I've seen many channels just say that the stock rods are no good for a tuned engine, but never why. Just hinting that they're weak, and bend with the increase in power - thank you for actually explaining why. Love the format, clear explanations with spot on camera work and audio.
@WestfieldFreshAir2 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. Not too long, plenty of detail where it mattered. You clearly know what you're talking about as well. Thank you.
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support - Part 2 will be coming out soon 😎
@tektkite72552 ай бұрын
@@MotorsportPerformance so how much will the repair cost vs the new McLaren engine?
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
@ check the link in the description where you’ll find our engine rebuild prices and packages 😎
@tektkite72552 ай бұрын
@@MotorsportPerformance i dont want to have an engine rebuilt, I want to know if the owner saves anything on THIS motor vs having taken it to mclaren
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
@ McLaren were quoting around £40k plus install Our services were £25k plus
@WillChestnutt2 ай бұрын
Wow that’s the best tear down and I explanation I’ve seen in a long time! Very informative, and well edited great work! Appreciate your expertise
@brarautorepairsАй бұрын
I really enjoyed your explanation on why the connecting rods bend. Most people just say "there is too much boost pressure" and the rods can't handle it..
@rickardobrooks50322 ай бұрын
Good video, but the purpose of piston cooling jets are specifically for one reason, that is to cool the bottom of the piston and by extension keep the entire piston assembly cooler to prevent over expansion. If there are dual jets, then one jet may offer a conical spray pattern to send oil to the cylinder walls and the other may be directed at the ‘wrist pin’ or small end bearing. But in general, if the jets stop working, the underside of the piston is normally discolored due to heat and you may see piston to liner/cylinder bore contact. Ensure that the cooling jets are aligned correctly when reassembling the engine (we normally use a tool or a laser alignment procedure.
@dadgarage7966Ай бұрын
I thought those jets were to prevent detonation.
@TROdesigns2 ай бұрын
Awesome explanation about low RPM/high boost without building full oil pressure at those engine speeds.
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
You're welcome and thank you for the support 😎
@johnmcdonnell81Ай бұрын
No beating around the bush, tell it as it really is. First class explaination.
@Beauloqs2 ай бұрын
Perfect blend of entertainment & education. Subbed.
@Flyboy10662 ай бұрын
Fantastic in-depth analysis blog and video 😊🇬🇧
@chistianmeyer27282 ай бұрын
Great video mate , I’m sure John thorn from thorney motorsport has discussed the vulnerability of the rods on those engines with regards to running big power , there are allot of Americans that tune the 720 s to 900 1000 hp which he dosnt recommend , but he’s always happy to do a rebuild if people don’t want to listen lol
@bendunn27272 ай бұрын
pretty sure Thorne has never rebuilt an 720s engine 😂
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the support 😎
@jamespower74792 ай бұрын
WOW such a competent and expert explanation .
@Starkesea2 ай бұрын
Followed just from the video. Not even 15K and this is better than many accounts with millions of followers
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the support!
@carlherbermann2053Ай бұрын
Watched a few bent rod incidents with these engines. The replacement rods were beefed up to prevent bending. Makes perfect sense that it was not a compression (force) failure but a bending moment issue. Still a poor design to rely on oil pressure rather than interference or mutual float to prevent the bending moment. Beefing up con rods is fixing the system not the root cause. Thanks for sharing this.
@mt3377Ай бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this Subscribed
@stevedenny35472 ай бұрын
Outstanding video, superb insight and knowledge, these guys definitely know what there're doing...that"s why I took my Bullitt Mustang to them.
@AngryManSki2 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation.
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@freakbag2 ай бұрын
Love the flow/pace and detail provided in this channel, excellent!!!
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the support! Part 2 coming real soon 😎
@johnbmw550iАй бұрын
Great work and you know what your doing, many do not. respect
@tempest957Ай бұрын
Great diagnostics with simple straightforward explanation on the failure of this complex expensive engine! Well done!😄
@vt356bАй бұрын
Brilliant. Using a dead engine to illustrate some of the unusual engineering - and unusual failures - of this F1 derived design. Thank you!
@stormyboy66922 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, incredible explanation of the issues this engine suffered, well done!
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thanks for supporting the channel
@richyclubsport51552 ай бұрын
Seen lot's of reports and KZbin videos of McLaren engine failures, not what one would expect from such an expensive vehicle. You guy's certainly confirmed it's far from a rarity.
@kertzavar22662 ай бұрын
Mclaren engine failures are rare unless tuned. I have and still do own many Mclarens
@majedalameeri70892 ай бұрын
@@kertzavar2266even when tuned depends on the tune as they mentioned in the video
@richyclubsport51552 ай бұрын
@@kertzavar2266 don't know if modded or not, but seen over 20 different videos with blown engines.
@m4rvinmartian2 ай бұрын
I would sue. This is ridiculous.
@LeeXRV2 ай бұрын
@@richyclubsport5155it’s rare for a unmodified McLaren engine to fail, the engineering and design of those engines is incredible. Don’t let a few KZbin videos convince you otherwise given how many of these engines exist out there.
@FastJetPerformanceАй бұрын
So how did the oil pump drive shaft shear? What causes that, is it too much power from the map?
@gibbogleАй бұрын
That is a very surprising failure.
@dkjens07052 ай бұрын
Porsche 996 Turbo Mezger engines have crank guided piston rods. These are good up to 600HP, then you start playing Russian roulette. A rod will usually bend, making the S shape and the small end will hit the crank counter balance. This will first make a loud tap tap noice that quickly becomes less audible since the material is worn away but an audible tip tip sound will consist. This is a sign to get the engine rebuilt and upgrade to stronger rods. I took a customers engine apart. All six rods were bent but only one scraped on the counter balance. He was smart enough to not make another pull after initial pull that caused this bend and he luckily saved himself US$10,000 by not having to source a new case and possible cylinder. Another customer blew one rod through the case and cylinder bank one week before his engine was due to come to us for an upgrade to 1,000HP on E85. He had to add the $10,000 to his already not small bill ha ha.
@phil_d2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. As someone who has fitted forced induction and tuned humble engines such as the MX-5 BP to 300bhp, this is a fascinating insight into modern engines and design choices. I only wish I was still in that industry :o(
@AshRostami2 ай бұрын
thanks for giving us a look at this engine while you repaired it!
@atag5122 ай бұрын
subbed...no fluff and to the point.
@DescendxАй бұрын
I’ll keep an eye on my two Maclarens, cheers!
@robhallam8047Ай бұрын
I knew nothing about engines until today....brilliant and fascinating video mate....thank you!!
@fluffycotton46832 ай бұрын
Liked it very much, thank you, subscribed👍
@qfinaАй бұрын
Great vid, learned a lot, kept my attention throughout, thanks!
@paulhammal72312 ай бұрын
Nice vid. Enjoyed it 👍
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@MyMintus2 ай бұрын
Stumbled into the page and have to say what a great informative vid.
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@dean825Ай бұрын
Excellent video,well explained by a professional. 👍
@larrysmith49182 ай бұрын
Excellent content
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@bigbadjohn8207Ай бұрын
Wow! Great video!!
@bespoke5002 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video 😎
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear, part 2 coming real soon! 😎
@vr49662 ай бұрын
Fantastic professionalism, and skillsets!
@monty1412fz1Ай бұрын
great educational video thanks ...... would you consider shaving the con rods to allow a bit of lateral movement on the journals ????
@davidtraylor45052 ай бұрын
Admire your skills and everything explained perfectly. Respect
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
We appreciate that! 😎
@bootneck4016642 ай бұрын
Awesome video mate 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thanks very much! Part 2 coming soon 😎
@PhilbyFavourites2 ай бұрын
Very informative - loved the style and the tuition. I certainly learnt a lot 👍🏻👍🏻 Thankfully my little AMG GLA45 is untouched by tuners - still in the settings dear Peter Schindler built it with. No McLaren for me thank you 🤓🤓
@daveNewk2 ай бұрын
I love this channel your knowledge is ridiculous how did you learn all this
@SmasherDobson8443Ай бұрын
Cool Vid, You certainly know about engines
@makantahi37312 ай бұрын
3:51probably the pump should be changed every 1000km, like in f1
@zellerizedАй бұрын
Wow, that would be a huge engineering failure IMO
@ibtm2 ай бұрын
Very cool analysis! Cant wait for the Corvette ZORA!
@robertpeters35262 ай бұрын
Great video. Great explanation regarding the boost at lower rpm's vs not at least modifying the oil pump to compensate for that but, I was wondering why you didn't disassemble the pump in the video to maybe see what failed in the first place other than the shaft itself. Maybe a pump that will maintain pressure and volume at lower rpm's. Bob
@animaze80432 ай бұрын
7:39 Could it not be, that the missing oiling of the conrod meant the piston did not move adequately side to side by itself and eventually just "got stuck" and became damaged as result?
@akarilotube2 ай бұрын
Great video.
@abuhamza197028 күн бұрын
Fantastic video, so much information expertly delivered that even a mechanical muppet like can understand it. 😁 Add another sub to the ever growing list
@Rascularvideos2 ай бұрын
I'm very sure more power is not something I'd need in a 720S.
@captaintoyota31712 ай бұрын
The wealthy are FULL of ego and things that make them wealthy. Ala not logical or ethical beliefs
@milkman1000012 ай бұрын
well explained pal.understood all of it.
@chrisjames1422Ай бұрын
A very interesting and well-informed video.
@sabz3one32 ай бұрын
Classss video 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼 very informative
@andynater18852 ай бұрын
Nice content here guys, you deserve more subs. On a side note this is why I de-tuned my car, too much pressure on the rods.
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support! 😎
@dg80622 ай бұрын
$40k for a McLaren 720 engine doesn't surprise me in the slightest. In fact I would guess higher than that. Great video!
@mbbb9244Ай бұрын
40k POUNDS not dollars.
@r6scrubs126Ай бұрын
Yeah converted to USD it's 50k USD. Again that is without the labour cost of install which will also be several thousand I imagine
@joefx692 ай бұрын
Great teacher 🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏
@JohnBaxterWalker28 күн бұрын
You certainly know your stuff - impressive!
@wulliethedentАй бұрын
Extremely well explained.
@sleeeper882 ай бұрын
This engine shares many similarities to the lt6 z06 engine, hats off to gm for building a super car domestic engine. I'd love to take my lt6 apart just to inspect and see how this engine is out together
@crazyidiot5309Ай бұрын
Someone needs to show this to McLaren and have this explained. This is crazy. I know assembly errors happen, but to a handbuilt engine... someone was smoking something that day.
@auzonedave5403Ай бұрын
Dealership would have recommended new engine straight up because they would not know how to strip down and diagnose...let alone rebuild.
@jasonruch35292 ай бұрын
Thank for explaining why they bend rods at high boost low rpm 😊😊
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
You're welcome 😎
@DG-EditsYT2 ай бұрын
This engine and other recent Mclaren twin turbo V8s are blueprinted from the Nissan VRH35Z Twin-Turbocharged 32-valve V8 ie: early 1990s Maybe Mclaren did their own modifications to this design and made it worse in some ways
@Mk1MaleАй бұрын
You are wrong. You are corrected.
@DG-EditsYTАй бұрын
@Mk1Male explain correctly with your brain switched on
@NicolaasPlatenkamp2 ай бұрын
As you say if the oil pressure is low the chance of a rod bending is greater, so the oilpump failing could have caused the 2 rods to bend. The oil shaft snapping is a common issue, do not understand that Mclaren does not do a recall on this. (well it is ofcourse expensive...)
@navaho54302 ай бұрын
Great video, why did the oil pump main shaft break if you put the same back in what's stopping that one to break cheers.
@295walk2 ай бұрын
eeky ouchy . Maybe harmonics or inadequate component? Liability of an engine i wouldnt go near one .
@bramcoteelectrical1088Ай бұрын
Maybe the oil pump snapped as the rods bent and the force of that assembly stopping snapped the oil pump assembly
@fedomandezАй бұрын
@@bramcoteelectrical1088 The 2 failures are not correlate. Probably without the oil pump failure the engine could still work. Just with less compression on those 2 cylinders
@bramcoteelectrical1088Ай бұрын
@@fedomandez could have done.... intreasting to see why and get this tear down thou 😔
@PENGUINIAN19952 ай бұрын
i need the tracklist the music was hot fire
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Haha, we appreciate that you noticed this - Part 2 coming real soon! 😎
@timjackson1904Ай бұрын
Im no expert, but I did wonder if the bent rod caused a vibration transmitted to the oil pump shaft propagating a miniscule crack in the shaft from imperfections in the material?
@iansouchАй бұрын
Another Great Ricardo engine, bulletproof 🤔
@johnwingerd2831Ай бұрын
Curious what oil pump fixes this problem. Also with all that expensive glitter everywhere can the turbos be saved?
@BestKiteboardingOfficial2 ай бұрын
Beautiful, simple explanation of bad tuning and too little oil pressure
@warntheidiotmasses7114Ай бұрын
Good thing they have all that CAD/CAM technology to design oil pumps. The more they implement technology in manufacturing the worse everything the make becomes, cars, planes, appliances.
@dmc568116 күн бұрын
Rods were not designed for a tuned engine or in other words the tune was not good as it never considered the limits of the engine.. It’s not a piston guided rod issue at all
@porsche928racing82 ай бұрын
Great video and very informative. What was engine mileage?
@markcortis234828 күн бұрын
Clever chap, 👊
@dommer2162Ай бұрын
I could listen to dude talk all day!
@maxcoldest71962 ай бұрын
Very well done! Your knowledge and ability is impressive, young man! From a veteran Japanese shop owner/ tech of 36 yrs...
@joelfildes5544Ай бұрын
Fair dos arkid,you know yer schizzle !
@Repomex012 ай бұрын
Damn!!! Just Subbed!!
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😎
@RetrocarStyle2 ай бұрын
Is that gearbox a Tremec? Looks like one.....
@liberte17002 ай бұрын
My dad always tol me this about car a small thing can do a lot of damages.
@clkgroup63672 ай бұрын
Straight forward presentation - easy to follow. Subscribed. Suggestion - lose the click bait title.
@CarsofGlasgow2 ай бұрын
Good video
@order90662 ай бұрын
I love car companies owned by Bahrain.
@bigpapi882 ай бұрын
2:04 is this from a lack of oil changes???
@ke0kie2 ай бұрын
write-off brand, there's simply no way to offset the annoyance factor of "will it work today"
@TheHayabusa092 ай бұрын
''And we did it for far less...39k quid.."
@rogerbrandt66782 ай бұрын
Compared to a new warranty from McLaren’s with zero kilos, damn why you try and save money like that is crazy.
@Skyrexx72 ай бұрын
😂😂
@FalconXE3022 ай бұрын
How many miles... is it not under warranty...? The failure of that pump shaft... surely should immediately be taken care of by McLaren as it is a material failure and that component was not suitable for the job it was built for...! EDIT: Was it tuned and thus no warranty...? (Even though, that failure of the oil pump shaft should not be down to a tune...?) I like the video approach... and cool calm well explained approach... you got a new sub... look forward to the dyno runs.
@myz06rocks2 ай бұрын
I was waiting to hear the car was tuned…
@dantem3062 ай бұрын
Was this tuned?
@MotorsportPerformance2 ай бұрын
@@dantem306 yes, by another company
@khvidtube16172 ай бұрын
£40K for a new McLaren 720S engine to me is not that bad. I would go for that instead of rebuilding it.
@Vgk362 ай бұрын
You guys should just put a 2j or twin turbo LS in it. At least then it would be reliable.
@assistantto007Ай бұрын
It appears that the design of the oil pump is substandard. Why not incorporate an oil pump that provides plenty of pressure at relatively low engine speeds, and build in an excess pressure relief mechanism so the pressure doesn't run too high ?
@stevenross-watt86402 ай бұрын
Pistons and rods for any 720s that wants to be tuned?
@18aprilia2 ай бұрын
Forbidden glitter in the oil!
@ray03112 ай бұрын
Dang how all this damage come about in a car that cost $$$$$$.00
@DouglasRosser2 ай бұрын
Boost
@fabienthuillez90842 ай бұрын
I love McLaren one of m’y favorite super car brand but honestly with all the probeme their car got I still don’t know how they sell those cars this one is tuned so the chance of failure increases but even stock they have lot of problems
@Cryptoversity2 ай бұрын
I wonder if the factory tuned failures of these cars are all oil pump failure based?
@recoilrob324Ай бұрын
Seeing the broken oil pump shaft reminded me of all the videos of idiots cold starting and revving the crap out of engines. Best to keep revs down until the oil warms up a bit.