Mayhem! Controversy Rocks the Semi-Final! | SawBlaze vs. Tantrum | BattleBots

It's Robot Fighting Time! SPOILER ALERT for the latest BattleBots Champions II episode! In a pivotal semi-final match, an unexpected twist paired with a time dispute leaves fans in disbelief. Was it a true KO or a last-second reprieve? Did the judges get it right? Share your verdict in the comments! #BattleBots #ClockGate"
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Show Synopsis: With all the thrills and edge-of-your-seat tension of a major sporting tournament, combined with the latest in robot engineering and larger-than-life inventors, BattleBots has viewers of all ages gripped.
In pairs, bot inventors go head-to-head inside the perilous and bullet-proof BattleBot arena, with the aim of destroying or completely disabling their opponent’s machine.
During each episode, we meet the creators behind these awesome machines. From amateurs and super-smart technology students to seasoned professionals who have dedicated their lives to creating the ultimate fighting robot, find out what drives these charismatic inventors, and how they turn their visions into supreme battling robots.
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[@DDDHHytp1]

The perfect example of why you should not attack a fallen bot

[@Did_LeCouz]

Exactly big mistake

[@tacobell2009]

Their hubris almost got the better of them. Hopefully they'll think twice before taking that risk in the future

[@beatrixnino461]

Ko

[@sleepydoppy8516]

Take the win and go home

[@LuckyHandle]

And the other team was so happy as if their bot delivered the KO lol

[@Turboy65]

The best part of this match is the true sportsmanship and good humor shared between the two teams.

[@bryansummers3219]

Sawblaze is flipped and stops moving at 5:57 Ref says "gotta see movement in 5 seconds" at 6:07 Ref starts countdown at 6:16 with slightly more than 10 seconds left on clock. I think all that matters is when the countdown started. This is obliviously "more art than science", but I think most people would agree that a bot should only be saved from being counted out if there was truly less than 10 seconds remaining at the start of the countdown. Tantrum (despite their name) handled the situation with extreme grace. Very impressive and classy!

[@Koopa126]

Words can't describe how intense this was. This was the first time in the history of Battlebots that the buzzer sounded right before the knockout.

[@1dustbranch111]

Yeah that was a interesting situation

[@FullmoonEffects89]

Imagine you KO someone in a boxing match and you still lose.

[@markdswan]

More like "Imagine someone splitting your lip open and then knocking themselves out and you still lose."

[@Jimmy_Pedraza36]

Everyone is hung up on the decision but honestly the refs and or judges SHOULD have the ability to override a self inflicted "knockout" by technicality in cases like this where the fight is already clearly over and decided in favor of the superior battle bot based on points from damage and control. Especially if the match is in the last few seconds of the match. I see nothing wrong with this win situation, they just need to do a better job of writing the rules and win conditions . If anything the judge should have did a better job by starting the count down on Tantrum when immobilized so that that last self inflicted hit wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[@FullmoonEffects89]

@@Jimmy_Pedraza36 compare it to a race. If you are in first place for the first 99 laps but crashed on the last lap and couldnt make it to the finish. Do you win?

[@Jimmy_Pedraza36]

@@FullmoonEffects89 okay, but it's not a race, races are not dictated by a point system, nor do they go to a judge's decision, that's a terribly false equivalency.

[@nitrogen45]

Tantrum didn't land the K.O., the floor did.

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

Two suggestions for improvement: 1. refs use stopwatches 2. if disabled at end of fight and opponent is not, you lose.

[@alconaft4343]

or they can extend time of the fight till the KO count stops.

[@NWLee]

SawBlaze was slowly moving...

[@civilianarc9624]

​@@NWLeenot enough movement....

[@duncanbones]

@@civilianarc9624it was changed a year or two ago. ANY movement is enough to prevent the count from starting. Hence why crabwalking is legal.

[@jordhan1]

@@duncanbones okay but obviously it wasnt enough movement still which is why sawblaze was being counted out

[@vibinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

fight starts at 3:18

[@Makeybussines]

Thank you!

[@vibinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

@@Makeybussines no problem!

[@ThatOpalGuy]

watch the entire video.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

even better: Sawblaze wins...no need to even watch now.

[@vibinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

@@ThatOpalGuy your angry over timestamps?

[@jamesmolloy5350]

Man you can see Tantrum's Alex absolutely seething behind that smile 😅😅

[@TheInsultInvestor]

they got ripped off this is bs disliked

[@Davidofsmeg]

I mean he wasn't, they were literally joking about the whole thing afterwards.

[@tideofthetoucans9574]

I like sawblaze but it was immobile for almost 30 seconds. I would feel very cheated if I was part of the tantrum team. It also infuriates me when the ref can’t actually judge how long each second is hahaha, they need to use a timer instead.

[@DustinHasVideos]

The rule is 10 seconds to move or you get a 10 second time out. So you have 20 seconds for a ko. Historically the judges are extremely accurate, but it can be deceptive because tv edits. Time can be added or removed when changing camera angles. So the competition does well, but tv spices it up

[@ianfeuerhake1859]

If you enjoy the show, you gotta respect the judges. It’s hard to tell what really happened on a taped show. If there is an issue with the accuracy of KO counts, that’s something they could change for next season

[@DustinHasVideos]

@@ianfeuerhake1859 at its core this is a goofy sport (not insulting it because I’m a huge fan who has traveled to watch it live). I’m impressed how the refs do way better than boxing or mma. The number of controversies from the judges is minimal in frequency and impact

[@ryanamburgy2791]

Maybe because we didn’t want to see endgame vs tantrum part 6

[@ianfeuerhake1859]

@@DustinHasVideos yeah, but people got all bent out of shape over that Tantrum/Hydra fight

[@emp100k]

Judge started the 10 count at like 13 seconds, how does that then not end before the buzzer?

[@edwardhoulihan4917]

It was actually at about 10.5 seconds

[@JoshuaCamacho09]

That's Vegas showbiz for ya.

[@Journeyman.71]

@@edwardhoulihan4917 Which still should have ended before :00! And, in fact, the ref says "one" as the clock reads :01!

[@jahterminatedlmao5473]

bro really did "1 mississippi, 2 mississippi" in his head

[@yohanaratri7617]

The referee slowed down the moment of countdown for sawblaze, maybe it should be better for battlebots to utilize real time stopwatch to make the countdown time to be more precise

[@anorouch]

How about a giant noisy LED sign with a buzzer. Then the ref pushes one button to start the countdown, and the same button to stop it.

[@Killer_Draco]

Y'know, the KO/Countdown controversy aside... I was actually impressed at how differently this fight went from Sawblaze vs Tantrum's last match. Back then, Tantrum was able to get under Sawblaze at will, but this time Sawblaze pretty much dictated the the pace of the fight. That's how you improve for a rematch.

[@econecoff1725]

Why did Tantrum lose the ground game this time? Sawblaze often brags their forks are so sharp they scrape paint off the arena logo. Should Tantrum have more forks next time? Or just somehow rework existing set?

[@SnowTerebi]

I think longer fork also helps.

[@richardschneider4775]

It looked like they had him whupped and the ending a literal UPSET............I like the mutual respect and sportsmanly greetings shown at the end of the fight. great show this is how it should be a hair rising ending each bout.

[@meoka2368]

There's two things I really like about SawBlaze. First, the combination of a hammer and a spinner. Can do either role, so even if one function of it stops working, the other function can keep going. Also allows for more types of attacks. Second is the configurability of the front. A lot of bots have had small adjustments for matches, but nothing as notable as SawBlaze. It's a great design.

[@xoxksa]

They need a clear rule on the amount of time a bot is immobilized before the countdown starts. There's no way the refs could fix this in replay because the start time for the countdown is discretionary.

[@cleitonfelipe2092]

First the Minotaur fight and now this. Sawblaze clearly was knocked out before the timer. More improvements to the rules and technicality of judges must be made.

[@xKatjaxPurrsx]

you know.. i feel like what would really decrease the number of JDs required would be.. to just make the fights longer. 4 minutes instead of 3. it'd only increase the maximum length of a fight by 33% but it'd be an extra minute after the first 3 minutes of pounding so i bet the chance of KOs would increase exponentially and they'd only have to cut a few minutes of fluff out of each episode to accommodate it. Like literally the time used to hype and present a JD could instead be more fight time leading to KOs.

[@JeffHendricks]

I think the decision was fine. But it doesn't matter how it went, because we all know Tantrum wasn't going to take out End Game either.

[@WatermelonNoel]

I mean, every time they’ve fought End Game they’ve done better, if they drive it better they definitely have a shot, especially given how much they controlled End Game in their 3rd encounter.

[@codered9472]

@@WatermelonNoelThat is true, but given Tantrum’s performance in this fight (And how Tantrum’s armor was literally split open) I don’t think they would’ve pulled it off.

[@notimportant768]

​@@codered9472sawblaze and endgames groundgame are very different beasts, as is their driving especially since endgame has to keep their spinner up.

[@familyoftacticaldroids309]

I really want Tantrum to have that win over End Game. Just so they can say they did it finally.

[@user-sl6ql9lk3r]

they immobilized them self the re for they lost ,tantrum was clearly still mobile.

[@wristofkings]

A solid fight with a really bizarre and frankly hilarious ending. Despite the botched countout by the ref I think the judges decision was more or less correct, Sawblaze definitely had the edge in all three categories despite Tantrum staying scrappy for most of the match. I don't think anyone wanted to see Tantrum lose to End Game for the fourth time in a row, nor a Sawblaze loss to a very uncharacteristic mistake after having its opponent dead to rights. At least both teams had a good sense of humor about it--the winner annoucement post-fight apparently required multiple takes because no one could keep a straight face.

[@foulmouth359]

They should have a second digital screen for the countdown time.

[@Arkios64]

Honestly, for me the most controversial part should be that the judges somehow had a split decision on this fight. It's simple: if the rules say SawBlaze wasn't knocked out, it wasn't. Change the rules in the future if it comes to it, but for this fight that is definitive. The fight was absolutely won on all fronts by SawBlaze, seeing a split here means the judges are influenced strongly by external factors, that aren't part of the point system they are supposed to be using.

[@tfk_001]

Sawblaze undeniably had more points but sawblaze was also undeniably KO'd. Judges dont judge KOs so judges should have said sawblaze, but refs should have counted sawblaze out faster

[@duncanbones]

The judges on this show have to be some of the most inconsistent, unfair, and downright moronic in the history of competitions. The rules have been getting a bit better but the judges just do what they want and vote for they’re favorite most the time. If you want a fair fight in battlebots then make sure it doesn’t go to the judges.

[@PsychoPatrickFTW]

Honestly I'm SHOCKED it wasn't judge Lisa as the outlier. She often has the goofiest calls I've ever seen

[@Phoenixgasm]

agreed 100%

[@JoshuaWillis89]

The ref started the countdown with more than 10 seconds left on the clock. How do the judges possibly rationalize that somehow it took more than 10 seconds for a 10 second countdown? SawBlaze was KOed, period.

[@eighttimesnine]

not only was it a long delay to start the count, but the count started more than ten seconds before the bell

[@vanillajack5925]

Exactly!

[@zhefayafaiya]

Thank you very much for uploading, I hope this will be an exciting match

[@haydendegrow945]

The fight was intense! But I also know that the ref started his countdown right BEFORE the 10 second mark. It was only a miscount on the ref's part that made this so close. I say that Tantrum should have appealed the call of a judge's decision and not a K.O. due to that. Even the replays show the countdown ahead of the clock right up until the 1 second mark. I think Tantrum deserved to go to the finals and not Sawblaze.

[@mushroom_hatter]

ya it was at 14 secs

[@tacobell2009]

​@@mushroom_hatter It was ~10.5 seconds. At 6:16 you can clearly see the clock is at 11 seconds when he starts counting and it immediately turns over to 10. He counts from 10 to 1 and then says "knock out" which accounts for the last half second and the buzzer rings at the same time. They pulled up the clock at 14 seconds, but he didn't start counting until 11 and it was about to turn over to 10.

[@Jimmy_Pedraza36]

Everyone is hung up on the decision but honestly the refs and or judges SHOULD have the ability to override a self inflicted "knockout" by technicality in cases like this where the fight is already clearly over and decided in favor of the superior battle bot based on points from damage and control. Especially if the match is in the last few seconds of the match. I see nothing wrong with this win situation, they just need to do a better job of writing the rules and win conditions . If anything the judge should have did a better job by starting the count down on Tantrum when immobilized so that that last self inflicted hit wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[@whatupjack1019]

I'm not upset that sawblaze won but it is pretty upsetting the countdown didn't start sooner. Tantrum should have won by knockout, but I do also think sawblaze deserved it. I have very mixed feelings

[@SecretWalrus99]

i agree. if tantrum won it would’ve been because Sawblaze took itself out which would’ve been a hollow victory. but people are mad Sawblaze won because the ref doesn’t have a timer or stopwatch but would’ve won if they just barely moved the last 10 seconds anyway. i think this at least needs to lead to a rule change or giving refs better tools

[@Cyberguy42]

In addition to a timer, they need objective, quantitative criteria for when the knockout countdown starts. The inconsistency is frustrating

[@Jimmy_Pedraza36]

Everyone is hung up on the decision but honestly the refs and or judges SHOULD have the ability to override a self inflicted "knockout" by technicality in cases like this where the fight is already clearly over and decided in favor of the superior battle bot based on points from damage and control. Especially if the match is in the last few seconds of the match. I see nothing wrong with this win situation, they just need to do a better job of writing the rules and win conditions . If anything the judge should have did a better job by starting the count down on Tantrum when immobilized so that that last self inflicted hit wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[@Redd_Meneses]

This fight made my anxiety go 📈📈 But my god I have never been crazy over this. Sawblaze was my goated bot all time and I was so SO happy and in tears when it won the Giant Nut 🔥

[@Fishman7523]

Sawblaze was immobilized at around 28 seconds left, so there’s no way they shouldn’t have been counted out, but then again, keep in mind this is a show they’re putting on. I wouldn’t put it past the ref and the judges to fudge the rules a little bit just to create some drama, for the story’s sake.a

[@Cobrax_x]

Keep in mind that the editing could have made it seem longer than it was, when it cuts to the reactions probably added time in the video

[@Fishman7523]

@@Cobrax_x no I mean the timer on the screen actually said 14 seconds and sawblaze was entirely immobile, and although you might be correct about the editing, they were immobile for a considerable time before that too :/

[@GloryBlazer]

@@Fishman7523 I saw somewhere that it's 10 seconds before countdown and then another 10, so 14seconds+ is still very possible to not be enough time to get KO'd/ruled out.

[@adilsonnj]

Are you kidding me? This was the most unlikely turnaround and victory of all in Battlebots.

[@codster9]

Yeah. They need an actual countdown clock now. Also perhaps amend the rules to say that if a knockout countdown begins within the final 10 seconds, the battle continues until the knockout countdown concludes or the bot(s) regain control and movement.

[@user-gz1hu5px1z]

This is the best competition ,hands down. No "violence",no meatheads,just fun for the whole family. Absolutely love the commentary team.☺

[@Matticus289]

If I was tantrum and got the win, I'd feel like it was an undeserved win on a fluke. Sawblaze was clearly the better bot

[@awataraz]

except it has managed to self-incapacitate itself just by hitting the floor and then couldn't recover from its position anymore (regardless of the time available)... so to put it mildly it isn't so much better bot, honestly how on earth would it be any better if it can't even recover from an upside down position?! To me that seems to be a major design flaw in this scene... I have to admit that It seemed to be more capable for the vast majority (2min 31sec) of the round, right until it turned out to be totally incapable in a flipped over position. Could really do anything to defend itself.

[@stephenbae5297]

thank god battlebots is posting again

[@Living_Murphys_Law]

One thing you have to remember, they could have edited it so that it seemed like Sawblaze was immobile longer than it was.

[@gggamer3851]

It was edited for dramatic effect. Wasn't much controversy honestly.

[@haratofu]

Yeah they edit fights all the time to smooth over unsticks or otherwise adjust the pacing. I’m skeptical of this one.

[@dosgatosnegros]

So happy to see Yall on yt

[@jonathanf2392]

I was on the edge of my seat this entire fight cause I really wanted to see tantrum win. This rematch was so awesome, 3 minute action packed fight, and tantrum got some nice hits in near the end which made me jump and cheer. That ending was so chaotic, something we have never seen (giving me similar vibes to beta vs nightmare), but I think it was fair to go the the judges and sawblaze rightfully won. At least tantrum had a strong loss here, I'm not disappointed at all. Crazy to see half of tantrum face split apart 10:10 did the tantrum team said they will appeal?

[@lunamelody2025]

Very intense brawl! The timing of the count is what saved SawBlaze, but I personally feel like the refs shouldn't immediately say KO just less than a second after they say 1. Take for example in KOB, when the refs do the final second of the count, they do a small pause after saying 10 and then do an X with their arms, which would be a full second to show the 10 second count is over. Plus, I think something some of us saw that probably warranted the JD, was the fact SawBlaze showed some movement / slight crab walking nearing the end of the 10 count, so therefore the 10 count should've been paused.

[@Did_LeCouz]

Dont think so

[@lunamelody2025]

@@Did_LeCouz About what? SawBlaze's small movement or a signal to show a KO?

[@jamesmolloy5350]

Rule change is definitely needed, how can a bot be immobile and unrecoverable at the end of the 3 minutes, and still win... also an actual stopwatch would definitely make things much fairer than judges and refs arbitrarily deciding how long 10 seconds is

[@ryanamburgy2791]

I mean sawblaze dominated the entire fight and then virtually koed itself….tantrum did nothing

[@jamesmolloy5350]

@ryanamburgy2791 and yet, it was koed, it would have lost if it was a second earlier.

[@Linkathon]

@@jamesmolloy5350Yes, but that’s not how fights are scored.

[@studious_yt97]

Yeah a fight is scored based on the performance throughout the entire fight, not just the ending.

[@gianluca.g]

That's irrelevant because it's still not well defined when a ref should start the countdown for an incapacitated bot. A slow or fast or exact countdown won't solve this underlying issue.

[@cheythompson740]

Two amazing teams!

[@realbadger]

If Sawblaze had just left Tantrum there at the end, fine; but he re-engaged, feel over, couldn't self right, and sure, the buzzer kicked in like half a second at the end of the count, Sawblaze was KO'd. This was a monumentally wrongful decision.

[@RandoniumTJ]

I knew this was about to happen any day, and yeah it finally happened... And yes it needed to happen...

[@Jimbonner]

love your vids!!!!!!!

[@Sky-qd2mf]

Most insane and exhilarating match yet

[@JoshuaWillis89]

This decision is ridiculous. SawBlaze was incapacitated the last 28 seconds of the match.

[@WillMaletic]

So there’s two other categories. Also on damage, sawblaze had working drive but not a working weapon. Tantrum had the wedge and had some damage to the drive. While Tantrum wins Damage it’s not by as much as you might think. Also with the other categories, Sawbaze won as it controlled the match for longer than Tantrum did.

[@kurtreznor]

Wow, my feelings on this are all over the place. Sawblaze deserved the win based on most of that fight. BUT many fights do come down to a single shot KO, so a Tantrum win is all good. The problem (and I have felt this way for a long time, it just usually doesn't affect the outcome) is that the red count-out is always too delayed. The refs either need to be quicker to start count-out (don't ask for movement for 10+ seconds, just start counting and they have a 10 count to get moving) and/or stop the fight clock during a count.

[@KangasKong9944]

I think I remember reading in the rules that the refs have to do a silent count in their head after giving the warning to see movement before they count out loud

[@the_matad0r342]

I feel like Jameson should have said it was Tantrum’s victory, even if it didn’t mean a difference in the ref’s decision.

[@00X666]

What a dramatic fight ^^

[@hawaiidkw1]

I've always thought that the referee should have the discretion to declare a "technical knockout" in case one bot was clearly finished even if the count didn't go all the way to zero. I hate "saved by the bell" being a thing. If you can't save yourself, you lose, simple as that. Regardless, I doubt this situation is ever going to come up frequently enough to spur anyone with the power to change the rule to do so. I do believe that Sawblaze matches up better against End Game than Tantrum, so I guess it worked out in the end.

[@stormtrooper2170]

Truely save by the bell..👈🤭 Sawblaze: WOW..!

[@vanillajack5925]

Saved by the ref's slow countdown.

[@mr9c1driver59]

Sawblaze got greedy and messed up. Had Tantrum sitting there dead and he had to hit him one more time instead of walking away with the win.

[@ElizabethDeyaniraRamosSa-vd7tc]

Excelente video y muy útil e informativo

[@AsheCrow]

So that's how the referee manages to last longer in bed 😂😂😂

[@valentinospagnuolo6998]

Tantrum was robbed...that s a ko

[@HazukiTheWitchy]

Tantruk should go with that same wedge from S5

[@JoshuaCamacho09]

I watch Battlebots religiously now. Gather round brethren let us begin with the opening ceremony.

[@jasonhenley1985]

I think they should employ an extra time rule in situations like this, if a bot can't continue into extra time then it loses.

[@VarietyZen]

I mean, the new rules do dictate that if a bot is still “moving” then the match will not end. In MY eyes, maybe not in others’, Sawblaze was still “moving”.

[@phantominway]

How? It was fully still

[@alangerhard7118]

Always go for the hit. Hit until you can't anymore, or someone tells you to stop.

[@paparosli]

5:54 LOL

[@zhefayafaiya]

hahahah

[@teamscarletdevil6915]

2:16 Jamison: disable the selfrighter and flip it over SawBlaze: got it

[@Enterthedarkness23]

If the timer and countdown was as close as the video made it out to be, how come it was edited with 13 secs left and the countdown already started? Are we just fabricating drama at this point?

[@notpewdiepie6458]

super surprised with that battle

[@damiana5268]

Only controversy I see is this being a split decision lol. The karma swing was an amazing series of events. Sawblaze getting karma'd for taking a shot at an immobile bot and self flipping. Quickly followed by tantrum getting karma'd for taking the undeserved knockout only for Sawblaze to be saved by the bell. I did not see that coming at all, a great rollercoaster lol

[@starry53]

It was crazy at the end. I thought SawBlaze was eliminated by it was saved by a split second.

[@joecarini7863]

Cause the ref can’t count he started right at 10 seconds left almost 11 i would Feel cheated he’s was upside down for almost 30 seconds with no movement

[@ryanamburgy2791]

@@joecarini7863the rule is to wait for 10 seconds to prove it’s knocked out and then count down from 10, so it was about right

[@normfranell9158]

there was 12 seconds on the clock when the count started... ref was paid

[@dianewilliams1125]

He couldn't have left good enough alone!😮😮😮

[@markschultz4236]

If you watch the replay at 6:16 you can clearly hear the ref starting the 10-second countdown when the clock is at 11 seconds remaining. This should've been a knockout for sure.

[@laternevercame]

Tantrum has one of the best drivers. You never see such perfect purposeful maneuvers from other bots like you do with Tantrum. The judges chose correctly but Tantrum still has one of the best drivers.

[@user-fn2tr5ds3p]

Really exciting

[@andy7638]

Wow both of these bots are amazing! I usually don't like spinning blades cause if they get flipped or the blade hits the ground they tend to do a lot of self inflicted damage but both of these have articulating blades so they choose when to strike. Both bot designs are awesome but SawBlaze definitely should of won.

[@stlchucko]

There was a really long delay for the count to start. Sawblaze did dominate the fight, but should have been counted out. Not to mention the ref was counting slower than the clock… starting at the 0:11 mark. Sawblaze was saved by a long wait to count and a slow count.

[@gggamer3851]

You saw it in person?

[@ryanamburgy2791]

Bro think he mike Tyson

[@DDDHHytp1]

It was clearly the fault of the judge, he started counting very late when it was clear that he could not move. Although it was unfair since the other bot didn't do anything, but at least he didn't stay still.

[@Draggin_Tails]

There have been a few matches now that I think would have had interesting results if the timer lasted longer in every fight.

[@12packadayhabit]

BS... the countdown ended before the clock.. he just said knockout after. BB has Sloppy rules.

[@lansx42]

Save by the bell .. but Sawblaze deserves the win .. Anyway .. both teams do enjoy the game

[@whirlymurley3974]

the 10 count started on 11 seconds...

[@metal--babble346]

no extra special love for Tantrum this time. That was a beatdown

[@thesterlingstudies]

Pause it at 7:44 - As soon as the ref finished saying "one" as the clock was at 0:00.

[@AusSkiller]

Refs should start the knockout counts as soon as they suspect a team might be immobile, then stop it if the bot moves. I hate the way teams have to wait for the count to start for their opponents and are left not knowing if a count will or wont start.

[@WillMaletic]

I guess it’s time for tantrum to be handed a controversial loss (hydra)

[@larisaijumaochoa4124]

Muy bueno

[@TheZullah]

This game need more detail timer on judge countdowns

[@pts9250]

Haven't seen minotaur lately...what happened?

[@mercedesjacevedosilva9146]

In BattleBots Bounty Hunters Season 3 (2022)

[@francisqc9031]

what ??? you are upside down ,you don't move and you win ? ,ok ,thanks judges !

[@Ton300]

Deliberately started the count late. Seen others getting the count a lot sooner

[@AlmostEthical]

Sawblaze was completely dominant during the entire fight. Tantrum managed two decent shots. Jamison's final hit reminded me of Tombstone's unnecessary final hit on Bronco in WCI, which knocked out its guts and may have even cost Ray the final. Not sure of the rules but you'd think that if Tantrum appealed, then it would be clear that the ref waited a long time to start counting. Still, this probably made for a more even final.

[@Jimmy_Pedraza36]

Everyone is hung up on the decision but honestly the refs and or judges SHOULD have the ability to override a self inflicted "knockout" by technicality in cases like this where the fight is already clearly over and decided in favor of the superior battle bot based on points from damage and control. Especially if the match is in the last few seconds of the match. I see nothing wrong with this win situation, they just need to do a better job of writing the rules and win conditions . If anything the judge should have did a better job by starting the count down on Tantrum when immobilized so that that last self inflicted hit wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[@iriamnarevete7374]

Exelente

[@mercedesjacevedosilva9146]

1. Tantrum 2. Hexastinky

[@DavidMacKayE]

I agree with the outcome.

[@stevehammel2939]

If the bot and can't maneuver the game is over.

[@raptorjesus3894]

Sawblaze is really well designed and fought incredibly well HOWEVER Part of designing a good bot is designing one that cannot be put in a position it cannot recover from, it is a design aspect much the same as speed, armor, or weaponry. Sawblaze ultimately should have lost this fight because it was left in an unrecovrable position. The countdown started with 11 seconds left on the clock, just enough time to complete a 10 second countdown if counted evenly and consistently.

[@madpsycho6]

It would've self righted but hitting the floor broke the gearbox for the arm

[@gionniblood]

Invertable drive is a very limiting condition in the design of a bot. Grabbers, lifters, flippers, hammers all rely on the action of their arm/s to self-right

[@raptorjesus3894]

@@madpsycho6 This doesn't invalidate my point though, just means it lost because it broke, which is really the most common win/loss condition.

[@amyshaw893]

Sawblaze was upside down and immobile before 25 seconds. The ref started the 10 second countdown at 13 seconds. In no universe should sawblaze have won

[@digitaldeathsquid3448]

I suspect this fight will galvanise a rule change regarding the count-out proceedings. Under the circumstances of SawBlaze being "saved by the bell", I think the JD was ultimately correct, but I'm not sure if Tantrum could have appealed based on when the count-out started. I'd be interested to see what solutions are theorized. My hypothesis would be the right of appeal to review to when the count-out should have started, if it affects fights such as this when perhaps a robot should have been considered KO'd. But as with the score appeal, you get one per tournament.

[@BADISkettu]

BRO they need to check if any of the bots work i nthe end. This is so dumb that one of them is basically fully functional and other one is not, and the broken one still wins.

[@michaelmanese2228]

I really don't know what happen, all i saw that it was a Close Fight ✌️😊

[@JD-128]

What a match! This was _insane!_ I've only watched BattleBots from this KZbin channel, but I can't recall a situation like that ever occurring before. I agree with the verdict, though. Even if it was on its head at the end of the fight, Sawblaze (and Go) clearly dominated the match from the start.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

Should have come down as a tie, with a rematch.

[@kiloftd]

tantrum was unable to move and only regained mobility because sawblaze bumped it. sawblaze probably should have been counted out sooner, but the fight was theirs.

[@yuliusjauwly-de8xk]

wait. what about endgame and jackpot? the two arcade bots?

[@GloryBlazer]

This is controversial to say the least, what is questionable about it for me is that the winning bot was immobile. Ignoring the whole countdown thing, I would assume the last bot capable of movement should win, considering the whole point of fights is to be the last one standing. But there is nuance in it and SawBlaze definitely was winning most of the time so what do I know