Mazda's MX30 EV gets updated for 2023 - price rise but no more range

Mazda's MX30 EV gets updated for 2023 - price rise but no more range
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[@ohyesitsme]

It's not all about range. Many prople drive less than 30 miles a day. OK the MX30 is not for everyone but it's a damn fine car. The quality and the tech that comes as standard leaves many others wanting. The driving experience and handling in this car it quite exceptional for an EV.. Don't diss a car until you have driven one.

[@nickd8288]

We decided to buy one 2 months ago. My wife likes the way it drives, the interior and the looks. I still have my ICE SUV but my wife doesn't do a lot of mileage so it's kinda perfect for her. I honestly like to drive it also and will often "sneak out" with it for local trips. It handles a lot better than my car with very fun agility in the city. We now have an Autel 48 Amp EVSE at home and this car goes from 20 to 90% in less than 4 hours. Small batteries are lighter and very convenient for local commutes!

[@mackan7086]

I really love Mazdas with their stylish looks and good reliance. I have to agree on this one though. Also agree on the fact they don't seem to take the EV future seriously

[@tomhudson1]

One of the Best EV channels!

[@peterlittlejohn8933]

A local breakfast TV show here in NZ is giving a Mazda MX-30 away as a prize to watch their show While losing your "beauty sleep". I think I'll just roll over and get some more sleep, which hopefully will improve my looks.😂

[@oldionus]

100 mile range is just ridiculous in 2023.

[@reecetbobby5347]

Gas prices are BS where I live and I'm a Mazda fan. I'm buying one. I drive around the city all day and can easily get by on the range it offers. I too have heard of people in North America getting 200 km of range out of them so it's all based on ambient temperatures and how you drive it.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Did they put the range extender in it? At least the BMW i3 had an optional range extender.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

About 3000 MX30's currently registered in the UK. How much are they losing on every one?

[@lundsweden]

I guess this is their first attempt... hopefully Mk2 or Mk3 will be better, I like Mazda and want to have the chance of buying one in the future.

[@igorhornak3393]

they just don't run with the crowd, thumbs up for Mazda.

[@TheDannyWinther]

Agreed. Sadly most people would rather buy something just because it's "trendy" and popular. Like a Tesla with bad build quality.

[@carlbusque1856]

I have a mini ev with a similar range. 160 km is actually a lot for a city car. How often do you drive 160 km in the city? I heard that the Mazda doesn’t drive very well.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

It's made to have a range extender, and then it's better balanced. But not in the USA. Besides, not eligible for the rebate. I might consider a used one, though, if the price is really really good. It would cover 100% of my daily drive, and we have a CX-5 for long trips. Maybe this would appeal to rotary engine fanatics.

[@The_Lone_Aesir]

Imo the range isn't the problem its the price. If the price was 10 grand it would be a fantastic deal. But over 30 grand its way too much.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

Why would anyone buy this when you can easily get a used BMW i3 with a range extender.. The last i3' had an electric range of up to 170 miles and with an optional range extender you can add another 100 miles. All for under $25k

[@ajwasthere]

This this guy seems to be anti any car that is not a tesla in terms of specs.

[@ajwasthere]

@@mamadouaziza2536 The i3 looks disgusting.

[@kipplockwood1368]

I used to see videos on KZbin where people would electrify their Miatas and then beat the pants off other cars on the racetrack. That seems like the direction they should go, make their small sports car that has a huge following an EV. I would buy that!

[@borshardsd]

Apparently the builds you refer to were getting plaid like times on the track too. Good stuff.

[@wjekat]

Sam is spot on. So why did I just order a Mazda MX-30????? Compared to a Tesla Model 3/Y, I prefer the Mazda. I only drive within a 50 km radius around a major city, so the Mazda‘s range is more than fine for me. I recently test drove both of the Teslas and the MX-30.The Mazda‘s drive is much more pleasant, very smooth for an EV, the Tesla IMHO is comparatively rough and unrefined. For me at 1.94 m the Mazda was roomy enough and was extremely comfortable. A much nicer interior than the austere Teslas. It‘s nice to have real switches and buttons for common functions, I really don‘t want a rolling smartphone. A well designed classic dashboard is a delight. Looks of course are absolutely subjective, I for one prefer the Mazda‘s styling. Best of all for me the Mazda is 30 cm shorter, for city driving this is a very big deal. Here in Germany the economics of a Mazda MX-30 are compelling. I personally prefer the auto subscription model, which basically is an all inclusive long term rental. If I look at a 12 month/10,000 km deal, the best price for a well equipped MX-30 is 389€ per month. The best comparable deal for a Model 3 is 649€ per month. At the end of the 12 months I just return the car, no discussion about residual values etc. So what do I have to lose? I pay 3000€ less for the 12 month term and get a car that better suits my needs and that I prefer. At the end of the day Mazda is probably losing a ton of money with the MX-30, especially at this sort of monthly fee. I can‘t imagine they discount the rental company is getting. Sad for Mazda, but that‘s the price of arrogance. Their loss, my advantage.

[@TheDannyWinther]

Completely agree with you! That's why we ordered a brand new one, with a lot of extra styling options and equipment, for a good deal! (Under 300k €) Recievedit in October. It is very well equipped, with excellent comfort and driving experience! We got it in Machine Gray and Industrial Vintage interior (black/brown. What colours did you get? Enjoy your new ride, and congrats! Regards from Norway 😉

[@datathunderstorm]

You nailed it! This is what attracts me to the Mazda MX-30 as well. And yes, I totally want one - it will suit my lifestyle perfectly - it’s arguably better built than the Tesla!

[@hindesite]

Transport Evolved drove one amd found it quite scary. The weight distribution went from 60/40 for the ICE version to 40/60 for the EV. That's a big deal.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

The range extender version is probably what they were designing for. It's the only one in that niche now so let's see if it finds a market.

[@FlipBoxStudio]

Transport Evolved are sellouts. Their content or “life decisions” are influenced by certain legacy auto sponsors. Same goes for that E for Electric youtuber. I wouldn’t trust their content to be unbiased, impartial, or honest. I watch all the EV focused channels. You can tell when they start to sell their souls to automotive brands and publications

[@hindesite]

@FlipBoxStudio that may be, but I was talking about the MX30 here, not TE.

[@JNow4Now]

Sales to dealerships?

[@joonglegamer9898]

One thing people don't consider even today - is how few of these that broke down (statistically in comparison with the number of cars sold), I have one, and it's the most reliable electrical car I've ever seen. Reviewers seems to keep that little detail out.

[@suryavajra]

I am thinking of getting one, myself…so wondering about your experienve with this car…

[@joonglegamer9898]

@@suryavajra best kept secret is that due to their low sales, most dealers are literally giving them away rn. It's super comfy to drive, Silly fast to charge, you hardly get a burger bite and it's done. I sat in a Tesla model x as a taxi Ride to Oslo The other day and was thinking how much less road noise the MX 30 has

[@onesky8647]

It's quite astonishing that Mazda released an EV in 2023 that is only marginally better than the 30kWh Nissan Leaf which came out around 2016. Indeed it's just a compliance car. Here's your damn EV, now leave us alone. lol

[@glenndjubilee]

100 miles is excellent range!! In 1990….

[@palm1231]

as the fall of Kodak and Nokia has been studied in business schools, the next subject will be the japanese car automakers, sadly

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Something wrong with the efficiency. It can't all be drag, maybe they need motor work. And what kind of battery do they use?? If they get enough experience to make a decent EV, they might survive. Especially if it's as reliable, stylish, and fun to drive as their ICE cars.

[@MiguelAngel-xl5xd]

The extended range battery is like 18 kWh only, just abe to achieve less than 90 km WLTP...

[@benjaminfuchs6389]

Totally agree. It is a mystery to me. I drove one of the old models for a day two months ago. It has the range of a city car, but is much too big for this sole use. The worst feature apart from the battery was the back door that you can only open if the front door has already been opened. I heard about the sustainability argument of big batteries and there is a point to it. But if you mean it as a car company, you must improve efficiency and charging speed. I would go for a smaller battery with 800V charging. I could see a use case for this, at least in Europe, where the distances between cities and countries are generally smaller. But a small battery with low charging speed for this price in 2023? My guess is they just want to make the plug in hybrid look attractive next to it.

[@skenzyme81]

There will be a long tail for ICE vehicles in more limited quantities, for the same reason gasoline golf carts exist. Mazda will persist as a niche brand focused on driving experience and being grid-independent. Though they should consider moving to small turbo-diesels.

[@airheart1]

Yeah.. Mazda.. the every mans Ferrari.. 😃😄😆😂😂😂 zoom zoom 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kuznacbendelejev6924]

What driving experience lmao?

[@The_Lone_Aesir]

Slap a 3 cyl turbo petrol engine in it and convert it to a plug in hybrid then you'd probably have a pretty good car for that price

[@skenzyme81]

Wait, Mazda sells a car besides the Miata? Who buys them? We LOVE our ND2. 🤗

[@peteglass3496]

It's bizarre they've as good as halved the battery pack with the range extender on the MX30. This makes it worse than the BMW i3 REx that I ordered exactly 6yrs ago, it even charges slower! While I switched mine for the biggest battery BEV after 3yrs, the i3 with REx and 33kWh battery holds up well even now as main city car with occasional long journey although it won't have the latest tech.

[@MG3-Hybrid]

The MX-30 R-EV is a bizarre revision for sure. Mazda keep getting it wrong with the MX-30...you would almost think they did not want to sell any of them.

[@michaelhastings6133]

Big difference in price though. The i3 could get away with it with the carbon build etc at a cost. It makes perfect sense to me to use electric power for commutes, but have the option to do 300+ miles on holiday. You also dont lose boot space like in the i3.

[@WordsMatter1982]

You'd have to have money to burn and be dumb to buy this one at 35K IMHO. If it's strictly a city only vehicle, you can buy a Bolt for less and get the tax credit (markups not withstanding). You can get a Tesla 3 for practically the same price with the tax credit and get double the range. Mazda would need to drop the price at least 10K for this to be viable.

[@rolieg81]

How did the sale associates convince people to buy one anyway? impresive con game....

[@MrSokwe]

I don’t see myself driving an Ev car any time soon until the day they can make it go 500 km with a single charge.

[@Noah_E]

The range differences are confusing. Typically EPA is 11% lower than WLTP ratings. You can hyper mile anything, but driving like a normal person in typical conditions you should expect 20% less than EPA ratings. WLTP verges on fantasy.

[@acemanfrog]

Thanks, Sam, for another great episode! Don't know what to think of ICE mfg being a solid capital investment for the legacy dudes...seems, like Toyoduh (sic), Mazda has mis-read the tea leaves...Even a common person with an IQ> 50 should NOW know that price parity between ICE/EV is here. Now. Yup, let's go buy a Nokia phone...i hear you can get a good deal on one. Thanks, Mate, for your wit and wisdom; a seldom found combo. Know that your family are in my morning prayers, Mate.

[@simonreeves2017]

Hi Sam, I have mixed feelings about Mazda. Back in the 90’s their 323 and 626 models were excellent cars, well made and with good reliability, I’m also really fond of the MX5 (Miata). However, the MX30 looks like it was intentionally designed not to sell, as if to prove a point, so much is wrong with this design - Mazda could have been agile enough to make an amazing EV, and they have a loyal customer base to tap into - opportunity lost there Mazda!

[@greenith]

I wouldnt be surprised by that. When i did a test drive of one back in March last year, the guy showing us the car really wasnt into EVs, and it looked it was there to show someone what an EV would feel like, but then show them a "better" car that wasn't an EV. Add the range, the pricing etc and it just further feels like it was intentional (as you mentioned). Big shame, as i also liked Mazda cars.

[@WordsMatter1982]

It feels like all the Japanese brands build EVs to persuade people to not buy them.

[@ajwasthere]

Ok so you are anti-city ev? 160km range is fine the price is not. I would be fine with less range but the cost needs to be reduced as well as the battery is the biggest cost in the car.

[@Y2Kvids]

Looks huge for city

[@ajwasthere]

@@Y2Kvids first it's not huge but second it really depends on the city Rome probably a bit big Melbourne or Dallas it is just fine.

[@viskovandermerwe3947]

I would love to buy my first EV as soon as they get the batteries to perform better than ICE can. I have tried to understand which are the best batteries but the whole thing seem more than confusing. Here are some of the batteries that scientists have discovered so far: Lithium-ion batteries, Fluoride batteries, Graphene sodium-ion and graphene aluminum-ion batteries, SLA (lead-acid) batteries, solid-state batteries, Sodium-ion batteries, Nickel & Manganese batteries, and many more. They are ALL winners, but with their own unique draw-backs. Which one do you think I should buy? (Not all of them are in production and for sale yet).

[@erik5820]

I'd say you don't by the battery, but the car - with it's range and fast charging (CCS) speed as two important features. Modern EV-batteries are way better that they were 10-15 years ago in terms of how long they live (expect a 1% (only) loss in range or so each year). From someone who has owned a EV for 11 yrs living in a society where 80% of all new cars are EV's.

[@TheDannyWinther]

@@erik5820 Må være norsk du da 😅 We bought a new MX-30 a couple months ago for a very decent price, and are very satisfied so far. The range is enough for the relatively short trips we do, and we have a home charger. What the MX-30 lacks in range, it makes up in comfort, driving experience and equipment 👍

[@RacingAnt]

​@@TheDannyWintherif the MX30 was 2/3rds the price, it would sell. In NZ, it's the same price as a Tesla model Y.

[@TheDannyWinther]

@@RacingAnt I can see that. We bought ours for about 27k Euro, with Premium Package, winter tires, sunroof, Bose, rubber and cloth floor and trunk mats, protective entry list with lighted MX-30 logo and all the trimmings!

[@frankcoffey]

I wonder how much was spent on developing and producing the MX30 EV. Considering the production numbers how much of a loss is that per car? I'm thinking they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars per car, not including future warranty costs. That means they are losing more per EV than Rivian! How do they explain that to investors and lenders?

[@BobLee-sf6mv]

That is love

[@user-fz3dh2nm3s]

Good quality car

[@kuznacbendelejev6924]

Sales numbers speak for themselves

[@dancheb]

Yes and no. They only made about 500 of them and only sold them in California.

[@callumcurtis15]

I don't know about other markets but in the UK you can pick up a 2 year old Mazda cx-30 with low mileage for less than 2/3 the Price from new and at 3 years old half the price . Which to me just shows how limiting that low range is for people to price it that low trying to get rid of them.

[@michaeloreilly657]

Excellent option for older people and parents of younger children on the school run requiring higher seating than a Model 3.

[@Mabeylater293]

Higher seating? I guess that’s important when you’re out of charge on the side of the road.

[@ajwasthere]

@@Mabeylater293 Why would you be out of charge dropping the kid off at school? What fairyland do you live in?

[@WordsMatter1982]

@@Mabeylater293 why would the car be out of energy if it's strictly a grocery getter/kid wagon? Now spending 35k for such a car is strange, but that's a different argument.

[@gtm559]

In Europe we have dacia it's the cheapest ev with 200km max range and 20000e I afraid that mazda will not succeed

[@TheDannyWinther]

How can you compare the quality of a Mazda to a Dacia?!

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

R. I. P. ⚰️🌹Mazda...

[@moreybrown870]

"the MX-30 is representative of the direction of the Mazda automobile company". uh.... down?

[@pradeepmagan6951]

except South Asia, Africa, South and Central America - they are years off going electric

[@mamadouaziza2536]

this car does not qualify for the tax credits

[@SeanJ2A]

I've rented a BMW I3 with 70 miles range and if was miserable. With this type of range Mazda would need to come in at about $18-22k just to be competitive.

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

What's not to like about the MX30? Poor charging experience, poor range, poor OTA software updates, poor efficiency, poor performance, poor value, and poor safety when compared to a comparable Tesla. I am okay with Mazda being the first of the legacy automakers to go out of business later this decade. Actually, they will probably be bought out by the Chinese.

[@TheDannyWinther]

Poor safety? So 5/5 stars in EuroNCAP is "poor safety" now?? Ok...

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

@@TheDannyWinther The safety is not as good when compared to a Tesla which has the top ratings in ALL safety categories. Tesla has the highest safety ratings of all time. Could that family have survived Devils Slide in a MX30? Nope.

[@TheDannyWinther]

@@tomdrewenskus8167 That may be, but that certainly doesn't mean the MX-30 has poor safety. And Mazdas at least have good build quality, which can't be said about Teslas...

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

@@TheDannyWinther If Tesla does not have good build quality, then why are they the top selling car in many countries, and why do they have the highest owner satisfaction ratings in the industry? Tesla also has the highest repeat buyers percentage in the industry. Their 3M+ owners must think the quality is good, or perhaps they just don’t care about quality like you and I do, even though they are spending $35k to $140k for a Tesla.

[@DannChewie]

Less than 160km in range for $65k+..... seriously Mazda? What you smoking?

[@ralaneu]

Having tried one, this is in mho very good looking car, interior feels premium and is nice to drive. But the range is a joke? Mazda argues that you don't need range in city car you can charge daily. Well this is a BS. For one you might have to skip charging because of very bad weather, electrical prices, or your schedule. 160km is more like 120 in winter with heating on it really limits the use case, for this car. Forget even short roadtrip. Such a shame mazda.

[@TheDannyWinther]

Owning one, I can tell you it does around 150-170 km in winter time, and should be able to do around 200 km in summer time. For most people in cities and suburban areas, this would be plenty of daily range.

[@user-fz3dh2nm3s]

My friends mazda is not in trouble. Tesla is.

[@NukedAbe]

eSoul smokes that shit

[@TheDannyWinther]

...and looks like shit

[@AmiGanguli]

I'm fine with the range - perfectly ok for a commuter car. But yeah, at that price, there's no way. We're looking at a Chevy Bolt for a cheap commuter, and that starts at $26,500. The Mazda would need to come in a few thousand under that in order to be competitive.

[@RyansTechReviews29]

it needs to be under 15-10k. Chevy bolt is way better.

[@nicka2256]

Mazda still sells a car worth driving…MX 5 Miata. An affordable electric drive roadster needs to be a thing.

[@cbbgenki4315]

I am driving the mx-30 gas type now...and exchanging it for the ev-r. I love the car. China EVs can not be trusted. They catch fire easily, electrocute the driver , brakes fail and have bad service record. Tesla is a plugin ev so there is that battery charging anxiety and tension.

[@enriqueali]

Good riddance to Mazda. ... they saw the writing on the wall clearly enough. But chose to ignore it, who knows why... 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@FlipBoxStudio]

They didn’t ignore the EV market. They just didn’t take it as seriously as they should have. Just like most of the legacy auto industry has.

[@virtual-viking]

The specs are worse than my 8 year old VW E-Golf.

[@db-mp2of]

Honda E, looks better, and is a perfect City car, small, overpriced, short range, but at least it has style

[@hindesite]

Much more expensive than Atto3, and far less range. You'd need to be braindead to think this makes sense.

[@emoney822]

History tells us that if you build it some one will by it

[@arthurgadz646]

Hope Mazda could develop a very good EV soon.. At least they now have experience on EVs..Im expecting their next EV to be much better, one of the better car maker in the world..

[@davidrennels7843]

It's a design prototype for years from now when batteries will have several times the energy density. So at least they have otherwise decent engineering started today unlike many bigger competitors. They cannot afford mass EV production at a loss. So selling a future based EV design with limited sales to gather some market feedback (recalls, wear data, user gripes) is what little old Mazda can afford till the legal need and technology catch up in time. Otherwise flamboyant sales numbers now will sink them.

[@hindesite]

Dreaming. This is an ICE conversion, not an EV concept. Mazda are just straight up being lazy.

[@kuznacbendelejev6924]

EV design? Ok dude

[@wa7215]

Never, Ever, Underestimate, human STUPIDITY, Sam, I thought you would have already known that, by now..! 🙄

[@chriauc2976]

Madza is rust bucket canadian east (biggest population) dont bother buying them. Man they decompose to bits Heh!!

[@chrisborns5972]

500 employees

[@GregHassler]

Exactly, dealers are probably buying these for their wives because they can't sell it to anyone else.

[@dainispozins4172]

No, no and no! I wouldn't buy this "thing" even if it would be very cheap! The MX30 EV is based on completely outdated EV design concept, inherited maybe from 2011/2012...

[@FutureSystem738]

Mazda, Toyota, Nissan, (Subaru) - they all Kodaks, and have lost the plot. Bye bye.

[@ubermenschen3636]

Underwhelming.

[@joewilder]

Similar to a Kia Soul EV.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Looks a lot nicer.

[@NukedAbe]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Haha are you joke?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@NukedAbe Last purchase was a CX-5 instead of a Soul. She wouldn't even sit in a Soul. You either like them or you don't, I guess. We don't.

[@NukedAbe]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Cuz she is old..

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@NukedAbe They're ugly little boxes on wheels.

[@linuxxr]

i dont like those stupid trap-me doors,,ya make a few thousand crappy evs- write off billions

[@jimmydeneus7109]

Tesla making history 2025

[@nigelweir3852]

Love it the car that drives like dead fish

[@mrclarke2u]

They could give it to me for free and i would still not want it. I’ll be depressed just looking at it .

[@FriedChairs]

Is it me or is the interior, specifically the dash, dated?

[@TheDannyWinther]

@@FriedChairs You mean classy and luxurious, and not filled to the windshield with screens?

[@RyansTechReviews29]

Looks very ugly. If I had one, I'd wake up depressed every morning just looking at it. This won't even last one commute for me and most people. 100 miles epa, but real-world range I bet all my money would be less than 90 miles. Most people who live in suburbs and commute to big cities for work will need more range. My commute from Riverside to Santa monica is 65 miles one way. My workplace doesn;t have chargers. I would end up stranded on the road. This ev would last me one way, but I won't be able to make it back home lol

[@idonotcarenow]

The Mazda MX-30 is a joke.

[@actualfacts1055]

Overpriced heap of junk MX30 and CX30.

[@gladeous4161]

No thanks. I like my money more.

[@RWBHere]

The MX30 is, and always has been, a compliance car. Mazda don't want to sell it, so they make sure that it's no good, and set a stupidly high purchase price, ensuring that only the uninformed (I'm being charitable here) will buy it. Let Mazda die in peace. Few will miss them.