MBDTF VS TPAB | Free Smoke

[@NFRPodcast]

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[@Marko-nh3dn]

@@yeaahhyeah988 no, gkmc vs logic under pressure

[@pipeyagrangran5771]

@@Marko-nh3dn logic not in the same league 👎👎

[@deebo3618]

Lute just dropped his album Goldmouf, y’all should review if y’all have time 👀

[@bryankahl3514]

Y’all should have made 2 votes, 1. Who won the debate, 2. Which album do you feel is better. I feel MBDTF is better but Ant won the debate. So much so that I’m going back to relisten to TPAB now. Wasn’t low end theory a jazz hip hop album BTW?

[@justlove9750]

Kanye got this bro 😆and I love Kendrick

[@tvdurdurs554]

They're barely comparable, MBDTF is like a beautiful painting while TPAB is a beautiful piece of literature.

[@realkaygrand]

Spot on

[@chrisman3431]

Right

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Stolen

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@@sads7999 Just reposting it, I don't really remember where I saw this from but it fits

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@@tvdurdurs554 mallory brod i think

[@derekmatthews2213]

This might be the greatest verzuz between albums yet.

[@Marko-nh3dn]

NWTS vs blueprint 3

[@NFRPodcast]

Hope ya'll enjoyed it🙏

[@M360-w6o]

Watch Mallory bros; MBDTF vs TPAB

[@MultiZachary23]

@@Marko-nh3dn nwts wipes

[@Lordprettyflacko69]

@@MultiZachary23 L

[@nicksummers2016]

To defuse some of the tension at the end each member should have one minute to complement the opposing album/song/topic

[@NFRPodcast]

Fun idea!

[@johnnyjohnny5092]

@@NFRPodcast that’s honestly such a good idea

[@tobiasbarkley2281]

Nah I like when it’s heated. Adding that in between will ruin the energy. Compliments at the very end

[@tobiasbarkley2281]

@NightGolem L

[@husaanshabendri4331]

@NightGolem okay fine we know, you don't need to comment it under every reply

[@inkosi7679]

Mbdtf gives me goosebumps when i think about the how the album was made, the setting, the release and the ultimate redemption of kanye west that the music provided. None the less 2 great albums. Great video guys!!

[@scifinerd17]

The greatest comeback of any music career ever

[@chrisman3431]

@@scifinerd17 Some might Mariah Carey's The Emancipation of Mimi but it's up for debate I would say in recent memory

[@jeremiahpeter9616]

this is the most heated I've ever seen both Luca and Anthony be over music both had valid point. Just shows you the Level of Kanye and Kendrick

[@NFRPodcast]

Hope you enjoyed the video🙏 who won the debate?

[@malhaarkashyap2031]

@@NFRPodcast anthony

[@qaqtix6700]

Lou

[@Whodnl]

This is gonna be a classic a banger of a series

[@NFRPodcast]

Daniel knows what's up😤

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@NightGolem im the tyler king

[@lamonragland6433]

I love these!

[@hoodietheentertainer884]

@@NFRPodcasthe turned out to be right🥹🐐🐐🐐

[@SivadenXbaka]

Yall got me hyped up with the back & forths that went down during this debate! On the edge of my seat the whole way through. I'll re-watch the video then vote! "All Eyez On Me" vs. "Ready to Die" for the next debate?

[@SivadenXbaka]

@@GrandEnzo That makes alot more sense. I really hope they do this idea for the next episode!

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love Sivade we appreciate it🙏 a Biggie VS Tupac debate is needed for this series!

[@Rob_M_8]

I’d say Life After Death would be better for All Eyez On Me. 1. Because of the double album like the other guy said. And 2. I just think Ready To Die is quite a lot better, both classics but to me there’s a gap in quality

[@mrsolodolo33]

@@Rob_M_8 You're mad What gap in quality AEOM > LAD

[@diegoarmijo502]

“How is it not even comparable” lmfao these guys started so quick

[@cgrchopstick5773]

Taking the greatness of both TPAB and MBDTF into consideration, imagine how good a Kendrick and Kanye collab album would be.

[@buggyfr8447]

Ya bro like NMPILA was already super good imagine a fucking album

[@lunchtreyy]

Bro Ye production and Kendrick lyricism. Would be the greatest album ever

[@parkermudsen1063]

@@buggyfr8447 I think the universe would explode if they made a whole album of NMPILA level artistry.

[@Kyle-fq4kq]

Personally I think Collab albums are overrated, Watch the throne was great but Jay Z and Kanye have both made several individual albums that were better than watch the throne

[@IPIRIEY]

@@Kyle-fq4kq The first 2 years that watch the throne came out, it was the main buzz, everyone thought it was some GOAT shit. The only issue is the album was "of the moment." Amazing at the time it was released, but doesn't age well like each of their solo records are more replayable. They just made an album in the theme and style of everything hip at the time, and did it better. Also a bunch of singles like Mercy, Clique and so on were the buzz around that same time.

[@leroymlambo]

If you want a production masterpiece you go to MBDTF. If you want to be taken on a proper story in an album, you go to TPAB. Depends on what you prefer as a person

[@NFRPodcast]

What does leroy prefer?

[@jackperson2236]

You can hear a shockingly obvious abrupt vocal cut within the first 30 seconds of So Appalled

[@scifinerd17]

@@jackperson2236 I read that Swizz Beatz said he hated that vocal cut in the song, but Kanye like it so he kept it in. The little imperfections like that add character to the album I believe.

[@bradleyknoll6420]

Tpab production is better though, in all aspects of it

[@classact526]

@@bradleyknoll6420 for real

[@btorres5x]

Love both albums but I find myself going back to MBDTF a LOT more often. Lu has a great point about it being a more accessible album.

[@aldrianspalding4157]

just cuz u visit it more often doesnt make it objectively the better piece of art, cuz thats wut music is, its art, and artistically TPAB makes MBDTF look basic, and im saying that fully aware MBDTF may just slot in as a top 15-20 hip hop project of all time, and is kanyes best written work but TPAB is the greatest hip hop album of all time, and there is no question, Illmatic is a good contender, but nothing comes even remotely close other than that.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@aldrianspalding4157delusional. It’s not to 2O. It’s the greatest rap album ever. MBDTF is the greatest artistic achievement in rap. It’s TPAB that looks like an ant in quality and artistry in comparison. MBDTF fuses much more genres and is extraordinarily grandiose to a ridiculous extent. It’s the much better album in every aspect. All Kendrick’s album has is more focused on an overarching narrative. And that narrative is as basic as can be. Kanye creates something truly unique and brilliant in the topics he discusses.

[@VVooshbait]

That's the problem with writing tho. Ofc when something is deep and complex, while also being coherent and moody it's going to be harder to listen to. But that doesn't really say anything no? Just because something is moody doesn't disprove albums, we are talking about ALBUMS as ONE PIECE, not their songs individually. I personally find TPAB more replayable literally because it's moody, that makes sense to me, you are supposed to feel it in your soul, not just get hyped up in yo ears. Similar to deep and complex tv shows, other shows might generate more hype consistently, but something that's actually vastly emotional, moody and in the end all makes sense will make you feel more grateful for watching it instead of the other one.

[@Gubelclashking]

Tpab also has songs you can listen to on a daily basis in it, it’s just not quite as popular as mbdtf but it clears

[@nickbrittmusic]

I was thinking “damn I wish I could moderate.” Then you said “Nick is moderating” and I was like “oh shit!!” 😂

[@NFRPodcast]

The irony😂

[@IRunOnCoffee95]

This was so sick, well done both of yous. Both are brilliant at putting across their views. I do prefer MBDTF but TPAB is also amazing . Both of yous are 🐐

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love!

[@gabi.padilla]

Love the passion. Hope y’all get a beer after lol

[@wakleemthedream7232]

True that 👌🏻

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Thanks for looking out😂

[@maxmoss7925]

You guys are such legends. Always indicating the chanel and actually make relatable content. There are not many channels where I watch every video and remain engaged from the beginning to end. Thanks guys, please keep it up

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love Max!

[@saffron6597]

Their both top 2 hip hop albums of all time for me and amazing in completely different ways, Kanye's artistry is based on his situation and unravels what happens when you reach the highest point, and Kendrick's artistry is based on the conflicts within his inner thoughts and being black in America. Kanye's production in MBDTF is absolutely amazing, with the using the voice distorter to muffle his voice in tracks like Gorgeous and Runaway was genius, and having one of the strongest 9 track lineups I've ever seen. Kendrick's voice changing to present a different prospective was also genius, the funk, soul, and jazz combo in the album complimented the storytelling of the album so well and there will never be an album as unique as this for a really long time. Both albums impacting so so many things, MBDTF impacted hip hop as a whole and cemented its place as an all time great album, TPAB impacted society in America and cemented its place as an all time great album. This is only a small list of what each album has done and it all comes down to what you value in music, if you value lyricism, sequencing, and storytelling over grand production, you probably will like TPAB more, and if you like the grand production with the more digestible rapping and top tier features then you'll probably like MBDTF more.

[@smoothedspoon1302]

this might be my favorite video you guys have ever posted, 2 great albums, 2 great arguments

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love!

[@dantv517]

Tpab is insane. The creativity to be able to put that whole album together and make it all work is otherworldly. Mbdtf is great but my mind is boggled by the creative headspace kendrick must've been in when making TPAB.

[@Ethan_Stephens]

They are both immensely creative in their own way, they are just so creatively different that it’s difficult to compare

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

Kendrick fan spotted.

[@macicoinc9363]

I don't feel that way at all. The album and its story to me is completely shock and awe. After the first one or two times listening to it, you've gotten most of the impact from it, and from there, it diminishes with every listen. The only two songs I go back to are the very end of Mortal Man and How Much A Dollar Costs, which is one of the greatest songs ever made. Even the 'hits' on the album are bland to the rest of his hits. I'm not one to appeal to popularity, but in this case I think it is warranted. The streaming numbers don't lie TPAB is one of his least listened to albums, at least in terms of total plays. Despite it being claimed by so many to be the greatest album of all time and so hyped, it's very listeners appear to not enjoy it as frequently as other projects of his. Popularity and retention do not necessarily imply better art, but when it is at this level, one has to start questioning whether the ideas were that good from the get go. The best comparison I can make is a jump scare in a horror movie, yeah it gets your heart racing and scares you, but it isn't good horror. After that one moment, the effect is essentially gone and the initial feeling is almost impossible to replicate. Really gonna piss off some people with this next part, but I also feel like a lot of the songs are extremely overrated. Especially U, which I think is one of the worst songs he has ever made. It is so tacky and in-genuine to me that it almost seems like it is a parody.

[@dantv517]

@@mrmxyzptlk8906 Sherlock Holmes spotted

[@dantv517]

@@macicoinc9363 While it’s not his most hype album it’s got so many thematic layers and an incredible soundscape. It’s crazy diving into the deeper meaning of every song. But I respect your nonsensical ramblings ❤️

[@thelyonking5812]

Damn I don't even know which album I like more. These are both 10/10 projects so its hard to decide which perfect project is more perfect. Love this series, amazing job. Would love to see you guys debate more classic albums.

[@thoonalia]

Foe me tpab is a 10 and dark fantasy is like an 8.5 to a 9 I prefer ksg as a project tbh and think its a 10 ( and no not just cuz fantano)

[@Prodbyjah464]

@@thoonalia whilst twisted fantasy is a 10 I agree that it’s not his best 10, call me weird or whatever but I think yeezus is a 10 and Kanye’s best album to date.

[@madsandreasen5905]

The production on these 2 albums are incredible just like on this video you guys did a great work with the editing😄👍

[@bigroddempsey4082]

Twisted Fantasy was a piece of art but man.. TPAB is a one in a lifetime record. EASILY the pinnacle of what a rap album can be imo

[@knwn645]

You nailed it.

[@dampford516]

this comment gave me chills

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

Fantasy is what the peak of a rap album can be. Not TPAB, TPAB was a regression if anything.

[@simanolastname2399]

@@mrmxyzptlk8906 bait

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@simanolastname2399 truth.

[@presleygoodfella8185]

This is a great idea …. I’m glad to see you guys try to innovate the channel .. we appreciate it

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for recognizing that Presley🙏 we're always trying to think of new ways to keep ya'll entertained!

[@DaryllJosephHUgpo]

bro it's fun seeing you guys actually argue with each other cause most of the time you guys are on the same side. I rate this series heavy lmao. do off-season vs call me if you get lost next lol btw to pimp a butterfly all the way..

[@JoseGarcia-fv6tm]

awesome, we’re gonna need more of these 🔥

[@NFRPodcast]

Much love Jose🙏 your suggestions are always welcome!

[@andrewcantrell6773]

I love the emotion behind your guys arguments

[@NFRPodcast]

Thanks Andrew we appreciate the love! Who won?👀

[@nish8399]

@@NFRPodcast hmm imo mbdtf has the edge but in terms of these arguments ant won

[@alejandromarmolejo13]

@@nish8399 yeah Luca’s arguments are always horrible

[@DavideP55]

Fuckin Awesome series boys! 🔥 The tension in the room legit had me on the ground 🤣 You each bring out very valid points and I love the transparency that comes to light during these debates! Awesome work to you three and hoping to see way more of these! 🔥

[@churrovalentino3768]

I know what two albums im listening to tonight at work. but MBDTF takes it 🔥

[@sheikhirfan1191]

I agree with the fact that MBDTF is more versatile and has a song for every mood… No doubt it is the album of the 2010s decade 🙌🏻

[@NFRPodcast]

Much love to you Sheikh

[@shoreZ]

So does tpab lol

[@denisjon6873]

@@shoreZ No it doesn't

[@XXXplicitNames]

@@shoreZ nope

[@Flamerunner451]

MBDTF also has Blame Game and Hell of a Life, both worse than any song on TPAB. Hell worse than any song on GKMC and DAMN. too

[@CosmixxSlopShop]

Both masterpieces goin at it 🔥

[@seananih7609]

I gotta give it to TPAB. While i still think MBDTF is a masterpiece, I literally heard half the damn album in a different form weeks b4 it came out because of GOOD Fridays. TPAB hit me all at once and was an experience, while MBDTF was a slow burn that got refined to perfection.

[@amandareaza1979]

i loved this. everything about it. i personally cannot choose one over the other but the argument yall both put up was great and so intense to watch. also you both j talk so smoothly, i love it.. all around so great.

[@light-feathered6972]

Most heated debate/discussion on two albums I've ever seen with actual facts stated and not just purely relying on subjectivity, it was quite close but I feel like I'm giving the edge to Ant as his arguments in favour of TPAB are just on a whole other level. Loved this debate so much!

[@mthokozisindlovu4566]

Both these albums are so incredible 🔥🔥 great episode

[@NFRPodcast]

Appreciate the love!

[@janmarcosss]

17:55 this had me dying😂😂😂”what album again? ohh that’s right everything just went silent there“

[@lane.serene]

Mannnnn, this was great. Greatest content on KZbin right now.

[@NFRPodcast]

Thanks Lane, awesome interacting with you on nearly every video🙏

[@yungbukten]

This series is soooooooo fucking dope!!! You guys hit the jackpot with this idea!! I love the debating!

[@avinash7156]

This would be so hard to pick, its like picking either a piece of literature or painting. Thats the words i can think to describe them.

[@jennav2063]

perfect way to put it.

[@NFRPodcast]

Great way of describing them!

[@KingGrippy]

On God. Deep down the writing is more beautiful but from a standpoint anyone can look at a painting and say it's beautiful. It's different types

[@deividaspupelis1280]

Guys I've been following you since March because I'm a passionate music and hip hop lover in general. I'm happy to see how you shape this channel with all types of themes to entertain a viewer. Big kudos from Lithuania lad's

[@sbonelophungula5856]

What an episode. Really awesome guys. It can get quite to hear your points when you rebute. It’s quite difficult to hear your points when people are cutting each other off. And it can get pretty personal. Could I suggest this structure: Project 1: 2 Minutes Project 2: 2 Minutes. Project 1: Rebuttal 1 This is where the speaker for project one rebutes the other other speakers points he made on Artistry, Production or Impact. Project 2: Surr rebuttals. This is where the speaker for project 2 rebutes the points made by the speaker by project 1 in there rebuttal. This could really make it easier to hear each of your points and for the listeners to digest.

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the feedback🙏

[@uziD2]

Most underrated hip hop Channel keep up the good work this series is gonna be insane

[@justlove9750]

My beautiful dark twisted fantasy is pure art 🎨 sonically , visually and artistically ( the dude made a whole movie ) , from a huge Kendrick fan. I respect both artists

[@johnnyrojas18]

Dam this was a great video to be introduced to this channel. Felt like Red Hoodie fell into playing Anthony's game during the rebuttals, there is no way you can deny the societal impact TPAB had. Give him that point, but also bring up how TPAB brought a sub genre to a surface, while MBDTF influenced the whole 2010's. Brought forth the sounds for Yeezus, TScott, influenced The weeknd and 100% brought back the idea of art and concept albums to rap. I was screaming at both of yall at the end though cause both albums definitely top 5.

[@mitchocran]

TBAP bro. I still remember how floored I was when this Kdot wove in the poetry segments through the album, to reveal it as a conversation with Tupac on racism and wealth inequality at the end. Pure genius. It tied the album together in a way I didn’t expect at all.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

Window dressing for a shallow message is “genius” to you? 😂

[@mysterion866]

how tf is it a shallow message?@@mrmxyzptlk8906

[@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070]

@@mrmxyzptlk8906I like kendricks music a lot but I don't get the TPAB praise at all. Especially the "message" bullshit, the albums themes and message is very surface level. Not that that's a bad thing, but kendrick fans say anything to make kendrick look better.

[@imgonnatellmom3245]

Still boring as fuck

[@ryankramer913]

@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070what would be a deeper message to you, because the album has so much more than just that one theme as well

[@ViRalTwiist27]

I can’t wait for this series 😂y’all have some great arguments I can’t tell which album is actually better

[@NFRPodcast]

Glad you like the series Adrian🙏

[@pglang1820]

Please don't let the money & fam break you guys apart. Dont let anything get between you guys. You guys can go so far man

[@roanyosky9918]

This is already a classic🙌🏾❤

[@NFRPodcast]

Thanks Roan! Who won👀

[@sethclaiborne3999]

I love MBDTF a lot and I loved the Good Friday songs that lead up to it. Especially with the BET Cypher that had everyone dressed up in suits with the Runaway film on top of that. But I connect with TPAB a lot more because at that time I was dealing with heavy depression being in the environment where it was nothing but my people killing each other. And tbh I can’t say this about any other album in hip hop but TBAP saved my life. It helped me from committing suicide fr. The transition from “U” to “Alright” alone is fucking insane. Mortal Man bro? “If I respect you we unify and stop the enemy from killing us” I still get chills from listening how that album ended.

[@je933]

Mbdtf is like looking at a beautiful painting and TPAB is like reading a beautiful poem

[@NFRPodcast]

I like this outlook, I'm assuming you prefer TPAB?

[@je933]

@@NFRPodcast I know I got the k dot pp but I’m mbdtf all day

[@IvanKulin]

Guys, watching you getting so passionate about this, tears me apart in my own head. Those are my two favorite albums and artists and choosing between them is impossible. Does make for great content though!

[@bool2max]

MBDTF for me on this one, but I absolutely love the tension and the arguments in the video

[@thesoulingredient06]

This debate could go on forever, love these kinds of videos

[@NFRPodcast]

Which debate do you want to see next?

[@lesh4815]

These two albums are arguably in the top 2 of the 2010s. Personally, TPAB takes it for me.

[@thaidixon3852]

Objectively tpab takes it lol but appreciate the humbleness

[@kero2962]

@@thaidixon3852 there is no objectivity in music lol, i think mbdtf is better in every way but im not saying its objective lol

[@C0BY77]

They are the top 2

[@NFRPodcast]

Great take! What are your top 5 songs from both albums combined?👀

[@C0BY77]

@@NFRPodcast 1.Runaway 2.U 3.Devil in a new dress 4.How Much a dollar cost 5.Alright

[@jeankirstein3841]

You guys are both well versed in your arguments... definitely my favorite debate video I've ever seeb

[@free55]

I LOVED THIS! Dudes are tackling the real issues 👏👏 and the passion is great as well. MBDTF for me, but TPAB is amongst the tippy top.

[@Saki-ef2qe]

Great content guys. Loved this vidoes. This yt channel is criminally underrated.

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love

[@saki62677]

@NightGolem Ant won

[@SirCHRIIS]

This is y’all’s best video 🔥🔥 need more of the debates expeditiously

[@NFRPodcast]

Aye that's a nice compliment🔥 which debate do you wanna see next?

[@fashionitjobert]

this is gonna be the best series on youtube. I loved every second of this video!

[@duno6552]

TPAB is 100X better after the second listen. I thought it was weird and not that great until it got to Mortal Man. I wish I could get that feeling all over again when I first heard the ending of Mortal Man and it transitions back into Wesley’s Theory. It’s almost like that ending sets up the entire album even though it’s at the very end.

[@abelpaez2802]

L

[@ericramos1916]

Fs. Hearing how much a dollar cost and blacker the berry for the first time is crazy, and hearing the way he ties all the songs together on mortal man is even crazier.

[@levisperling138]

@@abelpaez2802 you kinda people always leave an L and can’t bring up a single point as to why an artist or album is better than another

[@malcolm.4909]

could even be a symbol for how the conditions kendrick speaks on in the album are cyclical and always start again

[@despa7470]

@@levisperling138 100x, nah, runaway alone washes

[@paulogdmg]

I have these types of debates w/ 1 of my friends all the time & they get just as intense lol. Great debate, guys. Points were made. I have to say though that TPAB is the better album, in my opinion, because of it’s sequencing, performance by Kendrick, subject matter & impact. MBDTF is an amazing album but it’s honestly never been my favorite Kanye album. TPAB might be the greatest rap album ever, to me.

[@isaacjv235]

Fantastic takes on both sides. Agree with both. MBDTF more impactful musically. TPAB more impactful socially. Love this type of video. You guys should do Take Care or NWTS vs GKMC

[@Matthew-dw2ju]

Gkmc wipes both

[@Beens5G]

@@Matthew-dw2ju not nwts but it beats take care by a very small margin

[@AJXO-30]

I can agree with this.

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love! You think Drake has an album on GKMC level?🥶

[@isaacjv235]

@@NFRPodcast I personally think TC or NWTS can compete 😬

[@stevenhernandez5904]

Love the content you guys the only ones that have good content and talk about great rap albums and songs I know imma love this series already love from Maryland USA

[@blaketdrums]

so appalled is my favorite rap song of all time, i think taking single songs from mbdtf, it has the edge, but as a full project there is nothing like tpab. also if you combine jazz and funk and live music with kendrick's storytelling and message you have won me over

[@michaelferdinard8194]

I love this channel man. keep up the good work, you guys have introduced me some dope hip hop projects and artist. I got into hip hop because of how much i loved MBDTF

[@TheRulerRoderickSutton]

The structure of “Butterfly” gives it the edge over “Dark Fantasy” for me. Also, Kanye sometimes adds songs that would otherwise be best left out and uses questionable features. With “Butterfly”, there were NO flaws. 🦋 FOR THE WIN!

[@Flamerunner451]

Blame Game and Hell of a Life should automatically make it worse than TPAB anyway lol, those are weird listens

[@simeonstan5843]

@@Flamerunner451 these two obliterate momma, you aint gonna lie and complexion. you a clown

[@abelinks5146]

that being said tpab > mbdtf, just barely

[@micahdibiaso9362]

@@Flamerunner451 it’s so obvious you don’t understand the album as a whole if you think those songs don’t match it

[@Flamerunner451]

@@micahdibiaso9362 that doesn’t make the songs sound good tho. Like they’re not bad but they’re not even close to the level that the rest of the album is on

[@SinclairJugular]

This video is amazing, more of this series ASAP

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the love! Which battle do you want to see next🤔

[@keitwr]

TPAB needs time still to see if its impact is as huge as MBDTF. But I don't think that it's going to win either way, Kanye's discography has proved to be the most impactful ever so far and his magnus opus definitely proves so.

[@brendanpeahl7055]

@@equzia7524 rolling stone named MBDTF the 17th greatest album of all time in 2020. But TPAB is at 19! So they’re both great and recognized. But something to keep in mind, is that we wouldn’t have TPAB without MBDTF. And we wouldn’t have all of the great risk taking albums in mainstream hip-hop or the mainstream in general without MBDTF. Edit: Also if you look at mainstream hip-hop prior to MBDTF, the most significant albums generally focused on crisp production and phenomenal lyricism. Then post MBDTF, hip hop albums tend to focus less on an MC’s skills and more on elevating the genre to new heights, with more experimentation, emphasis on overall artistry rather than strictly skills on the mic. For example, an Eminem or a Jay Z are top notch MCs, where a Travis Scott or a Tyler the Creator are going to have more hands on approach to the craft of songwriting in hip-hop form. And that has to be credited to MBDTF. TPAB is a byproduct of MBDTF, yet influential in its own ways.

[@frankalmanzar3492]

@@equzia7524 as a diehard Kanye fan, I think TPAB might be more impactful but the song runaway aged as one of Kanye’s best song or one of the best songs of all time and that was in mbdtf as long with songs that were probably as good as that one. So that’s one way mbdtf was impactful. But Kanye’s nickname should be “impactful”.

[@Prodbyjah464]

Umm I’m fairly sure tpab was an instant classic for a reason

[@Greymtn1031]

I watch a lot of music reviewing / music topic channels and you guys is definitely up there. Su much fun and different content. This free smoke segment is fire

[@grizlins]

MBDTF got me through so much man. It’s literally impossible for me to even say TPAB comes remotely close to it. However they’re both great in their own way. Top 5 most iconic hip hop records ever, and they’ll probably stay there for a long time.

[@JacobTeubner]

Indeed they are. Both are iconic classics

[@ohnojojo19]

i listened and loved tpab before mbdtf and i think tpab can’t touch it

[@johanliebert7267]

@@ohnojojo19 cap

[@ohnojojo19]

@@johanliebert7267 stg

[@Anti548]

@@ohnojojo19I feel the opposite, but to each their own 🤝

[@throwsomenuggzonit7613]

bros this was incredible. we need more of these. this is good content. respect to both of you.

[@johndesv]

Best rap channel out for sure. Who else is doing this??

[@NFRPodcast]

Aye J D thank you brother!

[@wanno7203]

BEST NFR VIDEO!! loved the concept, omg I was biting nails and whipping on my chair holy shit this was tense

[@nnnnnn496]

MBDTF is a one of a kind epic. The lore behind the making of it. Ye's redemption arc. Ye has said that MBDTF is not boundary pushing as Yeezus or 808's and that it was a project to pacify the fans, critics and to reaffirm his standing and his legacy. To architect a project like that, being fully aware of all the impact it would have and making choices according to that, Is a level of self awareness that is, for a lack of a better word, undoubtedly Genius. A song like Runaway fully showcases those ideas. His agenda to push the boundary, his eclectic taste, his unapologetic awareness of his ego, and how the media and people perceive him to be. And how often that can get his ideas lost in translation(the outro). We can all agree that we have trouble understanding ourselves and our place in the universe. Individuality is hard to realise. MBDTF is Kanye West at his most self aware. Simply him opening his eyes and looking around fully aware that he is Kanye West and people's idea of him as Kanye West.

[@MrFL1P3R]

Hilarious video guys. Can't wait for whenever the next one in the series comes out

[@duvhatshifularo2316]

TPAB takes this for me. I think it's in the top 5 rap albums of all time while MBDTF isn't quite on the same level. Both are albums that can't be replicated tho. they are without a doubt timeless classics

[@vickylove9824]

This is exactly how I pictured this conversation going. Both are so good❤️

[@aqhamaqoma2477]

Vicky, I would love to exchange numbers with you.

[@DDub04]

TPAB is my most listened to album. But you have Wesley’s Theory & King Kunta & Alright & The Blacker the Berry vs. Power & So Appalled & Devil in a New Dress & Runaway. That is a mighty lineup.

[@schoolspirit2751]

Replace so appalled with Dark Fantasy

[@DDub04]

@@schoolspirit2751 eh I like So Appalled more.

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

None of those Kendrick songs even compare to those Kanye songs dude, seriously. Runaway alone washes.

[@justrandomthings8158]

@@mrmxyzptlk8906 if you’re putting power over any of the four listed, I don’t think you factor in the actual words at all lmao. Like production wise I guess but… everything else?

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

@@justrandomthings8158 Are you stupid? Power is considered one of the greatest songs, period. And it has brilliant lyricism and memorable punch lines unlike Kendrick. “Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it, I guess every superhero needs his theme music” Kendrick has nothing even close to as incredible as that line.

[@baberich0]

hey guys, awesome idea. the mallory bros did this in a more casual approach but it's awesome seeing this done in the way presented in this video. personally, i have both tpab and mbdtf in my top 10 hh albums and the level both ye and kendrick were on is outstanding. as for the video itself, i thought it would be dope if the times were extended a tiny bit for the topics and rebuttals alike, as well as there being an indicator that you're close to running out of time. it's in its early stages for sure and i can't wait to see where it goes from here, great work guys!

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the feedback, it truly means a lot to us Alex🙏 which album do you prefer?

[@gokulkrishna2021]

Bro MBDTF is really good,it got its impact but it cant be compared to TBAP its miles ahead of every other albums out there.PERIOD.

[@Simba000]

I love this. I love this channel and thank you

[@crax-55]

MBDTF is probably the greatest rap album of all time

[@gavatundejr4986]

Fr. Its just beautiful Music

[@josephc5116]

No debate

[@soraph-eljudaking4045]

One of the greatest albums period. In any genre

[@jackperson2236]

Except not at all in any means, it’s not even Kanye’s best

[@josephc5116]

@@jackperson2236 shows how good his catalogue is, you don’t even consider it his best.

[@matthewdidomenico4138]

Also wanna say that I’m a huge fan of the channel and the work y’all do!

[@ill-nois2282]

I see TPAB as more of a social commentary, I feel like this album will have historical significance and it’ll be talked about in college classrooms. Kendrick crafted some incredible music. It felt very grassroots with elements of jazz and west coast hip-hop, deep lyricism and higher level thinking. MBDTF is a work of art, Kanye’s creativity on 100. The rollout leading up to MBDTF and execution were all on point in the making of that album. Ye perfectly crafted the cinematic visuals to go along with the grand scale production quality. I think you guys made some great points in this debate, you could go either way.

[@linkthastink]

I love your guys content but this free smoke concept is my favorite and it's genius!

[@JacobTeubner]

MBDTF is like a piece of art and TPAB is like a piece of literature.

[@bazchaz]

Loved this, you always put the content first but love seeing you both getting into a heated debate

[@NFRPodcast]

Appreciate the love Liam🙏

[@qaqtix6700]

To say tpab’s production is better is insane

[@mohamediq1969]

real 😭

[@bruklamar4997]

I'd say more impressive

[@knwn645]

Amazing vid boys This was actually intense AF! I was dying when yall started to cuss at each other Lmaooo

[@vinzentcordova358]

I love them arguing😂😂

[@MP332-j6r]

Love this need more great content like this keep up the great work guys

[@NFRPodcast]

Thanks Mason we appreciate you🔥

[@sillenEAST]

Can't believe that buddy got away with saying "well the features were SO meaningful on mbdtf" when hes debating against TPAB - not a wasted breath on tpab but yeah, two albums that are amazing for their own reasons, when you get two albums that are so good in their lane, its pretty impossible to say one is objectively better.

[@sillenEAST]

"kanye says so much by saying nothing at all!" "you think the lyrical ability on tpab is better????"

[@sillenEAST]

by 17 minutes im pretty sure red shirt has never heard TPAB

[@coopmac2331]

This def one of my fav NFR vids, you guys killed this.👏

[@NFRPodcast]

Thanks Cooper🤝 what should the next free smoke debate be?

[@shreepach7706]

This is so entertaining. Please do more like.. idk, biggie v 2pac or illmatic v the blueprint

[@NFRPodcast]

Thank you for the suggestions!

[@smartybabytv5547]

This video flew by! Great job guys as always

[@ashtonmorris6288]

Love the passion for the art from these guys. If either of you see this, there is a podcast called Dissect which breaks down the meaning behind hip hop albums song by song and they have a full season dedicated to each of these albums. Highly recommend checking it out!

[@chrisscanlan8819]

Great debate! I’d probably prefer it better with no timer and talking over each other on rebuttals. Entertaining none the less!

[@styleformen7535]

This is the most heated respectful debate ever

[@NANA-ql2sh]

Oh shit its here. been hyped since you guys announced it on the livestream

[@danielramos2092]

I honestly thought they where gonna throw hands at one point.

[@NFRPodcast]

Stay tuned for the next free smoke episode... things might escalate!

[@abombs5]

I’m so excited I love this new concept