Maybe we were wrong about CS2

[@Xhale.]

I miss flying scoutsman, cobblestone, militia and being able to play unranked competitive

[@ball40045]

The casual hostage maps and game mode was awsome. I poured many hours into that game mode and often saw the same people hanging out in those lobbies. It was an awsome community that I do miss a lot and I hope they add all the classic csgo hostage maps back soon.

[@leaveacomment]

unranked competitive is so important idk why they haven't added it

[@cIappo896]

i miss canals. that map was so imba but so fun.

[@dotnask0001]

Cobblestone and militia weren't in the game years before CS2. What are you on dude?

[@JackSparrowTheCAPTAIN]

One year after full release and we still don't have half the old game modes back. Useless devs being useless. + Danger Zone???

[@chalkbell]

Not going to lie, CS:GO took about 3 years to reach what I believe was a polished level. That was when they rolled out the Hitbox and Animation updates in around mid 2015. After that the game began to feel a lot like what people are used to. Considering the timeline, I feel like valve has gotten a lot done in a year with a lot of people shouting at them with mostly unusable feedback (not counting the actual bug reports that didn't get fixed forever or still). It will never happen overnight and the game is going to be different no matter what but currently it feels good to play majority of the time.

[@hex_1733]

The problem with this reasoning is that CS2 isn't a new game, 90% of it is ported from CSGO. If they need another 3 years to get it to that level, what are Valve doing? Maybe they should consider hiring more people or moving more people in CS2's support.

[@JC_Firestorm]

@@hex_1733 sure, it has started as a mostly ported CSGO but from what I heard, they are reworking and redoing csgo code, soo yeah that takes time

[@chadyways8750]

​@@hex_1733 it's most definitely a new game, most assets were replaced, they had to sync and migrate assets between CS:GO and CS2, probably at minimum 6 months of work for that alone, a whole lot of new effects were added to the game (volumetric smoke, subtick, recently the Train rain on guns), that's not to mention that they are dealing with a new engine, one they are continuously building out instead of benefitting from a ~10 year old existing engine that needs to be modified, hell, I could bet that the majority of CS2 development is going into Source 2 instead to build out systems and features that can then be used in the future. As far as more people or more people to CS2 support, Valve supports multiple games to this day - Dota 2, recently Deadlock, CS2 at minimum, then add Steam, Steam Hardware (Index + Steam Deck), pushing out free anniversary updates and documents to their old games (Half-Life, Half-Life 2) and the fact that Valve has a reputation to uphold with past history showing a pattern of hiring innovative talent, it's just unlikely that they'll be able to find enough people at a high enough of a level to handle all of this. Valve as a company is also weird, they don't have specifically top down management, people are free to work on what they want more often than not, so it's not really as easy as "just assign more people", it goes against their entire company's current style and believe you me, people are not happy with change.

[@ball40045]

@@chadyways8750 These are all great points and I agree with everything you said. But you’d think that the game that most definitely provides the most income and support for the company, through case keys, market sales, and even the armory passes would at least still have made cs2 a separate game from go instead of a direct, “update” that doesn’t even have the same amount of maps or content. This game makes so much money for the company and they can’t even update and add content monthly. I’d say in many aspects cs2 is a direct upgrade, but I also think that cs2 could be called a downgrade becuase of all the game modes, maps, and community servers we lost.

[@aok9153]

@@chadyways8750 Its just funny how they said that they cant implement 128 tick because of bad pcs. People wouldnt be able to handle it But now its totally ok to release a more demanding game that is the most unoptimized piece of garbage I have a 12700K and a RTX 4060TI, but i can barely play the game. On faceit its somewhat playable, on matchmaking the stutters are so insane its borderline unplayable With every update the fps decreases and stutters become more unbearable The game itself is playable, worse than csgo but not horrible. But its crazy how u need a 2K euro PC to play this game I even bought a new pc when cs2 launched, but i underestimated how bad it will get. Soon i wont be able to run it

[@SyRose901]

CS:GO at release also alienated a lot of us in third world countries because our PCs couldn't run it at reasonable framerates. I really couldn't play CS:GO until 2020, where I got access to a cafe(I'm Mongolian, those are everywhere) that can run the game. CS2 repeats that cycle, at least for now. I'm not fond of CS:GO at all since I played only just as much as I did CS2, so I can definitely say I'll never go back from CS2, it's been a blast these last few months, especially in Wingman. One thing I like much, MUCH better in CS2 than CS:GO is the music. The CS2 Music Kit RULES. CS:GO's is good as well, but I'm not putting that on over CS2's. Because almost all the casual modes got nuked with CS2's release, a lot of people have never been able to play CS2 for what they want to play, like Flying Scoutsman, Demolition, Retakes, Danger Zone, maps like Insertion2... Speaking of, maps like Insertion2 should now be handled way more easily with Source 2, I can't wait to see those maps finally realize their full potential. Finally, subtick has apparently worked perfectly for a very, very long time, just that it was scapegoated for a lot of the other networking issues that got slowly fixed over time. I can honestly say that the hitreg on good network is now markedly better than CS:GO ever could have. PS. Damage Prediction is a cool feature, essentially what fighting games do nowadays, but on a larger scale.

[@Moco26]

Hell yeah, totally agree! Would LOVE to see insertion 2 with new graphic features.

[@sleit0n]

dmg prediction is a fake fix tho... and u need insanely low ping to be able to use it which idk how many ppl have... The real fix is 128 tick

[@SyRose901]

@@sleit0n I have had a great time with DMG Prediction at 60 ping, the dink sound was not worth turning on, though. You bet CS:GO also had a "fake fix, hack" going on behind the scene to make the game feel good online. It's the "delay vs rollback" argument of fighting games. 128 tick makes everything feel different but not better, I think Valve ultimately did the right thing by streamlining everything into one tickrate, but yeah, maybe they should have chosen 128 tick as standard to shut up the people asking for it, even though it improves networking by unnoticably small amounts, and changes physics by a non-insignificant amount which is not a good thing, all while costing almost twice as much power.

[@Ghost714-]

i have a 2012 CPU and graphics card and i can run it what are you talking about

[@maniacpwnageking]

@@sleit0n Such fucking cap. God damn gamers are fucking sheep.

[@brahimskender1785]

As a 35 yrs old fan of CS since 1.6 to CS2 I have to say the game is in the right direction to be the greatest FPS ever made, just be patient and accept changes

[@KaraokeNig]

Mah man.

[@sportsport9470]

you can't be 1.6 player. you are clown

[@blackcoffeekicks]

Yep. At least try and adapt to the changes before saying a bunch of hateful shit lmao.

[@sportsport9470]

@@blackcoffeekicks Changes? Game is live more than 1 year, buddha mode does not work properly. Adding or kicking bots are not working properly. Shaders cache does not work properly. Vac did not exist in the game. Even this clown charms have color bugs after alt+tab. st idiot fu

[@chedlan.]

dam unc

[@somecateyelink]

I’m extremely sure subtick is a non-issue, as it’s by all means an improvement (IN THEORY. AS TF2 PLAYERS WILL ASSURE YOU, THE MURPHY’S LAW IS SUPER APPLICABLE TO VALVE). The rest of the game’s netcode sucks, but valve created a buzzword, and people simply shifted the blame to it. So, as a result, you get both bias (hm, new thing, not my skill issue) and people misunderstanding it (x youtuber said y, z pro said w, must be true). Note that subtick isn’t even a new thing. People experimented with it as far back as 2012 from a simple google search alone.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

Subtick feels so much better on lan then online it's actually criminal we didn't have it on go

[@randomplayer3340]

Ty for not dpreading useless hate and youre very right subtixk feels really good 😊

[@riker8214]

People just assume subtick is the problem. It’s not. All it does is record a time stamp for when in the tick the action occurred. It makes your shots more accurate and makes duels more fair and correct with the result. It’s CS2’s netcode that is the problem. The packets are way bigger than they were in CSGO and in many cases the game cannot handle out of order packets. CSGO could handle out of order so it’s possible for CS2 to improve.

[@Smouchieification]

The issue is mainly that we never wanted such an improvement, we wanted official 128tick servers and some improved graphics perhaps and we got the graphics but a major step backwards on the server-front. They should've just given us the 128tick instead of throwing even more money on making a completely new tick-system, in the least we should've gotten 128tick premier-servers until the sub-tick is really well tested and implemented. Even in the old 60tick from CSGO I've never experienced anything close to how bad sub-tick feels. So yeah, the game might have sucked less if they actually just did what the community wanted for once, so they shot themselves in foot with that decision and then just ripped the whole leg off when they removed CSGO additionally to force you to play the broken crap of a game. Sure the game might be good and improved over CSGO in 8years, but then they've lost todays community and probably another new even worse game being made.

[@somecateyelink]

@ you want something, not the world. Statistically speaking, you only can represent yourself. The average person might be happy, and not voice their opinion, and just play the game. Biases are a bit of a curse in terms of deciding what’s the best course of action. The only objective thing here is that valve themselves could benefit in the long run by actually cutting down on the tickrate, and just making sure everything “times” fairly. That’s quite literally the only reason for doing something as odd as this. Subtick doesn’t feel. It’s a mistake a lot of people make, you are not alone. Subtick is just a number attached to a packet. You can’t really tell if it’s there without spying on what gets sent. As for foresight, it’s quite pointless to speculate. Valve is unique in being rather unpredictable. I’d neither be surprised if they crunch down the issues within a month, nor I’d be if they never fix them at all. Lastly, I’ve personally never felt that many issues with the game to begin with. Sure, it feels delayed n stuff, but I haven’t gotten that many “oh that should have hit don’t you dare lie to me game!”s

[@seandipaul8257]

9:30 I live in Sweden, we have a history of playing CS. Our gaming cafes usually run 3070 TI's.

[@MysticalWafflez]

Fast and loud is an understatement. We're deafening

[@djbrissette]

For me the biggest, unforgivable fluke that valve did was intentionally hardcode 64tick in the client. It's one thing to say "64tick servers are too expensive for valve to run for all official servers"' but it's another thing to just go "we won't let anyone ever enjoy a superior netcode because we don't want that". From what I've heard from pros who tested early cs2 faceit beta servers, 128tick + subtick was amazing, but it seems like we'll never get to see it... so sad

[@Asdf-wf6en]

Yeah, valve locking us all in the 64 tick cock cage was so unreasonably petty.

[@eaqwallbender8269]

Dynamic smokes are great. They seemed OP because they last longer and cover like 1.5x more space, but being able to break them adds a lot to gameplay

[@forple8930]

I would agree in many cases. The dynamic smokes allow me to cover more spaces arguably more effectively and allows me to counterplay them, but at the same time it's kind of annoying to toss a smoke expecting to cover a sightline, and then immediately getting gunned down by half the enemy team because shooting smokes is essentially encouraged all the time now, so it being magdumped into turns it into a bullet magnet rather than a semi-deterrent.

[@Titan.TheWolf]

@@forple8930 This. Honestly, I'm maybe biased but I really don't like the new smokes. I think the nade thing is good, but being able to shoot through them is just annoying, and also I hate how big they are. I throw a smoke in a certain area in GO, and I know what it will block off. In CS2, you have to basically just guess. If you throw it in a small area like office, or nuke, it can block off like 3 different rooms with one smoke, it's too OP.

[@Asdf-wf6en]

Before my graphics card shat the bed my pc with an i9 9900k and a 2080 super could run CS 2 and at 220 to 260 fps at 1080P, but it would suffer enormously in death match. I think it’s because valve got rid of clear decal binds meaning that 16 people’s blood sprays and bullet decals were piling up on the walls and that’s what was killing my frames.

[@auxil6550]

I think a lot of people just need to redownload the csgo build through steam and test it out. I did so and it really isn't nearly as good as I remembered.

[@Moco26]

Finally some words of wisdom. I never wanna go back to csgo, and I mean it.

[@acenio654]

I have and it feels so so much smoother it's insane

[@skoop4477]

@@acenio654if you mean as in performance i agree

[@BoogieWoogieCat]

Nah, the shooting still is more satisfying. CS2 improved a lot with predictive input, or whatever they call it and that is the future. But the simplicity of CSGO still has not been replicated in CS2. They'll get there eventually though. The last update proved it. And Valve needs to reduce the requirements to run this game. The game's graphics do not justify them and it's just bad optimization at this point.

[@Hardsky5123]

@@BoogieWoogieCat you can find a second hand rx 6600 dirt cheap and it will give you a lot of fps for the money.

[@MidheimOfficial]

The release of Train was the real release of CS2 and in my opinion its really noticable. The game plays a lot better than on launch, many issues have been fixed. Its now in a release state, before it was way to bare bones and buggy. Right now its actually a good game, but Valves Matchmaking, Servers and Anticheat are still unacceptable.

[@forasago]

And Train performance is also unacceptable, don't forget that. It's by far the worst performing map now, worse than Ancient water.

[@Gakoranus]

@@forasago Its less than two weeks old! Have an ounce of patience for the first gameplay patch.

[@MidheimOfficial]

@@forasago Performance in CS2 is generally way too bad. Does not impact me currently but i can see how it has to be one of the highest priorities.

[@snared_]

@@forasago maybe use a computer from 2020 then

[@forasago]

@@snared_ pros play on high end hardware from 2024 and agree performance is shit in CS2. maybe get some standards. maybe think about the context also. CS2 gameplay is basically the same as CSGO. the maps are small and static. there are only 10 animated humans moving around the map. there is no destruction, there is no changing time of day, as far as optimization goes CS is a DREAM for developers. so what do they do, do they take the victory lap and make the game run well? nope, they say "that's time saved" and never even try.

[@vincecs]

truly it baffles me how good performance was not one of the major concerns for an esports fps title - pathetic even

[@forasago]

it also speaks volumes about Source 2 as an engine. Source 2 was meant to be the solution to Valve's slowing content pipeline, it was supposed to the one big toolbox that every Valve dev knows well and that leads to rapid creation and iteration of new GAMES. and instead we are looking back at a DECADE with no new game from Valve, except for a VR gimmick project and the still alpha-state CS2. and on top of all those red flags it also leads to horrible performance and major crashing issues by default that are too hard for Valve devs to solve in a whole year after release??? Source 2 is a bad engine. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise. it has all the typical flaws of modern engines like shader compilation load screens, shader compilation stutter the first time you play a new map or wiped your shader cache, and generally awful, inconsistent frametimes. and it has none of the upsides as it still relies on the same rendering techniques we've had since the early 2010s. there is no ray-tracing here and they even REMOVED the planar reflections CSS and CSGO had and replaced them with cheaper screen space reflections (reflections as a post-process with obvious artifacts). yet it runs like a high end ray-traced singleplayer game.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

If you mean performance as in fps, the game runs great. Your pc just sucks

[@vincecs]

@@Jane-qh2yd Your opinion is wrong. Overall performance is not a subjective metric.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

@@vincecs Correct, it is not subjective. A 1060 is able to run CS2 at high setting at 150 fps as tested by zWORMz. That is a budget card from almost 10 years ago. That is OBJECTIVELY good performance. The game can't be held back forever because you have a 20 year old PC

[@vincecs]

​@@Jane-qh2yd CS2 doesn't just rely on the GPU but also heavily on the CPU. zWORMz used a modern CPU to perform their Benchmark. Additionally, the fluidity of gameplay isn't solely based on the average fps over time but also by its lows. CS2 has a problem with those, so while on average you might have good fps the actual experience is still lack luster and frustrating.

[@ayayatn4731]

We all have Stockholm Syndrome

[@purple__squad1578]

CS2 just needed more time. My theory is that the game was in the workings for a while, but it wasn't meant to be released for years, when higher end PC's are commonplace. So valve never worked on it super hard until val released. But valve felt that valorant forced their hand, even though it didn't. And rushed CS2 more then they needed too. Failing to realize that CS cannot be kiled.

[@getogat]

This doesn't make sense. Valve is massive cs isn't their only game. They have all the data and stats I'm sure they knew the whole time cs wouldn't be killed by valorant. Valve takes their time to release polished good content. Look at the train release, they could've done a simple port like they did with dust 2 but no,, look at the insane amount of detail and love that's gone into train.

[@getogat]

And if your argument is well look how they released cs2, it was bare bones, it did and does still have teething issues and it's missing content that should have been at release. But if you were a game dev, would you rather have a small group of devs test the game or millions and millions of players all with different circumstances, locations and pc configurations. The dev team could never reach that level of testing in a million years vs releasing it to the public and getting all of that insane amount of feedback.

[@Hardsky5123]

The game is not hitching with a ryzen 5 5600/i5 12400f + rtx 3060/rx 6600xt . Most people who complain about fps are the ones with PCs from another decade.

[@SkinnyDeanTV]

I use 5600x and 6600xt and I get like 250-350 works just fine

[@maniacpwnageking]

FR. This game's optimization is fucking great.

[@DogStreet]

Built a PC last week, Ryzen 5 5500, my game hitches so bad, and my wired connection sometimes jumps to over 500 ping. It's the only game I have that does this, and I'm pretty sad about it.

[@Hardsky5123]

@ unfortunately ping it’s on you

[@DogStreet]

@@Hardsky5123 yea I figured, I pay for fiber too, dumb ass ISP lol

[@voorachter2733]

Even though I admit that the launch and first year were really underwhelming, so little content has been added so far, Valve has shown they understand what the game needs (focusing on feeling, responsiveness and updating VAC even if it doesn't do shit). I have faith in them that in say 3 years CS2 is a really, really good game.

[@lolxd]

have any of you comp players seen any cheaters in the last 2-3 months cause i haven't

[@BrumbleJumble]

7 cheaters in 2 games back to back just the other day. around 15000-19000 on premier.

[@CannedBreadCS2]

@@BrumbleJumble comp not premier. comp is totally fine

[@BrumbleJumble]

@@CannedBreadCS2 comp is just casual though. Who takes comp seriously it’s just to hop on for a fun match once in a while

[@CannedBreadCS2]

@@BrumbleJumble i mean thats what the comment you replied to is asking. you can play faceit for a competitive experience with no cheaters, which you kinda had to do in go as well

[@MrPek-fe9fp]

I havent seen in few months.

[@keg7991]

imo it's less an issue of it being different and more that what was expected was not given, the community was like hey we just want a minor graphics update at best that deals with the cheaters and keeps the rest of the game the same. We instead got a huge graphics update that didn't deal with cheaters and not only changed the game but removed features (most importantly 128 tick and therefore also alot of movement modes and also faceit experience)

[@keg7991]

My hours played per week went down to less than 1/10th after cs2's release and it is not because i stopped wanting to play but because the game was 1/10th as desirable for me to play. In cs:go I always felt that i was for the most part in control and even that the cheaters and stuff had gotten pretty reasonable to deal with. In cs2 the amount of cheaters is monsterous in high elo, i did my placements immediately got like 16k in eu ladder and was like i have absolutely zero desire to play, there are wayyyy too many cheaters and even faceit feels kinda gross without the 128 tick. I can't even play kz which i played multiple times a week consistently. Theres none of the cool new features like the non elo based competitive mode, or the valve made retakes. In general it's just like wtf was the point?

[@Lilly24244]

Yepp, on launch I got placed at 18k elo, and after one or so days of playing alright games I was getting extremely blatant cheaters in literally every match. After I hit 13k elo I just kinda gave up. In cs:go there at least was a bit of movement skill left which kept me through the worst games, but bhopping and tricks are pretty much impossible in cs2, so why even play anymore?

[@maniacpwnageking]

128 tick is 128% placebo.

[@IanPeon]

CS2, as of this comment, has just stopped being unplayable for the last couple of months, for me anyways, but there's still a ridiculous amount of content missing with the only thing being offered is another way to buy stuff. It's admittedly better a year after release but still a far cry from previous versions.

[@simptrix007]

We were so right about every CS version they get released in pretty raw state and take years to adjust.

[@BohmanderTCG]

csgo before cs2 release was perfect it just needed 128 tick

[@isculptmemes]

Not wrong at all, while fun, it is still an unfinished game by all means which cut down massively on content from the previous one, and got unexcuseably no content at all for a year while riddled with cheaters, if the game had completely died it would have been deserved for Valve's negligence on their third biggest IP

[@GETJILTED]

given the past few months of patches and updates, im actually pretty happy with the state of the game right now. the biggest W's imo are the animation changes, and the recent updates to spray feel. the added marker for where your bullets are hitting like we had in GO honestly made a world of difference for me. also i hope ptree knows you can turn off the tracers, i couldnt play with them lol. i also remember that you could turn off the fish eye awp scope too but idk if they removed that or not.

[@RIPPERJACKYT]

The only problem I ever had with CS2 was trying to play a casual game after work and being placed in matches with blatant cheating

[@cr34t_]

You really hit the nail on the head. CS players hate change, so even if the game was perfect on release it would've been controversial. Games biggest problem is clearly performance and it might take a while but I'm sure it'll get better. Valve really needs to stop making deadlines for themselves.

[@Greyimm]

13:08 It had a huge amount of impact on the movement. Imagine trying to play but pretty much every single time you hit the jump key you are PRAYING that this jump will actually work how it’s intended. So yes, that does make an impact on your experience. This is definitely the biggest movement issue in the entire game.

[@rokasb9441]

Smooth movement at 11:40 - that's such a great clip.:DD

[@a3liwa]

The issue isn’t with changing CSGO; it’s the fact that they released an unfinished update. Adding buggy features just because they were near a deadline is unacceptable. It seems they panicked, fearing that not many people would play CS2, so they removed CSGO entirely and replaced it with this broken version. If someone claims CS2 is good, they’re clearly ignoring reality. From what I see, the developers know exactly what’s happening but don’t care. Their focus is on profit that’s why they introduced the armory. Meanwhile, the servers are dogshit ('subtick' is a joke),The graphics in CS2 are a mixed bag on one hand, they look modern and more polished, which is great for high-end PC users. On the other hand, the improvements come at the cost of performance, making it difficult for low-end PC users to enjoy the game smoothly, and there’s still no proper anti-cheat. The only thing keeping the game alive is its marketplace for buying and selling skins. At this point, all we can do is wait and see what happens over time, but things aren’t looking good

[@cxlciummmiv]

I miss Seaside. I miss Flying Scoutsman. I miss the crisp shooting and everything that was CS:GO. CS2 can't and won't replace CS:GO. Ever. Still, doesn't mean I'm not wishing the best for it. It's my childhood game but this is the truth, CS2 will never manage to top CS:GO.

[@randomplayer3340]

Lets look back in 3 years and all be like how actually bad go was sure nothing will be the same but cs2 will be better at the end of the day

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

i like the fact that it's okay for Valve to take plenty of years to fix a game and use its playerbase as a lab rat, but when every other company did it (FO76, Cyberpunk 2077) they are a bad and a terrible company.

[@tehjamerz]

I have to thank valve for CS2, it allowed me to play Tarkov for the first time

[@chadyways8750]

that's a mistake and a half, nikita will bend you over and do unspeakable things

[@Steve_Smith_Gaming]

Ik it's been 3 weeks but how is that better lmao

[@illegalpizza]

It's Funny because I got the early beta, played it for a week, and went to Csgo until they deleted it.

[@Felale]

The difference is CS:GO was the perfect product. The game had finally matured and become more polished than CS had ever been. Then we threw all of it out the window for new graphics and terrible netcode.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

You're a big fat liar. CSGO was full of flaws, but now that CS2 is out, people like you keep calling it a "perfect product" because you look at it with rose tinted glasses. CSGO had terrible hit boxes, garbage 64 tick servers, almost no updates, an awful sound engine... There are literally entire compilations with millions of views of people getting "CSGO'd". People like you ruin the community with your nostalgia

[@anti6017]

Since valve adressed the animations and netcode it got better and better over time. Yea sure some old or new bugs sneaked in but got patched very quick. The problem is more our imature community with content creators like loba staying in the front row. People were crying for a decade about shots not being registered. Now people cry to die behind walls. But instead of blaming their connection or the connection of their opponent they blame valve. On top of that valve seems to be very annoyed so they added the feature that players can even decide if they want the animation feedback to wait for server confirmation or getting instantanously rendered on their pc. Still people are whining about it because they just dont understand how things work. It feels like era of populism has reached counterstrike.

[@voorachter2733]

Gaming communities are mainly adult males crying like little spoiled children.

[@ValipPowa]

i have at worst 20ms and im dying behind walls in cs2 which NEVER happened in csgo lol i think u just wrote a big comment for nothing but coping with a shitty game connection of the opponent affecting the game should not be a thing the lagging player should be punished otherwise all the cheaters are just gonna lag switch lol i think problem with the game is bad game thats just what it comes down too. valorant doesnt have any of these issues its clearly just a shit game.

[@anti6017]

@ValipPowa OK. What do you think would have happened If your opponent hast hit your head in csgo? The animation that he has hit your head would have been shown on his Screen but you would Not have died because you we're on your PC already behind the wall so you would Not have died. Remember when anyone was crying about 64 tick and how bad the netcode was in cs? They solved that Problem. But You will never have both (Not dying behind walls and unregistered shots) unless we find a solution to reduce networklatency on a global Level.

[@anti6017]

@@ValipPowa it "does not happen" in valorant because the models move slower. If csgo would have been in slow motion like valorant latency would not be such a big deal

[@twixy..therianz]

Good summary! I agree with basically _everything_. Damage prediction is a good step forward, finally the game starts to feel a bit more responsive. I was really getting more and more disillusioned & frustrated by the state of the game and a couple of weeks ago I even installed Valorant! (something I thought would NEVER EVER happen).

[@voorachter2733]

I installed Valorant too once. Liked the gunplay (movement is far less penalising so it's easier to frag out coming from CS) but then I got hit by various skill going through walls and whatnot and uninstalled. It's not for me

[@vertex3243]

damage prediction solves nothing and is only a band aid to a severed limb. if your hit doesnt register, damage prediction wont change anything. if you dont have 0 ping you will be seeing blood when you didnt even hit him and double dinking people with an ak. it is a terrible setting that valve only added because it was simple to add and to shut people up about responsiveness. its just a spit in the face to anyone that has a brain

[@sdkfz234]

Imo the problem isn't the game itself but its the lack of content where is lake, cobble etc. Where is new operation

[@brahimskender1785]

They adding new stuff with each update, just be patient

[@sdkfz234]

@brahimskender1785 im waiting 3 years for an operation

[@getogat]

​@sdkfz234 this is a ridiculous argument and cements the fact people will complain no matter what valve does. We just had the armory which is basically an operation, would a coin make you feel better? Some missions like getting deagle headshots or whatever? We've been getting constant new updates stop complaining for once

[@sdkfz234]

@@getogat bro this shi aint an operation. In my days it was wortj buying an operation. Cuz u knew u could profit but he fucking armory is a whole different story. Unless u get some rare shit u will not profit

[@getogat]

​@@sdkfz234 bro you could buy unlimited stars are you restarted??? At least with the armory you have to buy 5 passes and spend hours grinding your stars before buying more passes, that's clearly much better than jus being able to outright buy unlimited stars 😂

[@talalala420]

people need to remember Valve is a multi-billionaire company and we still don't have an operation yet

[@mailiam499]

I'm really glad you talked about performance. I upgrade my GPU from 2070 Super to a 3080 and got worst performance lol Make it make sense valve.

[@sahiljamadar6371]

I have a ryzen 7 7700x and 4070ti, i usually get around 450+ fps on decent settings however the 1% lows while shooting drop to 80-90 fps sometimes (like seriously ?) if anyone have any idea to improve it, please let me know because while shooting (most imp part) its very much jittery which is quite disappointing and frustrating while playing !

[@mrlocorio4291]

Not fixing the peekers advantage in over a year is unforgivable

[@btg643]

I've played CS since the M4 had a silencer and a scope. i remember the patch when bullets would make smoke when shooting at concrete walls. I'm as OG as you get. I love CS2. It's fun, smokes are creating a brand new way to play... Valve will make this game so good over time. We know that. Why is everyone acting like Valve can't get it done?

[@drifter402]

CS GO was already a cheaters paradise so there's no difference.

[@DookJob]

Only gripe with csgo/2 is the vibe, everything is so bright and dusty and then the player skins, while tamer than other games, are still very off putting.

[@Titan.TheWolf]

This too! Source nuke looked like a nuclear power plant, in CS2 it looks like a nuclear power plant that sells power rather than creates it. Even source inferno, looks much more like an actual place than CS2 inferno, which looks like a weird fantasy mix with reality in italy.

[@buddmcstudd6994]

My only thing is the feel of the game. Jumping felt wack, boxes were clunky, utility was delayed when throwing and sometimes outright disappeared mid air, but most importantly the kill response and player models. Warming up and playing in CSGO was just a superior response.

[@kakorotskywalker]

I feel like the only issue with CS2 that really matters, is deleting CSGO so early in CS2's development cycle. People wouldn't be this mad if CS:GO still existed. Sure, they'd be much less player data to work from, but people wouldn't be this dissapointed. I remember when it was still in beta, I didn't get to play before release but wherever I heard about the game, people were complaining bout the game's many issues BUT were very optimistic. As they had GO. It didn't matter how bad the game was, and they were excited for the game to be developed enough. A year or two after the actual release would've been much better.

[@WatchoutNSG]

Literally nobody would be playing cs2 if csgo didn't get bricked

[@kakorotskywalker]

@WatchoutNSG overstatement but yea. They wouldn't be playing it as much but they'd still be a fair no. of players.

[@randomplayer3340]

​@@WatchoutNSGid rather play cs2 and i think alot more would too

[@JimmyDoesJournalism]

Part of the justification for the change to Source2 was to escape the spaghetti code/compatibility issues that source1 had become. Sadly, it looks like CS2 on Source2 is the spaghetti mess that we were trying to escape. Spaghetti code is literally; we can't change the code too much, because if we do, it'll break something all the way over there, which is exactly what CS2 has been. There's a clear issue with the devs not playing the game. Valves ability to fine-tune what is, otherwise, a very good product, is weak or, even worse, non-existent.

[@BoogieWoogieCat]

Yeah. And also there is no justification for this game to be as demanding as it is, with the way it looks. None. Valve is completely clueless and tone-deaf, because people don't care about graphics that much and they especially don't care about it, if it hurts the performance. It's never a good trade-off in a competitive game. They should've targeted similar specs to what Valorant requires and made the game look as good as it could in that range. This game screams bad optimization and has terrible cpu usage for no reason. Accessibility is important in a game like this to keep it alive and bring new players. I know it's 2024, but there are games that look way better, but also run better than CS2. This is inexcusable.

[@JimmyDoesJournalism]

@@BoogieWoogieCat Yea, the physics alone is enough to push a lot of mid range CPU's to the edge. The game wouldn't be so bad if it was better optimized/more stable. I had to stop playing because my PC build just didn't work for CS2. I'd get 200 fps average, not great, not bad, but the 1% and 0.1% lows are insane. It's even worse when everyone is alive and there's lots of utility to render/calculate. I can't play this game like I used to because I'm well aware that I'm losing to people with half the experience/skill simply due to input latency, frame times, etc. I totally agree with you, CS2 is so poorly optimized. I'd upgrade, but what's the point? There are people with 5grand PC's that are still getting 1% lows in the double digits.

[@maniacpwnageking]

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about lmao.

[@Lilly24244]

@maniacpwnageking do you? Sure looks and plays like spaghetti code to me.

[@forple8930]

@@Lilly24244 I mean, it makes sense... Source 2 is quite literally just a major iteration of Source 1 in the end (which is a major iteration of Goldsource, then Quake, etc.) I don't know why people think the game is magically completely spaghetti free most of the time. There's still stuff like lighting code from Quake in this engine. Resultingly, it doesn't surprise me that as a result, the engine is still as decently perilous as ever to maintain and update. I'm confident in saying that CS2 only really released the way it did simply to keep up with Valorant, and CSGO was tossed out solely to stop splitting the fanbase between two major installments (even if I think this decision is stupid no matter how you slice it). Unfortunately, we're also back at square 1 in terms of game polish, and as a result we're essentially playing a worse version of the game until Valve gets off their ass and keeps properly maintaining the game and bringing back the polish of the previous CSGO, but by that point we basically just spent like months if not years to just play the same game but with slightly better graphics, which almost feels like a complete waste since CSGO's whole selling point wasn't really graphics, it was the gameplay.

[@nando2853]

I like the intro of this video, showing how much effort you put in this video. (subbed!)

[@Blakk_Hole]

I have a 12700k and a 3090 and cannot get consistent framerate and when 3 or more enemies on screen turns to a power point still it's so frustrating

[@S4NSE]

still don't get how people can hate cs2 while you would literally get csgo'ed in csgo, it's seems so hypocritical, people just cry for csgo because they forgot what csgo was like

[@kivori3438]

The bug on mirage where you go on top of the map was very funny to use, the couple matches i played our team and the enemy took turns to use that and try to win from the ground

[@Leviathan02464]

The "clicking" on your last rounds in a magazine has destroyed my appraisal of CS

[@vertex3243]

?????

[@BlooTeg]

11:18 made me laugh really hard what was that

[@Luna0wl]

My biggest problem was from the beginning that I knew we're going to be beta-testers for the next few years until the game reached it's potential and they still choose to "delete" CSGO.

[@GiorgyArmani]

i'm being telling this to anyone cs 2 is really similar to 1.6 and with years passing by you will see! this cs2 is the real improve we as a community being looking for

[@carstenpfundt]

YOU GOT HIM FROM THE FROF AT THE LAL

[@buxA57]

you would be suprised how many cheaters are still in valorant :D

[@Luggruff]

The setups at 8:25 are wild. Wonder how many times per day they tare down a PC from that shelf with the wired headphones. And about the performance concerns: Are you really running it in 1080p, or are you trying something insane like 4K, that is insane to use for CS anyways?

[@Arjun-eb1yc]

10:47 what AAA game that looks like a movie runs better than CS2 ?

[@AbitCraftyAllAround]

COD6, Diablo 4, Warhammer. All of these run better with Ultra settings, settings ingame optimized for graphics quality over performance quality. Have multiple long, and short cutscenes that render way better. CSGO2 is poorly optimized and runs like shit over any PC regardless of new hardware. If you are bottlenecking or throttling on CSGO2, God bless you. CSGO ran on 2010 laptops better than this port ever will. Better optimized game.

[@OliverGBianchi]

⁠​⁠@@AbitCraftyAllAround”runs shit over any PC” nahh mate I run CS2 with 350+ fps on maximum settings, and only about 250 fps in COD6 so to say these games run better is just pure bullshit😂 I totally agree that CS2 is not perfect yet, and Valve is doing things way too slow but the fps issue is just people who try to run the game on some crusty ass laptop from last decade

[@luckiee_]

​@@OliverGBianchiCS2 has better AVG FPS than a lot of other FPS games but worse 1% lows and frametimes. 350 FPS in CS2 is not the same as 350 in say COD6. It also looks like an Xbox 1 release title so it's not really acceptable.

[@sam-np4ol]

Bhopping in competitive is no longer a skill that can be developed unless you de-subtick your scroll wheel. They also added a console command that forces you to scroll at snail speed. Extremely frustrating. Even if they set the jump spam penalty delay to 0, it is still an issue because then bhopping is way too easy. They are also actively removing every skill jump in the game, or making them significantly easier. TLDR: They are still lobotomizing movement.

[@dwatts64]

It was a broken mess up until the most recent updates. The armory update absolutely broke my game. 40-50% packet loss constantly and i was teleporting everywhere at least once a game. The new networking foxes, along with the damage prediction features, and cs2 now feels as snappy ss csgo did for me.

[@krak3979]

I just want the game to have good hit reg and feel smooth and crisp just like the 128 tick servers did. Not to mention that they forced third party matchmaking sites like Faceit to use the subtick system instead. Valve has never heard about the term ''If it ain't broke, don't fix it''

[@Aussie_aNti_h3r0]

Finally someone publicly saying that cs2 is just different not just saying bad game.

[@badboy0510]

The biggest issue of CS2 for me has been and still is the peakers advantage. Don’t get me wrong it was there in CSGO but in CS2 it’s on a whole other level. It’s to the point where some games holding angles seems absolutely useless because people are killing you before you a) see them or b) are able to humanly react in time. This changes the core of CS to a very different type of CS game where you are punished for holding but rewarded for butt rushing sites with your dick in your hand. Ontop of that the NetCode in general is awful and it’s highlighted with the new kill predictions. So many times I have dinked or straight up killed people just to have them mow me down shortly after. This tells me on my screen I have done the right thing in terms of aim and positioning but the server is like ‘nuh uh’ and I am punished yet again. CSGO was not the smoothest experience ever but on 128 tick faceit servers it was closer to perfection as you would see on LAN servers than I think CS2 will ever get with its 64 sub tick.

[@dragonbeast1159]

A few months ago I stopped playing cs at all. One reason was what I just wanted a break, but I was also tired of cs2. It just didn't feel good to play yk, shooting was weird, movement was weird, many visual bugs that make it impossible to play. Now ive kinda gone back into the game and im happy to see that while it's still full of bugs and feels 'off' its way better than what it was a while ago. And im mad cus they took csgo from us, I want old inferno :(

[@gordonneverdies]

I would trade my entire inventory to have CSGO back.

[@diosgocereum]

2 dollars

[@kaksidaksi3455]

@@diosgocereumreal

[@Jane-qh2yd]

zWORMz tested the CS2 on the GTX 1060 a while back and it averaged 140 fps. That is a budget card from over 8 years ago. CS2 is really well optimized. You can't expect a company to optimize their new games for 20 year old hardware. At some point the player is expected to move on.

[@picklesandcheese4970]

HURR DURR MY 10 YEAR OLD PC DOESNT RUN NEW GAME AT 300 FPS MAX SETTING !!??? URR URR HURR DURR UNOPTIMIZED GAME ! I AM SO FINANCIALLY UNSTABLE I CANT SAVE UP 500 DOLLARS OVER THE COURSE OF A LITERAL DECADE

[@HEXZ0R-]

0:31 we all know from where this is ..... admin hes doing it sideways

[@forasago]

1. Performance 2. Anticheat This is all it would take to make CS2 unanimously celebrated as the best iteration of CS.

[@picklesandcheese4970]

performance is fine and the anticheat has literally never been good LOL, regardless the AC needs to be kernel and actually have like a days worth of effort put into it

[@ATR-_]

Not covering how CS:GO launched originally for consoles only surprised me

[@SgtFurby]

I miss community servers. Used to run Half-Life DM and CS:S servers when I was 10 years old.

[@handleOfThy]

I like how valve kinda uses cs community as their unpayed QA team

[@pR0ManiacS]

Cs2>cs:go .*grabspopocorn*

[@nutyy791]

I agree that CS2 has gotten to a point gameplay wise that it would be hard to go back to CSGO now, the biggest problem really is the cheaters, it is so defeating when you have many thousands of hours but it is impossible to get a legit high elo lobby, it is just a endless loop of cheater lobbies till your elo gets pushed down so low you meet low elo players that you stomp till you get the cheaters again. This ruins it for everybody.. and I fear it won't be fixed anytime soon if ever since cheats will always be a lot easier to create than to counter

[@sammygreco]

I think the only thing Valve has dropped the ball on so far is their silence regarding anti-cheat. I keep hearing whispers of some AI solution for VAC, but after a year it still hasn't materialized. Pushing into the 18k+ ranks of Premier is really disheartening with how many cheaters there are. The only real way to compete is on FACEIT, and it really sucks that people have to download and use 3rd party anti-cheat software in order to experience a hacker-free environment. The lack of anti-cheat has been CS2's biggest problem from launch by far.

[@eaqwallbender8269]

Had to upgrade my PC 3 times in the last year to play CS2: 1) Change the whole system from i5 to Ryzen 5600 2) Upgrade GPU: rx590->5700xt 3) Upgrade the CPU: 5600->5700x3d Now it's playable on a 240hz monitor but still not ideal due to poor optimization

[@geryleger9110]

My only issue with CS 2 and CS:Go is the cheater problem. I stopped playing regularly in 2017 and started in 2019 again but only a bit and I think I won't really pick it up again.

[@Aler_5]

I have a i5 2310 and GTX 960 4GB. And I live in a country where I can not upgrade my PC even if I work for months, not even including the fact that 1 out of 2/3 youth are unemployed, it is near impossible to get a job without nepotism. I can not play CS2 anymore as I drop to 44 fps during gunfights.

[@pinefilms3141]

CS2 is literally going to last the next 10-20+ years...people don't realize that because we're all just players playing the game at the current moment and judging it for what it is NOW, compared to how CS:GO was, but imagine the corporate/executive meetings happening at Valve.... they are thinking YEARS in advance, so us players aren't seeing the full picture regarding the entire lifetime of Counter-Strike as a whole.... all the stuff people are complaining about currently (which is completely justified considering the HARSH transition from CS:GO to CS2) will be nonexistent as the game continuously gets updated/improved... change can be hard to accept but sometimes necessary for growth

[@skillezkillez]

Performance issue is the #1 reason why I don't play CS and it simply has to be improved, you can not expect your user to get a new 2k dollar PC because of one game. Ofcourse I dont think ppl with PCs from like 2014 should expect it to run well but if it's the only competitive game that really runs poorly like in my case then there is an issue.

[@lordofdeceit]

CSGO took 3-4 years until it felt really crisp. CS2 in beta was so much better than CSGO in beta. The fixes seem to come more frequent and bigger fixes more often than in the beginning of CSGO People need to realize this is a COMPLETELY new game, new engine so everything basically needs to be done again from scratch.

[@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572]

I want to play game now, not in 3 years or whenever it gets fixed. This is why some of us still play 1.6.

[@monkeyrise856]

There are tons of cheaters in CS 2,they just don't spinbot now. And since there are no public Overwatch,wallhackers can live for ages before being banned by some lazy Valve employe who decide to watch a couple of demos just of boredom.

[@radhoodini9802]

I feel like CS2 was just a one of the testing points for the source 2 engine.

[@JimJK]

9:40 bro wtf is that? my ryzen 5 5600 is overclocked (by AMD themselves with the pre installed power plan) at 4.5ghz

[@O6i]

after decades of emotional abuse from activision and cod i switched to csgo in 2023 and never looked back

[@asappi1]

Really good video

[@cristianmihai4222]

I did play 1.6 until 2017. Stoped playing until 2019 when I did start csgo.

[@rikingg5629]

i might be a low ranked shitter but the fps is enough for me to enjoy the game the way it is. i LOVE the graphics, they make me wonder how they can be so good and still perform like they do. this game LOOKS like a movie like triple a titles and i am surprised my machine of about 5 can support it as smoothly as it does.

[@mikaellindahl1077]

performance is for sure (now) the nmr1 issue

[@megalugia8]

View model recoil 0 is something that needs to happen!

[@claytonroberts1622]

I switched to valorant just bc cs2 feels like shit I’m year clear almost !

[@gozzyboy1989]

I played 1.6 and cz in my teens and when source was out everyone hated it, cs2 just needs more love but I think it's way better then go even when it first released

[@Allieduser]

Valve in 20 years did nothing against cheaters and why I am not playing cs

[@SCP-tn2ln]

Your comment it's just a fallacy and it's factually wrong, this is the lowest quality bait I've seen

[@-D.R.H-]

Great video my man, keep it up.

[@bilbocheese2214]

Certified heater

[@luk4323]

Heat me up my guy I'm cold

[@qwerdf12]

the engine was only really beaten on by the dota team so I think the lack of tools in the fps branch as well caused a bunch of unknown issues to be there. but what do I know. (ps S2 sever break in both games around the 2 hr mark. idk why movement issues in cs and Creep spawn problems in dota )

[@deRNmEpRrMm]

I just sometimes wanna play a little less competitive than always ranked, always for the win. CS:S is, as crazy as it sounds to say, currently a better game if you just wanna play some fun and silly rounds of CS.

[@ElVid]

thats a reasonable video, Valve probably needed to push cs2 to push themselfs. I guess they need public data how and where source 2 makes some trouble. I couldn't go back to csgo after i played the beta of cs2 for the first time, but i can totally see why people where mad. Even tho most people probably dont play arms race or demolition at all (i played it and i had often bots in my teams compared to Casual) it frustrates to see that the "NEW" game has less in every aspect AND comes with some wild bugs.

[@Unlogikmann]

Really liked the video and the questions. My take on your question why CS2 take so much performance compared to other games. I would go so far and would say that the source 1 and source 2 engine has more in common with a physics simulation then a "normal" triple AAA Game engine. The simulations run in realtime. What do i mean by that. Smokes flashes granades and their interaction with everything in the map and also your movement has more nuances/depth(by that i mean you have velocity that works in a mathematical function) or you even have gravity simulated on the whole map.

[@danishblunt9698]

The biggest issue with CS2 is subtick and cheater problem.