ENDURING YOUR YU-GI-OH! OPINIONS

[@antto9218]

my personal take is that boss monsters should either have effects that only benefit the archtype if they have fully generic maerials or archtype especific materials if they are going to have a generic good effect

[@klutzmtg2310]

not a hot take this is just what most people wish happened.

[@Celestia282]

True! Generic boss monsters with generic effects are absolutely horrible and limit deck building options.

[@frankwest5388]

@@Celestia282 yep. The existence of Savage Dragon and Baroness have made basically 95% of Synchros obsolete, any xyz deck is now Zeus turbo and why bother winning with in archetype cards, if Accesscode and Borrelsword can OTK by themselves. If it were up to me, they would all be banned

[@yukidoki1482]

Generic Extra-Deck Boss Monster are my most disliked aspect of the game.

[@NIneDJcali]

They already do have cards like that...and the aren't payable

[@cheebree]

Hot take: Generic finishers, such as Accesscode and Borrelsword, were massive mistakes. They removed the option for decks to be balanced around not having large monsters.

[@MoskalMedia]

I completely agree. They also make duels boring, too. It sucks when you're playing against a unique deck only for them to end by summoning Accesscode.

[@wolfgod6443]

I felt this with Infernoids and Qliphorts. There used to be an interesting edge to something like BLEW because that deck could usually crash or hit over all the towers bosses and turbo-ed noids for little cost on their end, but now a niche like BLEW had just doesn't exist anymore and decks like Qli or infernoids are under powered not in effects but in attack power. Qli literally can't even summon Access Code lol.

[@neurotypicalkirby]

Objectively true. I always feel a twinge of guilt when I build a deck, have a bunch of space left in the extra and just cram in all the generic bosses that could feasibly be played.

[@colboy123]

How is this a hot take?

[@ResVtuber]

Slight push back here, generic finishers helped a lot of decks that had the ability to put out a lot of material but couldn't do anything with material viable, look at synchron and sypral, both awesome decks that run an almost entirely generic extra deck cards

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

Link Monsters don't care about the Link mechanic. Pretty much all the meta link Monsters (Halq, Access, Appolouse, Knightmares, Borrels, etc) don't care if they are co-linked or if a Monster points them/is pointed from them. Even a lot of Link decks like Salad didn't really care so long as they still had a zone free to extend their combos.

[@kylianos3907]

Very good point. There's a lot of unexplored territory here. The only time we've really seen it mattering was in U-link formats. And we all know how fun those were.

[@ryionizer3622]

true!

[@bernardohenriquez8336]

Imagine if the Link Monsters came with this text: “THIS MONSTER MUST BE COLINKED IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE ITS EFFECTS”.

[@ryionizer3622]

@@bernardohenriquez8336 yeah, whats wrong with that? If links want to be ultra generic to summon, maybe they should have more requirements like needing to be colinked

[@kylianos3907]

@@bernardohenriquez8336 Sounds like a cool idea for a floodgate

[@Cassapphic]

My other issue with the knightmares is how they killed generic xyz monsters for the most part. Since its always easier to get any two guys than any two level 4s or whatever (even if your entire deck is the same level because links can use any extra deck monster as well), archetypes unless specifically built to make in archetype xyz monsters are always designed with a variety of levels on them, unlike in the past when archetypes would often have lined up levels to suit a theme. This means everyone has the exact same pool of utility cards rather than your deck's predominant level having different options. The rank 4 toolbox was the most iconic with stuff like castel and tornado dragon, but rank 3s had break sword and dire wolf as examples, rank 2s had the paleos. The only exception I can think of is combo decks that use level 8s such as blue eyes and ddd running some galaxy eyes cards but that doesnt really count.

[@xdragoonzero0]

How are Rank 3 decks making Dire Wolf?

[@luminous3558]

XYZ are still very much useful especially generic ones. Konami simply designed a bunch of the recent archetypes to not have same levels or lock them to other mechanics. Zeus existing already makes any utility XYZ so much stronger.

[@XxTHExHATExX]

@@xdragoonzero0 yeah, lol

[@12thLevelSithLord]

This is an issue with YGO's extra deck mechanics in general. Each one is more generic than the last so (outside of decks specifically themed around that mechanic) there's no real reason to use the prior mechanic when a new one comes out. Why need a specific spell and two or more guys with specific names when you can just get a tuner on the field and count stars? Why mess around with tuners and do math to get your stars to add up when you can just get two same level guys on board? Why bother needing to make sure your guys have the same level when you can just slap X dudes down with a basic type condition (like two Machines or Effect monsters or whatever) and go off? I genuinely think the reason Rush Duels exists as a thing with its own anime is because Konami's usual method of making a new extra deck mechanic more generic and broken than the last can't continue, at least not without a few years break for R&D to figure something out. How do you get more broken and generic than links without just removing all restrictions from the "get dudes on board, send to GY" mechanic?

[@MonteScarf]

It's probably my biggest issue with Links, other than just the existence of Accesscode and shit like that. Because links are so generic, they push other summoning mechanics out - the Knightmare monsters should all be banned due to being the most guilty of this by a WIDE margin. As you said: Why make Tornado Dragon, even in a rank 4 deck, when Phoenix does the same thing but better? The only downside is if you don't have a card to discard, but the upside is that you get to discard a card - and potentially draw one as well if it's co-linked.

[@colossaldonut5190]

When Floowandereeze plays on your turn everybody loses their minds, but when Tear does it people also lose their minds.

[@florinalinmarginean1135]

People would rather get submerged under pure value (Tear) rather than floodgates (Floo), even though the end result will be equally disgusting. However, it must be said Tear's way of going about it is overall healthier for the game. It's just that it's the only archetype with that kind of support at the moment

[@isidoreaerys8745]

I don’t even like when Dragonmaids or Branded start playing on my turn.

[@graysonshipley929]

2:40 “Until 2010 there is no reason to play YGO over magic the gathering” my brother in Christ you helped pioneer reaper format.

[@mrbigotes9974]

The fact that THE pioneer of one of the only pre-2010 relevant formats in YGO tells you that it's worthless to play really does say smth. Yugioh was just aimless during that era

[@mattr791]

yugioh early on was a mediocre mtg clone But a mediocre mtg clone is still going to have some good formats and offer some interesting gameplay

[@notaraven]

I think he is taking the piss a bit, but he has played more of pre 2010 format then almost anyone else. There is a high likelihood he is burnt out from all the CED, magical scientist, cyberstine, empty jar, and stall.... Cant blame him there. I personally like the pre synchro era because every card felt important, now every card flies in and out of the field like its an airport. Still i must concede that many times those old duels were just delaying the inevitable.

[@derpyquagsire6678]

Hot take: I feel like komami over did it with the power creep of omni negates especially synchros like we went from a level 12 that requires 1 Tuner Synchro Monster + 2 or more non-Tuner Synchro Monsters to a generic level 4 synchro that can easily be run over and sends itself to GY to activate its omni negate to a generic level 8 that just requires a link monster in the GY to generic level 10.

[@neonoah3353]

Imo, most synchros like baronee and etc should need either 2 nom tuners, or 1 tuner synchro.

[@randomprotag9329]

barone I find is well designed since its a one time thing where the timing of it becomes important. the issue is that inately the at the end phase and one time is less of a currentdownside due to game turn length often.

[@qweschuning]

I dont think those are bad i think how few decks can access that level of strength is bad. It leads to tier 0 formats

[@driftwisp2797]

The problem with omnis is not that it's too easy to get *an* omni. If my turn one board is Baronne and nothing else you can play through that no problem. The problem is only when omnis get layered and suddenly you're negating four effects per turn.

[@antonbrown17]

@@randomprotag9329 yeah while being incredibly powerful, Baronne is probably the best designed generic negate on a monster in years

[@Dr.CaveCurinas]

Hot take: the community's overall hate of omni-negates and floodgates, paired with Konami needing to print stronger and stronger cards to sell product due to no set rotation will inevitably lead to a ceiling of speed which I think Ishizu/Tear may be an indicator we are starting to reach. Being able to start setting up your board on your opponent's first turn when going second is probably the last major barrier to the maximum speed of the game, which will probably be setting up an endboard before your first turn when going second. Games can be effectively decided in 1-2 turns already and with the design space Ishizu/Tear seems to have opened up it's only a matter of time before Konami prints an archetype that effectively wins the game turn 1 regardless of going 1st or 2nd, and only an absolutely nuclear banlist or completely unreasonable floodgates activatable turn 1 will be enough to stop that

[@thorscape3879]

It's really simple: limit all main deck tears or ban them. Singular cards like Metamorphosis were able to define a meta and aspects of a single archetype like Drident and Broadbull were albe to do it too. Now there's an entire archetype that wholly defines the meta with a secondary unrelated archetype directly supporting it. The next step is to have one single deck that everybody uses. If I wanted to play goat format I'd play goat format. Fortunately Konami banhammered all of the goat defining cards. A nuclear ban list is needed, set rotation needs to be implemented, or formats need to be officially made that segregate away the modern broken cards from the modern lower power cards.

[@numimio]

No, ban the Ishizu cards. The Tearlament cards were fine until they dropped the cards that made them extremely consistent.@@thorscape3879

[@madanotap6492]

Generic payoffs should never have been a thing. Mixing archetypes with out of archetype cards is interesting and encourages creativity, but when the top 500 decks are all working towards the same end result, they can barely be considered different archetypes anymore, they're just different flavours of the-same-boss turbo

[@TheWrathAbove]

Hell, every deck using the same cards is the entire reason archetypes were created in the first place

[@Sandalphonium]

Splashing type/attribute support for a name based archetype should have been the limit of splashing

[@dimitrilepain3821]

This is what i can agree with. Noone bats an eye because of f-ing Dawn Dragster or Redoer, but Accesscode and Baronne are indeed highly problematic and game warping.

[@yuseifido5706]

I think the game right now is actually pretty diverse. Kashtira, Swordsoul, Branded, and Spright all do very different things. Having cards that lock you into specific mechanics was a good choice and should be done more often

[@RedMage95]

Also Joseph's argument for this being a healthy format boiled down is basically "It's a fun format if you're playing the best deck" which, regardless of whether or not you agree with him, is hilarious.

[@mattr791]

More funny is the fact that Joseph has been mainly playing floo this format

[@Agumame]

its essentially the argument "the american economy is doing great" during the lockdown in 2020 by only looking at how the biggest corporations were raking in money hand over fist..... while everyone else was struggling to pay rent

[@luminous3558]

Joseph just likes taking bad stances in arguments and then defending them against people who arent used to debating, see his recent take on innovation in videogames.

[@fdthqwerty]

Thats totally not what he said but okay

[@Jhawk2711]

@@fdthqwerty is it not? The tear mirror is literally the only interactive matchup this format. Floo floodgates or dies, Spright chains a bystial to every Tear name and everything is stomped by those two and tear. He can’t be talking about anything else.

[@fatman18k63]

I agree with the last hot take, we need new Gravekeeper's support. Give us a pendulum scale that lets us summon from grave ignoring Necrovalley's effect and an in archetype DNA Surgery but with the name "Gravekeeper's" instead of a typing.

[@Rahnonymous]

The last time Gravekeepers got support was back in the xyz era iirc (almost 10 years by now)

[@DoctorOaks]

@@Rahnonymous Not true actually. We literally just got "Gravekeeper's Trap" which is getting used a lot. It's just not used at all really in Gravekeepers

[@Cooldude-kc5wf]

you are suggesting a pendulum scale that commits literal blasphemy. Like these are supposed to be priests and religious acts. This isn't something you can just write out with new support its a fundamental part of their theming.

[@DoctorOaks]

@@Cooldude-kc5wf "Gravekeeper's Stelee" exists so I don't think it would be that unreasonable to see a retrained version that allows for a summon ignoring Necrovalley.

[@user-oq9jw7hb2g]

Nah, we have seen many viable decks that don’t need the GY, it isn’t black or white use gy or doomed. Gravekeepers should have more support but stay true to their original design, otherwise there’s really no point in playing them other than maybe nostalgia. I would suggest a shaddoll fusion kinda spell to consistently summon their boss turn 1 and a new gravekeeper that let u add a gravekeeper spell or trap when used as material. It might not be meta with just that but it certainly will be a strong rouge in format like tears, with consistent gy lock turn 1 and protection for necrovalley through their boss monster all with 1 card, other 4 cards in hand could be anything. If u had necrovalley in hand too u could search the omni trap or maybe it could somehow search royal tribute (that would be pretty degenerate lol)

[@Dw7freak]

Hot Take: Drytrons are okay as a ritual engine. The Herald ritual monsters are the problem with them. The Heralds of Perfection and Ultimateness were balanced around ritual cards requiring using levels as tribute and were given low attack because of their omni-negates. I want to make a Drytron deck that does something else, but everyone is just "omni-negate turbo". Can we just ban all non-trap omni-negates?

[@zifer123]

Bruv the best drytron version before wasn't even a Herald version, now the deck is dead in the current meta

[@starforce6751]

All Drytrons should be banished if they left the field or not being able to be summoned from grave,Drytrons are not ritual summon by Mu beta,they are just special summons,the same way tearlaments are not fusion summon,they are just special summons,Drytrons are a mistake

[@maximus2463]

Honestly I prefer turn skip drytron . Way more fun , and not even that bad

[@user-er8le9hn6v]

Isn't there a whole GX anime arc where the villain's main goal is to create super poly by killing people? Ofc the card is aweful when it is meta, it is literally evil.

[@whydotheseexistnow]

Lore nerd here, the answer is, like usual, kind of. Super Poly is basically a concentrated, borderline weaponized form of Judai/Jaden's "power," the darkness of creation. Yubel has a grudge against Jaden because of their contact with the light of destruction incidentally caused by him, and tries to corrupt the Supreme King (Jaden's counterpart, alter ego, and the original wielder of the darkness) and his authority by killing his friends and bringing him down into depravity and destruction as well, with the end goal of collapsing reality into a polymerized singularity.

[@zeppelincraft1443]

@@whydotheseexistnow It was very interesting how they interpreted “fusion” as something that can be forced upon and explored about what would happen if it never ended.

[@lukaschin1038]

I think the player going second should start with 6 in hand and not draw for first turn, just so that going first isn't as overpoweringly strong

[@impendio]

The pain of drawing the handtrap after they full combo you…

[@ShadowBaofu]

What is this, Shadowverse?

[@hirukashiro5995]

Wow this is actually a good take that I never thought of before. Rarely occurrence in a YT comment section lol. This really should be implemented. It doesn't change the game too much so it doesn't break things, but it has a definite positive impact for going 2nd

[@pandahero9464]

@@ShadowBaofu except shadowverse is actually shit even with that implemented

[@florinalinmarginean1135]

Wait, this is not a bad take

[@krullachief669]

Jesus christ, Stevie, Dire and the third editor I don't know by that thumbnail are actually carrying the community, backproblems and all

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

That's Crush Cards. Stevie is a horrible editor tho.

[@krullachief669]

@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. Might be, but he's still taking on a lot of work so might as well give him props for that. Also, thanks.

[@grimdeth2197]

ADD MORE SILLY NINTENDO MUSIC AND EPIC ZOOM INS...so back breaking

[@AllHailNannerpuss]

That's cap. You only watch this for MBT. This could be an unedited video and you would still watch it (see progrussy and MBT Clips). No hate to the editors but you're reaching.

[@r3zaful]

The hate towards suruji is real lmao Oh the salt from tcg players is delicious.

[@arpenki9938]

Hot take: Neos Alius was a fine card that didn’t have any problems at all.

[@Adderflail]

Bald

[@TheKABE09]

How is this a hot take? Neos Alius is great. 1900 beater, searchable through E, Stratos, ROTA and also a target for Gemini Spark

[@arpenki9938]

The above comment was made with slight hints of sarcasm

[@zawarudogaming3961]

Cope

[@nellewoodruff6337]

Free Stratos? Unfree Alius

[@teamsnowrabbit6386]

This format reminds me of how zoo format actually existed. The zoo mirror could have a ton of interaction, but in reality, it was an endless cascade of skilless blowouts like d barrier or maxx c

[@seanprice7408]

I used to collect the TCG, but never got into the actual competitive scene. I was into DL casually for a long time and got more into the lore & history behind Yugioh much more after the release of Master Duel. I am still far from up to date on the scene and everything that has gone down, but as cheesy as this may sound I love learning the history through your sarcastic commentary & these twitter trends. They especially help on rough days 👍👍

[@danielbeesley1326]

honestly ya gotta respect MBT taking “ackshually tier zero format good?” and making it his entire personality these last few weeks. it’s commitment to a bit that I deeply respect.

[@Carlet_S]

bit???

[@puppieslovies]

Narrator: it was not a bit

[@slanax97]

They should make a Pendulum Crystal Beasts retrain bc they were literally monsters that are also continuous spells before it was cool. Apparently they got pendulum support but those aren't actually Crystal Beast names or have the CB effect so putting them in the pendulum zones plugs up S/T zones that you then can't put actual Crystal Beasts in. Make them be able to pend summon CBs from the S/T zone. Let them be destroyed on the field, send themselves to the backrow, and when they do you can just put them into the pendulum zones to set scales if you want. Extra deck pendulum monsters can do it, why not the monsters that already turned into continuous spells three generations earlier.

[@Holothewolfx]

Not sure if you've done one but would be a fun video to see the cheapest cards that provide the best strength compared to their price tag.

[@JsPlace]

ambulo (level 5 predaplant fusion) would probably get posted so many times he'd get sick of it card reads like 2 custom cards put together

[@TheRealStratic]

Isn’t that just broke boy? Cause that’s already a series here

[@r3zaful]

Simple Play ocg cards Cheaper Cant read Japanese/korean? Learn

[@BlackEndsWhite]

kaleido heart is like $1 lmao

[@juvenileygo]

Strength is subjective and format dependant. And the price is also dynamic

[@luminous3558]

A yes the deck that sets up like 10 interactions and is able to rebuild its board on both players turns is fine because it doesn't floodgate you. Throw in a comment about how every format pre pote was just turbo floodgate meta and not just some decks teching rivalry or mine(which couldve just been banned to fix the otherwise very healthy format) and you got the perfect MBT contrarian opinion. Don't act like any rogue deck that isnt literally dshifter turbo with an archetype attached has any amount of game vs tear. You pray to draw shifter or floodgates while the tear player bricks or you lose.

[@thorscape3879]

"Tear is a fun and interactive format as long as you are also playing it so it's a good format." He said this with a straight face.

[@BandannaBread]

I really liked the knightmares by themselves. Good lore, interesting mechanics, doesn't lock your opponents out every single facade of the game. Unfortunately, them being so generic allows for them to be extremely versatile. Honestly, I feel like reprinting the Knightmares (At least the banned ones) to make it so that they're archetype locked, and giving them some more main deck monsters to use would be a lot of fun (The World Legacy Lore is well made enough to where it should be possible to add in additional cards to the archetype). As long as Gumblar is still banned, it probably wouldn't be too bad. I don't know if it would be viable, but I think it'd be fun to play pure Knightmare/Knightmare + World Legacy. Note: Goblin and Mermaid 100% need their effects adjusted either way if they were reprinted tbh (Ex: Goblin is limited to an extra summon for Knightmare/Fiend Monsters, and Mermaid is limited to non-link monsters if more Knightmares were made). The generic support that they provide is just amazing for anything that could use it.

[@frankwest5388]

Knightmares should only ever have gotten their effects while co-linked in the first place

[@BandannaBread]

@@frankwest5388 That's fair tbh. Their whole gimmick is co-linking so it makes sense.

[@snowboundwhale6860]

@@frankwest5388 While it's certainly a heavy hit to them, it does effectively stop the issue of "Any 2 bodies = MST" that Phoenix presents since it'd need another link out already that isn't used as material.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@frankwest5388 and suddenly almost no one would play them

[@tyranitararmaldo]

Link Monsters should have non-generic materials. And by that I mean archetype Links should require ONLY their archetypes to summon. That way people would actually had to think about main deck construction a bit more than just "I will jam as many Link monsters that go +1 as possible" into their extra for years. Meanwhile the archetypes those cards were meant to help still get to use them at full force. Also agree that Super Poly should have never come off the banlist. How on earth did anyone think it was ok to bring that back as the game got more powerful...it just gets MORE impactful as time goes on.

[@sammydray5919]

Because back then super poly targets weren't as stupid as they are nowadays. Its an absolutely poorly designed card but it was somewhat tolerable because its targets were extremely limited than what they are today

[@doubl2480]

My take is the same as the Knightmare one, but for Apollousa (and probably other stuff like Saryuja). Apo doesn't even need you to commit to a certain type of deck... like, by the past we had Nat Beast but it only works with both EARTH materials so it's not playable LITERALLY EVERYWHERE. Get any monsters together, turn them into 2 to 4 non-once per turn bonus monster negates, yay. Omni negation should have remained on trap cards, or on specific boss monsters that reward you for playing specific types, attributes, archetypes or mechanics.

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

THIS EXACTLY THIS. People say that even shooting quasar is OP but they don't even get how difficult it is to make.

[@justaninkling]

My hot take is that Gemini monsters could be playable, you either give them overpowered effects so the cost of 2 normal summons is justified, or you have a mechanic where they have one effect on first summon and another effect on second. I know just saying "give op effect" is kinda a cop out, but when some things have really good effects on summon, I feel it really balances a more high risk high reward play.

[@rashodmasters4299]

Chemicritter can absolutely abuse Normal monster effect cards

[@kylianos3907]

They'd be soooo much better if they were also treated as normal monsters in deck. But then again, why would you ever play actual normal monsters then?

[@matthewkeeling886]

On MD I frequently play a Kozmo-Dogmatica toolbox deck. It is absolutely not summoning from the extra deck normally. Knighrmares Phoenix and Unicorn ARE STILL IN THE EXTRA AND GET USED. That is all.

[@qweschuning]

Post credits MBT is better than post credits MCU

[@pyrusvincent1029]

Tears are absolutely not fine, and are only somewhat tolerable in the mirror match when, if you lose the diceroll/coinflip, your opponent playing the game lets you get YOUR combo going as well.

[@dunslax3]

Everyone thinks this besides Tear players that have to cope and justify their 400$ investment (such as MBT)

[@jabermogwai5996]

@@dunslax3 and you also have people like coder who says playing againts tear is much more enjoyable compare to playing againts branded despia pre pote.

[@Alberio1]

It's ok buddy. You can handle our horrible takes for one video if we can handle yours every day. :^)

[@qweschuning]

Hot take that we excessively clown konami every time they make a garbage 'fair' archetype because w tear they prove they can make a good archetype and choose to make so many archetypes bad.

[@EnergyBurst2]

5:53 Dude I felt exactly the same the moment I saw that Cyber End Dragon art like that, and I don't even play Cydras.

[@therealHLY]

Joseph continuing to prove himself a magic player more and more with every take

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

For the Knightmares I think that's kind of an extension of Konami has gone too far with generic cards being good.

[@Celestia282]

I do really wonder what Yugioh would look like in a world where the game focused more on the mind game aspect of face down cards rather that pumping out infinite special summons. I feel like the game created an intensely unique and interesting mechanic that truly separates it from all other card games and then just ignored it completely. Seems like wasted potential.

[@yvltc]

Rewatching the anime right now and it's so funny to me when Yugi sees a face down and always thinks twice about attacking, it's one of the things that make them so captivating. Anime duels (at least in Duel Monsters and GX, I haven't really watched much starting from GX) are always so fun to watch even if they're just unga bunga decks with plot armour.

[@thorscape3879]

This happened. It's called Reaper format and battle traps are absolute blowout cards that people generally dislike. They were the original "I hate floodgates" because what it did was force you to build your board but then not attack for five turns while you slowly remove the back row.

[@EJsGameplay]

Yugioh needs a great casual format like Magic has Commander. Something where 90% of the tier B-D stuff can actually breath a bit. Edit: Wow, I didn't think it was possible to misunderstand what I said that badly, but that's on me forgetting where I am. Gold in MD is actually a pretty good example of what I mean, not singleton or multiplayer, I was comparing it to Commander in the sense that unless you establish that you're playing cEDH, there's basically an agreement that while you're decks can be good at what they do, no one is really trying to be hyper competitive. I think less generic meta staples would help a lot in this regard personally.

[@graysonshipley929]

100% I hope someday we get a video or two of maybe seeing how only one copy per card would work. Maybe JJ will be that type casual fun format who knows.

[@yusingyow5859]

@@graysonshipley929 you mean trinity format?

[@matthewkeeling886]

No, it doesn't. It needs a proper (and supported) Pauper style format to sweep away the invincible boss monsters and other overpowered nonsense. Notably, ALL Magic formats can be played as 3+ player formats and EDH is the least suited for that style of play due to how combo heavy it is. This leads to very long and uninteractive turns. Now, where have I heard of that happening before?

[@graysonshipley929]

@yusingyow5959 I have now! Looks fun…. Also I wonder if rush duels would fit for that casual type format, pls Konami I wanna play chair archetype so bad.

[@OyVeey]

There's actually a format very similar to Commander that I've seen decklists for on ygoprodeck, called Domain format. You pick a single card that's always in your opening hand, and make a 60/15 card singleton deck/ED with monsters that share attribute, type and/or archetype with it, and any spells/traps including banned ones.

[@xdragoonzero0]

5:00 I could see Links still fitting in if they correctly balanced ED monsters around their actual summoning mechanics, but this is Konami we're talking about.

[@simonteesdale9752]

Hot take from an MTG player with an interest in YGO: Archetypes should be a subtype (like toon), rather than referring to parts of a card's name. This would avoid all the translation issues and let Konami make names like SPYGAL without screwing over the cards. Example: [Monster/Effect/Aqua/Frog]

[@elijahnewcomb6230]

Not a hot take - most ygo fans recognize this was a massive screw up in the game design lol

[@jamismiscreant7514]

they can already make cards like sypgal. they can and have put in the effect text that the card counts as part of an archetype. personally i dislike the notion of additional subtype bloat and this also occasionally limits design space ie dark magician wouldn't be printed with a subtype and they would have to errata the card to print support for it.

[@rosem325]

Tbf SPYGAL Misty being worthless because of the pun could have been fixed by just putting “this card is always treated as a SPYRAL card”

[@shadowofdimentio4618]

The problem would be cards that have no archetype to begin with or are part of multiple archetypes. They also did do that. Aqua was supposed to be a playstyle like how blue is in magic. The problem was that they liked narrowing it down even further and the amount became too much to consider since there's no rotation. I don't think archetypes are the problem at all since Konami can always make a name a pun and part of it. Spygal is a tcg card. Like it was made in america. They intentionally made it a SPYGAL and not SPYRAL to keep the power of the deck low. There are other cards with similar fates. There's an archetype called Lunalights with monsters that searches lunalight cards and a spell called 'Luna Light' in both regions that cannot be searched due to the space. Basically while I agree it's solid it means very little in terms of actual design.

[@simonteesdale9752]

@@jamismiscreant7514 because YGO cards famously have room for text space...

[@jacobwoodman4488]

trap cards should always have the strongest effects, like solemn judgement and torrential tribute. They are the slowest type of card, which means they should always have big payoffs. Also, you can rarely actually close a game with trap cards, most decks will still need monsters to attack with. Instead, monsters have the same effects as trap cards at no real cost(stardust dragon at least had to tribute itself to negate destruction). I think this is apart of the personality of the game moving away from the duelist and to the monster. It's less "look at this cool duelist, he has all these trap cards" like in the Duel Monsters show, people think a lot more about the archetypes of cards than the people who use them

[@kacpikachu5951]

Should tell you how much of a mistake the knightmares were that I was unironically playing Phoenix in Despia for a bit because it meant that I didn’t auto-lose to Mine or Anti-Spell, particularly in game 1. Also, disagree wholeheartedly with IshTear being a good thing. I think 3-ish deck formats are optimal provided no more than 1 are floodgate spam. But the reason I really dislike IshTear is because it bends far too many rules, to the point that any deck that wants to compete has to either bend as many rules or be built specifically to counter IshTear. Konami is going to want to keep making money, and the only ways I see them being able to do that is to either ban IshTear into submission or continue to make cards that bend more and more rules until the game eventually devolves into both of you just chucking cards at each other essentially at random because any semblance of order was overwritten by power creep. In short, IshTear is a deck that has pushed the rules to their limits, and needs to be removed for the good of the game, even if that means bidding farewell to what some consider to be a great format.

[@SammyK-jt3vv]

the only problem i have with ish tear is that everything it has is far too generic, the tears activate when sent to grave by basically anything, the bystials are just a mistake of an archetype in general, and it's miserable trying to activate any GY effects with the ishizu cards around and of course the fact that none of its cards lock you into anything, if the bystials were meant to be branded support why did they not make it so you were fusion locked? i can understand why people like the format, it's incredibly interactive and "has no floodgates" (ignore the easy to make abyss dweller), but when the deck has an in archetype solemn strike that isn't once per turn, can easily make baronne and has the ability to abuse the spright cards and Beatrice, all on the same endboard, that's a serious problem

[@takodachi1239]

@@SammyK-jt3vv yeah my biggest problem with Tear is that it's too free and never lock you to anything. At least spright lock you into 2 midway in the combo, branded lock you into fusion by just sneeze. But Tear can make their fusion, Baron, dweller, I:P and more in 1 turn,

[@dariuspenner2528]

People sucking off TOSS format really forgot how bad it was having any 2 monsters left on the field turn into a Mermaid to give you full Orcust combo. Sorta like how any 2 monsters used to give us Verte. Or the Orcust line that went into Rusty to Azathot you. Or Thunder Dragon ending on Colossus, hand looping you with Levianeer, and using the Guard Dragons to spit out Hot Red Dragon Archfiend Abyss and a 3-4 mat Appo. Or Skystriker looping Pot of Greed half a dozen times over the course of a game. Or banishing your single Gazelle of Desires and crying on the inside.

[@shawnjavery]

Apo wasn't around when danger thunder was a good deck. Nibiru pretty much killed that deck. Rusty into azzathoth was cancerous but it had a decent amount of outs at least. Striker was pretty annoying ngl. They didn't always pop off, hell they rarely did. I remember a guy going upstart into fbg into pot of desires into double engage and ending with 6 in hand, 2 judgements and a tcboo set, multi role widow shiz, and I just lost. Pop offs like those were so annoying.

[@goomyiscute777]

My hot take is that I don’t get why people will go “oh I love the dynamic between yugi and the pharaoh” and then turn around and say “Yuma is the only yugioh protagonist to need a magic ghost to be good at the game” as if Yuma and Astral isn’t just yugi and the pharaoh

[@KingRoni1222]

Here's a take, whether it's hot or otherwise: Archetypes should be less generic. Problematic cards that belong to archetypes now (such as Toadally Awesome) should be banned, and later down the road be retrained to only serve the archetype in question. In return for archetypes being less generic, better generic support should be printed as well. It is a waste of both material and money to constantly print cards for the sole purpose of being essentially pack filler (I do not endorse the end of "gimmicky lower power cards", per say, but cards that are simply inapplicable in any sense should cease being printed)

[@isidoreaerys8745]

It’s absolutely ridiculous the piles and piles of plastic and packaging, and worthless cardboard I have to go through to get the 1 card that is actually used in the Yugioh card game.

[@KingRoni1222]

@@isidoreaerys8745 so infuriating, right?

[@KingRoni1222]

I know it's been a little bit, but still feel like clarifying "gimmicky funny" cards and just trash; I want to stop seeing shit like Parry Knights, but there's also that silly ass alt win condition level 6 Xyz that goes around the board over and over again, stuff like that can be printed.

[@JakeTheJay]

Not really a hot take, but Link monsters are not really caring about the fact they are links. Any effect that summons a monster on a link should use the zones they point to, in fact, the arrows need to be used more in general. And link with a negate effect should tribute a monster they point to. Summon conditions should be stricter as well, requiring a monster of the same type or archetype to summon. If links were harder to splash in every deck and weren't used as generic monsters and actually leaned into their unique mechanics, the game would be SOO much better.

[@fuzzythoughts8020]

Shout out to Dire, if she can hear this from her prison cell where she's chained up next to a coffee pot and a computer. That much editing... You deserve a nice vacation.

[@Direk091]

Dire is like the Emperor of Man from Warhammer but instead of sacrifing psychics to stay alive it's coldbrew and twitter into her veins

[@ashikjaman1940]

Konami should print more Generaider support for her

[@edwardbenson4795]

Hot take : all locals should allow you to play with proxies, but if you do,you get a less good prize if you top. I wanna play kashtira when it gets good but finrir is already $70 a copy and the deck isn't relevant yet. I'm not trying to pay $600 for a deck that I'm not taking to a regional or ycs.

[@papiderpy]

or if it was no reward for winning that would be okay. cause if you dont want to shell out money to play yugioh, you probably shouldn't qualify for prize rewards. cause its unfair to others who do spend money on the game if you even get half of what they earned from winning

[@golemqueen1988]

I think it'd be crazy interesting to see how much the tcg would change with 5 or 10 cards in the ED.

[@luminous3558]

Just would be a worse game overall as decks that don't need the extra deck would stay the same while others get nerfed. Card design would then powercreep ED monsters to make the combo decks that people play yugioh for playable again. A better change would be to just ban a whole bunch of utility ED monsters that allow for easy outs to stuff you shouldnt have easy outs to(accesscode, borrelsword, knightmare phoenix, unicorn)

[@trujenius9645]

@@luminous3558 ok then back row/control decks that dont have easy outs become too good. And games still take as long not because of giant combos that reach eventually into the extra deck but slow games muddled by floods and their protection. Not mad or anything just saying it does not resolve much.

[@kidumby7599]

The problem doesn't seem to be the presence of easy outs necessarily so much as it is the fact they're ultrageneric

[@ashikjaman1940]

Sounds awful imo

[@ether2275]

It would not help at this point in the game's lifespan since it would only serve to kill a bunch of extra deck spam.

[@mathewricafrente5984]

Pot of Greed should go to 3 for 1 format. Just for shits and giggles.

[@AZ-rl7pg]

No, no. He's got a point.

[@The_Vanni]

It would literally be the same thing but worse

[@Merilirem]

@@The_Vanni If it stopped people from saying pot is ok as a card then it would be worth it. Follow it up by bringing back Graceful.

[@The_Vanni]

@@Merilirem i guess

[@luminous3558]

@@The_Vanni People after experiencing their opponent starting with 6/7 cards instead of 5/6.

[@randomprotag9329]

one simple fix that I would find massively help with reading cards. is using the rush methods for levels its easier to read a number with out making mistakes than a list of symbols. where once it get to l7+ its more memory that reduces mistakes not reading cards

[@dragonstwilight6389]

As a labrynth player, I've only ever stooped to playing 1 floodgate, ever: Non fusion area. I need some cope to help me with the ishizu tear players at my locals, but I still feel bad about resorting to floodgates

[@nicoberard5533]

Same here, i play the deck too and only play rivalry as my floodgate of choice but its only there for tear to even give me a chance

[@DrAiPatch]

Same...... My floodgate is Imperial Iron Wall

[@thorscape3879]

I don't feel bad about it. If my opponent gets to play game warping cards then so do I. I main deck Rivalry and side in to Soul Drain when I know I'm going first. I also main deck Floodgate Trap Hole and Gravedigger's Trap Hole.

[@Element_Doom]

Lmao, "Neither of the decks will lock you out of the game" Tear can easily shit out a Winda

[@Daenijel]

Fully agree. Winda, Dweller, 1-3 negates including a counter trap, so much interruption that you can basically not play at all...this locks me out of the game and isn't as easy to play around/side against as most floodgates

[@Jhawk2711]

What list is playing winda

[@DrAiPatch]

Who playing anything that can be used for Winda?

[@Jhawk2711]

@@DrAiPatchnone of the topping lists lmao.

[@randomname9723]

I cannot believe the "hot takes" on Reddit whenever banned cards come up saying stuff like "pot of greed honestly isn't even that good and could go to 1"

[@jkid1134]

Please make a sequel called No Longer Enduring Your Yugioh Opinions featuring a flamethrower and whatever hole these people live in

[@waskithonugroho3955]

the reduced extra deck size could make ygo more diverse or just make stronger deck more stronger cuz the weaker deck won't have any chance to cram universal engine as answer to stronger deck

[@caster25000]

To put down one that I had put in the thread: Blaster, Redox, and Tidal could all come back to 1 and fucking nothing would change.

[@shawnjavery]

They could all come to 3 and not much would change right now.

[@Switchell2]

My hot take: Anime cards should've always been printed as-is. Yes many of them are incredibly busted or even flat out don't make sense. We have a banlist for broken cards and cards with nonsensical rulings.

[@bencrandall-malcolm8303]

agreed, what they did to Graceful Charity is an absolute tragedy They should've printed it broken or never printed it to begin with

[@theauberman]

As-is or buffed.

[@velphidrow]

@@bencrandall-malcolm8303 bro what

[@carpedm9846]

I want anime Egyptian Gods and Anime Meklords. I think theyd be fun. Just slap the restriction "you can only summon Meklord monsters" to the meklord pieces and you dont need to worry about someone using them for link plays

[@warewameshianarihahaha4845]

@@carpedm9846 then you remember that anime/Manga gods is basically a RR Ultimate Falcon on Crack that can ftk you(Obelisk)

[@RedMage95]

When it comes to hot takes and how to "fix" yugioh it just comes down to personal preferences backed up with personal experiences. I can see why some people like the modern combo centric play style of the modern game but I personally yearn for a time when games (typically anyway) went on for longer than four turns- a dance of resource management as both players advanced towards their gameplan. Nowadays it can feel like Im just hoping I draw whatever board breaker my deck happens to be running so I don't get OTK'd. Even so I do recognize that the time I wish to be back at again never existed, at least not exactly as I remember it. But even knowing that my nostalgia is blinding me a bit I do wish we could do something about all these god damn mermaids.

[@ItsPForPea]

Try rush duel, it's not the same game you loved but it sure is going to give you the multiple turn, resource management game.

[@RedMage95]

@@ItsPForPea That's definitely on my to do list, I'll have to rally up my locals at some point.

[@luminous3558]

@@ItsPForPea It literally lets you draw 5 every game, what resources do you even manage besides vomiting your hand on the board to draw 5 again?

[@ItsPForPea]

@@luminous3558 1. Some strategies requires you to not dump all cards in your hand, setting spells could also be risky since that means it'll be vulnerable to removals, and you have to manage the way you use your five cards in hand to make the most out of it. 2. Many effects requires you to mill or shuffle from GY to deck as a cost. You have to be careful activating these if you don't want to go deck out. Shuffling isn't always good since there's no deck searching in this game, when a card is shuffled back to the deck, it stays in there until you hard draw it again, while if it stays in GY, some card can retrieve it back. Sure it's not as complicated as master duel (it never meant to be) but doesn't mean it's brainless either.

[@hanakoisbestgirl4752]

Dire's take made me think I wonder what the game would be like if every single card was semi'd or full on limited

[@astercat49]

I’ve heard a few people (mostly Cjelex) saying that Accesscode and Borrelsword are problems because they facilitate easy OTKs, and while I do think that Accesscode is probably ban worthy, I think Borrelsword is fine. Borrelsword actually requires resource investment to make, and needs some set up to actually OTK. Accesscode is insanely easy to make, and unless you specifically have removal or targeted effect negation, will wipe your entire board and smack you for 5300 damage. It probably should go if Konami ever decides to slow down the pace of the game.

[@zaifir8119]

Most things could probably be improved by making them less generic if they are really powerful. Why isn't accescode a cyberse/code talkers specific card instead of just a dude who exists in basically every extra deck?

[@JacobKendrick]

I think the issue is boss monsters have just gotten bigger, every boss is 3k + now and you put 3 of them on the board, in hat format your end board was 2 1800-2400 guys usually, decks don't even need to play borrelsword or access anymore

[@RegiRuler]

That Knightmare Phoenix take is so UNBELIEVABLY correct. It was actually cathartic.

[@ScarHydreigon87]

Control decks are harder than Combo decks due to needing much more knowledge of both your opponent's deck and the gamestate

[@papiderpy]

yeah activate skill drain, response?

[@ScarHydreigon87]

For floodgate/stun decks maybe, but for control decks focused on disruptions such as Sky Striker, it becomes more complicated because using a disruption at the wrong time can result in a waste of resources when your opponent can play right through it @@papiderpy

[@LexLuxray]

Dire casually roasting herself is the funniest shit ever

[@fluffdafire157]

I don't know if it's a hot take but I think pendulums aren't as bad as people think and the leash can be loosened a little bit ( at least let them out the extra monster zone without needing to ask daddy link if they can)

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

Pendulums are really just overhated tbh but no I think summoning 5 from the extra deck to the monster zones is a bit busted especially since all of the support they got to make up for losing that ability in the first place in the form of electrumite and now beyond the pendulum

[@fluffdafire157]

@@Honest_Mids_Masher while I don't disagree that summon 5 is a bit stupid other decks could do that even before pendulums and I think the only reason people focus on that is just cause it sounds ridiculous it's not the killing note for pendulums I think what pushes it over is pendulum effects having a completely separate effect and them counting as spells in the pendulum zone is just versatile to the point that some cards just get net benefits from it ( guiding ariadne and a few of the odd-eyes cards come to mind) on top of that monster effects that activate on destruction still work

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

@@fluffdafire157 Summoning 5 isn't the issue I have the issue I have is that it's the extra deck monsters that the opponent just destroyed I mean if I played abyss actors (which I do) I'd be turboing out superstars and wild hopes with extreme ease and would always have unlimited resources essentially The whole spell effect is what the average person has an issue with due to them not being able to read that I can agree with and I'm a pendulum player bit ain't no way in hell am I gonna be reading Endymion. As for the versatility thin it at least has the restrictions on the spell and trap zone which is why there aren't that many pendulum trap decks. Frankly the pendulum effects are fair and balanced but people just can't see that over the amount of words nor do they see it from the pendulum player's perspective.

[@fluffdafire157]

@@Honest_Mids_Masher yeah that's one problem I sadly never could solve in my ideas is the recursion of cards sent to the extra deck and returning especially now since we have stronger single use pendulum effects if they were usable in repetition or just repeated amount of bodies on board would be to overwhelming( could you imagine link monsters with the summon 5 pendulum every turn)

[@RegiRuler]

I think the following would be an acceptable scenario: 1. Some pend cards are re-hit 2. You can choose to play pendulum with full extra deck summoning, but if you do you cannot link summon monsters The second could probably achieved with a card effect though. Pendulum was historically designed such that, with a few very specific exceptions, if you actually made anything with them you needed A. to waste another card to perform the summon (fusion spells, non-pend tuners), or B. lost some or all of the pendulums used (most early pend tuners, xyz materials). This was an interesting design space that while had some abuse, was balanceable prior to the existence of link summoning.

[@tylerwilson3800]

Desert locust is still pretty accessible via hop earred squadron when I play Generaiders lol. I then go into Fleur.

[@rafi...___]

Hot takes : make yugioh deck building lock you to only have max 2 archetype. seriously, barrone, verte, halq, these cards have an archetype. so why does striker can play halq into selene or any deck can play verte to dpe. lock so that you can only at max play 2 archetype in the same deck, like lets say you play tearlament danger, now you cant put accesscode talker, or knightmare.

[@areono460]

Also I noticed one huge problem that bothers me extremely which is to many generic extra deck monsters that aren't archtype specific which makes everyone have the same extra decks no individuality ya know it gets tire some

[@nnnp634]

My takes sorted on how (un)reasonable they are 1) Errata should only fix wording. If they want a similar but weaker, they should just print it, it's not like there's a small number of legal cards. That way, original card keeps being playable in traditional format and returns 90% of the time after power creep. 2) Big tournament's top 8 should be played on a simulator. Yugioh has a potential to be a spectator sport as well, but who (among new players or non players) in a right mind would watch an event where they can't clearly see the cards being played, can't read what they do, and has to endure 10 minutes of shuffling (I would rather watch Neymar rolling on a ground than shuffling) 3) Gumblar wouldn't be good this format or any of the last couple of formats 4) Ban lists should be much more liberal. What's the big deal if they release too powerful card once in a while. It's much more annoying to watch card being banned 10 years longer than it should be. More than half the list is completely unnecessary.

[@andrejv.2834]

3 is maybe correct for this format specifically, but every format from may to now has been way too diverse with plenty on non gy decks, like imagine handlooping a spright player for 4 The reason why konami won't do 4 is because that'd hurt sales

[@exec_rigveda8299]

I wish they kept links as "support tools to older decks" with a few link focused decks. The knightmare package and accescode talker really arent fun. Acces really should have been cyberse only.

[@Daenijel]

"Hot" take: I really like Jospeh but this format is cancer for anyone not wanting to play tear for one of the multiple valid reasons. Those being subjective ofc, but here are some I heard and partially share: too expensive, uninteresting artwork, uninteresting playstile, exhausting and frankly boring games to play and watch, often hitting time limit, supporting another level of powercreep, raising the barrier of entry, repetitiveness, playing on the opponents turn, invalidating other strategies like Dark World...

[@StarfieldDisarray]

The Bystials do more to shut out decks like Dark World than any of the Tear/Ishizu cards. Even if you get your locals to run Underdog and cut Tear (this is something you can do now) you'll still have Magnamut chokeslamming your Light/Dark decks.

[@xenopium4209]

Missed opportunity to call it YU-GI-OH!PINION

[@KyanbuXM]

I missed this. So here's my Hot Take; Dragon Rulers can come back to 1 each and be fine. Probably 3 each. Hell give them a Structure Deck too

[@DrAiPatch]

Dragon link is still a thing so no they can not.

[@JacobKendrick]

@@DrAiPatch they suck in d link, the bystials was the biggest power bump to dlink since elpy and the deck is still rogue. They aren't light or dark, they aren't level 4 or lower, they require setup when current dlink decks don't even play tempest cause it's a bad extender. They could go to 3 and none would see play in d link

[@nnnp634]

@@DrAiPatch Little chaos dragons are more useful

[@ryancouris5755]

Hot take: Big boards can potentially be fun to interact with as long as they're not OVERLY oppressive. Picking apart a board is one of the most satisfying things in the game. The key being if they're not OVERLY oppressive; 1-2 negates are fine, 3 is manageable but pushing it, and any more than that it becomes way too overbearing. (So no, I am NOT justifying release Master Duel Drytrons with 6+ negates) By extension, another hot take: Negates aren't the problem as much as cards that negate AND act as removal. Boss monsters that negate without destroying/banishing and/or cards that destroy/banish without negating are actually pretty interactive and healthy, all things considered. Hot take #3: Stardust Dragon and Light and Darkness Dragon are the best designed boss monsters in the game's history, with Unchained Abomination being close up there. This sort of coincides with my 2nd hot take, and although Stardust negates AND destroys, you have to choose to sacrifice your Stardust for the rest of the turn to do it, which provides meaningful thought and interaction from both players (on top of Stardust only negating destruction effects, which are the most common removal effects making it extremely powerful for a long period of time, and non-destruction removal was also reasonable enough to access at the time).

[@thorscape3879]

Stardust is a very balanced card but my favorite boss is White Zoa of Dogmatika. It protects the archetypal cards from extra deck monster effects and can either mill to the GY the opposing extra deck/hand or send all opposing extra deck field monsters back to the extra deck. The archetype already mills the extra deck so if they have no monsters in the extra deck left they have to return their field monsters back to the extra deck. The only things unaffected are bosses immune to card effects which Zoa can beat over or trade with at 4000 attack.

[@ronniervg3952]

konami should errata cards to work FOR THEIR OWN ARCHETYPE union carrier with unions halq with crystrons and verte with predap so annoying a sad to see fun or rogue players lose one of their best cards to meta abuse. It's like when Aatrox mains in SOLO que had to endure their champ getting 8 nerfs because of PRO PLAY.

[@RealTrachta]

Even though I think the game was peak from 2010-2017, some pre 2010 formats are a blast

[@helloitsme472]

Joseph being on his "the tear 0 format is fine take" is still wild to me like yeah, Tear isnt explicitly saying "you can't play the game" but it is implicitly saying it cos whilst their boards are "mid" those boards can literally be made every single turn off of 1 Tear mill and when you've got cards like Cryme, Sulliek and even Rulkallos that proc all of your Tears AND are interruptions... not to mention you've got Keldo, Mudora and the Bystials to ensure that the GY is never getting touched

[@andrejv.2834]

Their boards aren't even mid, they're crazy You end on almost as many disruptions as full power drytron while being able to do it during both player's turns and being more consistent And on top of that tear locks decks out of their gy resources with mudora/keldo/dweller, and the shufflers came out during a format where almost every top deck was heavily reliant on the gy

[@lievmichkinoidiota7429]

Hot take: Pure tear was a fine deck, very flexible and possible to play against, the ishizu cards were the broken ones.

[@helloitsme472]

@@lievmichkinoidiota7429 I agree, but still look at the Tearlament archetype and find me a single of their cards that didn't see play. granted cards like Heartbeat and Metanoise saw LESS play, but they're still nuts

[@maxa7535]

Im so braindead i read the ending as "Payed It Or Smore" for like 5 minutes before i realized what it said..

[@maxa7535]

Update: just tested on the wife and she read it the same way lmfao

[@morkad]

I love fusion decks so I will never play super poly at any less than the maximum legal number of copies in any deck I play

[@thorscape3879]

Unless you play Albaz who is a Super Poly on legs and having it actually nukes the consistency of the deck.

[@kylianos3907]

I want to go against the grain and say that generic power-cards aren't all bad. They should definitely knock it down a peg, but their existence is a good way for budget players to branch out into new strategies, being able to take some staples with them. (This doesn't really work if the staples are 150$ Secret rares though).

[@Timeater]

This is my conspiracy theory... Konami is creating all these powerful cards to balance their entire library overall. In a near future, we will see even more banned cards coming back because Konami will conclude that in order to balance the game the only solution is to make all decks powerful enough.

[@jeremyadkins9665]

That sounds like the villain's plot for "The Incredibles" (When all decks become good enough to play... NONE OF THEM WILL BE!)

[@jobejacobs62]

Honestly, years ago, Konamis plan is to unban all the old school cards so they can come off the banlist by creating these new tear 0 formats. Something tells me if Pot of Greed gets off the list, its last Tier 0 format might involve Yugis monsters, basically Dark Magician.

[@leotamer5]

@@jobejacobs62 There is no power-level where Pot of Greed can come off the list, unless there is so many powerful draw spells, you have to start cutting Pot of Greed to fit your pieces of Exodia. You print "Pot of Super Greed" to draw 3 cards? Well ok, I run both it and Pot of Greed. That is to say you can't make a situation where you can unban Pot of Greed. You could make an extra deck monster you can summon for free whenever an opponent plays pot of greed to negate pot of greed and it is an omni-negate. Have the game develop into a Pot of Greed themed game of chicken.

[@Alcadeias90]

Desert locust is easily done with melffy. They have a one card combo that goes into an immune satellite warrior with up to 3 pops.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

I heard bad opinions and came a running: The fact that Goat Format majorly innovated itself during the COVID pandemic because of a massive influx of new players and what was before almost indisputable truth, that Goat Control was the best deck, became summarily proven to be wrong says a lot about how insular the community was and that it was more interested in maintaining status quo than anything else.

[@Adderflail]

Goat control was known to not be the best for a while tho...

[@mrbigotes9974]

The thing was, Goat was a casual, good-old-days format rather than a competitive one for the most part, and people wanted to remember that era for the times when YGO was more control oriented and NSummon pass which they grew up to. the moment you go take a competitive lens to that format you realize Dagger Elma- RML FTK is a 80% winrate deck, and that shit was known since forever.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

@@mrbigotes9974 It's not even that though. It was well know in Goat that Royal Magical Library FTK (the actually good one) was by win rate the best deck. What I'm talking about are more recent developments, where Goat Control is now more of a Tier 2 deck and decks revolving around Chaos Sorc are much more clearly the "best" deck of the meta. It was a nostalgia format, but for a very long time Goat control being the best was defined law. There were other decks you "could" play like ReasonGate which were genuinely fun but got you shit from the community. It was so much more about keeping the persona of Goat alive.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Basically, its astonishing that in the shortish period of the lockdown and the lack of paper play in Yugioh that the format had more innovation in it than in over a decade of annoying elitist opinions on whatever modern Yugioh was at the time and a return back to "skill" based Yugioh.

[@bernardohenriquez8336]

Hot Take: This might sound insane but I think we need a card or multiple cards that can bring back cards that are banished that aren’t extra deck monsters.

[@pedropaulofaria6126]

I will leave mine here: Colossus should be unbanned in the TCG not only because of the fact that he had been terribly powercrepd but because hesonly a degenerate card in the complete board of a combo deck with 3+ negates. Just ban cupid pitch instead wich is the card that made colossus splashable in any combo deck. Thunder dragons would still not be viable with him, the archetype needs at least two new support cards to be competitively viable.

[@alexdalyin9105]

I pogged at the Extra Deck size hot take came during the stream and here i am doing it again. Never would've thought you'd also be on that wave length as well

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

Heavy Slump is the underrated counter to Maxx C. Unless they draw into something like Super Poly or Droplets, you can shuffle back their hand and leave them with just 2 cards.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

I’ve never resolved a Heavy Slump, Loli on Goblin crime is too ubiquitous.

[@SoggyWaffles.]

i spent way too long trying to figure out why dire put up "payed it or smore"

[@chaos_magician6689]

My hot take: SK Starving Venom and the Tyrant Neptune should come back since they give an interesting interaction to cards in the GY. You really only need to ban Independent Nightingale and they would be fine.

[@MrDanno]

MY DEAR NEPTUNE YES Even if he was at 1 and was a part of ridiculously broken decks, he's just too based of a card to be kept in the banned vault for good. GX Manga goated.

[@silent7159]

The made the switch with Nightingale and Neptune in the OCG. SK Starving Venom creates issues with card design

[@nnnp634]

Neptune was probably ok with Nightingale. Starving Venom was just as much and probably more powerful in Pend Magicians without Nightingale.

[@Hamboarding]

I vibe with Red Reboot @ 2. I was sad that the card comes back! But ar th same time I understand the Knoghtmares bit. Also: Having a tier 0 deck is very expensive contra a varied list of decks being played @ tournaments

[@TheWizardMus]

I think that the archetype mechanic is the main reason I like Yu-Gi-Oh and therefore pile decks or ones like Dragon Link or Dinos are so boring to me. If I wanted to play a combo deck that's just 'dragon good stuff's id play Magic. Dinomorphia might be one of my favorite recent decks because it's actually different than just "makes Ultimate Conductor Tyranno easier" and every new dragon Konami makes I loathe because they just end up being new tools for Dragon Link.

[@Y0G0FU]

Hottake: Late GX and Early Synchro was the golden Era of Yugioh :o

[@Yous0147]

Hot take: This game is carried hard by the love of its players and the community including content creators. With how bad the monetization is and compromises on gameplay balance and card design to push chase cards and through banning and a less than ideal reprint policy (although better than MTG), among other things, it's really not being kept alive through the goodwill of its devs and publisher.

[@Bladewarriorcat]

I have used the synchro locust before. Least til the tear came out then I began using it much less

[@johnmolina6495]

Hot take: ocg and tcg should merge and play the same ban list

[@thorscape3879]

Not really possible until Konami starts having sets release worldwide simultaneously. Even then they'd likely default to OCG ban list which has Maxx C at 3 and Called by the Grave at 2 but Nadir Servant at 1 and Ligtning Storm at 2 despite them being hard once per turns and not quick play.

[@Kirabetas]

Hot Take (maybe warm take, but whatever): Erratas are bad and make the game harder for new people to come in. Yu-Gi-Oh! has a history of making dumb broken cards that should be put on the Forbidden List and never taken off. By allowing erratas, this means there are now 2 different versions of the same card with a completely different description, making it harder whenever said cards are dropped to be sure about it's effect. If you make a dumb effect because you're not thinking of how this will affect the game quite literally the moment after it drops, then own up to it and acknowledge that you fucked up. Don't make 7 versions of the exact same card because you can't keep stepping on rakes.

[@BirdmanTCG]

I think the Extradeck should be smaller making so that cards like super poly or Instant fusion actively hinders the player also making sure we don't get Pile.decks to be a thing like when we had Dogmatika Invoked Shaddol it would single handedly reduce the versatility on most decks and make so that each deck has actual Weakness that can be supplemented through the side deck but not mid game at any moment

[@four-en-tee]

You will not believe how many times my friend that I play casual with tells me that Pot of Greed should come back to 1.

[@LadyTsunade777]

My hot take: No extra deck monsters should ever be generic. _ALL_ extra deck monsters, no exceptions, should one or more of the following: require at least one specifically in archetype and/or extremely specific materials, only be summoned by a specifically in archetype card or effect, lock you into only specifically in archetype cards/effects/summons that turn, have the effect(s) only work on specifically in archetype cards. Imagine if Halq could only be made with at least 1 Crystron mat, and/or could only summon a Crystron from deck; if Verte could only be made with at least 1 Predaplant, and/or locked you into only Predaplant fusions that turn; if Auroradon could only be made with specifically 2+ MPB materials; if Accesscode required at least 1 Codetalker material, and/or could only get the attack boost by targeting a Codetalker in grave, and/or could only banish Codetalkers to pop; if VFD required at least 1 True King material, and/or could only activate its floodgate effect by detaching specifically a True King material; etc.

[@ryancouris5755]

4:21 The problem with this take is that regardless of Knightmares existing, Gozen would still be unfair and Gravity Bind would still be shit. Outside of the drawing effect that they slapped on Knightmares for some ungodly reason, you still go -1 to summon them and use their effect. The problem more lies in Link climbing being a fucking mistake.

[@unamusedrowlett6303]

Hot take/Idea: Instead of waiting 3 months for 10 YCS' to finish up before making a banlist, Konami should have a mini rotation of cards where 3 cards on the list move up for 1-2 months and then they go back to their original place(January gives us pot of greed. skyblaster and Malicious back, March they become banned/limited again and they give us shock master, maxx c and servent of endymion, etc). Then just reprint these cards in a set as commons and starlights so players can play while collectors collet. They get profit while the playerbase tests out cards for the actual banlist.

[@randomprotag9329]

using a tcg simulator would work for this idea. since cards do not need to be physically reprinted and there can be expiermental banlist games

[@luminous3558]

Ok so why would anyone want shockmaster to be legal? The card is a generic 3 mat xyz that wins the game on the spot.... Also nobody would want maxx c back. How about instead we just ban more cards instead of inviting more problems into already strained formats?

[@unamusedrowlett6303]

@Luminous I just threw shock master and maxx c down as an example it can just as much be samsara lotus and trap dustshoot as well

[@picasso2559]

His poster is falling down behind him