the sole redeeming factors of Val Kilmer's career, so gotta give the dead lunger that.

[@GustavoCastillaEtherDreams]

I am surprised you fail to mention Comancheros

[@zetahoven4556]

Without his iconic goatee, I think Ian might be mistaken for a Wild Bill Hicock impersonator

[@CountArtha]

Most people are not frog experts, so when a 1950s foley artist needed nature sounds for a scene where two characters meet by a pond, it was the same process whether the movie was set in 1950s California or Bronze Age Egypt: They just waited till dark and recorded the Pacific Tree Frogs outside their window, and even though it's literally the only species that makes that sound, it's now stuck in the entire world's imagination as the sound a frog makes. Well, most people aren't gun experts either - so when a 1950s propmaster needed costumes for an entire cast of cowboys and Indians, it was the same process whether the movie was set during the Civil War or the Gay Nineties: They just went to their local equestrian or sporting goods store and bought everyone a Carlsbad hat, a Colt single action and an 1892 Winchester. So now every cowboy wears a style of hat that didn't come along until the silent film era, and every revolver is a Colt Single Action Army, because that's what has stuck in the popular imagination after so many decades of artistic license.

[@atilliar]

in the early 1800's a bricklayer made about $1.50 per day... that makes the cost of a box of the common ammo of the time almost 2/3 of a day's wages... inflation in dollars doesn't really tell the whole story... in value terms... what is 2/3 of your wages today. Or you could look at what a $1 gold coin is worth today and also get a rough estimate as at the time they used gold for currency. At todays gold prices ($1256 an oz.) a $1 gold coin is worth $60.79.

[@ME-hm7zm]

1/3 of my daily wage (gross) would be about 127 bucks.

[@paulsteigerwald7623]

Can you do a vignette about the Glanton gang at Yuma Crossing some day?

[@rednecksniper4715]

I've got a question how come guns like the volcanic revolver weren't popular and for that matter why did the concept of rocket ball ammo not take off

[@InrangeTv]

The Volcanic did not take off because its cartridge was pitifully underpowered. ~Ian

[@rednecksniper4715]

InRangeTV what about the concept of rocket ball ammo where when fire there was no spent cartridge to eject which in theory would make a gun simpler and ammo cheaper

[@PristineTX]

That's what Ian is getting at: Any possible benefit of the caseless design was cancelled out by the concept creating the condition for the ammo being woefully underpowered vs. cartridge designs.

[@rednecksniper4715]

PristineTX yeah makes sense no case equals less powder and bullet weight which makes it less effective

[@b.hagedash7973]

Half expected to see Doug Stanhope's name on that Bisbee grave stone.

[@gunjesus2549]

B. Hagedash He is the Mayor of Bisbee

[@johntheexplainer]

Have there been any recent American examples of a mass shooting being ended by an armed passer-by?

[@kyleg8928]

qt3141692 yes. Last 100 "mass shootings" The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29 The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.5

[@johntheexplainer]

Interesting, but do you know if the latter number includes 'stopped by the gunman himself'?

[@WingmanSR]

Usually, "stopped by the gunman himself" means he has met armed resistance from someone and has decided to 'check out'.

[@kyleg8928]

qt3141692 If I understand you to mean, when the violent criminal is faced with legal armed resistance the criminal then personal empties the contents of his cranium. Same result, no reason to calculate IMHO. Threat eliminated either way. As it should be,

[@griffn14]

Some would say Curtis Culwell Center attack is an example of such. All it took to stop, though not to kill two well armed attackers was a Glock. Google "terrorists stopped by armed citizen" - there are some more similar events.

[@petesheppard1709]

Over a year late, but after recent mass shootings, ARs are being totally demonized by antis (being far more common is a big factor) and AKs essentailly ignored, SO...an AK might be safer to be seen with than an AR My impression has always been that bandoliers carried rifle ammo, so wouldn't they be expected for people who primarily carried rifles?

[@burnsboysaresoldiers]

Pancho Villa didnt exactly help the bandoleer image. His bandits in 19teens im sure added huge to the "bad guy" image

[@GreyDevil]

I see others have jumped in to expand on why Germans are into the old west. You guys should research Karl May, he wrote stories set in the old west even though he himself never traveled to the US. Still he's pretty well known and beloved, i had never heard of him until i listened to an episode about him on a podcast episode of Futility Closet. Link for the episode below, it's about halfway into the podcast: www.futilitycloset.com/2015/06/14/podcast-episode-61-the-strange-custom-of-garden-hermits/

[@DahvPlays]

I go to Lake Powell every summer and I always meet German tourists

[@Halinspark]

What about the group of people that like turning money into noise? Were they a group at the time, or was it not as common to go out in the woods and put holes in stuff just 'cause?

[@ark-209]

Beautiful location, and a really great set of questions. I always enjoy the Q&A episodes, but this may be my favorite. One point, though. ARs are trendy as the "mass shooting gun" right now. If you want people to know you're a good guy...pull a Garand out of the trunk.

[@InrangeTv]

+Ark - Anyone with any gun, good guy or not, will take incoming fire from authorities when they arrive. ~Karl

[@bertram238]

Three thoughts: 1 - You two always look like you make really underground old-school hip hop records when you're not shooting. Like the kind where you use an actual drummer and gate/compress the track to make it sound like a drum machine, because you can't actually afford a drum machine. 2 - Can confirm that to a European, the idea of driving for nine hours is incomprehensible. For comparison driving from John o'Groats to Lands end (northernmost point of Scotland to southernmost point of England) is about 15 hours (sticking to the speed limit). 3 - The crossed bandoleers thing sounds like the wests' unwillingness to used chest rigs during the Cold War because it was "Soviet", despite it being far more practical when you have full webbing belt and ruck.

[@Joe-ie8vk]

about doc holiday i read a story that ar one point in some bar he opened up with i cant remember if it was both of his pistols or one but the only thing he hit was this poor bar keeps merior.he drank heavy due to the t.b it helped witu the coughing fits.i also have read he was more known for being good with a knife over a pistol.he was feared cause he was dieing and wasnt afraid to punch out alittle early so nobody wanted to go up against him.on the other hand i read that big noise kates account from the shoot out at the o.k he was sobbing in fear afterwards.who knows though,has anyone else heard of this stuff ot did google seach steer me totally wrong here?

[@InrangeTv]

+Joe Schultz That was the Oriental saloon and the barkeep shot through the hand was Milt Joyce. ~Karl

[@JerryEricsson]

I recall all the old western movies I watched as a kid growing up in the 60's. Many of them had the bad guys "selling guns to the Indians!" Which was the ultimate crime in the old west. I doubt that his had a lot of facts behind it, however I do recall an old Sheriff who I used to work with (RIP ED) who had a family history dating back to Europe where his family fled to Spain (thus the Spanish name for a German) because of a slight argument over a stolen horse, they fled Spain over the habit of using horses, not their own to the US where they were charged with selling guns to "hostile's" He was a pretty good sheriff but lost his badge over a mistake claiming a murder was a traffic accident, later being proven wrong.

[@ME-hm7zm]

As someone who grew up in Maryland, that place is so dry...so empty...*gag*...dying...