Mazda requires $100+ subscription for remote start after filing DMCA takedown of open source program

[@delsorou]

Where ever a wiring harness is streamlined in production... where ever an actuator is made standard and activated remotely... WHERE EVER there is 12v and wiring... I will be there, not paying a subscription.

[@B.D.TRX4]

Huh ?

[@gamemaker2084]

Pigeon Man?

[@Joy-e5m4v]

Facts. If the hardware is there, I'm not paying for it

[@Joy-e5m4v]

And can anyone discuss the intrusive amounts of data collected by these shitboxes that are sold to insurance companies. Things like our microphone data, gps data, even hard braking and acceleration events. It's already a thing now, if you do lots of hard brakes then your insurance premiums go up. Wake up everyone, we are in a black mirror episode and we need to fight back against this shit

[@jeremythomasson452]

Sounds like you sell/install aftermarket RS/Security systems? I used to do this for years before I started working on PC's. We started getting Ford owners pouring in because they wanted a RS installed since Ford was going to charge them to unlock all RS features. I believe Firsttech and Directtech have options for Mazda as well. (Could be wrong, I have been out of the game a few months) It would still require purchasing an aftermarket RS system though but it either gives you the features you want/need or unlocks features like in the case with Ford vehicles.

[@Mister_Zoid]

Car Connected Services should be outlawed. There is ZERO excueses besides simply spying and scamming to make your car connect to the internet.

[@HalfwayHikes]

Government WANTS this kind of thing. They’re not gonna stop it. It’s gonna get even more invasive. This is just the beginning to the government’s ability to track and even disable your car - for “security”.

[@Anonymous______________]

On the contrary, thanks to the infrastructure bill, it will be the opposite in the future. This legislation mandates that all vehicles must have some sort of safety interlock system that's able to detect whether or not a driver is impaired using image recognition, software and cameras. In addition, the government wishes to track vehicle operators mileage. In order to do so, there must be some sort of telemetry devices that phone home for the purpose of usage fees. You can thank President, Biden and the Congress for taking away even more of your privacy.

[@kevinc7632]

And you will pay the remote start fee to pay for this privilege yourself.

[@AraCarrano]

what about long used EU reg that mandated cars have 3g onboard to call emergency services in the event of airbag deployment?

[@TheVincentKyle]

@@Anonymous______________ Well if nothing else the people of this nation have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to get loud, angry (and often very stupid) at pretty much anything. Who's up for a little flag-waving?

[@HelmutDoork]

Someone needs to start a Pirate Bay for banned OS software.

[@binhonz]

And service level management software for all makes.

[@OMNITEK]

my QbitTorrent is itching hahahaha

[@VoraciousPhantasma]

How’re you going to flash it onto your car

[@DarkEnigma1115]

​@@VoraciousPhantasma If your car is from 2007 or newer, it is remotely accessible.

[@HelmutDoork]

@@VoraciousPhantasma I don't know, but if the source code was DMCA'd, there must have been a way to do it.

[@fokker1138]

"Three year trial..." That's not a trial, that's getting someone hooked to ensure the masses pay up.

[@jeffzebert4982]

Instead, I think that the masses will learn how to construct their own cars; and will start doing just that!

[@duser]

bro my dealer gave me 3 free samples and it worked for legal reasons thats a joke

[@roycsinclair]

@@jeffzebert4982 Open source cars, choose the parts and then pay to have them fabricated and assembled. Every car is a custom car that way.

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

And I was considering a mazda cx for my next car lol Fuck that shiet...

[@BillAnt]

It's the crack of a new generation, pretty sad. smh I got a new 2024 Hyundai Elantra, and I'm pleasantly surprised that it's one of the least "connected" cars out there. Oh, and t comes with a spare tire in the truck which as been disappearing on most other cars. heh

[@LFPGaming]

im almost glad that i don't have the money to buy new cars that have this problem. my car is a 2015 model and everything just fxckin works. i almost dread the thought of having to buy a newer car in a few years and then having to figure out which car manufacturer has the least assholedesign built into their car

[@bleankdallas2924]

Being broke-ish can be a blessing. More money more problems Hehehe

[@Elemblue2]

The lowest model of the new mitsubishi outlander phev doesnt have any of there. There are still options out there. Im sure just the way that custom laptop took off, there will eventually be a car for people to opt out of this bs.

[@fishingangler4315]

I bought a 2023 Camry last year. No subscriptions, no stop/start engine Bs. Just 37 mpg and a super smooth ride!

[@UltraGamma25]

Same

[@MrSupernova111]

I bought a new Acura last year. No EV, no hybrid, and no subscriptions. I couldn't be happier.

[@spellcrafter23]

The "Mazda connected service" was something NOBODY ASKED FOR!!! it's my damn car!!

[@Commodore22345]

Yes, the car is yours, but the software used to run it isn't yours. That's what all you people fail to understand. "But they build these cars so you can't separate the hardware from the software!!!!" Yeah, you're right. But here's the thing: No one is forcing you to buy a car. Contrary to what pop culture tells you, a car is not a necessity for your day to day life. So if you don't like what other car companies are doing, then you have two options: Build your own car from scratch or learn to get along in your day to day life without a car.

[@CatWith-AHat]

Also the third option, the heads of these companies roll. ​@@Commodore22345

[@jameslopez5652]

​@@Commodore22345 easy af to get custom ecms. For any car with a year or more on the market.

[@fishingangler4315]

​@@Commodore22345yeah I can totally make my 30 mile commute everyday for work without a car. Oh yeah I can 3d print one! Thanks for the advice!

[@Mark-uk8wz]

​@Commodore223 7:04

[@gfrewqpoiu]

By now "How you are getting F*ed" should be a full series, with intro and everything. It is insane how many companies decide to just give no shit about their customers and treat them like garbage.

[@XAn0nymousX0]

I find it very hard to believe this isn't on purpose as well and agreed upon by the leaders in each industry. Because there's no competition not doing this garbage. All these companies are doing these changes at the same time. We really do need a startup who "built their own car industry". We need vehicles that are just vehicles, not computers that spy on you and have "services" locked behind paywalls.

[@scottanderson691]

As soon as they realized they have a captive (and lazy) audience, it was all over.

[@3nertia]

Welcome to capitalism ...

[@ZdrmonsterProductions]

@@3nertia yes

[@twobuck4093]

Today on "How you are getting F*ed" MAZDA!!

[@royferntorp]

We figured out how to get past the BMW heated seat thing. Power to a relay. Check engine light comes on. Clear OBD2 codes. Comes back. Your seats still work.

[@scimbrelo]

intentionally falsifying a check engine light should be a federal crime

[@legendaryzfps]

Until the next OTA update... Internet connection is required for drivers safety obviously

[@DarkForce2024]

@@scimbrelo To be on or off? I'm confused. Your check engine light can illuminate due to something as simple as a bad gas cap. I've drove cars for years with the check engine light on, typically it's an O2 sensor. You might get 0.5mpg less, but it's not the end of the world.

[@lukedolce8583]

@@DarkForce2024in many states you cannot pass yearly safety inspection with a check engine light on .

[@2buds1shroom]

@@scimbrelo Ummm... You're saying that BMW is falsifying the check engine light here, right?

[@codemonik]

Can’t wait for the first open-source commercially available car in the future.

[@thedopplereffect00]

Government makes it illegal

[@mrmotofy]

You can buy aftermarket ECU and custom program them already

[@Jeremy-eu9bx]

@@mrmotofyask the EPA about that. They have been doing a lot to shut that down in the past five years at least because aftermarket ECUs they consider emission delete devices. If you want links I can provide them. And they aren’t going after the users individually, it’s mainly the sellers. If no one sells them in a few years it’s going to be very difficult.

[@dcdc358]

​@@mrmotofywill not help in the future. At one point all actuators, relays, etc will be controlled by a microchip (which makes sense because of Can communication). First the chips will be outside the actuator so you may circumvent it. Then they will be in hard reachable places until we will have "simple" 12v DC motors for your cup holder with integrated circuits and encryption that will brick your car if you remove them.

[@shanarose3251]

"First commercially-available open source car" IT'S CALLED A 2001 TOYOTA CAMRY. Companies only need to make cars like they did even 20 years ago and we would be FINE. Busses have been running "open-source" with their own in-house repairpeople for 60 years and they've been FINE. We don't need to keep reinventing the fucking wheel.

[@perma45ACP]

I hope you know that you are one of the most Real, insightful, knowledgeable, and important channels on YT. Thanks for standing up for whats right

[@nothinglasts]

I drive a 2023 VW, it came with remote start through the key fob and the smart phone app. For about 2 months, I noticed that the key fob stopped working when trying to remote start the car. This was right around a year after "buying" the car. My first thought was that it was a year "trial" of the remote start function that expired and I was never informed about at the dealer. I immediately thought of Louis' take on these practices. I then decided to load the app which I never use and upon logging in, I had to accept not one but two new terms of service before even getting to the car information. Once there, I noticed that it was still covered under the remote start package and to my surprise, the key fob remote start button combo began to work again. At this point, I'm assuming that I needed to log back into the app and accept the new TOS before the key fob worked to remote start "my" car.

[@TheSmokeWatcher]

That is scary……. Like Black Mirror scary 😟

[@banoko]

so you are made to agree with a new contract to use the product you own? this gotta be unlawful

[@joshua7551]

@@banoko IT IS! Unfortunately, nobody has the time or the money to take these bastards to court over it.

[@clinttube]

Just to clarify, does the key fob remote start operate via direct radio link to your car like traditional systems? I'm assuming that is what you're saying, just wondering if they have an intermediated system like if it had a small cell transceiver and therefore the fob can operate anywhere in the world theoretically but has to get routed around (like the case in this video as I understand it). If they actually actively disabled your entirely independent remote start system that is range bound to your car to get you to sign TOS, that HAS to be illegal. Why couldn't they just refuse to unlock the doors or let the engine start instead? They could and eventually, they surely will. Preemptive PS Edit: I think what happened in this video (as I understand it) SHOULD also be illegal, but I wouldn't bet money on it. In the situation I describe above, I'd bet money that IS illegal already.

[@kevinc7632]

My audi has logged me out of the infotainment multiple times cause the myaudi app updated. Had to agree to tos and log back in. Last audi/vw i lease or buy. Feel like guest in my own vehicle.

[@crabsoft]

The craziest thing about this generation is the belief that software has to suck. Being old enough to remember the before times really makes stuff land different.

[@artyd42]

Fall Damage. You're all welcome that it doesn't hard crash every server in the world.

[@JH-pt6ih]

This is too true. Too many people have come to accept, "the consumer is always wrong," so even when something doesn't work like it should, the user is at fault.

[@crabsoft]

@@JH-pt6ih I think there's just a baseless assumption, in a lot of cases, that folks are doing the best they can. Like, menus that have a full second of input delay, folks will just assume that if there was a faster way they'd do it.

[@SwervingLemon]

This is as much you and I's generation fault, dude. We're the generation running the corps that are pulling this crap to "maximize shareholder values".

[@LOLHICRONO]

@@crabsoft guess their best isnt even close to being good enough

[@kevinerbs2778]

If buy isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing. No change of contract AFTER POINT OF SALE!

[@shocktnc]

Not being able to own something does not justify taking it illegally.

[@DjornNorthfield]

​@@shocktnc, if you make a copy of something, how is that a taking?

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@DjornNorthfield immitation is supposed to be the greatest form falltary.

[@shocktnc]

​@@DjornNorthfieldyou can do whatever you want to justify it in your head, I have had this conversation many times- it always ends with people being unwilling to go without something they can't own legally. I get the frustration with these constant scams and unfair business practices, but when you start breaking the law you lose the integrity that you're upset these companies don't have. I don't pretend the law is always the moral authority please don't get me wrong, but when your taking or illegally copying someones product without paying for it you are in effect stealing it. Just because you aren't actually taking a physical product doesn't mean it's automatically okay.

[@Josh-b3c]

Yeah except whenever you've already paid for it you already paid the agreed upon price they said you didn't make up a price and then give them that much and then claim to own it you paid what they wanted then they changed the rules afterwards

[@rippedtorn2310]

Look im just a dumb kid from the 90s pretending to be an Adult but why the fek do i want to control my air conditioner from anywhere in world ? Why do i want a fekin app to start my car ? Modern ''convenience'' is solving problems i dont fekin have and charging my a sub for the privilege . Utter madness . Good on you Louis for putting this out there and exposing the bullshit .

[@orppranator5230]

So when you’re coming home, you can turn on your AC ahead of time so your house is already cooled down, after letting it heat up when you weren’t there. The app is dumb though. Simple remote on the keychain with a button to do that works just fine

[@rippedtorn2310]

@@orppranator5230We already have timers that dont want paid every month !

[@Commodore22345]

@@orppranator5230 "So when you’re coming home, you can turn on your AC ahead of time so your house is already cooled down," Just leave your AC on while you're gone. That's what I do. Either that, or quit being such a pampered princess and learn to deal with sitting in the heat for a few minutes while your house cools down.

[@knightwolf3511]

@@Commodore22345 i think it's backwords so you can turn on your ac or heater before you leave for work, then you don't need to go outside, majority of cars manufactures are same way even Subaru, although there is interesting. like for new drivers or if you let your child borrow your car you can set a perimeter so it will warn you if they drive out of the area. locate vehicle is nice though Boundry, speed alart, curfew, valet mode as well tells you if your window and roof is open, notifies you of recalls, maintenance as well

[@Commodore22345]

@@knightwolf3511 Read the comments again. We aren't talking about car AC, we are talking about home AC.

[@Robotnic25]

When are we going to get a full tutorial on how to set up home assistant? Start to finish, vpn tutorial, etc... Would absolutely love that and would definitely implement in my own life.

[@mrmotofy]

Way too many options and variables. For a VPN, use Zeroteir or Tailscale for simplicity

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Need to mirror that open source app in like 100,000 different locations. Share it openly. I will not ever subscribe to jack shit. I will pirate everything instead.

[@HerbaMachina]

Perfect opportunity for torrents lol

[@connorelliott7881]

if dropshipping companies are allowed to copy-paste themselves across multiple "brands" to get away from accountability when their product kills your pet, I don't see anything unethical about copy-pasting application code across hundreds of "programs" to circumvent frivolous dmca strikes

[@animejanai4657]

Encryption for each device means each device has to be individually cracked for the specific hardware it is running upon. So no more single cracks that works for everyone. Phone home encryption will also recheck the software AND hardware for tampering and brick it by burning out a link. Only the factory can replace burned out links because it is embedded inside the chip (such things have long existed).

[@darrenlewis8297]

its been known github is not the place to go for such projects. Github is complacent in all of it

[@nunyabusiness7602]

Shiver my timbers, I be thinkin the same. Welcome aboard Matey.

[@Your-Senpai]

I love my 1997 shitbox fiesta. I'll never leave it for the car that forces me to buy a subscription to use a feature that is already installed in it.

[@connorelliott7881]

same, I love my 2017 shitbox fiesta because even 20 years after designing yours it's still such a plebian vehicle they never even bothered to put anything "smart" into it.

[@Your-Senpai]

@@connorelliott7881 viva la fiesta 🗿

[@IntegerOfDoom]

Yup! I love my nugget cars.

[@theodorgiosan2570]

I've got a 1979 Subaru. It doesn't even have an ECU. It has a carburetor and a distributor. It gets 50 mpg on the highway and I just drove it two 500 mile trips back to back with no issues. I've put over 200,000 miles on it since I rebuilt the engine. I will never buy a car made after 1990 let alone the new ones. The cars from the 70s and 80s are too good. What car can I buy now that I can carry all the tools to fix it in the cargo area? Nothing. I can get in my Subaru and drive thousands of miles whenever I want with no issues and I have done for years. I just say no thanks to any of this crap, I'll buy a real car.

[@iluvyunie]

I have a 2008 turbo shitbox that seppuku'd this year and I'm terribly sad.

[@spencer9488]

Louis Rossmann does an exceptional job exposing shady business practices. I’m glad he addressed this issue. Mazda is putting out quality vehicles at reasonable prices, but it’s disappointing to see them tarnish that reputation by turning standard features into subscription services. Shame on Mazda and any company that forces unnecessary subscriptions onto consumers.

[@leonthayne]

I'd suspect that the reason they're putting out reasonable vehicles is because they expect the subscription service to make up for any losses that are incurred from the production of decent hardware. Companies have to make more money off the car through repairs or subscriptions, because just a simple car loan or lease isn't going to please shareholders :p

[@knightwolf3511]

@@leonthayne not really decent hardware depending on what it is

[@HarryGarry-pw3lp]

And this is why I keep my old 2008 Ford Focus and a 1952 Plymouth

[@thomgizziz]

No, no it isn't and definitely not for the 1952. Stop it with the BS, at best it is a nice unexpected bonus but not the reason and unlikely to be a reason.

[@dawnpoint]

This is why I just bought a 1998 car. I’m more “connected” than ever without all the computers between me and my car.

[@juliogonzo2718]

Late 90s early 2000s I think is when vehicles peaked. They had enough tech to be beneficial but not enough to make it overcomplicated

[@MRDonWick2]

​@juliogonzo2718 same, love late 90s ram, and if you loom around that's the most driven 90s truck there is

[@thomgizziz]

No it isn't, you bought a car from 1998 because you have some emotional attachment to that specific car or you are poor. Stop it with the BS. Your 1998 car still has a ton of computers in it.

[@thomgizziz]

@@MRDonWick2 No it isn't. Is everybody here huffing their own farts? Just because you like something doesn't make it the best or most popular and just because your thing isnt the most popular or objectively the best doesn't mean that you cant like it the most. Pull your heads out.

[@juliogonzo2718]

@@thomgizziz have fun with your car payment on a new car that won't be on the road in 20 years

[@TheKinren]

Wait until the Funeral Homes figure out how to do service charges

[@xvdifug]

Eternal Care Services

[@connorelliott7881]

$20/month or grandma is getting incinerated by the Smart Coffin

[@ibelieveinjesusinmyspareti2861]

@@connorelliott7881 wifi and bt?

[@daexion]

They already do.

[@swagmuffin9000]

I mean, hospice care is a subscription scam.

[@darrennew8211]

Remember the good old days, when stuff like DMCA were there to protect copyrights?

[@tobyzilla2.074]

And now it's being used for potentially illegal practices like the abusing the patent system to kill competition like what Nintendo is doing with palworld

[@triton199]

remember the good old days, before the DMCA? lol, afaik its basically always been a tool for companies to punish people for "stealing" its just gotten worse as they've figured out new and exciting ways to abuse it (copyright trolls, DMCA takedown abuse etc)

[@SenileOtaku]

The DMCA was never there to protect copyrights. It was there to protect media corporations from competition.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

I remember better days, when there were no DMCA

[@joshhallam2253]

My wife is ready for a new car, but I'm not. Thanks to your videos, I told her i didn't want a car that connects to the internet. She agrees. I hope they still make cars like that.

[@SenileOtaku]

Maybe wrap the transmitter with a grounded mesh, make a Faraday cage around it.

[@Elemblue2]

Theoretically the new Mazda Outlander PHEV lowest model has no connection to anything and is a solid car with driving assist. You have to actually go into the shop to update the software, which is promising. Its also a low price high value vehicle. I say theoretically because MAYBE theres a sim card in there somewhere, but if it is, its not doing anything for you anywhere in that car. Theres a website that tells you how to take the sim cards out of your car. Alternatively, if you remove the digital antenna from your car you lose radio but they also lose telemetry. At least on some low model vehicles, they dont all work the same.

[@AttilaAsztalos]

Laughing in non-OBD2 compliant '94 Passat...

[@thomgizziz]

@@Elemblue2 right, people are looking for cars with no connection and you are trying to sell them on an EV... just because you have some infatuation with a car doesn't mean it is magical nor is is right for everybody. Oh and it also isn't a mazda. GTFO of here with your nonsense.

[@guard13007]

With a little knowledge, any car can be that. The most common place they put antennas is near the OBDII port, so even if you can't find a guide on how to disable it for a particular model, you can find it yourself. Disconnect the antenna, put a faraday cage around it if you have space to (even without an antenna, sometimes a connection can be made over short distances, you don't want to accidentally have a problem because you parked near a cell tower).

[@Elemblue2]

Its really nice to read this comment section and hear so many people with integrity and decency express their genuine outrage. There are real numbers. Its BS that being a sociopath is the requirement to be CEO most of the time. Someone should pretend to be one just to get up there and then turn the ship around. Ah but easier said than done.

[@thomgizziz]

"Its really nice to read this comment section and hear so many people with integrity and decency express their genuine outrage." People that push identity politics, DEI, ESG, BRIDGE, nonsense laws that makes things like this okay, and the sociopaths that are CEOs would say the same thing to people that agreed with them.

[@guard13007]

With a publicly traded company, it's illegal to do things to benefit customers if anyone says it reduces profit. It's not just that they're sociopaths, but even if a good person got there, they would be jailed for making positive decisions.

[@pupfriend]

@@guard13007 No, it's not illegal. Leadership and the board of directors have a responsibility to maximize shareholder value, but there is a metric ton of wiggle room in there to do all sorts of things that do not directly contribute to profit and companies do it all the time.

[@mattb9664]

I gave up on Mazda after the way they handled the Gen 1 Mazda6 that was made in Ford's plant. They let the rear wheel arches completely rot to rust due to a grease leak defect that was on the production line prior to the car going into the paint dunk tank. The grease spot didn't allow the paint to bond, and eventually the wheel arch would rust. They gave a $200 repair compensation if you found it rusting before the warranty was up, but mostly everyone experienced the rust after the expiration. EVERYONE's Mazda6 had rust around the rear right wheel arch. The Mazda6 was nice looking and fun to drive, but that rust is one of the reasons why you don't see anymore of that car on the road.

[@thomgizziz]

No, rust on one small part of a vehicle doesn't magically make it disappear. There are much older cars with bigger issues with rust that are still around. Stop making up BS to fit with your BS feelings.

[@MeowThingy]

You should lobby for a law that makes it illegal to knowingly file false DMCA claims.

[@guard13007]

It already is illegal, but just like wage theft, when the wealthy commit a crime, it's legal.

[@subtledemisefox]

It already is, but it's never been prosecuted. The best you can hope for is for the claimant to drop the claim and allow you to restore your video or whatever the "infringing" content was. But the onus is on the accused to prove their innocence and go through the appeals process and give away all their personal information to the claimant.

[@aadipai]

They have a "waive your legal rights away" clause in their agreement for the free trial remote start now.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

It doesn't mean crap in the EU thankfully. Facebook and Google lose a lot of money yearly for just the EU fines and that's discounting the national courts fining them to hell.

[@aadipai]

@@mugthemagpie3001 i wish NA implements the same soon.

[@denelson83]

Advocate for alternatives to the car. More walking. More biking. More public transit.

[@user-zu5do6ri6r]

@denelson83 You are ridiculous. We are experiencing social manipulation, and your response is just roll with it?

[@aadipai]

@@denelson83 you can walk across states. I will keep my car.

[@coltergiest]

How does the DMCA apply to a physical object, like a car? An object that, in all other aspects, you are free to modify in literally any way you want to, in most cases with commercially available aftermarket parts. This seems like something a motivated and competent lawyer could easily win.

[@carly09et]

No it is DMCA applies to the Standard. This has been true 'forever'. Corporations have just got better at conning people. It is the problem of regulatory capture!

[@swagmuffin9000]

Even moderate, competent lawyers cost a lot tho. This is also assuming you get a good, not corrupt judge. Personally, i would go for it, but i understand not wanting the stress and risk/reward

[@reddragonflyxx657]

Actually there's a significant issue with design patents on car parts, where companies can't make replacement headlight assemblies which look the same as the original. Plus there's trademark protection on the logos and iconic features (like front grilles), and copyright on the design of the car. The DMCA thing is probably because it's a "circumvention tool" for "DRM" protecting copyrighted software.

[@Code7Unltd]

Simple. Anti-circumvention clauses. Owning a set of ideas is a ridiculous concept and should be grounds for intellectual property to be abolished.

[@seannissen2509]

@@reddragonflyxx657 funny story. Coworker recently had an accident. Not too much damage but headlight fucked. Apparently they couldn't just pop in a new one but whole assemble... and yeah not only none they could find in stock but couldn't just make a new one. Took something like 3 months just to get a replacement headllight

[@stevepreskitt283]

Louis, as always, thanks for bringing this kind of stuff to a wider audience.

[@drwisdom1]

We have a gas insert that heats a majority of our house during the Winter. The paired thermostatic remote is velcroed to a post in the main room. Being a basic remote it can't Internet in any way. Right now that makes me feel good.

[@itrytobeanonymoustoo5289]

A double whammy, a subscription plus an attack on open source.

[@adamhero459]

It depends on what the open source is doing. I hope that the connection to the car is at least somewhat encrypted. And if so, the open source apps would essentially be hacking into the car. And if this is true, then this is not an attack on open source. Although I think it is scummy as it costs the manufacturer nothing as people who would go open source would not spend money on their app anyway.

[@SJoelKatz]

@@adamhero459 You have a legal right to hack into your own car and others have a legal right to help you hack into your own car. You can't leverage the DMCA to protect against anything but IP infringement. See Chamberlain Group v. Skylink Technologies.

[@pupfriend]

@@adamhero459 What's wrong with hacking into your own property?

[@RandomGreenFishPhone]

I bought a Mazda this year and I didn't even bother installing the Mazda Connect App when I actually read the EULA and saw there was a section where I would be giving Mazda permission to share my driving data with 3rd parties. I unfortunately can't use the remote start as a result of not allowing them to spy on me.

[@petermetro4686]

and at the same time we are paranoid of Chinese vehicles that spy on us rather than cars that ef us.

[@sebastiann9279]

Fucking scammers they out of all german cars, VW still seems to all work locally, keyless, light assist heated ventilated seats, HUD.... We live in weird times when vw-->bmw

[@tid418]

I would not accept a vehicle that even has the capability of connecting to an app. Even if you don't use the app, the car is still connecting to the cellular network and sending them information. I find that unacceptable. Any car I own must be completely and permanently severed from the internet. Cars are computers on wheels, and having that kind of attack surface is bad news even if you ignore the privacy issues.

[@petermetro4686]

@@tid418 YES ! you are correct. The consumer choice is to boycott the product or service to voice your dissatisfaction . Walk away.

[@asabovesobelow1362]

Seems like a pointless feature anyway.

[@Grulaz]

this is hard... i really liked Mazda

[@ercushkakulmetov7458]

Welcome to capitalism 😅

[@poopmeat15]

i love mine, its a shame they are engaging in this crap now too

[@Grulaz]

@@ercushkakulmetov7458 my family had Mazdas from March 2000 - November 2023

[@NostalgiaHDOS]

@@ercushkakulmetov7458capitalism > communism

[@TendieAssassin]

@@ercushkakulmetov7458 in B4 it would happen anyways government or private

[@MrPerry61]

Subaru does it too. my friend bought a new one and part of the appeal was the remote start, then when she asked the dealer why it wasn't working they told her she had to pay for the service.

[@wizkid1]

Subaru charges for remote start too. Unless you buy the physical system

[@chrisp7729]

In a time when creators stretch 5 minutes of content into a 10 minute and 1 second video Louis gives 15 minutes worth in 7 and a half.

[@micro522]

Louis is the definition of the word hero. I truly respect this man.

[@thomgizziz]

@@micro522 Do both of you need a push so you can get deeper in his backside to kiss harder? Just start shouting "notice me senpai" in hopes you can live out your parasocial relationship fantasies.

[@GandalfThePlaid]

When I bought my latest car, they wanted me to have an app put on my phone so I could try out the free trial. Told the sales dude I didn't want to bother for several reasons including I didn't trust the manufacturer to properly support a wide range of phones. I then tried to find it in the app store and it didn't show up cause they didn't support my phone. The look on the sales guy's face tickled me to death. Fob only for me buddy!

[@ventilate4267]

hyundai seems to be pretty good at making sure that only the latest 2-3 versions of android is supported at a time, unlike most apps

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

​@@ventilate4267They are very cheap about everything and being from Korea they expect you to always buy the latest phone. That country is a real world Cyberpunk dystopia.

[@erik_dk842]

@@ventilate4267 Samsung taught them

[@dzhang4459]

Should have cancelled the sale the second they uttered the word "app." I've gotten so goddamned sick of having to install shit on my phone for every goddamn thing I buy. I just outright refuse to anymore.

[@SpartanArmy117]

@@dzhang4459 To be fair you don't have to. It's a convienece feature if you care to use it. Now charging for it is disgusting. I'm already paying 30k for a car, now you want 10 a month?

[@Deses]

Man, I love my 2009 Skoda. It has an engine, 4 wheels and AC. What else do I need?

[@pabllosee]

Engine that do not consume oil?

[@Simon-ui6db]

A radio.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

Škoda was never sold in USA. 😀 I doubt Louis has ever heard that name. VW is sold there, Audi is, but no Seat or Škoda.

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

​@pabllosee I have a couple cars from that era with plenty of miles. They're great, the AC works, my heated seats even work! 😂 Edit because I forgot to answer the original question. Neither consume oil. They occasionally develop a leak but generally it's easily fixed and I move on.

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

That just means fresh oil supply brother! Row Ted! Hehe, I need to fix my vent vale causing my 11 Rio a lean cylinder one. Probably valve seats too, oil on the plugs, but that just means premix, and I feel like a 2 stroker with some white smoke ya know! Brap brap ​@@pabllosee

[@Lorentz_Driver]

As a Mazda fanboy, I no longer recognize the company. They're too obsessed with soccer mom SUV profits that they lost their zoom-zoom.

[@baxxos]

Amen. RIP the Mazdaspeed line.

[@bmichael103]

Best...show...ever! I love this show!

[@x_ph1l]

Home Assistant is great. Just installed it last week to control lighting, heating and ventilation in my workshop. All local. No need to worry if/when someone will screw you over.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Home Assistant is great. But it is for homes where there is wifi. Louis is mostly wrong about this one, the car has a cellular modem because it is mobile so a aubscription is required to pay for that at least. Cellular service has monthly fees.

[@x_ph1l]

@@Me__Myself__and__I he's not talking about connecting Mazda to Home Assistant directly (as far as I understood), but like an example of choosing your own infrastructure, instead of being tied to manufacturer's.

[@jankoodziej877]

​@@Me__Myself__and__Ithere is no reason car manufacturers do not give us a choice. I should be able to put my own sim card in my car. I have a free SIM card I could use, I got it free with my phone contract. Or I should be able to use WiFi to connect my car to my home and use that. But it's just that most car manufacturers are really really far behind when it comes to technology like this. They are in the 90s...

[@SpartanArmy117]

@@Me__Myself__and__I True but this should be a free service. People are already paying 30ish thousand for a car, they shouldn't be nickle and dimed for a feature afterwards. And idk about other car companies but on my Mazda you can't remote start from he fob, only the app. So they knew they were going to do this and decided specifically to not put it on the fob so they can completely lock the feature away.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@SpartanArmy117 Its not really about remote start. Modern vehicles use an Internet connection for a lot of useful services. That requires a cellular modem and that requires a subscription because cellular companies expect to get paid. Now since the car company is already building in-car services that use the cellular modem and an app it makes sense to put all of the ways you can remotely co trol your car in the app instead of also building out a more expensive fob communucation system that would provide less range and reliability. It is what it is and THIS is never going to change for any auto company going forward because it makes no sense to go backward, Even if some people don't like it. A car isn't some device you plunk down in your house and connect up to wifi. Louis was comparing apples to oranges. Like I said, you can argue about the price. But the fact that cars have cellular modems and as a result will require a subscription is a done deal. You can choose not to pay of course, but then those services won't work because they need a cellular internet connection.

[@PetsoKamagaya]

Dude you need to cover the Toyota GR Corollla fires and Toyota's refusal to acknowledge fault because the owner drove over the speed limit (data sent to Toyota without owner's knowledge) in a car that was advertised to be fun to drive on a racetrack.

[@feedtheagle6851]

not just advertised as fun to drive on a racetrack, comes with a complimentary track day....

[@PulledPurk]

NO MAZDA YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

[@Davidoblivionx]

My 2015 civic ex has keyless entry.

[@LouisPhilippeLebouthillier]

Subaru is doing it too :( It cost more than 300cad/year for remote starter using Subarus Starlink subscription

[@BrandtAbsolu]

I remember when remote start and remote keyless entry didn't need someone else's server to be involved. Good thing I don't drive anymore.

[@animejanai4657]

The publicity and EFFECTIVE boycott is needed to make them stop. It worked with BMW when it tried to make heated seats into a subscription service.

[@GoodOlTazzy]

tfw my 20yo BMW has keyless entry that's integrated into the door handles.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

​@@GoodOlTazzyBecause you can easily break into it?😂

[@steveout6971]

I still have that function, it is called a grandson. "Charlie, can you please open the car and start the engine?". Although I will have to be careful he doesn't just drive off one day and leave me there.

[@dash4800]

Nissan also charges for remote start. Had it for 3 months and then the "trial" ended and it became a subscription. Idk how much it is because I never even considered paying for that. But yeah, everything in new cars is going this way.

[@sparrowtail561]

Same with Hyundai. I think they give you a 2-3 year trial but then it's $100/year.

[@emenesu]

Mazda, you were the chosen one.

[@aygwm]

My 1994 Miata would love to have a word with Mazda.

[@BBonsteel]

They made a big statement about not putting in giant, distracting touchscreens on their dashboards so the driver can stay focused. I thought they were the good guys..

[@Sonny_McMacsson]

@@BBonsteel They do that so you won't pay attention to something else.

[@LarsaXL]

​@@BBonsteelThere are no good guys anymore.

[@RckyIRL]

Mazda has always been shit

[@cheliospanama9786]

Great Video! Thank you 🔥👏💪🫶

[@schmittydAU]

Home Assistant is great! I purchased a Daikin split system air conditioner last year. I got a particular model because it had a Wi-Fi adapter not knowing that said adapter was a revised version that not only doesn't have API access but also only supports their shitty app that only covers basic functions and cloud access which if you forget your password, you can't reset it, only create a new username. Now I have to either try and get the installer who installed it to supply and install an older model adapter which still has access to the API or buy a third-party adapter and have someone else replace it.

[@LiesThatBind]

Nothing new, Mazda isn't the only culprit. Chevrolet, Tesla and pretty much any car manufacturer who builds electric cars require a subscription to use the multimedia services. They are removing apple carplay and android auto in favour of Android base proprietary systems or similar systems so that they can charge subscriptions..

[@LethalJizzle]

Noticed the new Nissan Qashqai ad says "Google services free for 3 years, charge may apply after". Imagine owning a car for 3 years then the infotainment system is suddenly all "fuck you pay me". Didn't realise automakers were removing Android auto but it makes sense if it's to stop consumers using their phones so they have to pay the ransom. Awful.

[@sebastiann9279]

Those multimedia "services" in reality it probably costs them like 1 cent per person per month so yeah we can confidently say they are scammers. All subscription software services should be outlawed!!!

[@erichb4530]

Seriously? Tesla requires you to have a subscription to use your radio? Another reason to never buy one of those.

[@greatestone4eva]

@@LethalJizzlelol i started the hashtag "fuck you pay me" on ig 7 yrs ago because someone stiffed me on design work. never thought i'd see it used like this 😅. i design cars though... as i mentioned else where in the comments, lets start a car company. i seriously dream of 3d printing my own car. we can make the design open source and repairable. no stupid servers etc.

[@davidsmith7208]

It's not just electric cars

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

This needs to be a class action lawsuit, seems like bait and switch. At the same time we need regulations to stop this kind of behavior. Personally I'll rip out the cars ECU and replace it with a custom one before I pay a subscription for hardware I own.

[@drkastenbrot]

thankfully there is a pretty big market of drop in ecus that do just that

[@-Garviel_Loken-]

You don’t even need to do that, just buy some tuning software that lets you flash the ECU

[@B.D.TRX4]

@@-Garviel_Loken- then void the warranty

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

Seems like? It absolutely is a bait and switch.

[@M167A1]

​@@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodityI bottom-ozed a couple years ago, and there are disclaimers all over the thing that it ends in three years, so I don't think that's going very far.

[@reed3863]

Everyone's jumping in on racing to get to the bottom. I love it.

[@BryanTorok]

Louis, I can feel your frustration through the screen. And, you are absolutely correct, when every company is doing it, where do you turn? I'm still running MS Office Suite 2010 because I bought it and does everything I need it to do. My HP laptop has Win 7 on it because it does everything I need it to do and it is stable. BUT, our whole society is built on convincing people to buy new stuff to replace that which is working just fine, just to have the latest and greatest. And, to develop business models that get more money out of people.

[@Culvey]

Subaru has been doing this for quite some time now too. The first 2 years was $99 now its $99 per year to have auto start, maintenance reminders, notification of issues (including accident alerts), stuff like that. I wish there was a way to not have to pay an extra $99 a year just to start my car in the hot summers or cold winters. Back on my 2008 Mazda I had auto start, but it wasn't connected online, it was a key fob and antenna system that only worked from like 50ft away at best... until i got my window replaced by some cheap window shop that didnt pay any attention and ripped my antenna off then tried to hide it.

[@Cyromantik]

So happy to have a 12 year old car. She's a subcompact (kei) that seats 5, including the driver, has surprising leg and headroom for my 187cm frame, antilock, stability control, 5.1 Dolby and a horrifically out of date Navi? My car is completely incapable of calling the mothership, disabling features if I don't pay a sub or spying on myself or my family. My car is not infotainment on wheels, it's just a car.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Subcompact is not kei.

[@furyofbongos]

I'm keeping my 2016 Corolla until the wheels fall off.

[@thomgizziz]

Wow you really don't know what you are talking about and you are trying to pretend to be an expert, you should stop trying to BS other people especially on the internet.

[@frauditorsubslickboots]

Alternatively, I have a 1 year old Mercedes with every available add-on - and I LOVE it. It even made my dash 'snow' at Christmas - epic! Horses for courses.

[@Kartavya64]

In the first 30 seconds of video, Louis spoke about 5 minutes of words.

[@Allen-by6ci]

You can take the yankee out of NY, but you cant take the NY out of the yankee

[@aj.j5833]

That's a NYer for you.

[@sidensvans67]

I get out of breath just listening to him .

[@michaelgrover3443]

I thought I had it on 1.75x speed

[@PrivatePenis]

Thought he put this video on 1.5x speed

[@Ed_Stuckey]

_FUTO Automotive Control App_ Coming when?

[@aomalle]

Mazda connect has been around since at least 2016. When I bought my CX-5, they wanted me to get the connect remote start, which is an app you download on your phone. I opted for the physical hardware, a upcharged remote/key fob that they had to install a receiver for just behind my glovebox. The problem arises, that the; for lack of better word, "analog" fob doesn't have the range as the phone app does. I couldn't activate my remote start from my workplace locker room, which was roughly 80 yds away from the parking lot/my car. (apparently because the walls block the signal) I believe, you can still opt for the physical key fob, versus 100% integrated phone app.

[@RadioRich100]

Just get in the car and turn the key.

[@aomalle]

@@RadioRich100 Mazdas have push start. I'm looking for a '82 GMC K2500, so I can ditch all the electronic bs. And, the engine bay is large enough, you don't struggle to work on it. Plus, it's old enough that it's exempt from emissions testing in Illinois.

[@chrisl4999]

Fyi - in the general motors privacy policy there is a way to opt out of letting them sell your data. You can also have them send you a zip file with everything they have collected.

[@darkgtprince]

what were those old ads? "You wouldn't pirate a car". Here we are in 2024 and the answer is yes

[@peterromano1911]

Mazda is not the only automotive manufacturer that is doing this. We didn't pay for the manufacturers to spy on our driving habits and sell that data to our insurance companies either.

[@Elemblue2]

There is a website that shows you how to get the sim card out of your car, whatever the model.

[@peterromano1911]

@@Elemblue2 What website is this?

[@ChurchAutoTest]

Louis is still the only youtuber I watch that I don't need to play at accelerated speed. Packs that content in!

[@VladimirDT]

Why would you do that in general? Just watch the video normally

[@GashimahironChl]

@@VladimirDT That's like tryina get my apparently but not really constantly caffeinated young cousin to watch a hickok45 video, 10 seconds in and he's already reaching for that speedup button cause he's getting sleepy from hearing the old man talk slow, even though there is the promise of bullets flying later.

[@ChurchAutoTest]

@@VladimirDT If a video is mainly dialogue (or monologue) and people talk slowly (or you can process conversation at a much higher speed) playing the video at 1.5-2x lets you get the same content in half the time. Different story with athletics, racing, nature, etc.

[@neszero]

I legit thought I had 1.5x speed on when this video started, lol

[@SeanMullenAU]

watch the servethehome guy. You have watch him on half speed

[@LoveToRelax]

Thanks, Louis. I learned something.

[@maxmouche]

Thank you Louis for being you!

[@Doc4]

Gee, I hope no one downloaded and archived the program for later distribution 😌 (Same with those AC units from a while back)

[@partyflockske]

indeed, let's hope that didn't or does not happen... please, please .. :)

[@ghb323]

fuck yep, Reuploaded that biatch on github. 🖕Mazda

[@TWillBeer]

Thank you for talking about this. It’s fucked that they put remote start EXCLUSIVELY on a shitty app that barely functions.

[@erichb4530]

now imagine they stop updating the app for your model, or decide your phone is too old to operate your car... what a stupid world.

[@nickvaleontis4657]

Lots of respect once again.

[@jakestanbro959]

I want to purchase a tutorial from you on how to do these things!! You deserve compensation for your skills, and I would be happy to support and pay a reasonable one time fee in order to be able to do these things myself without having to begin the journey from scratch! Redirect the market spending!

[@nanoflower1]

Something that doesn't even need the server access for the features people really want. The health portion is something few people care about, but the remote start/key access is important and only needs to connect to the car, not some remote server.

[@fantasynovel5357]

Car thieves already figured this out. They can walk up to your car, hack it, open your door and then remote start it. Then they just hop in and drive away.

[@SlinkyD]

Forgot to switch atls, ​@@TheWebstaff

[@kwl189]

Only that’s a different system they’re hacking into. Keyless entry. Slightly different to remote start up function being disabled by a subscription service. Semantics to the side, I can’t wait for piracy to come back and bite these thieving corporate bastards. I still wish there was an easy way to disable keyless entry without the use of a Faraday cage to cut the signal off.

[@theodorekorehonen]

They're just copying the rf frequency or using a large antenna to make your car think your fob is nearby. It's kind of funny that modern cars have this dumb of a security flaw but when you consider all the dumb security flaws in the internet, you can't be too surprised

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

​@@TheWebstaffWhich argument?

[@jankoodziej877]

I was wondering what's the point of remote start feature, now it makes sense 😂

[@saulgoodman2018]

What server do you need to connect to. What happened to a regular remote start, that works on radio waves?

[@raitchison]

It's not clear in this case but I can speak for my own car (2017 Chevy Bolt). It came with a 3 or 4 year trial period of OnStar and when that expired I could no longer remote start using my app but I still can remote start with the key fob. Major downside for me is remote start via the app worked from anywhere in the world but the key fob needs to be within ~100' in order to work. Still useful, on a really hot day I pop out of the front door and remote start the car 15 minutes before I head out, where in the past I could do it from my desk.

[@RadioRich100]

@@raitchison Why do you have to remote start a car at all?

[@ThatAverageMTBer]

@@RadioRich100 It's useful when it's freezing outside

[@Snorlaxiian]

I think your home temperature VM situation is pretty cool

[@twopianomanGAB_D]

I would never want someone else to control my car! PERIOD!

[@rick_.]

The real issue isn't the requirement to pay for cellular services. That is only fair. The real problem is that they stopped offering keyfob-based remote start. Sure, you can install a third-party one, but how hard would it have been to keep offering an OEM version?

[@JK-ld8cd]

wait till they initiate subscription service to use your A/C

[@kipper2k]

mazda is off the shopping list

[@Bladel1965]

Sure, but what's still on it? A (non-electric) bike?

[@snowblow1984]

I am not sure what he is talking about because I did get a Mazda in 23 and Mazda connect is free. Not that one absolutely needs it.

[@Madzguy007]

Everyone's doing it/or starting to do it... I guess at this point, it's best to stick to old cars with no computers

[@erikv2540]

@@snowblow1984It’s a 3-year free trial then a subscription afterwards. They sell your info and you consent by using the Mazda app

[@chrisalley6282]

Too bad. My first car was an RX-7 and I LOVED it

[@johnqualmann]

Keeping fighting the good fight. We love you man.

[@toddhill1465]

My 2016 Hyundai Equus required a paid subscription to enable auto-start. There was no option for that on the key fob, so the app was the only way to (natively) remote start the vehicle. Of course, that no longer works because Hyundai put 2G receivers in its cars in 2016...

[@Mike-s9d]

Lol I just got this message this weekend 😂😂😂

[@hillogical]

does the fob still work or is that just app functionality? I'm curious as Jeep wanted me to install the app, but I wouldn't since I can't use remote start on stick shift. My fob doesn't even have the button. Kid trying to convince me couldn't figure it out.

[@nancyparker8363]

@@hillogicalSounds like things ended in your favor 🎉🎉

[@NostalgiaHDOS]

@@hillogicalyou can still install remote start on a manual but you’d have to leave it in neutral every time you park

[@hillogical]

@@NostalgiaHDOS Correct but from the factory, the Rubicon package does not have it included with the manual. I know it CAN be done, but that level of detail with a kid who didn't understand the concept of a third pedal wasn't something I was going to get into.

[@Makerr8]

Now who should people sue for this; the manufacturer for now charging for a feature that is part of the car or the dealership that has now lied to customers that a feature comes with the car their purchasing? Sounds to me like dealerships need to be fighting the manufacturers on items like these...

[@simonspacek3670]

Why not both?

[@frauditorsubslickboots]

@@simonspacek3670 Because the terms and conditions are there for all to read - but no-one does - and then they moan.

[@kevinerbs2778]

Section 1201 is illeaglly enacted as it voilates consumer laws of & at point of sales contract. By changing the contract after sale. You cannot change a products contract after point of sale. a After money was exchanged. Charge back on the car lol

[@flyguy1237]

"By starting this car you agree to the updated terms of service."

[@Sonny_McMacsson]

@@flyguy1237 "After money was exchanged"

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@flyguy1237 by driving forward you agreed to subcibed to brakes for later use and to forward movement subcribtion also.

[@michaelnolan1715]

@@flyguy1237 someone agreeing to TOS doesn't make the company's actions right

[@MrTheinfoman]

Even then judges and politicians have deep connections with car companies

[@danielwoolman8969]

Subaru does that too. I bought a new one few years ago and was able to Lock and start my car remotely and then after the free trial they require a pay subscription to be able to do it. Kind of turned me off from them after that.

[@Salomon_Andrade]

Sooo since I “don’t own” these, does that mean the cost of repairing these things also doesn’t cost me?

[@mattgreenwoods4994]

things keep getting worse :/

[@electric26]

Welcome to modernity

[@sonictech1000]

As an ancap/libertarian let me clarify. Copyright DMCA, and other lP (imaginary property) laws are not part of a free market, they are a government created infringement on the free market.

[@SenileOtaku]

Exactly. As libertarians we oppose the use of force or fraud in personal interactions or business dealings. This activity violates BOTH.

[@corvus8638]

Sorry no regulations allowed

[@ldsiverling]

i like mazda but their tech stuff is scummy. Especially charging $400 for the map navigation microSD.

[@susanstewart1402]

Wow, thanks for this. You really make me think, Louis. I am due to purchase a new vehicle and I don't want it polling the mothership every 15 minutes to tell it where I am, what I am listening to, and what I am conversing about.

[@susanstewart1402]

I just want a new build version of my 2004 Mazda 3 Sport .. the most perfect, reliable vehicle I ever owned in 50 years.

[@danav3387]

ONVIF compliance is how you control cameras and the manner you described

[@cashcowcommissions6790]

I will NEVER buy a Mazda or any vehicle who sells subscriptions! NEVER!

[@pooshiesty]

+1. Same with too many "smart" features. Data logging, etc. I have my phone for all my "smart" needs. My car needs to be mechanically connected to the wheels with minimal computers and sensors between

[@pvshka]

That's the catch. Soon all of them will do this. And everything else scummy they can think of. And then eventually we end up without a choice. That's their endgame here.

[@Jeffrey_Wong]

I guess you can always buy a bike

[@ZdrmonsterProductions]

@@Jeffrey_Wong ^This or just walking in the future, cars destroy the environment.

[@raitchison]

Good luck finding any vehicle in the future that doesn't offer subscriptions.

[@TimelessThetaSigma]

People laughs at me because my brand new Mitsuhishi Outlander Sport has keys, none of that infotainment stuff and buttons everywhere, and the maximum it has is Bluetooth to connect to my phone. A time tested engine and a stick instead of buttons.

[@bleankdallas2924]

I can't afford to change my 2010 Avensis yet (because Nigeria) but this is the kind of vehicle i look forward to. I drove a relatively modern honda few months ago and I hated it. We sacrifice too much practically useful things for theoretically advanced shining crap today. We've become bloody lazy. Why do you need an app for your fridge again? Oh, that's right... Technology!

[@SpartanArmy117]

They laugh at you because Mitsubishi is terrible haha, but seriously yeah that's nice. Although I can't deny I wouldn't want to go back to Bluetooth after using android auto.

[@TimelessThetaSigma]

@@SpartanArmy117 honestly Mitsubishi is just another dull brand that do dull cars and that’s it I don’t need to have a glorified iPad as a infotainment Yeah, CarPlay/Android Auto are cool, but that’s pretty much it

[@GigAnonymous]

Noted! Thank you sir, that's exactly the kind of car I'll want if I ever need to change my 2017 Ford...

[@Elemblue2]

I really appreciate the mitsubishi is still just making vehicles.

[@KeshavDaBhutra]

What's your thoughts on MkBHD new wallpaper app?

[@namename2040]

You should make a video on all of the good open source stuff you use. Like the home assistant thing, to nas stuff, a router if you've made your own, ect. Just cool stuff like that

[@MikeySkywalker]

I wish you explained the whole temperature thing more. How Are you controlling your thermostat without connecting to the internet?

[@HangOudere]

I sympathise with this alot. I'm in Europe (Netherlands) and I have 5 year private lease contract for my Electric VW car. One of the great features (especialy in winter time) is that i can go on the phone app for my car and remotely tell it to warm the interior and (if there is snow or ice) i can tell it to heat the windows to melt the ice in advance. However, 3 years into the contract, it tells me my subscription term of this usage has expired and i had to spend a little under 200 euro's to keep using this feature for the remaining 2 years. So i get there is a certain cost to provide a connection to my car and use this kind of feature remotely. HOWEVER, this is by no means made clear up front it's only for the first 3 years of the contract and secondly there is no alternative way to use this functionality. It simply is not something i can do from within the car. There are no buttons, there is no functionality in the on board system that enables you to have your car perform this functionality outside of the app.

[@2QRh6g1I]

try a 3rd party remote start system

[@susanstewart1402]

Here in Canada, you would have to choose between range and heating the interior. I am not kidding. It's dangerous in our conditions.

[@Simon-ui6db]

I for one don't want remote start. One less thing to go wrong. I'm happy using the key and putting it in the ignition and turning it like a caveman.

[@enemyspotted2467]

You clearly don’t live in a region with cold winters haha

[@oh_zoinkers]

@@enemyspotted2467or south where it’s hot af in summer. Remote start is so nice

[@zonzillamagnus5902]

@@enemyspotted2467I lived in central Alberta with -40 to -60 winters. One, I wouldn’t have a Mazda there, but also I didnt mind turning the key and then scraping Windows

[@TopiasSalakka]

​@@enemyspotted2467Remote start is the worst way to heat up a car in the cold.

[@-Gorby-]

@@TopiasSalakka Depends on your definition of "heat up" - letting it idle for 5 minutes is fine.

[@1200halo]

Subaru does this too

[@QSA10]

Honda does it also, remote start you can do off a phone app. It's like 24$ a month

[@jochedev]

Motivational speach recieved. Arigato.

[@kellybrandon1179]

Corruption digs deep down to the devils playground. Literally, corporate America's subterranean world