The Fatal Descent of Flight 3407 | Mayday Air Disaster

[@hieithefox]

The fact that a person flying a plane wasn’t paid enough to rent a hotel and in fact made less than a bus driver is disturbing

[@batmang9014]

@@Greylobster WRONG!!!!

[@WiesoNurMistnamen]

@@batmang9014 Right for 95% of the work time

[@robertgary3561]

Those days are long gone now. Back in the day that was true

[@ValParry-g4e]

😮​@batmang9014 greyhound buses are probably a lot of hassle tbf, but these schemes were mad.

[@tee2359]

Back then yeah but now days pilots make good money. Bus drivers are always on strike hahaha

[@cremebrulee4759]

I think crew fatigue needs more attention. Pilots are commuting and then trying to sleep in the crew lounge. They are not well rested, and that is dangerous.

[@organrick]

@@cremebrulee4759 I think so too. It said in this episode that it was against the rules to do that, but it sounds like they didn’t have some other place to take a nap, and they probably couldn’t afford an apartment or a hotel room. I had tried getting a job as a baggage handler recently, but haven’t heard back as I’m not willing to relocate, and can’t work the whole day on Sunday, so I’m probably ineligible. I can definitely understand the fatigue issue if they’re using pilots that are from Seattle, and I forget where the other location was, then flying them in, and not ones that are local to Newark or Buffalo.

[@Armor23OnPatrol]

@@cremebrulee4759 imagine trying to commute from Seattle to Newark on a cargo plane. Not only your sleeping uncomfortably on a jumpseat of a cargo plane but trying to deal with a 6hr time zone difference. Your circadian rhythm would literally be wrecking havoc. Now imagine adding all that while being paid less then a bus driver.

[@tbone3972]

In reality many people never think before they act. It’s always about the money over matter. Everything in life is dangerous but death is inevitable.

[@martijnm4905]

Having to travel all the way across the country can’t be called “commuting” anymore, especially when it’s to take the controls of a commuter flight..

[@howlingbeats2544]

Pilots and the rest of the crew literally have a specific room to sleep in. Not the crew lounge.

[@ElizabethMayo-sf4wg]

I appreciate these Mayday videos. I also respect the individual investigation members. I am sorry the accident happened but appreciate what one father's action started so accidents in the future could be avoided.

[@hood_TheJoker]

my best friend's cousin missed this flight... he still talks about it to this day.. he feels like he's on borrowed time.. I tell him it wasn't your time all the time

[@tokyok195]

best friends cousins aunt uncle grandpa

[@davesuiter]

Well said; it was almost correct grammar. What you meant was; "I tell him all the time, it just wasn't your day to die".

[@hood_TheJoker]

@@tokyok195 🤣

[@hood_TheJoker]

@@davesuiter 🤣

[@haveagreatday-x1g]

@hood_TheJoker not funny

[@debbiebalnaves4842]

Umm , it's called airline's need to provide a place for their pilots to sleep free of charge for 8 hrs and not running them from one flight to another .

[@scottw6704]

Don't be silly. Nothing is called that.

[@calogerusfalco9741]

@@debbiebalnaves4842 I was only an electronic technician, yet anytime I had to travel for the company, the company secretaries took care of my lodging.

[@MrSigmatico]

Its called a country that is so afraid of Communism that its government can not even demand its companies to provide its employees the basic needs the have to do their jobs properly, its disgusting and a great big reason for the lact of respect for the USA around the world.

[@DanaX09]

As a non-pilot, I know despite my having watched a hundred of these videos if I felt like the plane was falling my instinct would be to pull up. It appears that his fatigue made him respond like that too. RIP to all those people lost.

[@stephenlupoli]

Why are their crickets sounds during the snow scene.

[@donaldallen1771]

Professional pilots are trained to ignore their instincts, which are often wrong in flight. Spatial disorientation, as experienced by JFK, Jr., is an example. And pushing the nose down to recover from a stall is another. In this case, Renslow stalled the airplane. The stick shaker went off because they had told the airplane that they were flying in icing conditions, so the stick shaker was set conservatively. The airplane had not stalled when it went off. Renslow's reaction was what stalled the airplane and caused the crash. Renslow should not have been in the cockpit of a commercial airplane. He failed a number flight checks, which he did not reveal to Colgan. This guy was not cut out to be a pilot and as a result, he got himself and a lot of other people killed.

[@aprendoespanol6833]

As a pilot, we are trained incessantly to develop reflexes to push the control column forward and add extra power to recover from stall

[@pilotactor777]

@DanaX09 trust me. With all the training we do , it is extremely hard to pull up..Everything we learn feom our 6th or 7th flight teaches you to aggressively push forward, or atleast unload... I don't understand this pilots reactions..

[@pilotactor777]

Boom. There you go. ​@@donaldallen1771

[@stevenkovler5133]

I have a friend who recently passed away, but he was scheduled to be on this flight. It was overbooked and he gave up his seat to a young college student. He carried guilt for a long time that she was on that flight instead of him.

[@hieithefox]

That sucks I am sorry he dealt with that trauma

[@NathanSimonGottemer]

That’s really rough to deal with - all the “there’s no way you could have known”s in the world won’t take that guilt away; humans, as it turns out, are notoriously bad at facing death

[@aprendoespanol6833]

how did he die? Was she old. Looks like a nice soul to have felt for another young person

[@robinmitchell4443]

That is awful

[@rickwalsh7511]

there were 30-35 empty seats on this flight

[@rubyred6954]

I can NOT imagine the horror every soul feels as their airplane is heading straight back down to earth!!

[@magnusesophagus8195]

@TalkingCatFunShow you just cant afford to pay an airplane ticket

[@mrjova09]

Air, water,woods avoid that unless necessary and it raises your survival rate 😅

[@Noticer88]

@TalkingCatFunShow don’t worry about it, air travel is the safest form of travel out there, I’d bet that even waking leads to more injuries and fatalities every year compared to commercial aviation.

[@Wildflower5258_]

@@Noticer88 You can't compare "walking" injuries to a plane crash -- not even close.

[@Noticer88]

@@Wildflower5258_ you missed the point. The point was that more people probably pass away per year due to being hit by a car or whatnot while going out for a walk than people who die by (commercial) aircraft crashes per year. No, it’s not the best ever example but I think you should be able to see the point

[@MunroMcLaren]

The first officers salary was $16,000?! And the captains was $60,000?! Jfc.

[@b4udi249]

like per month or

[@wolfafe]

@@b4udi249 year

[@b4udi249]

@@wolfafe THATS SO LITTLE WTF

[@robertgary3561]

Back in the day. Thankfully those days are long gone.

[@b4udi249]

@@robertgary3561 yay

[@737tech]

Always shocking when an experienced person makes a rookie mistake. But we've all done it to some degree.

[@howlingbeats2544]

But most of us have not caused the deaths of dozens of people.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

Especially if you’re underpaid, sleep deprived, sick and used like a beast of burden, you’re far more likely to make a rookie mistake. Sleep deprivation has played a role in most major disasters, including both Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, to name just two off the top of my head. Both accidents were entirely preventable and should never have happened.

[@worstxb1playertylerteehc635]

Sick AND Tired. Fatal combination.

[@NoelleTakestheSky]

Still makes no sense why it was decided that, as a result of THIS crash, that aviation would be safer if pilots had 1,500 hours…considering both of those pilots were already over that. That rule wouldn’t have changed a single thing here.

[@Revkor]

Have someone else fly the plane

[@MikeGreenwood51]

To set a minimum requirement whilst not helping in this case, seems a sensible amendment to rules if they were allowing less than adequately trained or experience newbies to take the controls with hundreds of passengers on board.

[@dalgrim]

@@MikeGreenwood51The 1500 hour rule, if anything, has made aviation less safe. The 1500 hours is almost universally done in a light single engine, probably Cessna 172 as a CFI. This rule forces anyone wanting a career in flying to teach primary training. This means those “hours” are mostly sitting in the right seat while someone else flys! Also, not everyone wants to teach, but now they have to. The incentivizes them to “teach” with a quantity over quality mindset. This in turn leads to lower quality instruction, which then follows with lower quality pilots being taught by them. The cycle continues. Tell me who is safer: a 1500 hour pilot that has only 25-50 hours in a 67000lb turbine aircraft and 1450 hours in a 2000lb piston cessna OR a pilot that has 600 hours but 400 of those are in that massive jet?

[@LUOLMO]

Colgan Air 3407 was the last major U.S Crash

[@marccru]

crazy we have not had a major plane crash in 15 years! If you are talking about flights with more than 100 casualties you have to go back to the Jamacia Bay crash right after September 11th. In the 70's and 80's there where big plane crashes every couple of months it seemed.

[@daviddenham1511]

Nope

[@fredericklmeade2947]

The improvement in air safety is a little heralded major success. In the 1990s, it was predicted that at the rate the air industry was growing that on average there would be a major airline crash on average somewhere in the world. Things have obviously improved enormously in standards and regulation from lessons learned, though often applied years later than they should have been, have saved tens of thousands of lives and prevented countless losses and suffering by those left permanently injured or with a lost loved one. Air flight is safer than ever, and if service and passenger comfort could have had even marginally similar improvements we’d have a system I wouldn’t hesitate to fly. Instead, air travel has become a misery 90% of the time. My last flights and the airports were like subways at rush hour - but with less leg room than a subway! Now I do everything I can to avoid having to get on a plane and haven’t flown on an American airline in many years, which is basically a monopoly controlled by just three major national carriers.

[@kimlavich7790]

I wouldn't want to fly into Buffalo in the winter.

[@nongienong6900]

There should be sleep cabins for pilots like on the plane in pilot lounges so they don't need to rent a hotel room.

[@Leecho.]

I always watch a Air Disater before a flight! Keep me safe!

[@haveagreatday-x1g]

"disater"

[@neildoppelhammer]

Just another example of greedy corporate pushing past the breaking point. Pretty easy to determine this one. Might want to follow trucking regulations. Duh

[@kcism3239]

RIP to all the victims, captain Sully spoke about over worked pilots and he's right.

[@robwhitaker8534]

Commuting from Seattle to Newark for a job that pays under $16k per year - how could that have made sense?! Surely even with inflation that’s madness

[@ValParry-g4e]

The inflation hasn't been that bad. Those were terrible wages back then

[@robwhitaker8534]

@@ValParry-g4eYeah agreed, madness!

[@ValParry-g4e]

@robwhitaker8534 I think that airline pilots are only permitted to be at the controls for 20 hours a week, so my guess is that they paid hourly, for the flights she was actually in the right seat or some bs, either that or they deducted her training costs. We have a similar issue with barristers in the u.k when they are first called to the bar.

[@fredericklmeade2947]

@@ValParry-g4e, they are only paid from the moment they pull back from the gate until they park at the destination gate. All of the other time between shifts, etc. is totally uncompensated.

[@robertcavalier6133]

Winter weather is deadly! People should be much more careful about traveling under these perilous circumstances. Thanks for remembering this bit of advice. I drove intl. airport limos for 4+ years. So I know. * Cav *

[@MoonLight-zk3gm]

That's just common sense, ANY type of transportation is very dangerous during bad weather, I would NEVER travel in bad weather, UNLESS it was an EMERGENCY, NOR would I travel at NIGHT, night is also a dangerous moment to travel, UNLESS it's an EMERGENCY

[@philippal8666]

The weather was fine. The plane could do it easily. But the pilots had zero idea of what speed the plane should be doing. Let alone what the basic stall recovery was. That’s something learnt so early in beginner pilots. Planes fly in winter all the time.

[@dennisyoung4631]

It’s almost a requirement to have “bunks” or something workable for these people to get the rest they *need.* I know that my performance goes completely to (censored) when I’m tired - and I neither fly nor drive at this time.

[@daviddenham1511]

You don’t need computers and fatigue monitors……you simply need correct REST!

[@bobbyg9662]

I flew an ultralight airplane and I allowed it to stall, the small aircraft became a rock dropping from the sky. I lived and gave up flying!

[@NoelleTakestheSky]

Part of the PPL checkride is you have to stall a plane in two different ways, then recover.

[@gordonlee4632]

@@NoelleTakestheSky if you recover.

[@LeTangKichiro]

@@gordonlee4632 There is no if here. It is so annoying when people see everything as a life or death situation. Stall recovery during a PPL checkride are mandatory and are done in a safe way. Before that, I can assure you that you practice stall recoveries several times. Again, in a safe way. That is totally different than stalling an airliner during approach at a low speed and altitude with no space to recover.

[@harryshuman9637]

This is the exact thing that happened to the plane that crashed in Brazil 2 weeks later. Guaranteed, same fault in the de-icing mechanism.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

I don’t think you understood the video

[@SBMPLYMA]

The Firemen a block away. Didnt consider leaking gas lines. Wow.

[@martijnm4905]

@@SBMPLYMA indeed, the way to extinguish a fire on a gas line is to have the supply shut down!

[@SBMPLYMA]

​@@martijnm4905I hear ya.

[@EasyGoer-e3z]

These People are Happy and Jolly on Way to Visit Family or Go Home and in an Instant They are Burnt to a Crisp and Ripped Apart in a Million Pieces....Passenger Air Travel is ABSURD

[@dennisyoung4631]

That, and the TSA….

[@TheGigantium]

Long hours and low pay, that's like screaming for trouble.

[@JupiterMan12.000]

This Episode was uploaded Years ago on You Tube it's Uploaded again COOL👍👍👍👍

[@tholang6415]

Thank you mayday air disaters ❤❤❤

[@kovy689]

It’s a reupload…

[@markbrown7103]

I feel so sorry for those peoples loved ones. It’s so sad. There’s been a lot of airplane crashes caused by bad weather. I don’t think they should fly in bad weather. I know one thing for sure I would not want to die this way.🥲🥲 My heart goes out to all a few, who lost her friends and family❤️❤️❤️

[@NoelleTakestheSky]

Reality is, crashes are extremely rare, and happen in good weather too. If flights only happened in nice, calm weather, most flights would be cancelled.

[@Tyson13797]

Nothing to do with bad weather didn't you listen

[@bobbyg9662]

Be honest, that airplane doesn’t do well is real cold weather, happened again in Brazil. RIP.

[@NoelleTakestheSky]

The Brazil incident…there were some balance issues.

[@felobatirmoheb4884]

@@bobbyg9662 Not the same plane model.

[@QueenKennaofStormholt]

@bobbyg9662 Colgan Air was a Bombardier, the Brazil plane was an ATR. Not the same.

[@NoLimit213]

My biggest fear 😢😢

[@leonidasspyropoulos849]

The captain 60,000 and the co-pilot less than 16,000??? There was no manager to check the schedules, the hours, the salaries, the distance from home, etc??? People have to protest to improve conditions??? What are the people responsible doing???

[@KolyanKolyanitch]

Manager was on a vacation spending all of that money saved on pilots

[@Kevy24]

It’s crazy one of the very first things pilots are taught are how to recover from stalls. And it’s not just one or two times it’s taught and practiced 50 times. Instructors will drill this into your head PUSH NOSE DOWN AND ADJUST THROTTLE NEVER EVER PULL UP.

[@supervillain369]

...But the solution is simple. Just make rest a priority and don't punish pilots if they report being fatigued, or at the very least provide them the means to avoid it. The stuff about using sensors to determine how to change things seems more about stretching the limit of what human cognitive ability can do; which is just asking for trouble.

[@Pamela-b5e]

Renslow also failed many checkrides during his all his training. Colgan Air's training on the Q400 airplane was also lacking. This should have been noted in this program.

[@BlakeLeader]

My mom died on this

[@bjheading1519]

My condolences. I hope that your grieving lessens over time. Living a Mom is rough. 😢

[@bettystilt9887]

I’m sorry. May she Rest In Peace and tranquility.

[@midgie1166]

What was her name?

[@richardkeilig4062]

I am very sorry for you.

[@bobbyg9662]

That is so sad, feel so sorry for your family!

[@stuartbranson9920]

Sorry but that "Red bar" is totally insufficient for something as important as speed. Should have an alarm / flashing lights

[@nargileh1]

They hàd an alarm, a false (or premature) one, and then reacted by pointing the nose up instead of down, which actually caused the problem the alarm falsely warned them of.

[@markprange2430]

It wasn't even necessary to push the nose down. The plane was not stalling when the staickshaker activated. So just adding power would have been enough.

[@CosmicRPG]

Welcome back to the updates

[@yerunski]

Nowadays I watch more KZbin channels covering accidents and incidents than watching Mayday. Sometimes they do a (far) better job. Still good to watch this too though.

[@neildoppelhammer]

Regional's are definitely the most dangerous to ride.

[@ianbui5356]

When United 958 happened a few years later and passengers were frustrated there was no airline representative giving them information during their unexpected layover at a remote Canadian military base, I remembered this accident and how it made crew rest a point of emphasis, so none of the crewmembers could work while they were on the ground. I've always wondered if they found a solution in case such a rare incident were to happen again.

[@onyaitbenedict9296]

Who's the name of the narrator for most of mayday air crash investigation

[@nadinejackson3740]

What a horrible legacy for those pilots to leave behind. Very sad

[@g5realestate280]

They need to provide sleep cabins for Power Nap for pilots in the airport.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

For ANYONE.

[@montanacrone8984]

There’s a couch in the crew room😂

[@vansimian]

Just like the accident in Brazil ATR-72 turboprop from local airline Voepass, was bound for Sao Paulo

[@robinmitchell4443]

What i was getting out fatigue affects alot of workers.

[@christophermcnulty6006]

Why was this uploaded again? I thought it was new content.

[@siliziwevantyi1307]

First, finally not reposting an old video ❤

[@dianejacobs7523]

This is old. Have watched a few times

[@lucysnowe31]

I've seen this before. It is old.

[@Warren-go5ij]

!!!! 🫵🤣🤣🤣

[@DannyGoldingTV]

Still interesting to watch but I remember watching it when I was 15 back in 2012 lol

[@Geronimo2Fly]

How sad. I hate the ones where the pilots are at fault. RIP to all the victims.

[@Revkor]

this i blame more on the airline then the pilots

[@gregchavez1534]

What stuck out to me here is the problem of having the families of victims become driving forces behind necessary improvements in matters of public safety. Their motives, while genuine, I'm sure, are largely about healing their terrible pain, not public safety.

[@ohozo7292]

was this reuploaded?

[@BirungiDinnah]

When is you're finnal destination you can't do anything imagine the man who was in his safe haven (House with his family so sad yooo)

[@taaurus13]

How can ANY pilot - especially an experienced pilot/Captain - PULL BACK in response to a stall warning?!😳 You would think PUSHING FORWARD would be an AUTOMATIC response that no pilot should ever even have to think about. I’m not even a pilot and even I know (just from watching this show) that you point the nose DOWN (push not pull) in response to a stall warning. And yeah I know that’s easy for me to say when I’m not inside a shaking stalling plane falling out of the sky, from 1000s of feet in the air, w/a bunch of alarms/beeping going off but again - I’m not a pilot. This guy had 1000s of hours flying planes for numerous years - his reaction should have been AUTOMATIC. Regardless of what the plane was/was not doing or any activity that was going on in the cockpit.

[@paulazemeckis7835]

Another old episode being recycled. Why no new episodes? There are thousands and thousands of solved accidents in the last 100 years. These can be new eisodes!

[@richardwait1206]

First time for me watching so what’s your problem?

[@Mimar-15]

@@richardwait1206 because not everyone has just gotten interested by planes, use your brain

[@CarriedAwayChannel]

The actress’ screaming sounded like she was in a “different” type of video.😳

[@AlbinoTheHedgehog]

Just imagine sleeping at night and you don’t wake up the next day because you been killed from a plane that crashed right into your house…

[@quickbets6061]

Poor family, one minute you're home happy, next thing you've lost everything

[@ntag411]

The thing about this plane that drives me batty are the thin wings. Yet the plane is not a glider. Too heavy. Perhaps it's too much of a balance in favor of economy. The plane is running near coffin corner even during regular flight. 😮

[@peteverhelst2088]

I know nothing about flying a plane. But it seems to me that since you we’re flying before you made the last change wouldn’t reversing that last change help restore control? And I say help not a guarantee….

[@davidcritchley3509]

After only watching a few of these videos. Even I know that if you are in a stall. You push the plane down - and not up. The first rule of aviation. It should be an automatic reaction. Being tired isn't an excuse.🤔

[@b4udi249]

EXCUSE ME WHY ARE THEY BEING PAID SO LITTLE??!?!?!?!!

[@Thaisistercunny]

Imagine flying a plane a machine in the air with hundreds of souls under your control and then you get paid less than bus driving

[@stephenauty2402]

I don't think the Captain was aware they were about to stall, I don't think he realised what the stick shaker was , I mean how often would he have experienced that ? Probably never.

[@copic8241]

So two people with minimum paychecks can't afford a proper room to sleep before a flight....hang on wouldn't the company they work for have a vested interest in their pilots being on top of things??? Oh yeah who gives a funk right. Someone you wouldn't let drive your car you let fly a plane with all those innocent unsuspecting people to their grave. Needless to say, I don't fly.

[@thecommonsenseconservative5576]

Why do the dumbest comments come from accounts with subscribers and no content?

[@RETlREDAVIATOR]

Fatigue has ZERO to do with the pilot flying's response to a stick shaker, but training or lack thereof does! 😑

[@eleniklosd7637]

Please we need Greek subtitles ❤

[@ts7371]

You aren’t allowed to drive when fatigued but flying a plane is ok? The crew should be provided accommodation when needed or an allowance for hotel stays.

[@abelremark7446]

36:40 and onwards, thats the reasons.

[@phat147]

Mayday where is the last episode of season 13😢

[@daviddenham1511]

Most basic pilot rule…..SPEED IS YOUR FRIEND

[@kieranhart5776]

When plane goes into stall mode, you’re not gonna save it just by steering it and crying put the throttle up immediately dang it

[@ai-d2121]

The sound of the aircraft is like a piston type, not a turboprop.

[@taaurus13]

Studies about fatigue or whatever? Seriously? How about why doesn’t every airport have rooms for pilots to sleep like every hospital has for doctors? Is that too hard to do? Or how about airlines pay for hotels so pilots can sleep? Jfc, did these pilots also have to pay for their airline tickets to fly there to pilot this flight? This just feels like common freaking sense to me! Certainly seems like a much cheaper option than replacing a destroyed million dollar plane, paying higher insurance rates & settling multiple lawsuits. Safer too. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Daniel-f7o]

Why show her in a bad way? The snore in the beggining indicates someone lost

[@pandaphil]

As soon as I see snow I pretty much know the cause is going to be "Ice on the wings".

[@davidlloyd7597]

It wasn't though. It was pilot error and fatigue. Ice on the wings had a peripheral effect on this accident.

[@hittheheadlines2942]

This was just about a guy and girl distracted by each other; not pilot incompetence or even tiredness

[@iamspik]

Just like voepass 😨

[@Mrbiteof83]

Yaeh

[@harrieelias5756]

Human knowledge is very limited, everything will fail, too much bragging and arrogance will lead to failure.

[@Star_Jewel_Realm]

Frankly it is unfair to put blame on the pilots. They are human beings, not machines. It is within our nature to do things opposite to training especially in emergency circumstances. . Technology could help reduce these factors. But it is up to us to understand and use technology correctly.

[@haveagreatday-x1g]

agree

[@Bearwithme560]

But pilots are highly trained professionals, taught to understand flight technology and scenarios such as the correct way to recover from a stall, which is counter intuitive, so if the nose drops, you simply pull back in order to raise it. In the "real world", most unplanned stalls that occur happen because the pilot(s) were *distracted*, as well as fatigued (as was amply demonstrated in the video), and caught off-guard. That lack of anticipation caused them to fall back on muscle memory and pull up just because the nose fell without realizing what happened. If it's "unfair" to blame the pilots, upon whom, or what, does blame rest? This does not mean they are villains, but some human errors have more deadly consequences.

[@organrick]

@@Bearwithme560I would say that the blame lies with whoever made the decision to fly them there in the first place. It’s probably normal in the airline industry, but I can see how it can be tiring, especially if you have to deal with layovers.

[@Suisfonia]

@@Bearwithme560 Even a highly trained professional makes mistakes, *especially* when they are fatigued. Now I do agree that they shouldn't have been talking about things unrelated to the flight or with piloting, but it was a combination of a lot of stuff that caused this to happen with the biggest being the fatigue. Heck, the fatigue alone would've made it to where they stopped caring about the sterile rule.

[@Bearwithme560]

@@Suisfonia The "Swiss cheese" scenario l keep hearing reference to, l guess.

[@Kiwi_NZ610]

How did the plane crashed????

[@dalgrim]

This was the accident that caused the government to make the worst rule ever in aviation. The 1500 hour rule.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Is that the worst rule?

[@armandoribeiro1181]

Even i as a youtube "pilot" if you forgive my analogy (but im a passionate for these air investigation videos, although without without any flying experience whatsoever) know that in a low airspeed warning (triggered by an actual low airspeed or by a mechanism made to prevent it by stick shaking in icibg conditions like in the case of some airplanes like this one, one shall pitch down (pitch down, speed up it's generaly the golden rule) it's unthinkable to imagine fully trained pilots would overlook this...but fatigue is a bad b***h and air companies know this well tho when profits come before lives, you have the perfect recipe to disaster. Stories like this one are sad, but sadly they needed to happen in order to make aviation safer and nowerdays the overal safeqt transportation method of all.yes, safety ritten in blood sadly, but nevertheless hopefuly for the best in the future. Only regret is that the executives that haven't ever been in a cockpit and overwork these pilots right to death literaly never get the punishment they deserve. When you have pilots paid less than bus drivers to fly more hours without due rest while executives get paid millions, you can easely see where the problem is and what causes it. What should be really tested is how to make executives prioritize lives over profit. Hopefuly we learn with such accidents and the industry becomes safer after each one of them, it's just sad that such safety has to be written in the blood of the inocent victims of the accidents that contributed to it. In all cases, really great video, as it's the use of your channel.

[@dennisyoung4631]

One wonders just how much these execs were paid…? I’d guess too much, agreeing with you.

[@sammy_Ace69]

I will never fly

[@Warren-go5ij]

!!!! 🫵🤣

[@elparcero1220]

You have a higher chance to die in a car crash than on an airplane crash. Heck you have a higher chance to be run over by a car than to die in a plane crash.

[@tcme11]

​@@Warren-go5ijThat's not funny. If someone feels uncomfortable about flying, it is their right to avoid it. You are NOT amusing.

[@tcme11]

​​@@elparcero1220Exactly. Ask the people on this flight. Oh, wait . . .

[@pvm0708]

@@tcme11 no one is trying to be “funny”. On the contrary, it’s trying to be reassuring and trying to ease their fear.

[@nicolaspeters2555]

I am not a pilot, but even I know that to gain airspeed you wouldn't point the front up, whadda dunce.

[@Tony-yb4mo]

Holy sht they only get paid less than a Walmart manager. Yikes

[@greywolf1251]

I live in Buffao. I got a hold of the cockpit transcript. They were to busy talking not paying attention to flying. Below 10000 ft you must keep a sterile cockpit, only talk is about landing .they did not do this got caught of guard. and panicked.

[@grantstephens8327]

wow it's almost like that's exactly what they said in the video

[@TheCreditDisputeCenter]

This is the crash that set the 1500 rule which is contributing to the pilot shortage the industry is experiencing now, yet in European countries young cadets can get hired by a major airline and get trained by that airline and go straight to the right seat of a major airliner. This level of steep regulation is deterring young people from becoming professional pilots.

[@Suisfonia]

It's yet another example of government over-reach. I get that a problem existed and yes it needed to be addressed, but it wasn't the governments business to get involved. This is something that the airline industry itself needed to resolve on its own.

[@tonycuellarsolis5345]

2011.

[@Bearwithme560]

That enormous plane took out only one house?

[@eviljesus6111]

Those planes aren't that big

[@Bearwithme560]

@@eviljesus6111 There were so many photos of big planes interspersed throughout the video, that l didn't notice the size and make of theirs. Makes sense.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Having lived near 2 bog airports, I'm uncomfortable being in the flight path. I figure if it falls, that could be you. Plus, I saw LA Bamba several times. Ritchie's friend really DID have a plane fall on him.

[@swavekm8743]

should of put all settings back to normal then speed up put nose down then level and up again i quess we can speculate but we were not there

[@jonhammer7109]

16 n 60 Grand a year. Ohhh god. Id jump off that as it began the down the runway if i found out. Ohhh no

[@JupiterMan12.000]

40:55 I remember hearing about the Crash of Comair 5191 in August 2006 when i was just 8 Years Old.

[@robinmitchell4443]

Do they check hospital personnel and how many hours they work. I understand the father and his grieving but his comments regarding the pilot was not necessary necessary necessary

[@MrYorickJenkins]

Its not eight kilometres in the USA its MILES As for the disaster, the same problem applies to long distance coach drivers and lorry drivers and of course surgeons. A good argument against the proponents of extreme Hayek/Rand style liberalism is the need to ensure that people working with the responsibility for people's lives are not tired and are very healthy. The free market needs regulation, that's literally a matter of lfie and death. Whenever I board an aeroplane I always think to myself "is the pilot ok? no headache? not tired? not got stomach problems? not had a bad argument with his wife not getting a divorce etcetc I always ask myself that and worry about that.

[@furrybear7853]

What pilot wouldn't increase speed if that happened..

[@sanebadger8018]

If you survive an airplane crash are you more unlucky to be part of one or more lucky to have survived one?

[@doctor_elefant]

man this episode shows everything thats wrong abt the world. they did all that to combat fatigue without rly addressing why the pilots are fatigued in the first place better wages n better access to housing is the solution

[@dennisyoung4631]

Or, failing those things (say, for newish pilots) you might want to help them out by, say, providing free/inexpensive temporary housing, low cost meals in the pilot lounge, etc. Easiest way, to my thinking, is to have small rooms off of the pilot lounge with beds, a buffet or similar for food, a shower, and bathrooms.

[@tajmahal5572]

My goodness nursing job pays twice than what Pilot jobs Sad how they what more shifts low pay life's at risks 😢

[@janmale7767]

Money makes the world go round, so this kind of thing is almost impossible to eradicate,look at the truck drivers,(which i did for a while) they sleep for only 6 hours a day some as little as 4 hours , the rest of the time they are driving! If they are not willing to do it the boss finds another driver!