MBT Reacts to Kohdok Reviews the Yugioh 2 Player Starter Set

[@Kohdok]

19:20 - "What are these? Tokens for ANTS?!" 20:10 '` "And Traps". Hand Traps with "And" in their name.

[@XCATX25]

Ant Traps

[@akira8393]

It gives me headache how the guy in the reaction tries to look smart but keeps putting on clown nose on himself 🤷.

[@partymantis3421]

Oh "And traps"now i see, (you enfasized the D so much it sounded like a T) Thats actually pretty good, im adopting that term for shure, its better than "ghost girl" since that doesent apply to some of them, and distinguishes them from maxx C, mulberry & even the OG handrap kuriboh! Great review BTW

[@NitroNEXT]

​@@XCATX25 Pretty sure he meant Aunt Traps (with an American pronunciation). Ant makes no sense in context as they aren't insects

[@Team-Eclipse6024]

BTW a friend of mine recently bought me the two-player starter set because he considered it marginally better value than buying the single zeus.

[@Elzette_of_the_White_Forest]

Pretty accurate. Definitely a better price for what you're getting considering you get a bunch of other cards(even if they're not amazing).

[@ropesnake]

my friend bought a zeus from my lgs recently, and the guy running the store cracked open a two player starter set, handed him the zeus and tossed the rest

[@Takanuvaa]

I wanted a Zeus but i don't pay more than 30 reais per card and Zeus was about 90 reais, I bought the starter set to get Zeus and also tried to teach a friend how to play the game with the remaining cards, it is indeed a better value than buying the single Zeus

[@lucarioknightb7685]

Hey, there's like 3 other playable cards in there.

[@IC-23]

I bought the 2 player set to teach my friend but mine had 2 zues structures (no synchro) so while I couldn't teach ny friend I did get double zues

[@maxinesenior596]

The ONE thing this set did was reduce the price of Zeus to that of this set's MSRP.

[@pascalsimioli6777]

Which is irrelevant to a new player, it's a new player set for established players who know what the hell a Zeus is.

[@braxtoncomix]

I met this guy way back in the day in person during the OG Bakugan days. He’s always been super critical of what he reviews but always has good intent.

[@Ragnarok540]

Being critical is never a bad thing. I think he was critical but also fair and honest in his assessment.

[@Dragonmist19X]

I think more people should be critical of things with good intent or simply of things they enjoy. I'm going to trust a person that pans something they love more than someone who's never played something and praises it.

[@nmr7203]

Thats highly debatable.

[@nbassasin8092]

when it comes to most Yugioh products, theres no amount of criticque that is too much. One of the saddest and hardest pill to swallow for most yugioh enjyoers, is that we have THE best card game, stuck in the hands of one of the WORST and GREEDIEST companies out there, that is also super lazy on top of that

[@cbbblue8348]

​@@nbassasin8092 i would also argue konami is the least ambitious company out there. Sitting on Yugioh ip theres like so many potential than to add only 1 summoning mechanic every 3-4 years. Yes yugioh can be complicated but atleast expand it and make everyone attracted to it.

[@bobhouses2036]

The craziest thing to me about the started deck is that they don't use archetypes. The entire game of Yu-Gi-Oh revolves around archetypes. We don't have combo agro control, we don't have red blue black white green, we have archetypes. Imagine the box gave you two separate archetypes that you could familiarize yourself with and learn the combos, then maybe take that archetype to an actual game. Just reprint sword soul or give them invoked, or make new simple archetypes that are playable for them to explore. Because with these decks, not only are they a bad introduction into modern Yu-Gi-Oh, but once you want to try an actual event or locals, the deck you were given is complete trash

[@nbassasin8092]

or, hear me out... Konami finally sotps being the a""holes they are, and make it more than 2 separate archetypes, and make like 4-5 different decks that you can choose from to learn mechanics and different types of decks, all of them having different cards and different style of play (some of them being combo, some control) Yugioh could make such an insanely cool beginner box, filled with value and entertainment for people, that could also make them profit, because instead of having 90% profit from the few idiots that buy their product, they could have like 60-70% profit, but from insanely larger number of iditos that would buy their product if it was worht buying Konamis philosophy with yugioh has always been how can we squeeze the most money from our low sample size that we have, instead of actually broadening their reach and profiting less, but from much more people, and Ill never ubderstand the reasoning as to why they are doing this

[@michaellyons8329]

I bought this to teach my wife's 7 year old cousin how to play plus I needed a zeus. And when I say this is for new new players. I mean players that don't even know what a normal or tribute summon is. The deck don't even teach how to fusion, link or thankfully pendulum summon(the little step by step comic even refuses to acknowledge pendulum summoning)

[@jmurray1110]

Give an archetype deck and a pile deck showing both make synergy and type synergy

[@pascalsimioli6777]

@michaellyons8329 which means this isn't a ygo 2 player starter set because it doesn't teach you actual current day ygo. Give that to 2 new players and then send them on Master Duel to play a modern day deck and let's see what happens.

[@salad72057]

Man they could literally copy Magic and have two archetypes as the decks. Like this could also help push low powered decks that they're using as pack filler or just older archetypes in general.

[@SloopYGO]

15:50 tbh they coded in several misplays. probably the worst one, which ive had several people who had NO EXPERIENCE with the game point out, is at the end where they force you to crash so you can make zeus instead of using giga brilliant to boost your monsters and get over the opponents prime heart with rabidragon and then you could still make zeus. its a bit awkward to be like "ok so i know this play sucks but just trust me"

[@garlicxlr]

Was that so ZEUS could use its effect twice?

[@dimmusdongus6596]

Kohdok is a KZbinr of a dying breed but his commitment to the 2010s quirked up gamer video makes him a true artist

[@philgoad5587]

His 7 sins of tcgs is great

[@HoboBrute]

I bought it mostly for zeus, but damn they missed the mark. Also, twitter thread idea, build a better 2 player starter box

[@rafi...___]

imo, just put 2 control deck or top tier decks before covid. like giving them guru control teaches them normal,special,tribute, and flip summon. also, the deck gives the idea of handtraps and floodgates.

[@grodon909]

The thing that baffles me the most about this product is that it would have cost them literally no money to make the card pool better, and may have saved money if they shortened the script. I'm perfectly okay with the first couple turns going over the basics, and they are super kneecapped because you can't include any searchers or the script falls apart. But even with those restrictions, I feel like it would have been simple enough to make a more themed deck to give the deck a semi-coherent strategy, and more expensive cards just to boost sales.

[@acidgolem2132]

Doesn't mbt already did that thread

[@nbassasin8092]

Great idea for discussion in general Not that its hard to make better beginner box that KoMONEY, but Id like to see hw creative people who actually love this game, unlike the company that owns it, can get, and what cool designs they could come up with

[@Kohdok]

I mean, an example of making it snappier: Player 1 sets Bitron, Player 2 plays Lajinn and crashes into Bitron, Player 1 summons Garnet and swats Lajinn. Player 2 learns about Effect Monsters by summoning Cyber Dragon with its own effect and wipes Bitron, Sets a Flip monster with their Normal? Player 1 Sacs Garnet for Summoned Skull and swats Cyber Dragon. That's every major combat type, summoning, effect monsters, + Special Summons in just 5 total turns. The big challenge is that you cannot use a card with a Shuffle effect in a scripted tutorial like this, which prevents a lot of the "Yes, and" combos from working.

[@olliezoop]

I bought this product to play with my wife, since she's always been moderately interested in learning the game. We played with the decks a couple of times, and the biggest issue is that even if you get comfortable enough with the way the game works, the power disparity in the cards between each other is such that you'll draw hands with a spell, an eldlich, and 3 vanillas, meaning the games are slow but really really sacky and unfun, since you really have no way of outing zeus once they draw it. We eventually just started playing goat.

[@pascalsimioli6777]

"I really want to learn ygo and by ygo I mean a very specific way to play the game while we ignore the fact that isn't the game anymore" really good game design there.

[@aaronman4772]

Seriously why can’t the TCG just import the Tactical Try decks and make them into starter tutorials. The Cydra one would be so good. Can retool it with maybe a few more simple cards to start with, but you can easily go from normal summon to battle to special summon and ramp up into two or three different kinds of extra deck types. Then the deck would also include pretty much a normal cyber dragon deck that with a couple enhancements would be playable in a locals environment. Like imagine you bring in the Cyber Dragon and Eldlich ones. Player 1: Cyber Dragon starts, and normal summons Cyber Dragon Core. Uses effect to add Cyber Emergency to hand. Can then activate Cyber Emergency to add Cyber Dragon from deck to hand, and end your turn. Note there are also two other Cores in hand, to show how many cards you can run, along with a Nachster and a Herz. Player 2: Draw for turn, normal summon Necroworld Banshee. Go to Battle Phase, have Necroworld attack Core. Go to Main Phase 2, and set, maybe Scarlet Sanguine. Player 1: Draw for turn, it's a Polymerization. Since you control no monsters, Special Summon Cydra. Then normal summon Core, and add a Cyber Repair plant from deck to hand. Then you can highlight how Core says it's a Cyber Dragon, and in your Extra Deck you have a Cyber Twin Dragon which requires two Cydras. Activate Poly, summon Cyber Twin. Then, highlight Nachster and Herz's synergy, by activating Nachster to discard Herz to summon it. Herz and Nachster then activate allowing you to add a Cyber Dragon from deck to hand, and Nachster can special summon the Cydra you used to Poly earlier back. Can then proceed to battle, using Cyber Twin to attack Necroworld Banshee. You then attack again, but that's when Player 2 can activate the Scarlet Sanguine, allowing you to summon out Eldlich from deck in defense to block. Player 1 doesn't have a monster able to defeat Eldlich, so you end the Battle Phase, but you also don't want to just leave your two guys out there, Eldlich is so big. So instead you teach to link summon off into Sieger, since it has a special "Quick Effect" which can help protect. In just an exchange of 3 turns (Or if you wanted to break it down even more, separate the Twin and Nachster/Herz turns into 2 with another Eldlich one inbetween) which should hopefully follow simple steps to build on, you teach: Normal Summon once per turn Monster Effects both Activated and Persistent Spell Effects Searching/Shuffle Rules Setting and Activating Traps Special Summoning by Monster, Spell, and Trap Effect Basic Rules of Combat 2 Extra Deck mechanics

[@skyrimlover777]

That would assume the TCG gets a good product that doesn't require the secondary marker, Konami would never do this since they hate the TCG.

[@theghostcreator776]

That would require changing the decklist bc it has Maxx C which would take EFFORT :((((((((((

[@kaison12205]

Kohdak someone who’s bakugan reviews I watched as a kid is now being reacted to by mbt the guy who’s yugioh content I now watch

[@xalkuszockerpro726]

I got the two-player starter set, and I have to admit, it was partly for the ZEUS, but curiosity was the main reason. This is in my opinion not really a starter set, but a stage play set - the comic book is the script for it after all.

[@Jimbo139]

Kohdok is goated honestly. I wish someone would reupload his bad vanguard video though .

[@geek593]

He has a real hate boner for anything related to Bushiroad after that video. He whined obnoxiously about Shadowverse Evolve for things he praised in other games because it was a collaboration between his hated Bushiroad and Cygames.

[@gabrielfeldinger6533]

the vanguard video is why i cant listen to anything this man says

[@mohammadmurie]

What was said in the vanguard video and what happened?

[@gabrielfeldinger6533]

@ his vanguard video talked almost exclusively about the anime as opposed to the actual game, but also he only talked about the first season 5 years after that season ended Basically he said “yugioh the game sucks because yugi attacking the moon is stupid”

[@mohammadmurie]

@@gabrielfeldinger6533 oh ok that is dumb then also even though it has been years since I seen it but I enjoyed the vanguard anime But to talk about the anime when trying to review the game and critic how the game is played is very dumb

[@newbiesama]

Team APS has a vid about 2 new players actually plaing. They missed so many mistakes because soem rules are never mentioned ( a spell goes to the grave after playing, special summonign is always face-up etc)

[@Nocturne989]

I think Kohdok made a great point that you could totally fill the decks with a couple of normal monsters and still have it be useful in the competitive context. They could be opening Driver, Garnet, Bitron, Sabersaurus, Shine Ball and at least get five cards with some use in formats people play.

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

26:49 look mom! I'm on MBT's channel POGCHAMP

[@grodon909]

The thing that baffles me the most about this product is that it would have cost them literally no money to make the card pool better, and may have saved money if they shortened the script. I'm perfectly okay with the first couple turns going over the basics, and they are super kneecapped because you can't include any searchers or the script falls apart. But even with those restrictions, I feel like it would have been simple enough to make a more themed deck to give the deck a semi-coherent strategy, and more expensive cards just to boost sales.

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

26:13 I think I've said this before but the honest answer is a video game product designed to take someone on a journey through the game, letting them collect and battle against cards that were relevant for a given era before advancing to the next one. Set it in Duel Academy or in one of the schools from Arc-V or something and have a graduation ceremony between each section where you prove what you've learned by winning an actual duel against a competent deck, and for advanced players maybe have an option to skip grades by winning that battle with a pre-made deck.

[@Lord_Phoenix95]

The problem with the 2 Player Starter in Australia is that the decks is 4x as much as a regular Structure Deck. I've seen places sell it for $60 to $80 AUD when Starters AND Structures sell for $20 aud each.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

At least the box is good and serviceable

[@xXNeoNashXx]

Yeah dude. My lgs still selling it for $60. Mind you this shop hasnt had any product for like nearly 3 months in terms of yugioh and now i see barely any stock for magic and lorcana. Refuses to become a OTS so they could atleast hand out ots packs as a minimum. Aint no one ever buying a starter deck. And i cant even use store credit atm even if i wanted to just waste my credit on it. Its like how out of touch is Australia. Dont even get me started on eb games.

[@four-en-tee]

>C'mon man, it can't be that bad Bro, it made me get off my ass and make a beginners guide. That video wasn't without its flaws, everyone in the comments asked me wtf a ramp deck is (because I don't particularly agree with calling every deck in this game either control, midrange or combo), but it was still leagues better than Konami's attempt and it tried to appeal to people who may not have ever touched Yugioh before. And I did all that without misrepresenting the actual game. Anyone who watched that video went away learning that Yugioh is a game that usually ends in 2-3 turns. The main issue with the 2 Player Starter Set is that it doesn't prime a new player for the modern game on even an intermediate level. It basically teaches a new player 2006 Yugioh but with synchros and XYZs, which we've criticized products like the Egyptian God decks for as well (those decks are basically just GX era decks with Egyptian God custom cards). It simply fails as an on-boarding product. Like, you can't just nostalgia bait people when the game that existed in the 2000s isn't here anymore outside of Time Wizard. And not even the cards included were any good when it released, Eldlich included. You would've been better off having bought 3 Jack Atlas structure decks and just winging it. The only reason to pick up that product is to buy a copy of Zeus without waiting on shipping. It is an awful product on all fronts. Not even Paul from TeamAPS was able to sugar coat it all that much.

[@Kohdok]

The Pokemon one made me do the same thing. He skipped it in the video, but I pointed out how awful the Pokemon one was because a turn was played with at least three easier and better options.

[@FaolanKitekaze]

Yugi versus Jaiden final battle 2 player set. Both heroes and Dark Magician are early enough archetypes that playing them can act as a history of Yu-Gi-Oh while slowly ramping up into modern style combo decks ending in a climactic showdown of Dark Dragoon versus Shining Flare Wingman. Comes with a custom playmat that has the respective characters and their ace monsters on either side, sleeves, a coin, dice, special tokens, and each deck comes with a QCR version of both the ace vanilla monster and the final summon boss. Price it at $30 and you've got a killer product

[@justabritgaming716]

No way homie dis ojama. Ojama is love ojama is life

[@Kohdok]

No, you see, I was wondering why they mixed the Ojamas in with the trash! They were too good for this deck!

[@elpolitemexa2272]

I think suffering through master duel is the best way to learn Yu-Gi-Oh

[@SerpiaXerma]

I promise I'm normal, but Chimera is genuinely such a perfect beginner deck, if the idea is to throw beginners in the deep end of common aspects of play like effect monsters and special summoning, and advanced concepts like chains/chain blocking and card/type locks, wrapped in a fun nostalgic shell of Yugi and forgotten video game monsters

[@6210classick]

Ya think they're gonna handover Apprentice which is a chase card that costs over half a box for a playset in a $12-13 structure 😂😂😂

[@renaldyhaen]

Never. Tactical Try looks less profitable for the TCG market. They don’t see new players in the Western region as a big profit source. Looking at the 2-Player Starter, even though it’s marketed for new players, it feels more like a way to bait old players into buying staples at a slightly higher price. Tactical Try is a better deal since you only need to buy one. I don’t think Konami TCG would favor that approach.

[@jmurray1110]

Zombies eiukd be my choice, common concept with a theme appropriate gameplan, can be control or midrange meaning you can justify it being slow but alright, shows what a field spell is and the importance of searching with banshee, effect monsters that can act as vanillas on the field but get effects when destroyed, can show you how to special summon important monsters like balan and doomking, simple initial routes that can take though after you learn but easy to teach basic combos, has 3 of the summoning types included in synchro, link and a fusion, as a pile deck it can feel more classic while teaching skills that can transfer to archetypes, you get retrains of classic monsters like red eyes and scapegoat and it’s easy to build from like unizombie or mekuzi who are in every zombie deck Plus if you add vampires you get tribute lessons (and missing the timing lessons thank you duke), if you wanted add a couple traits and you add eldlich if you don’t want doomking There’s also the treated as effect which comes up but outside if this product you don’t want the plaguespreader synchros

[@PsyGo0ze]

Oh yes the 2 player starter box… Such a great product! I hope everyone has one stuck in their collection. I only bought the box for Zues…

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

21:53 HOLY SH*T HAILY ANNE'S DETECTIVE AGENCY THEME FROM YO-KAI WATCH 3

[@CatManThree]

I really wish this was editted down

[@davidaugustine399]

Tism brain

[@Jesse-eu6mn]

that was a loud experience

[@mohammadmehaboob7055]

24:42 So happy to see duel masters

[@TheBlackboxgameingCo]

Kohdoks greatest strength will always be the he just knows how a product should be designed to sell. Some of the game design stuff is a bit more subjective but the product design stuff he is goated on that

[@casualtr4sh]

The rules are actually in the style of a manga though. A togashi manga

[@yawg691]

MBT fighting back the laughs during the yugiooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh LMAO

[@kyleawsum7]

cant wait for the new 2 player starter set with ryzeal dark magician and fiendsmith blue eyes

[@kyleawsum7]

tbh i think blue eyes and heroes would be liek actually good picks with their recent suppport and ability to play ooga booga

[@hiaxel]

17:17 A WIN IS A WIN

[@benat2869]

The box in Europe at least is made of two-piece hard cardboard. I use it to store loose cards of different archetypes for which I don't have a deck.

[@definitelynotmany4972]

26:25 They should do the Vanguard way and play a game without effects and then play a game with effects. (Or change into effects in the middle, like Akina wanted).

[@lucas_oreki5287]

Bought the 2 player starter set just a little while ago, EU version at least has a nicer box that you can actually store the decks in. The tutorial game could rlly have been a bit more fast paced with less normal monsters with no value, but idk i sorta like how it plays. The token thing is unforgivable tho (they literally tell you in the comic to just grab some coins or pencils or something to portray the tokens lol)

[@mathewricafrente5984]

I can't believe the last time I've seen anything about Kohdok was him ranting about Penny from Pokémon SV being a terrorist and people clowning on him for it

[@jkromes20]

Kohdok is the goat of tcg reviews. He always makes great points on product design

[@iamatrain4397]

I remember when it came out I saw the decks that it came with and pretty much noped out since I already had 2 Zeus and had no use for a Prime Heart, but I had no idea it was *this* bad

[@doromac]

The Tokens are supposed to be cut out of the back of the tutorial book lmaooo

[@doromac]

And I'm glad someone said it in chat I was losing it lmao

[@tromend]

I know how to do i better, but they wont, because it's Konami: Journey Through History Starter Sets First Set, 2 Goat Format Staple decks. Second Set, 2 Edison Format Staple Decks. Third set, Continue this pattern forward. Give Reprints to iconic cards that don't have that many reprints, give erratas/Text upgrades to old cards that, by this point SHOULD have them? Give shiny chase rares as the thing that makes veteran players go "Yeah, those decks are meh, but by God that shiny card is FUCKING RARE AND GOOD LOOKING" Add playmats with themes based around the particular era they come from. Give players a bunch of Token cards that are iconic from that era (Read Goat Tokens, or Gorz Tokens). Price gouge people the fuck out of it with an avg price for the decks ending at like 15$~ And most importantly, Make them TINS. Because as we all know, YGO players go crazy for MOTHERFLIPPIN TINS.

[@DeepCDiva]

I disagree with a lot of Kohdoks videos about card game design, but that kind of very critical-but-knowledgeable guy in a fairly old school type of video make his reviews really fun to watch here and there lol

[@thepinms]

The yugioh starter set needs to put you on the spectrum to be effective.

[@MegaZer0]

Always loved the Spellslinger Starter Kit for MTG they give have you play out 5 predetermined turns then let you just go lol

[@LazyLee]

Kohdok: yeah so this 2 player set is the worst thing ever in almost every way Us: YEAH WE GOT A (very slightly) BETTER TUTORIAL LETS GO!!!! Realistically, this thing was doomed to fail. Ygo is definitely teachable, it just requires an approach that's almost like a history lesson, which will definitely be a turn off for a lot of people.

[@geek593]

Edison is teachable. HAT is teachable. Modern is in no way teachable.

[@randommaster06]

The starter decks are quickly becoming The Roomof TCG products. It's more fun and useful as a target of mockery than anything else.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

I didn't know that the 2 player set wasn't an slide box 😂

[@rhalp1718]

Maybe a duel ignition(ocg) kind of deck(hero and swordsoul) with this manga type rulebook with a touch of basic and advanced combo of the deck can do, will be a great deal for a new player to start with perfect phasing of modern yugioh looks like.

[@revengeofthelolin]

Konami should design two opposing archetypes that teach the mechanics fluidly and put them in a starter set

[@AxelWedstar411]

I guess Ojama Black's invite got lost in the mail.

[@Sleepy0173]

iirc I recall Farfa made a showcase of this a while back and the player with Eldlitch pretty much had an unbalanced advantage against the other as soon as the tutorial dropped the players and went all "from here on you guys just shuffle and continue the duel on your own.... who knows who might win though". So it even falls under the "doesn't always follow the best logical play" criteria.

[@lentencraft]

huh, that box is weird. Mainly because i have it, and its different. Might be a regional thing, but here in germany the box (talking about the actual cardboard box here) is actually quite nice. Its more or less like a table top game box, 2 parts of thick cardboard slid together. And theres 2 spaces to snugly fit the 2 decks inside. Did they change it afterwards or is it a regional thing?

[@Gamemaster13000]

Really awesome to hear MBT's OTS story relating the starter deck. I called this product out for being ass awful day 1 and I have no clue how anyone could think it's useful to new players. It's lasting legacy is that it lowered the price of Zues by $10.

[@skormfuse]

I understand wanting to teach players via a simple narrative, but outside of the obvious that you need a game mat as I have seen people play these starter set like it's MTG where things just go anywhere, and actual tokens, it needed like after tutorial add on decks. something that turns this tutorial slop into an actual deck even if it's just XYZ and Synchro turbo decks with no real archetype because I will never understand a starter product that can't be taken to actual paper play games afterwards, the deck you get from a starter should at least be able to stand up to little Timmy's dark magician deck.

[@dudono1744]

I think that just Rank 4 turbo would also be very easy to understand from a gameplay perspective. Or, if you want to include Tribute Summon, you can just make like a Rank 8 deck. I'd have at least 1 archetypal deck though.

[@DeityofDestiny]

I think if konami ever tries this again, what they should do is start with high octane gameplay that ends with both players being forced into a simplified/topdeck gamestate, that they then use this portion to show off the more simplistic core basics, all the while building them back up to another high octane rebound also, there should be 15 pages minimum, dedicated solely to the battle phase (specifically, the damage step)

[@martsawup]

I got into Yu-Gi-Oh via duel links when it came out, and i stuck with it for awhile because i liked the amount of interaction it had and deckbuilding with cool niche synergies. Nowadays there's still loads of interaction but i feel like its not worth the effort to come up with a unique deck considering budget constraints because what's meta at any given point is so far above everything else. I still like the game but i just play draft now

[@clairbeeguitar]

Kohdok is a man sent from another time. When is there going to be a The Wall tcg so Kohdok and Doug Walker can colab?

[@nitro5247]

20:16 “AND traps” because many are just some variation of “ghost x and y”

[@Kohdok]

And "Droll and Lock Bird".

[@bl00by_]

We need something like the yuya v reiji 2 player starter. Just take 2 simple archetypes like idk, Salad and Swordsoul, and make a tutourial around it. That would be much bigger help for newbies than t-set pass.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

Kohdok is cool, but all I can hear is "THE HISTORY OF POWERRANGERS WILL COME OUT WHEN ITS OUT"

[@garrettcrouch326]

His 7 deadly sins of tcg is incredible video series

[@the7569]

I honestly really love his channel. I don't agree with everything he says and I don't think all of his takes are great or anything, but I think overall he's a smart guy who makes really good videos and oftentimes has some decent and genuinely good opinions and advice. He's a really critical reviewer who actually cares about critically analyzing something more than just glazing things which I think a lot of people end up doing because if you don't just glaze the popular thing you're going to get so much hate in the comments.

[@cowardly_lion5512]

Picture this: A set of 4 competent decks through the eras -- a pair of goat style decks, a pair of Edison style decks, a pair of duelist alliance era decks, and a pair of modern-ish decks. Call it the legacy gauntlet or something idk

[@thorscape3879]

What they should have done is package Tenyi-Swordsoul and Labrynth together. Mid-range combo vs control

[@TheBluntsmith69]

imagine how much Komoney would make if they drop rush duel the way Kohdok described smh

[@TenshiTetsuII]

25:37 the OCG starter decks with Live Twin, Eldlich and P.U.N.K.??? The structures from AE with actual real decks inside for a new format for new people to play??? Like its not that hard, they did it over there they can easily do it here

[@TenshiTetsuII]

Also, when a structure is good, it tends to be the best gateway for new people to get in The traptrix structure got my locals a huge influx of people to play the game, making a product like this doesn't work because those aren't real decks

[@xXNeoNashXx]

The 2 player set should of been somethign like exosister as the xyz and the synchro should of been like synchrons or x saber. Simple as but somewhat viable for some fun locals

[@skyjumper4097]

does MBT stand for ,erM, Blease Turn up the volume?

[@nickd6303]

The structures manga does a better job at explaining the game than the two player starter.

[@ryansabin9098]

ultimate rare zeus cost the same as the 2 player starter set at the time of release.

[@zeromaniac5210]

OUR GAME IS FUN!!!

[@nbassasin8092]

we have the best, most fun game, with the saddest support, and creativity and originality in products and rewards, and anything new like new formats or something... sad reality

[@luminous3558]

Too bad the tutorials would rather tell new players about the intricacies of normal monster combat rather than anything cool.

[@Gamescare]

They included the classic Ojamas but left out Ojama Black. Uh-Oh, Jerome has some explaining to do before Konami gets cancelled, or ends up backpedaling so far that they make another starter set with each deck containing 38 copies of Ojama Black, and a single copy each of Ojama Green, and Yellow (let's be real, we'd all buy it.)

[@jmarquel59]

I bought one of these because I need a Zues last minute and I knew Target had a billion of them

[@ReapersScythe666]

To be fair, the 2Player-Starter in the EU has the far better box. Its a thicker box in 2 pieces with an extra piece of cardboard with two spaces for the decks. What he opened looked like the discount version of the box

[@RyanAtlus]

Honestly, this set feels more like a deck for demoing purposes, but the sample duel is waay too long. I can't imagine being sat at a convention booth all day playing out this script dozens of times.

[@yogsothoth915]

Tactical try decks with a qr code to a video would do it. This game might be required to right a number higher than "6+" due to complexity now though.

[@nbassasin8092]

Make beginner box that includes 6 different decks (I am not duelist aliance fanboy, but sorry for bringing up many of the decsk from that timeperiod as they are just great examples for the things Im writing): 1 main centric control/stun one, that is simple and not too oppresive, while not having any ED cards, monarch, true dracos, labyrinth, some paleozoic variant should be great start, also you could go the ritual route here as well since that is also game mechanic 1 easy to understand fusion one, invoked, shaddoll (that could also double down as method of teaching the flip mechanic), hell, even some simpler HERO variant could be cool and also iconic and recognisable, just stay away from complicated fusion decks, and fusion decks that play with their fusion summons like combo pieces like Branded for example synchro one, probably the easiest one since theres plenty synchro slops that more or less do the same thing, so just stay away from ones that cheat the mechanic in some form (no swordsoul, ursarctic or anything of that sort), and same as heroes, you could choose any of the plethora of iconic anime ones, with Blackwings, Junk, and Resonators being some great cjoices. If we need the non anime choice, Speedroids, or Ice Barrier, or Dragunities could be cute (last one also teaching you about equip mechanics, so them and shaddoll could be 2 parts solved with one move) XYZ is also relatively open to choose from, Utopia is probably the biggest contender here, just stay away from decks like Zoodiac, or Springans, or anything that bends the mechanic, and also hopefully has some rank ups built in so that players get familliar with that part. as for the non anime choices, Suships could teach players about normal monsters and xyzs at the same time, aaand BA for our Farfa, coincidentally isnt bad choice as well Pendulum is a bit hard, but you can dumb it down by going for some earlier pendulum strats (metalfoes, dinomist, ignknight, or just some pendulum soup that uses simpler pendulum cards, pend summon in itself is strong enough to contend with the rest of the decks on beginner level). Also, keeping the DA theme, Qliphort could double down as pendulum and main centric deck, that isnt too complicated, but has a lot of bite. also, since we used shaddolls to teach flip and fusion; and dragunities for synchro and equip, choosing one o the vanilla pend strats can also double down to teach players about pendulum and normal monsters at the same time, or choosing enymion could teach them about counters and pends at the same time Link is also easy, just stay away from any link strat that either cheats them out (like Tri Brigade), or strats that have some extra steps like Salamangreat, but oher than that Link is pretty self explanatory and straight forward, go with code talkers, or any cyberse slop you can cook up

[@frederickclarke6542]

Given all the flaws I do really like the set deck order, it allows for the guide to give more from instructions then simple "if you drew thos type of card" that being said it definitely should not be one long book that outlines each turn and play. Have like only up to turn 3 as layed out and then put little tips and tricks (like the COH interaction) in so it's not 2 players passing a book around but instead two players learning together and getting to know yugioh. Obviously play mats, deck box, dice and actual real token cards should all be included. Heck maybe through in 4 packs from a random set so each play gets 2 to beef up and change their deck, I hope Konami dose this product again if only to show how great it can be if they do everything right

[@agunemon]

Yeah... They could have at least the season protag vs antagonist decks, theyre all updated now and are at least viable rogue decks.

[@TheMetallingOne]

7:00 burn!

[@Buzterer]

Started deck: Synchron vs Onomato

[@chromethang1911]

ive been watching this guy since like 2013 i love his content

[@bayerbob5109]

This video has more views than the original. Go click on the link in the description folks!

[@necropants9971]

The 2 player set we got in the eu has a much better box

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Same in Australia

[@matasa7463]

How hard was it to print the Tokens....? The Branded Structure Deck has tokens and that deck didn't even really make much tokens (just Branded Sword...)

[@nbassasin8092]

never underestimate Konamis ability to be as stingy and ofc as lazy as possible

[@zipzorp9694]

I totally forgot Kohdok existed all I remember was him getting really butthurt about Vangaurd because a kid he played at locals annoyed him and that made him hate that tcg forever

[@bobhouses2036]

They could have given you multiple decks for different eras. Start them off with two decks setting traps and normal monsters. Next game move them to goat format. Then give them xyz and then give them something resembling a modern deck

[@guidofalconi1178]

Considering Yugioh started as an manga I could see them doing an manga duel explaining the real life rules. That would be exciting read and learn at the same time. Also, how do you even get new players into yugioh? Like, unless you have intimate knowledge of card games you are probably going to get confused and bored. The game has gotten away from the designers, and with no rotation to slow it down and give people a clean slate once in a while, I do not see how you grow the player base.

[@LSparkzwz]

Haven't been following Kodok for years because I wasn't that interested in his content but I'm very happy to see him still being around

[@stuckmeister7750]

the funniest part is that they just gave up on explaining pendulum cards lmao.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Pokemon was definitely right about that battle academy

[@DragoRaRaRa]

Make a box with 6 decks in it. 2 goat format, 2 edison or hat format and 2 modern decks and a modern game board. Give the players a small booklet for each deck and have the players learn to play the game in order. yugioh is complicated but if you break it down into more digestible bits its much easier to understand.

[@RunicSigils]

There should be 6 but they shouldn't break it up by era, they should break it up by summoning method. There should also be effectively a 7th one that's just made up of good stuff cards, like hand traps. Normal/Tribute/Ritual Fusion, Synchro, XYZ, Pendulum, and Link being the 6. The real problem comes in designing those, however. While ideally, you probably would attach anime stuff to it, for example. I don't think that works for playing the game when you have so many different kinds of summoning types. What you really need to do is sit down and design six decks as part of essentially one strategy. So that they can also be combined into one single deck once the people understand. There really isn't an archetype that already exists where you can make one comprehensive deck that uses all of the summoning types properly in combo meaning they have to do so from scratch with the intent that they all can be used together. If you're just given a bunch of junk that you'll never use again, it doesn't encourage buying it. Unless they do that, the Speed Duel box sets were probably the closest they can get to being ideal, where they provide you a bunch of decks that work, and some extra stuff you could modify them with.

[@DragoRaRaRa]

@RunicSigils I disagree as the issue isn't the complexity of the summoning mechanics it's the speed of the game. But to answer your question about a deck that uses every summoning mechanic yes there is. It's a modern weevil insect deck. A modern weevil deck has fusion, syncros, xyzs and links all in it's extra deck. The only 2 things it doesn't have are rituals and pendulums, which are for the best as all good modern ritual and pendulum decks are overly complicated and I wouldnt recommend them to new players who this product would be made for. Alternatively Odd eyes has fusion, syncro, xyz, ritual and pend. And it could easily add a few links In.

[@xolotltolox]

I really wish MBT would pause when he makes his comments instead of talking over the video

[@skyrimlover777]

I genuinely think yugioh deserves to fail at every moment just because of how poorly it treats its players, especially new ones, and I'm just so disappointed seeing it not crash and burn every year it goes by. The 2 player starter set is like an elaborate punchline to the joke that is its own playerbase trying to get new players into it.

[@renaldyhaen]

I like how he mentions old cards like Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes because if this product is really for new players, they'd likely know the game from the anime, like Yugi or Jaden's era. Using constructed Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician decks helps build hype among non-Yugioh players by recreating the iconic rivalry from the anime. Plus, these decks can teach most Extra Deck summoning mechanics-Ritual and Normal Monsters included-except Pendulum, which is more complex. Dark Magician doesn’t have Synchro monsters, but they could include something like Baronne de Fleur and summon it using Ash Blossom. Blue-Eyes lacks Xyz monsters, but generic Rank-8 options are already part of its playstyle. Neither deck has Links, but generic options like Imduk could work. From a new player’s perspective, though, this product is garbage. You still have to spend more money to play properly. This could’ve been avoided if the 2-player starter set included fully constructed decks. Money remains a huge barrier to entering Yugioh.

[@dr.balance3377]

the solution is simple: have new players watch dueltaining!

[@danha3107]

this product never fails to make me laugh with just how bad it is at getting new players in 💀

[@OjamaFanatic622]

It was hilarious to see people defending that product when it was announced. All so that in the end its greatest accomplishment was being able to get a cheap zeus.

[@drawbyyourselve]

I think if the starter set had sleeves and A PLAYMAT it wouldnt be that terrible, but yeah....

[@luminous3558]

Only card worthy of a sleeve is the zeus.