Mcconnell & Savix FORCED To Reroll? A͏s͏mongold Reacts to "Shadowlands Subtlety Rogue Experience"

Asmongold watches Savix latest video, the PvP retribution god has finally jumped ship and rerolled to Subtlety Rogue, the Ret Paladin support council is now in complete disarray. Will Mcconnell finally chance Class for Shadowlands?...
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[@Daniel-hp1cy]

"nobody cares about prot" rextroy would like to know your location

[@ChouhouinNeko]

more like no one cares about ret now

[@kekbish104]

how low iq are you anime fan? the fact he has been able to do all those videos is a proof nobody but him cares about prot. you dummy internet users

[@Daniel-hp1cy]

@@kekbish104 imagine taking a joke seriously and also he isnt the only one who cares but okay

[@PlanetTelex00]

I like prot. It better appeals to my Paladin fantasy that ret. Sword and shield. Righteous defender of the innocent. Impenetrable Holy barrier. I loved questing as prot. Feels good tanking all 15 mobs I need for a quest at once. Of course, you can do that with most classes now because the game is mind-numbingly easy outside of PvP and raiding.

[@MistahTeeLecksAhFly]

teo dor I think you’re the “dumb internet user”

[@hole-sawbear1500]

Ronnie Coleman is a warrior with alchemy as a profession.

[@darknight602]

Hole-Saw Bear k

[@Darteghoster]

It made me laugh not just blow my nose. 🤣

[@freddymeisner]

Hahahaha

[@reinier4429]

Alchemist stone equipped in all 14 slots.

[@BloBlas123]

"YEAH BUDDY ! LIGHT WEIGHT !" *louisiana accent* "yeah, um.. that was two hunnet and twenneh five pounds"

[@Chochowl]

McConell is totally right, that's a balance issue for a long time for blizz because they don't have actual players in their staff that is potent in fun-dosing that's in ret atm.

[@balancebreaker1561]

and Asmongold keeps missing the point talking about being OP etc, their point is about crappy talents and class design not dmg and being op lmao

[@Cablev94]

Lul imagine thinking PVP was ever balanced. Also, McCucklle is 2600 rated with this "shitty" ret paladin. Imagine QQing about your class with that rating. LULolawl

[@pottyputter05]

@@Cablev94 hes also a sad little man, he rages non stop and is why I've stopped watching most stuff now due to his involvement. If he could get a touch less insecure and maybe find a way to be happy in life it wouldnt be so bad.

[@michaelbeleut6480]

Peaked 2885 in 3s with ret this season. The class fucking sucks and I can’t believe blizzard hasn’t fixed this garbage.

[@Cablev94]

@@Raansu so you want to give bad players the ability to get to 2600?

[@PlanetTelex00]

“Warriors do things on their own. They don’t need the help of the light.” Yeah. They don’t need the light. Just 2 people who channel the light to follow them around and heal them, or they die. Paladins are literally enhanced warriors, dude.

[@votedada]

There’s literally a spec that called ‘enhance shaman’......paladins are just pink warriors

[@bigweeweehaver]

Try using charge as a paladin, pussy.

[@Aquaboben]

Weird how the enhanced warrior only deals a third of the damage of the original warrior

[@getshiggy5863]

Rageeee

[@PlanetTelex00]

Dadaism Enhancement Shamans are not enhanced themselves. They enhance their weapons with elemental magic. Paladins channel the light through their bodies.

[@joshualogan84]

This is why I hate all of the 'new' systems. Why was Cata and MoP class design good? The devs had to sit and play the specs and actually tweek things about the classes then bring them all to a state of playability. Now, they say 'here's a rotation' and then devs have to focus on how to balance extra systems instead of the core class. STOP NEW SYSTEMS. Balance the f*cking classes so people aren't so disappointed in their mains and reroll to the op spec/op new system combination that exists this week/season.

[@Cablev94]

First of all, McConnell is 2600 rated with his "shitty" ret paladin. Paladins are fine (Don't listen to McCuck). Second of all, games with 10+ classes and 30+ specs (and you may want to take note of this) will never, EEEEEEEEEEEEVER be balanced. Never. Literally NEVER. PVP wasn't balanced in Vanilla, it wasn't balanced in BC, it wasn't balanced in Wrath, ETC. and it won't be balanced in SL. It's an MMO the devs should never waste time "balancing the game". Its better when the game is unbalanced. Glad is now account bound, so play the meta and shut the fuck up.

[@LightForgedProtector]

you are blind by nostalgia if you thought class balance in cata was good, remember frost mage HARD counter every melee and ESPECIALLY ret paladin? remember tanks being literally bosses in pvp because of vengeance passive? remember rogues being gods because of insane damage and cc? remember fury warriors being one shot machines? please tell me again how cata balance was "good".

[@sachiel1995]

@@LightForgedProtector Ahh the good old days when i 1vs3 people as Blood DK :)

[@joshualogan84]

@@Cablev94 Are you trolling? I can't imagine someone sitting through videos like this, about people wanting class balance, NOT game breaking mechanics but balance and anyone being told to STFU because of it... this is both an MMO and an RPG. Most people play the game because they like a specific type of class and play style. Not the one percent, NOT the pvp meta slaves, MOST PEOPLE play this game because they like the class they have decided to main. Someone asking for that class to not be absolute DOG SH@T is not wrong. Please go play something else, you are toxic to the game, the content creators and the fanbase. Just go.

[@joshualogan84]

@@LightForgedProtector Sorry, I was going to just put Mists and got a little overzealous. I think most expansions have been better than the 'system based' expansions. I understand there are certain specs that REALLY stand out in each expansion but I think the system based expansion is just to distract from how broken classes really are at the moment. I've had some real fun playing many classes only for the class be considered garbage because there are just some classes that overshadow everything with their corruptions. Example: Combo Building WW Monk was a lot of fun to play in BFA but once I got into dungeons and raids, many classes such as DHs and their corruptions just pummeled the meters.

[@MrZodiark]

"warriors dont need help of the light." *looks at most common arena partner for warriors in arena*

[@batratqqq]

lmao

[@WiseWeeabo]

"that's an orc"... oops that won't look good... "that's a human warrior"

[@bigknight09]

Tbh the only reason I go to the gym is to look like an Orc Warrior so it’s a huge compliment to the big guys

[@retardrdcompany]

He backed down because libtards would take it out of context

[@sik3xploit]

@@retardrdcompany lol as if they wouldn't regardless? Opportunists who like to victimize themselves can be malicious sometimes.

[@sik3xploit]

@@miatomi There is another realm called "echo chambers" and there are some irrational antagonists in it who will do and say unreasonable things. So yes, there are people who will complain about these comparisons if they think they can make a profit from it.

[@Wellshem]

@@miatomi ever got called a Tauren? Furry DansGame

[@TheMarcus120]

Ngl, McConnell actually sounds serious for once rather than just sperging out. Pretty sad my dudes :(

[@ryanpellegrini1023]

Asmon - Warriors do things on there own Also Asmon - doesn’t go anywhere with out a full entourage of healers, and people to save him from getting camped

[@xerotoninz]

the easiest way to fix ret, play rogue 4head

[@chrisd8180]

Back in WoD/MoP and anything before that a Ret Paladin had a good chance at defeating a rogue or any class, any long time Ret Player understands and sees all the bad negative things that blizzard keeps doing to this class from anything past WoD/MoP, BFA is mostly to blame and why i quit WoW.

[@darknight602]

Shrek T k

[@PlanetTelex00]

Of course. Good luck getting Blizzard to listen and make the proper fixes in a timely manner.

[@KingOfDepravity]

McConnell’s a sad bitch lol

[@NEkromanT33]

I couldnt care less if enhancement isnt performing well in shadowlands, I've waited long enough for its gameplay to be fun again

[@12345Granada]

brave you to assume that the gameplay is actually fun.

[@Thuruigi]

@@Lerion92 Exactly. If I wanted to cast fucking x shock y shock I would go play elemental. Let me hit stormstrike til no tomorrow for gods sake

[@mikewebster1743]

Amen. I'm glad to have my spec back, no matter what the meters say

[@reuterss306]

@@Lerion92 play other ADHS specs then... like havoc dh

[@MrBlvdman]

performance and gameplay sorta go hand in hand. If it isn't performing eventually its no longer fun since you don't get invited. unless you are satisfied with WQ's and outdoor mobs.

[@Wellshem]

People just dont understand, that Ret player want to have a big supportive toolkit, not just be a freaking panzer. This class identity should be given to DK or arm warrior.

[@Vinegar101]

No truer word has ever been spoken Why did they give the slow walk big damage thing to the guys who are here to support allies with various buff and healing spells when they could have given it to the slow but unstoppable and not so dead but still kinda class SMH

[@Igelme]

they tried that in classic, they tried that in tbc, and lmaoret were born. You can't not have an "utility" class with a dps spec, period, otherwise it is never pve/pvp viable.

[@runek12]

People hyping sub rogue so much, it'll be over nerfed into the ground and a dead spec again

[@Skvffed]

We're finally getting a taste of our former glory from TBC & WoTLK. If we get nerfed into oblivion I'll be devastated.

[@keksune8508]

hahahahahahah hasn't happened yet!

[@Xenomorph1508]

Those eyebrows are totally out of control 🤣

[@jarleskogly8388]

They're trying to leave, just like his hairline.

[@athropos]

Its basically a nervous tick.

[@DummNaiv]

@@athropos no i think asmons wears glasses outside the stream. I had this eyebrow issue too when i wasnt wearing my glasses anymore bcs i tried to push up the glasses

[@iovmerot]

He needs to patent those moves.

[@justseven3487]

That's actually tourette syndrome. so not funny at all.

[@drewj557]

6:45 yeah cus they will just nerf sub into the ground so nobody will play it like they do every expac

[@Sangth123]

Sub has been garbage for 4 expansions. These whining rets are pathetic. Sub deserves to be useful again.

[@amae6682]

@@Sangth123 First of all, there is a pretty big difference between "being useful", which every class should be, and "100 to 0% anyone in a 4s stun every 30s", which shouldn't exist since trinket has a 2min CD. Secondly, because a class has been good (decent would be more realistic in the case of ret) doesn't mean it derserves to be bad. And vice versa, a class doesn't "deserve" to be broken just because it has been bad, it deserves to be balanced and "useful" (as you call it), as every class deserveq to be. This way of thinking completely retarded to say the least. Lastly, people are right to point out flaws in a class design, and you have to be a really sad and disappointing person to call them pathetic. Every class comunity is right to point out problematic stuff because they are the ones who played the class/spec enough to see the flaws, especially since devs don't seem to be playing their game. P.S : I don't even play ret, I'm not defending the spec but way too many people have a short-sighted way of seeing things like you do

[@voriq5879]

@@Sangth123 ey man Sub was pretty damn good in legion tho, well.. maybe underrated cause i loved sub in legion (Edit) i should add, for pvp it was good lol

[@Sangth123]

@@amae6682 My guy, I've been playing Sub Rogue for 13 years. In Draenor alone they removed upwards of 8 abilities, that's abilities, not passives, from Sub Rogue. And our poisons. And then they never bothered to do anything to fix it. We lost our burst, we lost our utility, our DPS was garbage and we had zero sustain, for about *6 years.* Yes, I know I'm coming off a bit strong, but they completely gutted my spec top to bottom. It feels like these Rets are guys who played paintball and are going to a support group for PTSD next to a dude who went to Vietnam.

[@Khaltazar]

Exactly, we don't have to think "Will Blizzard fix this?" rather know that Blizzard will destroy this spec to be at best middle-pack in DPS IF they balance it correctly, otherwise near the bottom.

[@Lexipumpkin783]

all the damage in the world doesnt matter when you cant move, keep in mind in this expansion people have more utility, some more cc and some more mobility except ret, Ret doesn't have any of this

[@harrylong2796]

Snores in deathknight

[@Cornholio94]

Big snore in warrior

[@EminemLovesGrapes]

reroll

[@zenitux7272]

@@EminemLovesGrapes So your solution to a class being ass is that nobody should play it?

[@EminemLovesGrapes]

@@zenitux7272 Blizzard will notice, in about a season. Until then, reroll. Blizzard wants to make every class viable... so if suddenly no-one plays RET anymore they'll get off of their asses and change it.

[@jackhealy3328]

When asmon signed 'NERF RET PALLY' with his eyebrows, that was truly powerful. Brought me to tears.

[@Lunethzero]

10:40 This happens literally every expac to ret.

[@petarkoychev7316]

Fuck this class i hope they delete it from the game

[@ryankings6755]

@@petarkoychev7316 someone has been getting smashed and t bagged by retboi

[@petarkoychev7316]

@@ryankings6755 lol your shity class? Nah its just a stupid boring class from the start, what do you have? 2 abilities or something

[@meeksthessj4]

Rets use to be rolling their faces off with buttons/ support/off healing, which is why people are upset now. Lol “shit class.......” the beauty of wow was the diversity in play style, I think ol boy is right you must’ve had trouble with rets lol

[@petarkoychev7316]

@@meeksthessj4 ye i had trouble one shoting you cause you use bubble in a duel i mean what 🤣🤣🤣

[@Vod_MacDuff]

I don't like McCuck, but the things him and Savix have been complaining about recently, I have been saying since they got rid of Long Arm and Emancipate, and gave us the shitty horse. So since the start of Legion. I hated WoD, but enjoyed paladin during WoD, it was in a good spot.

[@merziboyy6857]

i still dont know why the fricking pali horse doesnt remove slows when its cast... its sad to see them ride at dawn while losing a head to head race with a snail... and maybe give dem a bit more horsepower in general when specked in pvp talents. idk im no pala i play dem good classes.

[@zak8991]

fr

[@JZ1]

Just use blessing of freedom 4Head

[@songbirdsandsandwiches8217]

Maybe blizzard thinks riding off in the sunset in slow motion just looks cool

[@voriq5879]

@@JZ1 then it gets stolen by a mage and your perma slowed again Lol

[@berkdeniz8042]

Voriq you got a talent for it. Even c&s gives it

[@AlessandroSilva-ed8bq]

An easy fix would be: Ret has 2 charges of horse baseline, and talent the reduce the CD to 30 sec and make it clean any slow and snare effect.

[@Biggkenny]

19:25 MoP was a pretty good time for all classes IMO

[@voriq5879]

Yeah every class and spec was viable and fun to play

[@andreaspapapap7737]

Except shadow priests who were garbage dmg wise

[@voriq5879]

@@andreaspapapap7737 they were awesome not crazy strong but atleast playable i miss their shadow orb system

[@Okivaviko]

still hate shadow priest so annoying xD

[@ploopyful]

Mop sucked

[@CBassChan]

I agree with McCool. They’re just repeating BFA by doing this to Rets.

[@chrisd8180]

I do agree with that, BFA is the reason i never came back to WoW. But Ret Paladins are a DPS class, mobility is not what there meant for, its surviving, heals and DPS. Want mobility play a shaman or a class that can turn into a bear or wolf or something lol. Paladin talents are complete garbage tho, i dont use any of them really they all are trash. Rets want old talents back from WoD/MoP and before, everything past WoD/MoP was useless

[@CBassChan]

As Asmon said (paraphrasing), “when you’re hard countered by every caster class, it’s a problem.” In paladins case, I would say almost every ranged class can smack a Ret around easily. Then you get to melee. DH, rogue, Druid, and monk...all extremely mobile and can kite a pally all day long if they need to. That leaves..warrior, enhance sham...maybe UH DK...but I’ve seen them melt pallies. Zero knowledge on sham and warrior. DPS outside of wings is terrible...combine that with no procs and you play like a lvl 10 toon in Elwynn.

[@maximad5997]

@@CBassChan Warriors can Kite Paladins with specific talents and make them either use medallion when they suddenly are disarmed during wings etc. for example, Piercing howl AOE slow, Hamstring(Now baseline) for slows, Fear, Stormbolt, Heroic leap, Disarm(PVP talent) and shattering throw in Shadowlands(PS: has a PVP talent that makes it 1 min CD). it's safe to assume yea they can't win 1v1 directly but going at them outside of Burst including Fury warriors(Which have insane burst talents that might make them viable for 3's with arms and 2s again)

[@SeanWHOOPER]

Asmon was so smiley while mcconnell was talking about how palis are going to be garabe

[@Catterall101]

Ret pala of 13 years here, benching my paladin re-rolling UH DK and a Rogue alt.

[@Thyralon]

A ture retribuition Paladin NEVER abandons his cause! How can you even think about such HERESY!? You are supposed to have faith in the light, no matter die odds! Mccool if you read this, do NOT lose hope! We had shittier times in the past, we will prevail in Shadowlands! You even played Classic as a ret, you can do shadowlands too! Stay strong my dude.

[@abdennourlaib4519]

Both McConnell and savix stuck with their class for a while in the course of the past years but them quitting just shows you the gravity of the situation

[@preds43]

@@abdennourlaib4519 It's not that bad overall. PVP wise, yes, the class is horrible. But, as Preach and others have shown, Ret is actually really good for PVE. And the Necrolords/Venthyr provide perfect abilities for them (I would suggest Venthyr though). Night Fae is fine, though I do think that's more inclined with Holy Paladins. And Kyrian...yeah, be Prot for that lol.

[@abdennourlaib4519]

In pve ret is below average it’s cool down dependant during kill time and their covenants well I hate covenants but that’s just my point of view and I suspect that they will get nerfed like they alread nerfed night fae twice now

[@richards4797]

6:30 I thought he was about to start singing "Thats a technical foul!" lmao

[@15Kilo]

Ronnie “King” Coleman! They should have showed him now. He is so messed up....it’s truly sad!

[@aliceschwengel535]

Ret needs a straight up copy of the DK ability Death's Advance (but light themed)

[@limesometime420]

I heard an uber from your eyebrows to your hairline is like 40$

[@ungegelter31]

If everyone rolls rogue, other classes might get buffed?

[@heroman1322]

MoP and WoD Ret were THE BEST versions of Ret. It’s sad to see there is no hope of recovery.

[@CrimZoned]

The chat literally love to start fires I don't understand why

[@maxmcintyre5068]

So very true

[@pdubz6169]

Ret just isnt a fun class, they havent changed that much since back in the day... They just need to make the class feel more fast pace.

[@jackerez3537]

I mained Arms warrior for the longest time, but eventually after being absolutely exploded by a destro warlock, and being tired of having no self healing, I decided to play a warlock for the first time. I leveled them to 120 two days ago, and it was the best decision I’ve ever made in WoW. Playing warrior was essentially masochism because whenever I did anything I wanted to bash my head in with a TV remote. Warlock, however, is the opposite, because I’m the one causing people to bash their heads in. Shooting chaos bolts at losers who don’t play warlock is the greatest feeling ever and I fully accept that the class is busted af.

[@Khaltazar]

I don't know why Savix would want to main Rogue, he should know very well that Blizzard is going to nerf them and by nerf I don't mean a little to be in line with other classes, they will probably destroy them to be at best middle-pack.

[@shadearca]

Rogues because of their toolkit will always be good in PvP even if their damage is not the best. Although usually at least one of the specs is actually top tier damage wise as well...

[@Kelig]

I mained Ret during MoP and WoD. WoD Ret was amazing. We have decent amount of movement and half our spells were ranged so even if we couldn't get to the target we had something to do to them instead of just RP walking towards the target. I was tempted to go back to Ret for SL but after all the videos I've seen, I'll pass.

[@Okivaviko]

NO we werent fine call me noob or what ever but majority agrees on that

[@Kelig]

@@Okivaviko You didn't like WoD Ret?

[@haven6455]

@@Kelig he'll be back one day

Now rets will feel the dk experience, that's good :)

[@bcristian4014]

The thing is if another class like rogue is nerfed in damage it still has lots of cc, nice defencives on low cd, good mobility so you can still get comps with it like in bfa ppl said that sub rogue had low dmg and it was still insane in PVP :)) and it's damage that was so low was as high as a ret damage that ppl consideret to be verry high which is just weird same with shadow prists that were considered bad but there were still a lot more in top 200 than ret which was like only 1-2 rets in top 200... but if u nerf ret damage and that was the only thing it had wtf it's gonna do then... and yea ofc I get that ppl that are nub ret or don't play it as main want to see ret in a bad position cuz they have enaugh competition from Dh, Mage, Warlock, Rogue, Hunter so when they see a ret in arena they want to say "oh noice... free 15mmr" like in bfa... but think of this... what if it was ur class?

[@greymanjones5559]

Remember how Savix was talking about he would like to have the horse from Diablo 3's crusader class? Tbh, since they dislike the horse to begin with, because it's too obvious, maybe they should ask for another crusader ability. Namely "Falling Sword", where the crusader leaps into the heavens and crushes down at a targeted location. I know, it sounds a lot like heroic leap or maybe that jump ability from tank demon hunters, but honestly.. if they can make that a thing for ret paladins with maybe a little slow applied to targets hit by it and removing slows from the paladin on landing, that could be pretty good. Would be important that it doesn't have a big animation time, or else it would be too slow. And paladins could also use this to effectively retreat from dangerous situations as well.

[@Dysrocshun]

As a frost dk main i feel a kin ship with ret pallies on the mobility issue

[@chrisk1458]

Dks have ranged slows and GRIP, pally has nothing.

[@pharaohthutmosis7803]

@@chrisk1458 Were kinda in the same boat as you holy bois in that in our case our damage/burst is nonexistant, plus that we are currently THE CLASS with the most and punishing PvP only stealth nerfs to our kit i shit you not while our mobility is kinda ok with chain spam, grip and deaths advance, no where near rogue/monk and the usual suspects though.

[@shadowisen]

I can't wait for Sub rogue to be relevant for half a raid tier. Sub rogues are currently lowest DPS in BFA PvE.

[@qoki2244]

They are the highest dps in shadowlands raids. Higher than mage and warlock. They are the #1 dps.

[@shadowisen]

@@qoki2244 They started out pretty good in BFA, too. Then after M Zul, they got nerfed. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens.

[@Jackie89000]

God, I love maining mage. We never have any major changes because the specs all work well. We just get some fun stuff added each expansion and keep topping dps meters.

[@Blothars]

rememeber when they nerfed RET in the start of BFA Twice

[@michaelbeleut6480]

acefatboy92 I remember the PvP nerfs by 30%+. Blizzard fucking sucks.

[@chillshock2144]

Ret Paladins were heading this way since exactly the prepatch of wotlk. There they were made so RIDICULOUSLY op and sooooo easy to play (no more seal-juggling)... bubblewings and superdamage... everyone and their mothers rolled one. The nerfs came and the cycle started. And yeah, I'd love to have that ret back with the insane toolkit and options, even if that means I chug more manapots in raid than a rogue thistletea.

[@vegardkirkenr3728]

If ret gets more mobillity theyll have everything. Bubble, healing, freedom bop, sac, freedom, silence aura thingy. Having little mobillity is the only thing that makes ret not the most op spec

[@abdennourlaib4519]

No they don’t their dmg is dependent on wings if you can avoid wings with cc and kite and défensives you can play the rest ignore the game comfortably their healing and sov is affected by dampening and if you have a class that can nerf the healing that’s even better their their only actual def is bubble and that’s a 5 mins cool down so you force that and it’s over you have a whole 5 mins to kill a squishy defenseless opponent their cc is weak they have only’ one cc which is hammer of justice and that’s it the way I see it you have millions of ways to counter play a ret in arena

[@MattAttack11]

love how Asmon completely contradicts himself in the same video. when watching the rogue video he says how so many op classes and abilities always make it out of the beta/ptr without being nerfed. but when watching the pally video he says any op class in the beta is always nerfed before it goes live. lol

[@person59523]

Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that lol

[@chadhardt6136]

yup... balancing is one of those topics where asmon always fails by a lot.

[@thedarkness125]

The above is what it looks like when you lack basic comprehension or even minimal common sense folks. Dont be like Matt, stay in school.

[@MattAttack11]

@@thedarkness125 simp harder my friend. xD

[@NinuAndrei]

"TO THE GROUND BABY"

[@kreator832]

Ghostcrawler near the end of BC right? good times, Arcane and Retribution were so OP that time.

[@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL]

Bro, Ronnie Coleman needed help slippin' his arms out that damn tank top. That's pure ret mobility right there.

[@masterroshi3300]

Somehow the amount of fun playing a class diminish instead of increase

[@NeflewitzInc]

That's what happens when blizzard is more focused on creating systems instead of content.

[@erifkrad1419]

It's going to be TBC all over again, the forums will be flamed with people complaining about Rogue being overpowered.

[@CHEESYHEAD684]

Mcconnell always, without fail, talks behind Asmond's back everytime he goes to take a piss. I wouldn't be surprised if Asmon has Twitch on his phone and listens to it all

[@ZeroiusProduction]

The problem with that montage is, imagine how many times the guy have lost compared to wins, like, i feel for savix and even mcconnell, it's sad to see their favorite class getting gutted like that..

[@HKRazieL]

seeing the damage is, imagine how much they have won compared to lost with 1shotting people...

[@Righty707]

As a rogue main this is pretty much the usual for sub every xpac. They're phenomenal in beta and upon release are nerfed to dog shit and it doesn't even get used throughout the expansion lol. Chill.

[@chadhardt6136]

¨warriors do things on their own ¨ literally the only class that is useless without people giving him support so they can become a weapon of mass autism. i love warriors but come on, either everyone can win by sustain or just kiting... its the sad reality we live on.

[@IRedpunk]

It's very hard to main a new class when you have played one for more than a DECADE. In my case, I have played Rogue ever since TBC S1. I had really great fun with it but with each expension, the class tools and skills were getting gutted little by little until I just could barely recognize that fun character I had with me for ages. So I switched to DH during Legion pre-patch, it was and still is sadly quite bare bones compared to TBC/WoTLK Rogue, but it was really fresh to me and I didn't lose all my collected T-mogs (still miss Bloodfang though...). Damage tuning aside, Blizzard really need to wake up and start making classes FUN and DEPTH. Spamming the same keys with barely any decision making is really sad. With my old Rogue sure it wasn't perfect, but with 5 combos I could choose : raw damage, dot damage, reduce armor, increase attack speed, stun.... Now it's essentially for many classes 1 or 2 builders MAX then 1 main spender and eventually if lucky a second one, not more. Really lame work on some classes, I'm glad others didn't get this shitty treatment. We ALL want to have fun when playing our classes and it goes beyond just damage tuning.

[@NoSkillsNoFun]

rogue only lost the combo point armor pierec, which 2/3 specs don't need because of mixed damage ? Rogue is absolutely the last class that can complain about getting gutted.

[@IRedpunk]

@@NoSkillsNoFun I talked about rogue because it's the class I played. To cite some examples : Combat (oh sorry now Outlaw) spec : Rupture was removed, haven't check if it's back. Made into RNG spec. Can't use shadowstep anymore. Sub : slice'n'dice removed if memory serves me right, same for rupture, had a shitty replacement instead. Probably other crap I forgot since I stopped playing the class for years now. Just a few examples, I haven't bothered to check SL changes for them, but from what I heard, they got better. Still I probably won't switch again. Once is already annoying enough and I always focus on 1 character.

[@jigglydududu6593]

Guess ima reroll to broken warlock or Maby rogue myself

[@taco4ever69]

The big overall problem is that blizzard doesn't have classes or specs, they have empty husks that get propped up by talents. what they should really do is a complete overhaul so they can design classes properly with an idea of what they want this class to be and then give them extra new skills based on the specs they chose and make talents game-play choices rather than making the specs rely on them for identity.

[@Vikingskog]

Gotta agree with Mcconnell here. Ret is simply not fun, tried maining it in second half of BFA but its just not enjoyable. Yea dealing insane damage for a few seconds during wings is fun, but outside of it, which is like 90% of the time, the class does very low damage, and they have shit self-heal and low mobility. Thats the problem and its easy to fix, just nerf the wings damage and buff the damage outside of wings, buff the shitty self-heal and add some form of mobility. Thats it. I play warrior, dk, paladin and rogue, and out of all of them its ret paladin that definitely feel the weakest overall. Clicking wings and destroying people in seconds is fun for a few seconds but once its off you are back to hitting like a wet noodle in a wheelchair while trying to keep urself alive with shitty self-heals, the wings damage is not worth that.

[@Vikingskog]

@Reppü In BFA compared to DK yes, its shitty. Considering its a fucking paladin the self-heals should be better. Slightly improved in Shadowlands perhaps but not enough.

[@Vikingskog]

@Reppü So it was fixed in shadowlands? thats good then, at least 1 less problem.

[@TheEzaster]

That's literally what happened to MM hunter - we had so much power in early BfA that we got nerfed to the ground and never came back after that, because too many talents worked good together in pvp that they nerfed all of them...

[@Scribby87]

weird that they'd called their Retribution Paladin support group "Uther's Round Table" considering that Uther is a Holy Paladin. The entire "class spec identity" of Holy in Legion was built around Uther, AND he's a healer in HoS (i know it doesn't count but idgaf). Should call their group "Tirion's Round Table" he was the Ashbringer after all.

[@WhatIfTheories]

Prot Pal is the master spec in PvP! Just drop Ret and pick up a shield to continue your fight with the light

[@sbsftw4232]

He's already made his thoughts on tanks in pvp very clear.

[@miorabbit2552]

Numbers can be adjusted. As a rogue main for over 10 years I can say that they normally shine more towards the end of the expansion interms of pvp, and if they seem to hit hard on release it’s obviously gonna get fixed and adjusted which is fine. Just hope for a more fluent and more fun gameplay compared to BfA

[@Ryan-iz5bt]

If he wants more mobility play a mobility based class. They have different classes for a reason. He chose a high damage low mobility class i dont know what he expects. So stupid.

[@PathoftheGuillotine]

Frost DK has had these mobility problems for as long as I can remember, but their burst windows made up for it to some degree.

[@SlumpdWiz]

Yeah use a 5 min cool down to just move. Good call asmon

[@Okivaviko]

yeah and that 5min cd ended about 5-15sec? then back to crawling again? ret needs more mobility thats all

[@Plazma896]

sounds like mcconnell needs to find a new spec, like most players are because of how much they're shaking shit up. they're understaffed and clearly their goals don't align with player desires. so work with what you got, which is the ability to re-roll.

[@eugkra33]

exec sentence will get nerfed to the ground in pvp. It's a literal 1 shot. Not some "i killed someone in 2 seconds" kind of shit. It's actually instant 100% of my own hp in damage.

[@unsc0212able]

Problem is balance pvp if you give warrior survivalability everyone complains says broken. They take it all away and then you get warrior are super squishy even with heals. Ret has slow mobility but heals and burst just cant stay in fight for too long. Problem is balance were everyone has a chance vs everyone and based on skill not just play rogue, mage, and lock god comps.

[@SiopeR]

Ret is now a 3 button class, more simple then DH with 3 holy power generating skills and one spender on single target, what they expect to get when there is zero effort to do well xD

[@NemXX2]

Mcconnel is right. That is all. I am also a 15 year Ret and i'm rolling a DK for SL. My problem isn't even all this that he mentions, it's that they removed all Ret utility. I am not even angry it's like: average damage with no utility? Who wants that?I'm not even angry. It just feels like Blizz revamped things for Holy and Prot and totally forgot Ret exists. So, i am forgetting too until they remember. No need to frustrate myself.

[@brandonpaul110]

Lvladen rekts just fine, savix and mcconnel r trash

[@Jackalope904]

I don't think he's asking for a lot. Not many people ask for damage nerfs to their own class/spec.

[@naejimba]

Rets have hated Divine Steed since it was first introduced. Rets liked things that were previously in the game like long arm of the law, and the ability of cleanse to remove movement impairing effects. Why do they insist on spells the community hates? If you change something and everyone hates it, and no one had a problem with how it previously worked why not just admit it was a bad idea?

[@s0vietb3atle]

Isnt sub always the best first patch before it falls off drastically due to static damage not scaling? Ret is heavily reliant on gear

[@Feralscar]

I play guardian druid as a main. Not one positive thing has changed for them in three expansions. It's ridiculous. Even with mountains of feedback in the beta forum regarding bear tanks, blizz remains silent

[@trusivraj7777]

Archeage had these very issues with dmg. Everything killed you in 1-2 shots with no setup, ruining pvp. That 25k hit had a few perks going for it, but even 50-60% INSTANT hp loss with no setup is silly.

[@razatiger22]

The problem is that Blizzard doesn't hire people who actually grew up playing the game. They just take whoever is best "qualified" on paper.

[@tbtorres]

Thanks blizzard, for forcing me to reroll to mage, ret paladin is a meme in shadowlands. Lvlader killing a bunch of bad randons in beta arenas and ppl thinking that paladin is fine LMAO not to mention he only put games that he win

[@TheFallingFlamingo]

People don't realize that an optimized ret is better for everyone. Nobody wants to run around easily deleting people; it's not engaging and it's not rewarding. Getting glad with a cheese class is bullshit anyway. *cough* Warlock and mage *cough cough* If they just fixed the problems with class (mobility, survivability, caster counters, etc), instead of making us golden gods every couple expansions, everyone would have a better time.

[@oreledoria2537]

Warriors are like the Minnesota Vikings. For the most part, they are really good, sometimes elite level, but never get past that last big hurdle. No matter how hard they try, they never even sniff the top of the competitive ladder (The superbowl, in minnesota's case)

[@MrTea-zl5ol]

Blizz: makes ret dogshit Savix: pulls out rogue Community: look at what you have done blizz, you created a monster.

[@eugkra33]

Wings only gives you 20% more damage, and 20% crit. So if you crit without wings your 25k crit is still 20k. Why does Asmond say "half that"

[@kermitdfrog1511]

In the glory days of ret, it was a spec that if they locked you down, you were dead. The huge burst is why they have low mobility. It has to be that way. Give them more mobility and there's no reason to play anything else

[@kermitdfrog1511]

Lævateinn why don't we just give every class escapes, freedoms, purges, interupts, stuns, mobility, damage, and range while we're at it. The things McCuck is complaining about are literally the defining characteristics of his class, and always have been. Homogenizing the classes takes all the flavor away and it's a dull game nobody wants to play anymore.

[@LumberDawn]

I love the idea that "it'll be fixed on launch." Talk to Windwalkers. Or enhance.

[@-Jambalaya]

For that DMG that you can see in the video you have only 8 sec window during bubble and you have to time it like a God,if you miss that chance you are dead or wait 2 min for wings ......

[@blackwell573]

Man if theres one thing I love, its seeing my class be broken

[@ogJbizz]

Tbf savix loves to solo que. I feel like ret is pretty comp dependent whereas rogues are just....good for most comps

[@cav0960]

I will not play tournaments, so I will never reroll my pal

[@dennisb1224]

I saw paladins use bubble just to use the time walker vendor in timeless isle. Give them 2 bubbles and 2 lay on hands. Lol. Every time asmon says “no” I was thinking “yes dude”

[@Klyptic]

I miss seal twisting and Long arm of the law, fuck I hate divine steed so fucking much. I miss Ret being a pseudo mid range class with exorcism and judgement being a lower CD. Back in the day you could kite a warrior and kill him from out of melee range. So much more skill involved with seal twisting and survivability in pvp

[@rizn9884]

"its not even final" lmaooooooo

[@SuperRabbitHead]

they said they will fix the damage of wing. and they increase 20%crit in it.Are you kidding me

[@Durbit428]

Ghostcrawler said about ret: INTO THE GROUND and theyve never returned.

[@austinkossow7848]

Maybe if McConnell wants less damage and more mobility he should play a different class..? It was my impression that paladins aren’t the most mobile character. They wear heavy plated armor. So what they want.

[@saulosilva1236]

In the past I remember McConnel and Asmon criticizing blizzard for making every class the same. They all have a heal, mobility, interrupt, etc... Now that blizzard said: "Ok Pally, you dont get to run wearing FULL PLATE okay?" they are like "waaaaaaait I cant get there :("

[@fullmetalathlete]

I also think people see a bunch of short cuts like this in a highlight reel and think that's what the class performs like all the time. Just like a highlight reel for an athlete, it's designed to make it look dominant and show off their best moments. But it speaks nothing to the reality of execution in actual game play, the consistency of that performance, or the likelihood of being able to do that at all against superior competition. As Savvix said in the previous video, high level players can see it coming a mile away and just cc you, and in those cases the potential to do massive damage is completely nullified. Maybe against a boss or npc that's just standing there taking it sure, but against another human with a brain and practice in the game of arena and pvp, it's just not a reality, and these types of highlight reels skew that reality.

[@kevinmiller5051]

Subtlety is going to get nerfed into the ground the first few weeks and be useless until next expansion, just like in BFA. Cringe. I dont want to play assa

[@voriq5879]

Fun Detected lets make assa spec bis for couple more years! -Blizz

[@kevinmiller5051]

@@bsblleon01 I don't like how assassin plays, it has the least utility and I dont like dot spec classes. I'll likely play outlaw when subtlety gets nerfed. Referring to pvp only btw because that's my endgame.

[@tcollogan]

no hybrid class should be good and viable top tier dps... it would make all straight dps classes redundant

[@Ecliptor.]

what's he talking about warrior sucking? when have warriors ever sucked? The only time I can remember them not being that good was at the beginning of wotlk, and I think they got compesated quite fucking well by the end.

[@hito6464]

Blizzard not doing anything to rets and enchs is why just buy 2 months of wow to explore new zones, dungeons and 1 raid and quit till the next expansion. These specs don't bring anything to the game because all other classes have exactly the same abilities, they have their own useful skills and deal way more damage no matter what happens. In TBC and Wotlk I didn't really care which class I should invite, rather the attitude and reliability of a player that counted the most. M+ and arena where any caster can deal damage while fucking moving killed the interest, mana is infinite, healers heal from 1% to 100% in no time, some classes are extremely mobile, others are just moving punching bags. McConnel is right: rets don't need damage that high (which they deal only when they pop all cds and each one of these cds are on global, so it takes about 5 seconds to cast the shit before you can deal some damage), they need mobility and some unique skills for pve.