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[@maddymusevt]

Obviously the best answer is that Ghostricks' boss monster, Ghostrick Divine Arsenal ZEUS -Sky Thunder, was made too generic for it to be used in not good decks

[@rivershen677]

Wait, ZEUS is part of the ghostrick archetype? I thought he was THE ZOODIAC ARSENAL ZEUS - SKY THUNDER

[@jakethereaper2060]

wait it isnt Lyrilusc Divine Arsenal ZEUS -Sky Thunder? I thought Ghostricks main boss monster was Ghostrick Utopic Draco Future

[@mattbaltimore7195]

Zeus wasn't made for Ghostricks though.... Zeus is good Ghostricks are trash.....

[@rivershen677]

@@mattbaltimore7195 Bro the joke thread flew over your head

[@CrnaStrela]

Bro?? I thought Zeus belongs to exosister? Its name was literally Exosister Divine Arsenal AA Zeus

[@logan5018]

Man, how ironic it was that the death of Utopia's potential viability was numeron. I guess Don Thousand truly had the last laugh.

[@rhysjonsmusic]

If we had gotten Heat Soul at the same time as the OCG @Ignister wouldve unironically been a top tier deck

[@rafaelrios7060]

was it a top tier in OCG?

[@rhysjonsmusic]

@Rafael Rios yea I definitely remember it getting alot of tops

[@zawarudogaming3961]

@@rhysjonsmusic well, in OCG Emptiness was legal and you can search it with Alembertain. So The Arrival are basically invincible

[@OsirusHandle]

there were a few months the deck was up there but it could never have been top tier while its plan was kaiju turbo

[@SDREHXC]

@@OsirusHandlehe plan wasn’t Kaiju turbo, it took advantage of heat soul to draw insane amounts of handtraps in a format that is inherently slower due to maxx c

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

God, I feel so bad for Chronomaly. If they had came out a tad earlier or if they had gotten Nebra Disk earlier, they would been more than a one note gimmick.

[@Dz73zxxx]

Imo not only disk, trilithon is also crucial, since disk is heavily restricted on normal summon (konami you did our stratos dirty)

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@Dz73zxxx At time of release Disk probably would have been enough. Barely, but probably

[@fudouakio4759]

@@Dz73zxxx Trilithon came out wayyyy more recently than Nebra Disk The support Chronomaly got was perfect but its still sadly an awful deck that loses to a handtrap. If Nebra came out early, maybe there woulda been more incentive to keep it relevant earlier

[@Zurenza]

@@fudouakio4759 Play it in master duel with a bunch of going second cards and cards like Crossout Designator. Your only goal is to get Chateau Huyuk and Machu Mech out while going second, this results in an OTK if your opponent has a monster with at least 1800 attack. 1800 Burn, 4200 from Machu Mech and 2k from chateau. Assuming you can punch for game with Chateau. The deck can still pull out surprising OTK's and going second with a deck full of going second board breaker's and hand traps that stop other hand traps+crossout, it's fairly consistent on masterduel(Got to platinum with both this and constellar, diamond was too hard though).

[@sebastianlacerda]

That last take about Fire Kings aged nicely

[@sallas09]

Back in late 2006, Chaos Sorcerer was still ruling the roost, and the best decks were all finding different ways to best utilize him; Chaos Return, Recruiter Chaos, anti-meta Macro Chaos, etc. etc. But there's a version of the strategy that had the potential to be absolutely insane, but we just never got to see it due to both timing and UDE's restrictions on when new sets were legal for SJC events. Power of the Duelist released mid-August and gave us both unerrata'd Future Fusion, which let you reveal the fusion monster and bin the materials immediately, and also Chimeratech Overdragon. Both Future Fusion and Chaos Sorcerer were unlimited at 3 copies, so you could create a machine-based Chaos deck that would let you either OTK with Future/Overload Fusions by dumping every machine in your deck, or you could at the bare minimum send a Cyber Dragon and a Dekoichi/Cyber-Stein to instantly get the materials you need to summon Chaos Sorcerer. You could do both with just one Future Fusion, which was unlimited. And Dimension Fusion, Return from the Different DImension, and Giant Trunade were all unlimited as well! I think this could have been the best deck in the format, bar none. Except...if my memory serves correctly, UDE had a rule for SJC events stating that new core sets would not be legal for these tournaments until the start of the month following their release date. SJC Hamilton occurred during this time, but considering the top-placing deck wasn't on a single card from the set, I'm assuming it wasn't allowed. And then, sadly, the banlist that came out on September 1st, the day that POTD was legalized, banned Chaos Sorcerer and limited Future Fusion, ensuring that Chimera Chaos would never actually exist. If you were lucky, maybe you got to play the deck at locals during that two-week period, but on the highest stages of competition, it just came at the wrong time.

[@Shadowx157]

That sounds epic, I was playing around that time, and you're right Chaos Sor. got hit shortly after chimera got released

[@xCorvus7x]

sounds like we barely missed a nuclear meltdown, thank god Left Arm offering didn't exist back then (considering Offering's release in 2016, the style of the card art seems surprisingly close to cards released fifteen years prior)

[@manporo5865]

That's not what happened. It was used in Regionals and locals a lot, but at the time, it came out players also had an answer in side board for it, Swords of Concealing Light. I even remember beating one with Zombies structure deck constructed by just subbing 3 copies in. That strat was pretty lackluster compared to most other.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Rooster was never hit in either the TCG OR OCG, the card they were thinking about was Spirit, which was a TCG only pre-hit to Fire Fist. kind of annoyed lol

[@auroraseppel6204]

Frightfur Patchwork, my beloved. Tiger into Kraken into Fusion for Wolf and attack 5 times could have been so good. IF IT WASNT RELEASED IN THE MIDDLE OF TOSS

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

I mean... Even then it was kinda ok.

[@CatchTheseMechanicalHands]

*relentless sobbing*

[@ethanbryan3748]

What's toss

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@@ethanbryan3748 Thunder dragon, Orcust, Salam great, Sky Striker. It refers to a format that was like a year long

[@ethanbryan3748]

Thx I just don't know format nicknames by heart

[@mesiagamer5217]

That chronology one you used as an example hurts my soul as it had a good Chance in Duel links... Except they didn't add their rank five... Edit:Yes they did have spark of hope however that unfortunately quickly faded...

[@ErosIRL]

It actually wasn’t bad. I played it, and it could’ve been a lot better if the skill didn’t limit you to “light number xyz” monsters only

[@LynnLyns]

Well... it wasnt that bad but at least were playable for half a format

[@REvoLverj98]

Imagine adding an xyz era archetype without the xyz

[@charlesfort6602]

Damage step Chain Link 1 Huyuk Chain Link 2 Concentrating Current Best otk deck in the game

[@rescuerex7031]

wasn't it like one of the best budget decks for a long time since the Chronomaly event

[@Dragonmist19X]

That line about fire kings at the end...sure did age.

[@GodzillaFreak]

In the OCG you can't scoop unless the opponent agrees to let you scoop. I think that's what they're referring to

[@dhanyl2725]

That's just needlessly cruel lol

[@nellewoodruff6337]

Victory dragon op!

[@eminiclam]

P1: can i surrender? P2: NO P1: but... P2: I said NO, you are gonna watch my combo and you are gonna like it! P1:........ok.

[@vxicepickxv]

It's critical to the no limits OCG meta. Dragonlink and Tearlaments are the top 2 decks.

[@yasharthpandey6317]

@@dhanyl2725 It's because there is no official surrender in the OCG. It's not in the rules. So, if you want to surrender you have to ask your opponent to make an informal agreement, and they can just disagree to do so. This caused people playing against Victory Dragon to perform illegal actions to receive game losses instead of match loss via Victory Dragon.

[@babrad]

D/D/D could be on that list twice. The lvl8 turbo build could easily demolish sky striker thanks to Shizuku's arrow (not wasting materials), and it had anti-burn built-in for Trickstar. It even had some tops in the OCG with Swirl at 2. But it missed Big chungus (High Genghis) since it was released in SoFu, ALONG WITH THUNDER DRAGONS AND GOD FORBID LEVI (pre-BaCh support you couldn't play pure because of Levi and D-Link despite the deck having an incredible VW matchup) Then we waited for Gilgamesh for almost 2 years, which came along with Halq and Verte. Moral of the story: When Delayed D/D support is coming, it always brings tier 0.5 broken stuff with it

[@chucklesdeclown8819]

thats pretty fair, luckily we get random tops once in a while because its still a tour de force(guardna top 16 is the most recent example), i still question the most random support that gets released for it though(pardon while i write this up) i mean i laugh because it has the wonkiest anti pendulum cards. a kind of bubble man like card(not the same but has a similar draw 2 if condition is met in pandora). stone king darius which for some reason is earth and it is surprisingly lackluster for a D/D/D extra deck card even if were talking d'ark which is pretty much only used for its level. the proud brothers being odd pendulum recycle cards and some others being similar. D/D recruits, reroll, and human resources being odd recycle cards that are all traps for some reason that just dont work cause D/D/D's don't really stall out enough to do them. pendragon for some reason needing a dragon to summon despite none of the cards being such. nighthowl being the worst tuner to exist in the deck and goes unused. apocalypse and requiem always being in this odd position of extender(at least ive always felt personally weird about those 2 monsters) Armageddon being this weird battle monster dark contracts that are also pendulum recycle and oddball effects depending on the extra deck monster you summoned. contract change being an in archetype battle trap forbidden dark contract with the swamp king which give you barely any benefit over the normal ones with worse costs. along with surprisingly half decent in deck cards D/D/D basically never play even if they are surprisingly good and searchable because their combo variant D/D/D's are better(D/D dog, supreme king kizer(i mean the literal first variant of D/D/D's i built was kind of kizer turbo OTK, i should know. why hes not a pendulum monster is my thing with kizer), i think the new D/D/D/D card will be one considering reji is already great and played in the deck now, and if i recall there is 1 or 2 more but i could be trippin) D/D/D's if you aren't looking at their mainline cards and even their slightly sidelined ones is such an oddball archetype of dark fiends.

[@chiropteran2966]

that last jab at fire king has aged somewhat poorly

[@AussieRiolu447]

Thanks for featuring mine. One thing I didn't mention since I ran out of characters: Since Dark World had a lot of their important cards being UR in different sets, it coined the term "Pay to Lose". Grapha 100% should've been in a Structure Deck EX in 2020 or something.

[@hakiboo]

i still remember how i was so hyped for Lightsworns when Minerva XYZ was announced. However they made it a price card and my LS ended up being unplayable by the time it was reprinted a few years later...

[@GeneralNickles]

Zombieswarn was literally the best deck of BLLR format. what are you talking about?

[@Dz73zxxx]

Chronomaly player in 2023 here. The later support is godsend, especially the combo disk - trilithon and tuspa rocket - acambaro figures, it makes the huyuk + machu mech combo more consistent. Also nibiru is unofficial chronomaly card (it synchronize so well) Bit more support for backrow interaction/removal would elevate the consistency more

[@ja-nathen]

Joseph, I had a nightmare last night but the only thing I remember from it was someone saying “Amongussy” and I’m blaming you

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

There was no Fortune Lady Synchro in 5Ds. Carly (the character who played them) got axed pretty hard in the second onwards because of her VA's complications with a cult. TBF, it was a 5Ds archetype with level modulation to adding a Tuner & Synchro would have made sense.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Also, Fortune Ladies were one of those archetypes that only existed in the anime because Egyptian voodoo shenanigans (Carly's actual deck was Fortune Fairies) and the Dark Signers primarily (outside of exactly Rex) used Dark Synchros if they touched the Extra Deck at all (which Carly did not).

[@philbuttler3427]

That thing about a cult is just fanon nonsense, she was in that cult years after 5Ds ended not while she was making the show. People just parot lies without actually doing research at all.

[@katthemischievous2167]

This thread has me interested in a set of tournaments/format with deck lists sorted by archetype release, but they have access to the full archetype. So like all archetypes from this year to this year. It seems a lot of these were "released too late" and Im interested in how theyd do without new busted archetypes that released when good support dropped for other decks

[@ClockworkCandle]

This

[@renownerd.276]

6:20 ACTUALLY, Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon was released in North America in 2006, in a special bundle with a tiny Shonen Jump Magazine. Dragon Master Knight was released around the same time in 2006 in its own little bundle, too. Though this one wasn't tied to Shonen Jump. I actually ended up getting that Shonen Jump issue in Wallmart, and so I did in fact have a Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon at the same time Blue Eyes Shining Dragon came out. . . Only. . . I got Pyramid of light. . . .

[@oddob2erverygo67]

So I unironically think that if Ursarctic was released in a zexal era or early arc-v format they could have potentially seen some play as a rogue deck or an anti meta pick. Being able to shut down the effects of xyz summoned monsters + being able to search mst, dd crow, or book of moon on legs sounds legitimately solid in slower formats. The fact is summon large man is just too slow in any of the formats since their release. I could even see an argument for them being decent in mr4 formats. That said releasing a deck in 2021 that amounts to "here is one beefy floodgate that doesn't matter anymore with maybe some archetypal hand traps that require you to minus unless the field spell is up" doesn't sound like the best archetype

[@DaniloBarbiero]

Another good one is Neptabyss, the Atlantean Prince. I remember being a Mermail player in 2015 watching the deck top in the OCG eagerly awaiting the TCG release, only for it to come out in Breakers of Shadow alongside full power PePe

[@GeneralNickles]

Full power pepe was also emergency banned like 2 weeks later. People were topping regionals left and right with Mermail after that.

[@peekay120]

As a die hard mermail player since day 1 I can honestly say that if Neptabyss had come out at the same time as the initial mermail run in the tcg, mermails would have been pretty unstoppable, but as the other person said, mermail became really solid after PePe was emergency banlisted, and lets not forget how good it became once the Toad came out.

[@fadeleaf845]

I remember the pre-release hype for Vylon Disigma as an absolutely insane boss monster that is like Catastor on steroids with few ways to efficiently out for many decks. Unfortunately, the decks at that time weren't particularly interested in making Rank 4s. Dinorabbit had its negate dragons, but none of Wind-up, Inzektors or Chaos Dragons really wanted to play them. And by the time we got decks that have strong Rank 4 engines that could even make 3 material monsters effectively, Shock Master was out.

[@TheOmnishamblesGaming]

Everything is beatable if you jank it up enough

[@SaintoftheHonest]

Everything is beatable when Cimo plays it in History of

[@Sketchisawesome]

@@SaintoftheHonest secrets of eternity

[@DRAPION54]

I remember tring out an OCG deck that involved Dark Simorgh and Utopic ZEXAL when I got my copy of the latter from the Jump promo. It was ok, I remember losing to Ghostrick in dueling book with the lock active.

[@idosarts_and_krafts]

As an earth machine player I agree

[@Mafujalate329]

In spring 2015, we were poised to get a new super powerful dragon ruler deck with dark matter dragon facilitating massive OTKs and i breakable boards. it would have been able to easily compete with decks like nekroz, shaddoll and burning abyss…but then konami banned the dragon rulers the day dark matter dragon came out

[@stephen4006]

Mathmech was so unfortunate. It’s the most played deck in master duel right now, it really is damn strong support, just has the misfortune of coming alongside tears

[@ethanbryan3748]

Is master duel's meta more OTK-centric?, I don't play the game much

[@lilsunny7399]

@@ethanbryan3748 Mathmech with circular, just circular and god forbid you have extenders. Can end on IP: Masquarena with 2 monsters ready to quick link into Appolloosa, a trap that summons 3 from gy and immediately xyz summons Laplacian with them which sends 1 monster, 1 backrow and 1 random card from hand. Also if one of its materials happens to be diameter, it's an omni negate. Then yeah T2 its as easy as Transcode>Accesscode>win.

[@CarlosGarcia-lo6xf]

Not totally but otk decks thrive more because its a best of 1, mathmech still puts up a good board going 1st but also can easily hop skip jump to lethal@@ethanbryan3748

[@ungulatemanalpha]

Dragonmaid is a deck that goes absolutely bananas if its resource loop starts, and unlike most decks like that, it's also decent at OTKing, not getting OTKed, and has good generic access to things like Hieratic Seal. Of course it's insane in a format where half the games are non-starters for one player because of the earth insect.

[@ducky36F]

Maxx C is also legal in Master Duel, and dragonmaid is still mediocre af on there too.

[@thecharmingplatypus3208]

Dragon Maid has the potential to go crazy at some point in the future but at current, it’s really cool, I really like the battle phase advantage stuff it does, but it can really only end turn 1 on a negate and 1-2 bounces, which just…. isn’t enough

[@waiyon1951]

@@thecharmingplatypus3208 we are missing some cards that gives us a more consistent turn 1 play. Dragonmaid has good grind game and staying power just not good at setting up the board to start off.

[@TheCardTrooper]

Dragonmaid doesn't OTK well at all and it's not very consistent either

[@gigalodon14]

7:45 There was one Pendulum Magician deck that played it back when Electrumite and Starving Venom were legal. It got a second place in a YCS in Germany

[@amen123abcd]

I love watching these videos as a 'newer' player to to the tcg. Going from "I know nothing at all about yugioh except stuff from the anime" to "I now have a basic understanding of what is and isn't bullshit" is pretty nice. Now if only I played decks that didn't invite being shutdown in one turn and my life ended. Please stop bullying my Cyberdark Chimera I just want powerbond.

[@type-moonfag4413]

crystal beasts were rogue in the ocg when the pendulums and conclave came out. how long did those take to come over here?

[@alphanbuster9292]

that was in the thread, mbt skimmed it

[@type-moonfag4413]

@@alphanbuster9292 neshy seething right now

[@kingcasual-casual-gaming-5366]

Speaking of Shining Dragon!! Not Only that. But, at least in Germany, Shining Dragon couldnt even be played THAN, because the original name in the effect of Shining Dragon was "Blauäugiger Ultra Drache" (litteral transl. "Blue-Eyes Ultra Dragon") which is the german dub version of the "Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon". So because it was printed with the dubs "original" name, it was UNPLAYABLE UNTIL IT GOT A REMAKE IN 2009!!!!!!

[@vxicepickxv]

That's even more impressive.

[@NewtBannner]

Dragon Link was already good but we got Borrelend 2 years too late, it would have been broken if didn’t come out around the time Lenatus came out

[@kylianos3907]

Thank god

[@kauanjos3199]

Mathmechs are a good example to this if circular came 1 or 2 sets earlier it would be undisputably tier 1, the deck only real weakness is Nibiru, it has a way better end board than despia it can play through multiple hand traps it only loses to Nibiru

[@mementomori2365]

Well master duel got circular before either spright and tears and just became tier 1

[@kauanjos3199]

@@mementomori2365 exactly

[@saudmubarak1876]

I branded get a new support

[@CloudStriiff]

I'm amazed Dire managed to get 8 minutes out of that one

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

I'm probably biased but I personally think that Dragon link is partly to blame as for why Dragonmaid flew under everyone's attention here in the TCG. To be specific a trend that I've noted is that every time a new dragon card or Dragon support card comes out, the discussions rounded it are focused primarily on how well it fits into combo decks specifically Dragon link. I've seen more than a few people dismiss Dragonmaids specifically because they were seen as suboptimal for Dragon link. For so many people live in flat-out never occurred to them that a dragon card could be used in something other than combo

[@TheCardTrooper]

It's because Dragon Link's engine is superior to Dragonmaid's.

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

@@TheCardTrooper That right there is exactly what I'm talking about, this is why we at the TCG couldn't understand why Dragonmaid was seeing success over at the OCG. We completely misunderstood what the deck was trying to accomplish because of how dominant combo is here.

[@lkchaoui842]

Rlly happy to hear that Solemn is making connections with the Yugitubing community. Hope to see more content involving Solemn/0DMG!

[@sp0nk272]

Im getting that Bussy mat signed Joseph. I will get a job at Konami and then you cannot get me thrown out. You cannot stop me

[@jameszetterman4487]

I will never get tired of BTAS style MBT title cards.

[@phanquang7839]

The problem with Exosister is in TCG their XYZ gy lock eff are mandatory, so if you chain to a Tear chains, the Asophiel will be the first chain and those Tear eff will be in cl2, cl3,... And btw Kaspitell also get Gamma/Ghost Ogre before the search cause she forced to use her gy lock eff Oh well

[@andrejv.2834]

But they're all optional, and even if you chained havnis to a gy lock effect, the potential tear names on a new chain wouldn't do anything since the first effect has already resolved

[@Freebird1994]

Honestly, if war rock was released back in GOAT it might have reached all the way up to tier 2. Note: this is a joke calm down.

[@DuelingArchives]

XX-Saber Darksoul was a TCG exclusive world premier card first. It was a big reason why it was tier 1 in the TCG. The reprint got it errata to have one end phase search to match the OCG ruling.

[@samurexatlas7373]

To be fair Utopia was never truly gonna have ZEXAL for long. Ascend searching Rank-Ups meant there was now a consistent way to make ZEXAL with 4 mats, which meant that ZEXAL would have to go regardless, unless you wanted locals for 3 weeks to be flooded by ZEXAL pass then just never play it because there was quick negation available that just... killed it. Yeah it would be banned for potential, not power.

[@VixYW]

"But then Konami put text on the cards" is such a great quotable line out of context.

[@bernardosales1044]

just coming back here becuase of the final segment "fire king was gonna be so good" We are actually so back

[@TrueHavoc13]

Please don't come back again. It's been months

[@bernardosales1044]

@@TrueHavoc13 WE'RE SO BACK BABY

[@Gamemaster13000]

Blue-eyes Ultimate wasn't in the TCG until 2008???? I figured that card would be released as a boss monster in Kaiba's first structure deck.

[@TrueHavoc13]

Oof that end bit hurts with modern knowledge

[@glacierwolf2155]

I wonder, could we have a Twitter thread on what archetypes had cards that referred to other cards that are non-existent in their own archetype?

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

Certified Nekroz trap moment

[@GeneralNickles]

I think theduellogs has a video about that. "Top 10 cards that don't exist" or something.

[@glacierwolf2155]

@@GeneralNickles I think that you are confusing that video, which doesn't exist, with Davinator1212's "Top 5 Cards That Don't Exist in Yu-Gi-Oh!" video.

[@Moo77717]

8:43 That one didn't age quite so well...

[@about7grams]

when patchwork came out i got 3 from my prerelease packs and a fluffal player bought them for 5 each, it was like a rare then went down to less than a quarter in a week or so

[@peekay120]

I honestly feel like if Fire King Island and Arvata had been released at the same time as the Fire King structure, Fire Kings would have been a pretty serious tier 2 contender

[@OrangePandaBear1]

6:32 is just half correct. Firefist got prematurely hit because in the iconic Sep 2013 list that split ocg and tcg, Rooster was limited in the OCG and spirit got limited in the TCG. Firefist never got a chance to compete regardless

[@kenthekhan]

I appreciate the batman animated crawling card reference.

[@Ragnarok540]

At least mathmech is extremely playable in master duel, and will stay that way until spright and tear are released.

[@gatocochino5594]

RIP

[@gaarafan89]

Start the countdown. Konami just put out a banlist hitting both Union Carrier and Toadally Awesome

[@DrAiPatch]

@@gaarafan89 Tear is on the way and they limited Shifter......... I might be taking a long break from Master duel.

[@xatuyou8045]

You mean until bystials are released.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

Speaking of duel links. We got MOF as UR well past any hope it would have had to be playable and worst yet, we didn’t have really any good spells to recycle even when we got it super late. Sangan and witch as well, and of course, spirit reaper. I pulled a prismatic and it is basically useless.

[@ceterfo]

I bought the Japanese arc-v set and ordered three of them to Minnesota just so I could have my luna lights and my cousin could have his fright furs. I had no idea how smart of a purchase that was when I made it

[@indiemercenaryproductions707]

My cousin and I went to see the movie he ended up getting the blue eyes shining dragon and i got the magician. We used to have to pretend he could fuse the ultimate dragon just so he could use it lmao. Forgot about that.

[@Dw7freak]

I'll just say that all the original vanilla fusions that were in the video games. BEUD and Meteor Black Dragon would've probably seen niche play, even if only playground, if they released around the same time as their materials, like in OCG land, just for being Blue-Eyes and Red-Eyes cards. I remember making decks around them in the video games. Unfortunately BEUD released in 2008, a whole 8 years after it released in the OCG (excluding the prize card), in the middle of the Synchro era. Meteor Black Dragon in 2012, 12 years after the OCG release (excluding the prize card), during the Xyz era. There's no way a big bungus fusion would have any relevance at those times! Yet both of these cards were in all the video games we got.

[@Eiji475]

Remember how Fire King Island was played in Kozmo. Fun times.

[@fartballs77]

yeah dude, imagine FIRE KINGS being good. would never work

[@adamushu]

Not that its good, but i was waiting for subterror guru to come out so i could play it with behemoths for what felt like years, maybe it was idk. When it finally came out it became known for guru control.

[@Exodiasmysticshineballz]

I feel that. I played subterror since they came out. First I built them with metalfoes and it was fun, then it evolved to fiendess behemoth turbo/synchro box, and then it finally evolved the deck to guru control.

[@Dominator150395]

Let's be fair, Frightfur Patchwork did still see a lot of play... in Branded Despia decks.

[@JudojugsVtuber]

I really feel for heraldry patriarch. I played heraldic beasts before and after they got the card because when it was released in the ocg people toted it as potentially being a tier 2 staple for years to come....then uh....we didn't get it for 2 entire years and powercreep had accelerated more than players had expected it to. To this day I think the deck is 3-4 cards away from actual tier 2 viability. They play nicely with dogmatika and their only real downside is that they don't have the best main deck monsters in the world (basically amphisbaena and leo are the only good ones outside maybe unicorn). They have a one card xyz spell, a decent field spell, an easily abusable boss monster, easy access to UDF, and they aren't hit too much by bystials. If they had a few more better main deck monsters, one or two more good spells, and another playable psychic XYZ boss monster other than patriarch they'd be incredibly viable IMO.

[@dhanyl2725]

Also you can mix tribrigade with it, AND you can put number's counter trap and the lv 4 monster that can search it. The deck just lacks extender at this point...

[@JudojugsVtuber]

@@dhanyl2725 yeah they need a couple more main deck extenders and maybe a dedicated normal summon starter. I also realized that re-doer is psychic so he plays nice with the field spell and their newer spell they got that restricts you to psychics. He's also the best rank 4 in the game pretty much so that's kinda awesome.

[@runningoncylinders3829]

Immediately thought of how D/D/D had to wait on the Structure Deck with like, lol Zoodiacs right around the corner.

[@PrismHeartOfficial]

the Snek playmat is SO CUTE but I already have a Dark Magician Kuriboh one that's also nice I just love dangers and also snek is so adorable ;-;

[@LightshaverConstellation]

When I feel that constellar post because while it wouldn't have been unbeatable, I do it actually see it being top 3 or top 5 potential. Everything that gave it trouble before dragon rulers you could out floodgates without losing to other decks and the only match up that I felt was ass without a floodgates were mermails and considering 3 dragoon was an insane concept with steus. But at least game 2 and 3 was hard for them between stuff like banisher vanity, mind crush and that there were some flexibly side deck choices for the match up that it is not an one to anti side against. But no omega or Sombre was bad enough that constellars was better in a druler format then pre ruler format without either.

[@poro9084]

1:05 that mat look so cute

[@yunogasai5479]

Earth Machine being overhyped ? Damn ... Been playing the deck for 2 years and right now , i actually only see 2 or 3 people in real life playing it..

[@michaelburroughs9150]

A.K.A Horror music HASH Slinging slasher!!

[@vo1ce147]

The ocg dragoon it's dominant because you know the dragoon airpod deck, play a dragoon , alister, and billion hand trap.

[@alexanderespinoza]

The correct answer here is Trains. When Qliphorts and making Towers was all the fucking rage trains just needed the fucking ocg support to come in and fuck Towers up with the monster that can pop a card on field when it's detached. Same with the XYZ being able to be unaffected by other card effects and also the deck being incidentally great under skill drain. FUCK TOWERS. (not in a 9/11 way)

[@Ragoodtama]

the most reason why x card so good in OCG but Flop in TCG because of Maxx C. Lets say at the time dragoon was released, the best end board (if u got disrupted) was Dragoon. But the rest hand was maxx c. So if the opp want to bait out by activating cards that would special summon, we just throw maxx c and got discard fodder for dragoon. Then you look at TCG with the same board but instead of maxx c the most common i saw was ash left in the hand.

[@FALCONLICK]

Incredible strong in a vacuum but unfortunately sends to the graveyard is a great line

[@Silver_light77]

appreciate the fortune lady representation, even if its misrepresentation. every and the fortune fairies did not make the deck good, but at least it made them a functioning deck that didn't rely on the weird outdated field spell

[@smnc5355]

Mayakashi zombie world Deck profile 🙏

[@Ragnarok540]

Just add the card that stops the opponent form summoning.

[@lucapangrazi9217]

I love this cause there was at least 5 decks that were suposed to dethrone branded and tribrigade but tear apeared and all that went to shit

[@michaelgjrjvebs]

It wouldn't have made them meta or anything but not getting avendread savior for ages made vendreads even worse. Also zombie's would have liked having the additional zombie deck pitch during their brief stint as an antimeta threat

[@lioninjawarloc]

Fire king comment aged like milk

[@johnnysizemore5797]

Y'all remember the Obelisk and Slifer Structure Deck's they released awhile back? Interesting fact: they could've been A major Meta deck staple about four years before, as most of the Meta relevant Deck's at the time(I think the top two were SPYRAL and ....I wanna say Musket) couldn't handle such a big beatstick that was immune to EVERYTHING for two turns....

[@andrejv.2834]

The top decks 4 years ago were striker and chaos thunder, which would easily handle a deck based on awful 3 tribute monsters

[@chewdoom8415]

Did you just say that musket was part of the top 2?

[@johnnysizemore5797]

@@chewdoom8415 like I said, I Wanna say it but am uncertain of it. I just know SPYRAL was one of the top Two at the time ...

[@chewdoom8415]

@@johnnysizemore5797 muskets bombed. It didn't live up to the hype, that's why I questioned what you said. And like someone already stated, striker and thunder dragons (they missed) salad were the top decks. Even 4 years ago, these structure decks would still be outclassed.

[@arandompersonful]

I really like the intro this time. Hits all the right adhd spots.

[@AllBeganwithBBS]

Although Ishizu/Tearlament is indeed a huge issue in terms of power level, I came to the realization that the Bystials are just as bad if not worse. Hopefully Magnamhut and Druiswurm get hit at the same time as Tear.

[@juvenileygo]

Dd crow should stay at 3 copies not 18. The only fix is to unprint all the bystials

[@esbernhawkins5912]

@@juvenileygo I think the worst part is that the D.D. Crow eff of Bystials is the _least_ problematic part of their design. They're bodies on board, they're beefy 2500 ATK beaters, they have card advantage out the ass, they're level 6 for some fucking reason, they extend off of their owner's GY in the worst case scenario... it's just ridiculous. You even have Bystial Ball Breaker coming out that just gives them a fucking turn 0 extra deck monster removal on top of everything else, it's ridiculous. I get that chaos typing has always been strong, but printing an entire archetype that says "fuck you, stop using the second hand we forced your deck to revolve around" was a terrible way of handling things.

[@eko_cvz5254]

Never thought I'd see the day Solemn sponsors MBT

[@alexrogall4543]

I played zexal in six samurai. Amazing combo so powerful then yeah

[@8E_3T]

I might be biased, but I feel like Gunkan could have been a solid rogue or lower tier 2 if they'd been released in Savage Strike with Time Thieves. I mean, look how well the archetypes work together currently.

[@krisdinkel8915]

As a fire king lover that post credit scene hit way too hard. Probably because it is true

[@xCorvus7x]

7:00 Block Dragon in Megalith? How would you play that? Megalith generally doesn't like its Rituals banished.

[@TheOneandOnlyJuano]

I'VE NEVER WANTED SOMETHING MORE IN MY LIFE THEN THAT POT OF GREED MAT!

[@NidoTheKing572]

Fun fact: Block Dragon ban wasn't what killed Megaliths, they could do all of their combos without it. What killed Megaliths was the trends that the subsequent meta took. Dragon Link became widely agreed to be the best deck around, and if that wasn't enough, the best hand trap at the time that people were maining to keep early Dragon Link decks in check prior to their optimization was: Droll & Lock Bird. Yeah, Megaliths couldn't come back from that one. Shame too, because they were similar in power level to Adamancipators if they were given enough time to optimize.

[@jakesnake5525]

Considering I also play Cardfight, some of those mats look clean as hell

[@tomasmedina7993]

Fire King is a bizarre one. The deck had so much potential throughout Zexal, then got struck down by Duelist Alliance format. The weird thing is that if you go on ygotopdecks, there's this one guy who's responsible for nearly all of the deck's tops. No clue who he is, but he really must've liked the deck. When it did get support, the new cards were good, but seemed more geared toward the 2014 meta than late 2017. It feels like Konami was just sitting on those support cards for years and forgot to release them.

[@peekay120]

Soo true, can you imagine fire kings in 2014 with everything they have now, and especially if you included the nephthys support too, that deck would have been an absolute powerhouse in 2014

[@loavprod]

i love this editing. common dire W

[@ianfitzpatrick3231]

Hieratics got the snub ALL THE TIME!!! (Never got to play the deck full power with redmd at 3 and gustav being released. Gishki Hieratic got hit before we could play it in the TCG. ANNNND Dark MATTER HIERATICS.... Hieratic + Legendary maju garzett = Number 95 G-E DMD

[@xCorvus7x]

5:07 What did that error change?

[@jkid1134]

Wonder Balloons was a Duel Links Beta staple. Turns out the card is very strong in exactly vanilla beats formats with little s/t removal. Would have been good in 2002 exactly (where it wouldn't even be busted because De-Spell is a card you can play for Swords of Revealing Light anyway). This isn't at all what you asked, is it.

[@holynacho17]

every pre-2018 fluffal player: "if i had patchwerk ..."

[@deviaan]

I hope that the TAS title card is still recognizable to most viewers, iconic is an understatement

[@GeneralNickles]

I will forever despise Konami for making Yang Zings miss timing. They wouldn't have been the best deck of Duelist Alliance by a long shot even if they didn't, but missing timing meant they stood no chance against the other 4 DUEA decks. It was just too easy to make them wiff. They could've been meta contenders though. Not missing meant you could run shit like generation shift to dodge effects and gain advantage in the process. But Konami said no... Missing timing is the stupidest mechanic in the game, and it needs to go.

[@eulefranz944]

8:15 I wish it was true and happend. I love those cards

[@trueblueryu5713]

6:34 2 and a half years because Ultimate Dragon was technically legal, if you had it via the Shonen Jump Jan 2007 promo… mind you that this still doesn’t make Shining Dragon a good card by any metric

[@xatuyou8045]

The other thing that makes mathmech unplayable is they made an archetype full of dd crows

[@Spikezillian_]

I think Harpie's would've been insane in 2013 if Dragon Ruler didn't come out in the exact same set they got amazing support 😔