Savix Reviews Dragonflight Retribution Paladin Talents with Mcconnell

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Savix & Mcconnell Reviews Dragonflight Alpha Talent Tree for Retribution Paladin
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[@Savixirl]

What do you guys rate the Retribution Tree out of 10!

[@Cravior]

For pve id give it a 10 but for pvp i need to see tuning and how it plays in 2s, probably a 7-8 since long arm is so peepee but it's still got spellwarden and decently fun custom builds

[@Elnerab87]

5/10, feels like BFA where they took away things that we've baseline, or most of the expansion, then you only get to choose 4 out of the 7 things you had all at once before. Simple thing to do is just bring back WOD ret. We had everything back then.

[@zomgpeoplestolemname]

5/10 super lazy by just removing all of our baseline utility and locking it in the tree. There are some interesting things in the ret tree, but the general class tree is garbage. Steed of shame still exists, seals don't exist. Another xpac of suffering pepehands. Like I look at some of the other talent trees they've released like druid/shaman/rogue, and I just ask why would I ever play paladin.

[@micahnarraway9208]

6 probably

[@dontbanwarren]

It's very rough for PvE and questionable for PvP imo

[@dusekar1864]

Watching this feels like I'm talking to my friend who plays paladin as well shooting the sht and wishing for all the old talents to magically be brought back at once

[@marques_asecas5894]

Glad to see the Uther's gathering is still, somehow, active...even after the "dreadfull" intervention of Uther during the last expansion.

[@hephep5787]

Savix AND Mccool together? that's amazing

[@Solaxer]

Plini fan spotted wattup

[@hephep5787]

@@Solaxer Ayoo prog enjoyer I see

[@1jahren1]

It really is! Loving it

[@Adam-082]

McCuck*

[@shidoru]

it would be nice changing consecration to consecration aura, that way dmg follows you.

[@Arouxayis]

what would be the point of retribution aura then?

[@smokeandnoob3081]

It used to be a glyph for prot paladin in wod, that thing was so good

[@shidoru]

@@Arouxayis was thinking consecration aura as an aoe for x seconds that follows the player for the duration, but you know, it is just imagination

[@AdamSmith-ml4ji]

You and McConnell NEED to do more content because you both are the coolest Ret players

[@viktorlindqvist5308]

Imagine a passive ability that upon reaching 5 holy power they basically get an emancipation (cleansing a slow) and gives them a 10 or 20% movement speed boost for 2 seconds. You reach the maximum amount of holy power that your holy vessel can hold, and the light burns through you and cleanse you of all that is not the light.

[@mattias9411]

They had something similar in wod. WoD ret talent tree was my favorite. I felt seal dancing gave the class a higher skill cap

[@drdynanite]

if you don't have much time just watch till the end from 2:23:44 trust me, you wont regret it

[@panzerwaifu8172]

I'm literally crying of laughter rn lmao

[@miturtow]

About the "3 yards lol" thing. It feels exceptionally good on a rogue. I'd go as far as to make all melee classes 8 yards baseline. But this paladin talent is bad not because of the distance, it's the stupid ass condition. Just make it passive 3 yards, like the rogue. Ret instantly would feel so much better, I assure you Savix

[@onyourleft5648]

I’m saying all this from the perspective of warrior main. With only a few hundred hours on Ret in arena. If you have played swtor the 8yard ‘effectively’ thing has been done (movement relative to scale is much faster so melee range is quite forgiving) I think it’s better to give each spec the identity. On rogue 3 yards is amazing because you open from stealth have 2 mobility CDs that are superior, vanish resets them, oh and slow uptime is 100% if you are hitting your target some. Additionally outlaw has the ranged pistol shot with a mini slow. It’s the only rogue spec that has the 3 yard if memory serves. For the other rogue specs they have ranged kick/stun due to shadow step+x, and outlaw can do some wild drive by kidney shots that are creamy. Ret without help will still be the least mobile melee with lower uptime than every other class. Simply due to have no great moving Cds that aren’t counterable. If they combine the 3 yards with something like: Judgement gives you 2seconds of hand of freedom and hand of freedom is now 40% movement for Ret with two charges, then I would say Ret, warrior, and dk are compatibly mobile. (Fury has a large lead with the root breaks and banner and spammable slow, and crushing blow charge, but arms would feel similar) I think warrior monk, assa, and sub, and DK should stay without any extra range to melee swings due to having spammable slows, and many gap closing options. Ret, while sitting in this wheel chair simply watches hunters, druids, rogues, and hilariously even warriors escape death because it has no way to connect and 3yard melee would do little on its own, but would be great with some other help. Giving other melee this option will also really hurt and cause bonkers trinkets to be allowed into the game again like early season 3 and nobody wants to see that I think.

[@Ecliptor.]

Every time I see a new expansion, it makes me miss WoD ret more and more... That was peak ret. They could make it so Repentance is instant, that would solve the issue of not having a ranged kick, at least you can interrupt with an instant cc.

[@lou1968]

I just dont understand how they can get this class SO wrong. I’ve played Ret since halfway/end quarter of vanilla and seen it become a literal god..now reduced to a shell of its former self. We used to have THREE judgements all unique and useful in different scenarios Actually FEEL tanky like we were a plate wearing holy knight not some squishy wet noodle that hits like a truck ever 1.5 minutes but is useless outside that window But the thing that pisses me off the most...BRING BACK OLD DIVINE STORM ANIMATION

[@xDOLPHINTV]

@James Hoskin you mean the blood elf one where you look like you get slapped in the face?

[@Lunethzero]

In terms of PvE my concern is what would ret bring to the table that other classes don't. So far some classes have got some nutty buffs for the team like rogues providing dmg reduction and cooldown reduction so theres nothing really that stands out for the ret that was flavor to it. Getting long arm back is pretty cool even though its a weaker version but I guess its better than nothing.

[@ShimoKuma]

If you don't have a prot or holy pally you bring devo aura which in itself is worth bringing. Granted this requires Ret to be good from a tuning stand point or prot and holy to be bad.

[@hervisdaubeny2591]

Here's a talent that would have been usefull for all the damn concencration. Make it move with the paladin. Forcing others to avoid the paladin while it's up at the same time increase its dmg but also increase the cd. Edit: the increased cd is to balance out the dmg. If per sat you had a concencration on you up it would do enough damage to warrant staying away from the paladin it would be busted to have it constantly up. As it stands concencration has a cd that allows you too keep it up at all times. It would be complained about being too strong and nerfed instantly on the first patch. As for the trailing behind a paladin, I wouldn't implement that excuse it would add much to the kit. Just makes chasing a paladin hard, you should be chased as a paladin. The idea of this talent would be to turn concencration into a "aura like" aggressive ability. As a implementation of the paladin emitting such a strong holy aura that it hurts just to be near them.

[@Infirmi]

Why not both. Paladin puts it down and when he moves it creates a trail

[@MrKevlarkent]

no increased cd, but make it do a bit of extra initial dmg or something, making it more impactful in pvp

[@Zetherior]

Why is everyone saying "why is this a talent".. Everything is a talent now, only the absolute minimum rotation and theme is baseline now, basically what your character had as a person before they went on to be a champion

[@nemesisnidhoggr1468]

and still with that minimum rotation you still cant deal enough dps to time even +15 xDD Or maybe we should remind rotation of "good old" classic days? frostbolt spam - top dps. That was much better, yeah. 30 buttons, use only 1

[@ramontavaresdacruz2256]

The crossover that I never knew I wanted

[@brandongreene9615]

WoD was my favorite ret paladin. Empowered seals and keeping like 3 buffs up was my favorite thing ever. I got top damage and healing in almost every BG lol. When they completely deleted my character in the next expansion I just couldn’t keep playing the game anymore. I just don’t think there should ever be that drastic of a change in any character.

[@brandongreene9615]

And MoP fire mage? It was so fun why would they ever delete that?

[@Gingermorso]

MoP and WoD classes were fun to play since everyone felt OP. Especially Retri in late MoP felt like a god.

[@ostsweinen5240]

Empowered seals was definitely the peak of paladin gameplay. The spec is unplayable now.

[@JustPeterSteel]

Whoever is working on these at Blizzard needs to sit down for 3 hours to watch this. Very insightful, and you can tell how much knowledge of the class' history these 2 have. They've seen the iterations the class has gone through over the last 18 years, and remember what worked, what was fun, and what didn't.

[@clarkh3314]

the paladin duo the world needs

[@niwicz]

with all these concecration talents i feel like they gave us juicy yellow LEDs under our Wheelchair. Pimp my ret edition. Kekw

[@Cravior]

They should give holy avenger a passive effect where u get 6 holy power max, so u can double templar and so the triple holy power doesnt constantly overcap

[@DivergentDiveBomb]

Or reduce the holy power cost of Templar’s Verdict by 1 when you heal an ally with WoG. The new “Selfless Healer” talent

[@Kristers_K]

Some changes and talents that could be more interesting - 1. Divine steed baseline and talents choosing between lower duration, breaking slows/roots or longer duration and stunning/knocking people if you run into them. I think that kind of choice would be fun. They really need to do what they did for some otehr classes like shamans - talents imprrving your toolkit either existing spells or adding more, instead of these flat % bonuses or talents that don't really make sense and feel like a waste of points. The new talent system is suppose to offer new playstyles and if they will give the consecration playstyle, it needs to be better, starting with damage.

[@IXeelo]

A choice between Shield of Vengeance or Divine Protection would be great. Thank you Savix for a similar idea

[@ognimimerkki]

I think Savix is kind of missing the point with the "this should be in the paladin kit" remarks. Every class has core abilities that they need and identify through in the class tree. The class portion is not designed to offer supreme customizability and fancy extra for every point.

[@hervisdaubeny2591]

I need you to understand, they aren't a choice in something that's suppose to be a choice and customization thing. The core abilities that are there mean that the classes that don't have what has been gutted of their power, unless you (are forced to) take talents to feel half the impact of how you use too play. Either it be core or spec based talents they have removed core mechanics from abilities and abilities themselves and added them as talents. The wings talents are prime examples. As well as 90% of ret's tree, being just old stats for your rotation. We were hoping for variants in Playstation when it cane to your class. Not having to spend talents to just do bare bones rotational damage. This goes out to all classes not just paladin.

[@ThatFoxGirl]

@@hervisdaubeny2591 the idea I think is along the lines of if you’re doing single target stuff, you can remove all your AoE, and have a stronger single target than ever, and vice versa, or you can mix and match and reach an old baseline. This class does it poorly, but Enhancement and Elemental shaman do this the best. Enhancement imo in particular does this the best.

[@toasted_ll]

the holy spear idea sounds like overwatch 2 orisa where it hits for 60 and if it hits against wall it hits for 140 i think and stucks for like 1 second its so fun and i wanna see that for ret 100%

[@Dontgankmeplx]

I love how this discussion goes all through valid points like "wtf is this mandatory 3 points everywhere" or "wtf is this 2% haste" to "I think wings should turn us into Tyraael and let us throw a spear impaling 3 people against a wall!" hehe

[@trevoris18]

Love the content, I think both McCool and Savix have important insight from two perspectives. One thing I will say is that the talent tree is now the whole leveling experience. A lot of "baseline" spells on the tree make a lot more sense from the perspective of a new leveling player.

[@kerokupo]

great discussion. u guys got good chemistry

[@TJl919]

Why don't they add Tyrael's sword ability from HoTS? It's such a good Paladin ability.

[@covahredro8370]

Nah give paladins Falling Sword ability from D3 Crusaders

[@shaunybonny688]

You and McConnell were entertaining going through the talents. I enjoyed it thanks.

[@Zwow007]

Hear me out here but if Execution sentence while on a target leaves a trail of consecration and if you run on it you gain increased movement speed now that's an actual execution sentence right there and also add like a consecration trail to tempest of the light bringer and with all the consecration spawning abilities they already have, just make a node that's like while on consecrated ground move x amount faster

[@info8984]

I miss the old version that would heal the target over time as well, it gave us a nice heal over time then a burst of healing.

[@faithgiant_Ps91]

Asmon gonna be jelly that McConnell loves you more than him Savix 🤣👊🏼 Good to see you and McConnell discussing the tree together. Good content 💯

[@Ceraph30]

I think the issue with the talent trees is that they made it to where you do not get any baseline skills after level 10 and everything you get beyond that point is strictly from the talent tree instead of how it used to be where you would learn class skills and still have the talent trees. I think that if all of the stuff we got from the talent trees was new powers and utility then the game would get very bloated or too “powerful”. While it may feel bad to talent into some of these thing because you already have them right now in the future as they expand the tree it will be really cool system imo. Obviously some of the placement and pathing and tuning needs to be fixed but I am excited about the talents

[@ThatFoxGirl]

I think it’s a good system too for avoiding bloat, and hearing them complain about ‘baseline’ stuff being talents was kinda bleh. They had some great comments on other stuff, but every time they said that I just groaned, because the entire idea is (in theory) to have about 3-8 extra points at the end after getting all of your flat damage talents, to pick whatever is best for what you’re doing. Like the cleanse toxin thing, if you’re not fighting a class that it’s helpful for, it lets you remove that point and put it elsewhere. It’s supposed to allow for removing old baseline stuff for stuff you didn’t have before if it’s better for the situation.

[@TheOfficialKnutrex]

an idea for the Consecration talent. What if Golden Path made Consecration stick to your character like an aoe circle around you, keep the healing part and make it heal for more

[@kumasatsuma]

I'm in love with this just from the Thumbnail!

[@Ar1AnX1x]

you're on point on everyone having Slows in old school WoW classes who had slow had it because they were either glass canons that if enemy reached them they'd get deleted or someone like Shaman with a lack of mobility that needed to slow down opponents so they don't get kited, and even then the range for it was low and they'd spend a lot of Mana for that slow.

[@naajilyons2872]

What if they changed they way bubble worked as a pvp talent for ret. Im no game designer, but if you maybe gave bubble a 1 second duration of immunity, and took away the debuff it gives and reduce the cooldown to something appropriate, maybe 30-45 seconds. Rework it so a paladin, with enough attention and skill, can deny cc coming at them.

[@volodx]

I like this idea

[@elemenic5180]

Madparagon affects Judgement both in dmaage in wings uptime as well. uptime should almost be the same retail if not more since you press them on cd anyways. and synergies with divine toll assuming you get an extra 2.5 second of wings because of that change

[@theperfectbeing]

As a priest main (pally/shaman main alts) I can tell you they did the exact same thing to those classes as well. Basic spells are now in the utility trees for all the hybrid style classes, shamans for instance have to spec into double buff purge on top of not getting purge baseline so you need to spend 2 points and most of the priest hymns and half the prayers are talents now too. So you actually lose more class identity in place of distinct role specialization. Whether this is a good thing or not we won't know until we can raid test it to determine what is niche vs overall utility. I'm honestly a bit confused with the amount of talents geared towards consecration. It would make more sense if it was flat holy dmg but to stick so many modifiers on a single situation stationary spell is just weird.

[@Nilllan]

4:18 It killed me when the Legion class hall music started playing Sadge

[@TheShalestorm]

I'd honestly really like the concept of a Conc pally where conc works more like singed from league and wherever you walk you make a path of consecrated grounds.

[@polopopoo]

What about a pvp talent that makes consecration move with the pally, those builds might be alot better

[@Zezixes1]

Love you sav, glad you're back xoxo

[@Rathamanzar]

Highly suggest, if you haven't yet, that you make a forum post in the Alpha Forums, they're actually reading them this time.

[@davidgold972]

id like it if there was more motivation to change auras in combat.

[@ostsweinen5240]

RIP Empowered Seals

[@JBPVFL]

I know they mentioned about not liking dots, but I think a great talent to have good synergy with all the new consecrate talents would be to have those hit with consecrate to keep the debuffs from it after they leave it as if they were still in it. Could be a pvp talent or something

[@STEELZYX]

THAT SOUND WHEN IT PROCS, what was it called? It made a scary and beautiful sound it's frikkin AWESOME. And make a glow effect on hands it's, nostalgic.

[@MD-ee2fq]

Sees the length of the video. Oh this is gonna be good

[@maltesre9032]

You guys are upset that you have to tak 1 or 2 dead talents which only give you small stat buffs? You should look at the other trees. They mostly have to take way more of these dead talents. Pala only having 3 1/1 or 2/2 is actually the best looking so far

[@rogersmith9092]

This was Gold! Only part I didn't appreciate is at the end when chat was being rude to McConnell, it was uncalled for and should have been left off the youtube vod.

[@gpturismo]

Glad to see this. I do hunter/pld and hunter trees got good massaging through out the first few weeks and what you said needs to be shifted makes a lot of sense for Ret. I hope they're listening.

[@MercTichondrius]

judgement is a 45sec or 30 second CD now BUT silences the target for 3-4 sec an the passive effect was crusader striker now grants 2 Holy power ? or divine storm now throws out judgments up to 3-5 targets?, giving a each judgment a 20% chance to grant an extra holy power or with Mc cools idea when stacking concentration infuses you with the light give you and avgering wrath that grows stronger with the more concentrations you stack kinda like super saiyan 1 super saiyan 2 super saiyan 3 but with concentration stacks?

[@info8984]

Really hope they get a proper review and a numbers tweak before this goes any further.

[@whyyousosad1301]

Remember back in like cata when we had a glyph I think that made it when we cast judgement, we gained movement speed? Something like that would be handy

[@Java_CM]

You should make a 5 minute condensed video of things to change for the ret tree and share it on the forums. As much as I enjoyed this long video Blizzard probably wont even click on it xD

[@bormz7191]

My biggest gripe with talents (for any class/spec) is when they make a talent intentionally weak, and then on the next tier have another talent that simply buffs the previous one to a decent level. That's not how talents should work! Just put points in the first one to make it better and let people decide how many they want to put in. Instead they are trying to get 2-3 talents out of a single one because they can't think of anything interesting, or maybe it's just sheer laziness.

[@LordHazanko666]

A easy fix to consecration would be making follow around you. Also the whole making u have more consecration then 1 would help to. Like the main one u cast follows u and the other are dropped on the floor. But i do think they could also do more with the horse. Make it knock back people when running them over.

[@aoex]

Conscecration following you around was a thing in wod. Same as basically any other fun thing paladins had. But Blizz wants to act like wod never existed I guess

[@tonthax]

Really love the idea of divine storm projectile dropping consecrated ground. You could take that with the slow and it actually sounds okay in pvp

[@brandonboss6868]

I was thinking about them having a Rightous leap: You use your wings to fly into the air and smash down on the enmy dealing insane damage and leaving a consecration for 900% damage for 4 seconds. ON a 1 min cd.

[@noduj]

The Oneshot is not only a direction for Ret, its the direction of every class.

[@Varaben]

Love you man thanks for the thoughts!

[@mattrose9646]

100% should attach the slow to an ability (judge or blade) that also drops a consecrate at target location so they can’t walk out as fast.

[@drunksailor3908]

I feel like consecration can be fixed by adding a passive that makes it move with the paladin. Like earthquake on the earth ele Lego.

[@TheAndreceva]

100% agree with your philosophy on how Rets should play. Where they should do a little less damage, be a bit more tanky and be kind of an unstoppable force. And by that I mean harder to CC or with more options to cleanse CC. As you word it "play more like a normal class". That's my dream pally right there.

[@Swordart2022]

Loved this talk show/podcast with Mccool looking forward to next after updates.

[@dominic9407]

consecration following ur character would be pretty sick along with an aoe slow to nearby enemies

[@corbincoldrife2441]

Seeing what's going on with the other classes... I'm super worried about Monk now.

[@jaimefaria6036]

Imho, the consecration build is a great idea and something most people have been asking about. It just doesn't fit PVP, but then again, not all talents have to be viable for every style of gameplay! Fortunately they have brought back stuff like Exorcism and Long Arm of the Law (which need tuning), but it shows they are really trying to implement a gameplay retris want and what we are asking about. Is consecration's build perfect? I suppose it needs some tuning. Perhaps it is huge for leveling and Mythic+, and exactly what retri needs to finally be really viable in 15+ and beyond! Personally, I am really looking forward to it!

[@vathrris9198]

i feel like if they gave paladins shockwave from prot warriors but make it have higher damage and no stun but have it be like the big finisher like ashen verdict but you could get a pvp talent that gives it a short maybe .5s stun but its aoe stun

[@one_eyeddd473]

Lnao "theyre legs r so buff" "take it easy man Jesus christ." Had me cracking up

[@TheLuthers]

Savix the social Butterfly

[@XretX]

@savix retribution aura is changed now it gives you seraphim if anyone drops below 50% hp you didn't check it out

[@sy-ky_buddy4603]

I agree so much about the fact they're adding talents like "+ 2% haste" like are they that void of any creativeness they can't create some new and fun talents?

[@nagote]

Shield of Vengeance should give a 20%dmg redux for 6s if it breaks. That way if it expires it means they didnt hurt your health at all, and if they burst you and break it it will prevent you from dying afterwards. What do you think savix

[@arizuna9469]

they should give talent so that the consencration moves with you, then the concencration build would make sense

[@rsmith8113]

Consecration would be cool if you burn the ground in your way and you live a trail, now that would be cool if they want consecration so much and you move faster on consecrated ground or CC, snare would last shorter.

[@kzpylj7729]

a duo i never thought i'd live to see

[@SaltyHoldy]

They did pally things together a while ago, Esfand too

[@ParthPatel-bh4ki]

the prot pally build i made with the new tree are blaaaaahhhh - i really hope they arent serious about taking holy power gen from avengers shield, omg

[@manfredzwick5278]

I honestly think no ability should be in the talent tree, except the signature finishers/big spells for the specs. Make all abilities accessible to their class and then replace those with actual talents that change gameplay. Dual talents are a really good inclusion though and i hope they work way more with that idea.

[@megamanx627]

As a paladin Maine that stopped playing is a plane BFA When essences came out this video makes me cry my soul is sad Have they made any changes to the talent tree for paladins yet cause wow this video hurts to wash. So we need an update video to this now since the trees have been changed big shocker they've done nothing about the horse and long arm of the law is Gone.

[@berribubble]

Justicar’s vengeance has been the bane of rets for 5 years because it is dead. It isn’t tuned properly, ever, but maybe it can be repurposed as another way for us to not immediately die to casters - give it a 20 yard range or something, and remove the stun amp component. Let us use it to apply ranged pressure and heal ourselves while we gap close?

[@eugkra33]

Crusader Strike should have 3 charges, and if you have all 3, it should be a 10 yard charge. If you only have 1 left, it should be a 20% mortal strike.

[@TheCboogie509]

Concentrate needs to slow. Like a dead stop and then slowly allow them to move faster, so they can still get out... but not just instantly.

[@gmoney9469]

When you were expecting borderlands 3 talent trees but you get the old talents in tree form.

[@pogiskerdezz]

After having personally played the alpha, I give Ret a big fat 0 out of 10. It's honestly impressive how Ret managed to lose more and more of not only it's identity, but gameplay. I gave a massive wall of text as feedback on the EU alpha forums, but I doubt they'll listen to any Ret players. 4 months till release, no shot they fix Ret up when they have so much to do.

[@Name.is2]

I think those 2% stat increase is a nice concept, if they make it so you don’t have to take all the amount to move to the next tier and just make it a 2/4/6/8/10% type of talent then it would be worth it. For swift crusader, I’ll say a leap and not a charge; leap should had been a pally thing while warriors charge and dk grip. For the kick, why don’t they just give us a range kick?

[@derrickhead]

and never forget we use to have blessing of protection and blessing of spellwarding under a diffrent name we need both back and they dint share the same cooldown

[@dspursuer]

and again, AGAIN!!! people complained about borrowed power, feeling weaker when the next expansion comes and they LITERALLY STRIP YOU off what you had and make you spec into that in a talent tree. Genius design

[@IXeelo]

A choice between Divine Protection and Eye for an Eye also seems to be a good solution

[@brycegrabowski400]

WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THE CRIT CHANGES THATS LIKE 90% OF THE PROPLEM IN PVP AT THE MOMENT

[@frankferdi1927]

They should make Consecreate a "talent set" that gives you special bonuses if you get more of it. And golden path should change the application of the skill, like making it a real path not a stupid little pool, but let valkyrs come down from valhalla and consecrate the "path" making it "golden" 20-30 meters in front of you. Maybe even deciding if it does dmg or heals, but then it will have a stronger effect and it will be %, not flat dmg ( for the talent set only though ). And to top it off, give it a last bonus for proccing on your hits and heals for a few secs. That would be interesting. Like: When you heal someone, a rain of consecration pops upon their heads, making group heals possible. Silly idea kinda but I like the principle^^ But aside from that, the idea of talent sets would be interesting. It increases the speciality of your spec.

[@SlumpdWiz]

Pallies need the long arm of the law back! Need abilities to match warriors charge. Pallies are either dps/and great off-healers or straight reliable DPS! We need abilities to suit those roles or were dead in the water. This is from arena prospective

[@dspursuer]

wait but what do you have in your spellbook now if literally everything is a talent? like, a crusader strike and a judgment or?

[@tebbix]

That thumbnail is gold

[@talisredstar1543]

i AGREE with both on alot, but I think the dot from Blade should stay, for exact opposite of what they were saying. We don't' have dot damage out side ot consecration. So it lends at least something besides consecration to our steady damage out put. I mean we are already kings and queens of burst damage, but that is just it. You blow your load and then womp womp womp waaaa. it sucks in Raid, because that is all there is. I would love to a blade consecration build where maybe we don't burst as hard, but our consistent damage is very high. So like like on long single target fights we have a choice do we 1 adn 2 minute burst or 3 as they want to do right now, or do we have a high uptime of consistent damage? Least having the choice, even if it is not as optimal would be nice.

[@brandongreene9615]

They should bring back the speed boost you used to get when you used judgement

[@JJ-no8fk]

whats best tank currently? / looking good for dragonflight? was thinking prot pal or maybe demon hunter tank

[@malathuni]

consecration could be usefull for holly or tank tho... isnt the paladin tree tha same for every spec?

[@ObscenumLoL]

I'm kinda curious... Is that a band tshirt? Trying to figure out whats written on it...

[@HaywireGW2]

Just change conc into a talent, that allows it to eminate from within the pally.. around him, for like 10 yards. Then allow it NOT to break cc or something.. for pvp.

[@batwingpie]

The devs really need to make some super fun talents. If they would stop trying to restrict everything and did some fun crazy stuff people would love it. Of course you wouldn't do it for things that can't be balanced (like a twilight devastation) but giga fun utilities would be great.