WILL IT FIT? 11-speed cassette on an BUDGET 8-speed HUB?

[@raphaelroshwalb5500]

I was screening at my screen when u where cleaning the dork disc, *TAKE IT OFF, TAKE IT OFFFF*

[@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes]

Snob. I'm a dork and proud

[@javito810]

I said the same! 😂 please take it off!!!

[@JH09SUMIT]

@ It shows you're a noob

[@mtbboy1993]

@ cus it will shatter and rider might not notice it being shattered and pieces in the trail and another rider can get a puncture by riding on top of the sharp plastic. I found a broken dork disk on a trail once and I put it in my backpack and threw it in the nearest garbage can

@@mtbboy1993 That's rare to happen, also if you have a good one like mine, its black and has more flexibility not like that cheap resin one, it gives my bike nice look, i think its benefits more than its disadvantages, just my opinion.

[@iffy_too6465]

I have one of those hubs, it got sent back within a month under warranty for a rebuild and re-grease as it was bone dry from factory. Its on a XC bike and I've bounced it round my local trials since October 2020 on a daily basis ever since. Its still alive.

[@DilbertMuc]

I was really sceptical seeing him put on the cassette with the dork disc still on it. But he recovered from epic fail and voilà, it's gone... :D))))

[@aneudyfernandez681]

I was about to say remove the dorky disc 🤐🤫

[@samtyler7528]

There is a mis-understanding as of which gear combinations will work. For mtb, an 8 speed through 11 speed Cassette will fit on the sam free hub body while a road free hub body is different between the 11 speed and 8-10 speed cassettes. A road 11 speed is wider than an mtb 11 speed

[@bonjour88-x7u]

true - my older 8 speed road 700c wheel does not accept 11 speed cassette - too short

[@spooner9440]

Keep the experiment project going, bro. Clear vid as always, the narrative and simple stuff. . I am into motorbikes but you are kicking my young years back on. 5 stars from here!

[@---GOD---]

Dude, so glad I found your channel. Your videos are awesome!

[@MCMTB]

Thanks GoD

[@545future6]

yo i finally found god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tefltoulouse]

Well done! Anything to avoid the rip off no-compatability thing that we all have to live with now.

[@wideblue4231]

Good thing I saw this video! I'm using the same hub. It's a relief to know I don't have to buy a new set of hubs. Thanks man!

[@ianraybetron4300]

Nice....as long as it fits..it will work . Now I can upgrade my non-series shimano 9-speed to an 11 speed. Tnx.

[@ryanpeace1664]

Cool video. I just bought a 2020 pitch and I love it. Please keep the videos coming!

[@hubdeep9452]

I had heard it should fit but it's great to see it happen. Removing the Dork disk made me so happy too.

[@onebackzach]

You might have been able to even keep the old derailleur since the shift lever is what actually controls how much cable is taken in or let out with each shift. You just have to adjust the high and low set screws on the derailleur assuming it's a compatible shimano.

[@cachepilll286]

Can someone verify?

[@derrickquintal]

This is only true if you're using a friction style shift mechanism. The shift spacing for 8,9,10 ect are all slightly different. Yes you can extend the travel of your derailleur, but you won't have smooth shifts into every gear using the wrong shifter.

[@cachepilll286]

@@derrickquintal thanks

[@SimonAElson]

I’m thinking of doing the same thing so did a KZbin search and your video came up. Awesome.

[@alexandrtarasenko1531]

You had me at "I brought a file just in case." I will also be doing this myself... Good to know there's a chance...

[@Mir0222]

I can tell you it works but that's a 5month old comment so you already know :D

[@justinzlabys5260]

i kid you not this is exactly the video I was looking for today, and you just posted it. Thank you thank you thank you!!

[@DilbertMuc]

If you put that huge cassette on... which is way larger than the dork disc behind it, you have to use the XXL dork disc from Shimano. They are currently out of stock, but Shimano will fedex them to you as soon as they are available again. They also offer a special carbon super dork disc, for only U$ 149,- for those of you who want outstanding performance at low weight.

[@andrewince8824]

If it's of any help, the Shimano HG Spline driver is a standardised part. Cassettes are designed to fit it and that is why 6/7/8 speed chains are about 7mm wide at the pin but 12 speed chains are about 5.1mm at the pin. The Cassettes are all the same thickness, the rings are slimmer and tighter spaced to allow for more speeds in the same space. Campagnolo have started to produce a 13 speed for roadies. That set up uses a 4.9mm chain to further allow the cassette to fit within a standardised hub space. Shimano micro-spline and SRAM XD drivers are now complicating the market but they still hold the same cassette width, they just make the driver diameter smaller to accommodate a 10t ring, HG spline can only fit an 11t at the smallest. If you're upgrading an older bike the real hang up will likely be the Bottom Bracket. Chuck that square taper, Octalink of ISIS spline in the bin, we're now in the world of SRAM DUB, 24mm and 30mm two-piece cranksets. This is the area which can mess up would be 1x newcomers as a 2x or 3x crankset will not give a good chainline and 10, 11 and 12 speed really need a narrow-wide chainring to work properly. My personal recommendation is pricey but worthwhile for ease and quality. Buy a SRAM NX Eagle 11-50t cassette for about $100 then fork out a further $300 or so for the SRAM GX Eagle groupset. You'll get the entire 12 speed drivechain in one easy go plus it uses the DUB Bottom Bracket system. This is great if you have an older BB shell which may not fit some of the newer cranks too well. If you can get an XD driver for your hub, do so and omit the NX cassette, the 10-50t GX cassette gives you a better range however requires the previously mentioned driver.

[@toothlessboss]

Would and 11 speed fit on a 2017 diamondback recoil

[@andrewince8824]

@@toothlessboss if it's going on a HG spline then it should do. Just make sure the hub body and cassette use the same spline interface. Both SRAM and Shimano recently(ish) made new standard bodies for their 12 speed and top-end kit. Most cassettes are still HG though. The one thing to look out for is a spacer that some freehubs have. It's between the cassette and hubshell on the freehub body and it's just there to ensure limited range cassettes (often 9 speed or less) are indexed for the best chainline. That needs to come off for an 11spd.

[@andrewince8824]

@@toothlessboss if it's any further help, my first 12 speed was fitted to a 2005 Marin East Peak, this stuff is "backward compatible" so-to-speak.

[@toothlessboss]

@@andrewince8824 thank you so much

[@andrewince8824]

@@toothlessboss you're welcome, I'm glad I can help.

[@gregvasby1079]

Wow I just was getting ready to change mine and ran across your video. You saved me a lot of worries thanks so much for the great video

[@mcguireguy]

I just ordered the exact same set for my Giant Revel 0 (old drivetrain was a 3x8) supa cool man

[@patricksilwimba]

Did this workout, though it has been a year since you posted.

[@rjmicael3501]

im liking all the upgrades you post because those are exactly what i want to do with my ‘15 Rockhopper. Maybe in the future you do a complete strip down of a project bike. I’d like to see custom painting of the frame. Ingats!

[@igorshkvarok4156]

agreed

[@RiderBlitz1.0]

The same surprise i got today, cause i didn't know that i can install 10 speed on my 8 speed (pre installed) cassette, got in the mechanic store and installed it

[@yuval1516]

Removing the dork disk is so satisfying

[@mindgraphy_]

My local bike shop said I can probably fit max 10-speed cassette on my 9-speed hub so I went ahead and bought a good condition 2nd hand Shimano XT derailleur & shifter. Should’ve done bit more research before because it seems I could’ve jumped straight to 11-speed. Well, at least I didn’t pay much for the XT 10-speed and 11-speed would’ve been more expensive anyway. Good video!

[@octagon_009]

Thanks for doing this. A local bike shop just told me i should invest in a new bike if i wanted to upgrade from 9 to 11 speed..

[@kevinchavez6220]

This is going to be my next upgrade for my ‘12 Trek Marlin. I’ve actually tried to go 1x for quite some time but after doing more research I thought it’d be too expensive. This video really made me want to actually do it!!

[@LoCoFab717]

The new shimano deore 1x12 is $300 for cranks, derailleur, cassette, and shifter. You just need to get the proper bottom bracket and chainring and you can run it on that bike

[@ibby81ae]

@@LoCoFab717 I'm about to buy Shimano Deore M6100 1x12, are you saying the rear cassette would fit a 8 cassette hub?

[@PuntokUno1014]

@@LoCoFab717 what do you mean the proper bottom bracket chainring? do we need to have a chain ring to be compatable for a 1x12?

[@echoesofpeace]

Very cool you vid just gave me more motivation to go this to my RockHopper✌🏻🌵

[@mrcommonsense6445]

Man Im starting to Love Bikes

[@chhuanmawii9630]

Eyyy Call of Duty Mobile noob

[@youngfinance6319]

I love bikes tbh. They require no license or anything and can go pretty fast if u get something good

[@michaeljerez2640]

wow erp non stop upgrades love it keep it comming erp

[@ianmangham4570]

Wow those pizza 🍕 gears look great ,I love the big dish ✌💯

[@bebopman5]

Just an FYI for anyone reading, the Shimano HG hub, usually known as the "8-10 speed hub" (as you see on the bike in this video) will normally fit any mountain bike cassette 8-12 speed that is made for this standard of hub. Some earlier versions of the hub won't fit 10 speed+, but that's from the late 90s, early 2000s. Now, the catch is that this hub will not work with standard 11 speed road cassettes. They need the specific 11 speed Shimano HG hub with the extra space to fit. Since I'm already on this tangent, there are 11 speed road cassettes that will fit the mountain bike sized HG hub, but they have to list that they are "8-10 speed hub" compatible in the specifications.

[@makaizaid1929]

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[@prestonkaiser7519]

@Makai Zaid Instablaster =)

[@makaizaid1929]

@Preston Kaiser Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm in the hacking process now. Seems to take a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

[@makaizaid1929]

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[@prestonkaiser7519]

@Makai Zaid You are welcome xD

[@chuakitz]

Got the same hub and was already planning to replace my groupset... well, it changed now 😉

[@kitfrancismorelos1233]

boss pag ba 10 speed casette pde ba ang 9 to 12 speed hubs?

[@Quaid_Nasty]

Like to see the progress, some don't appreciate the lower end highs enough

[@herbertcamus6275]

This is very surprising, and helpful. I also use the same hub and planning to upgrade on 11speed. Viola! Hello SLX 🤩

[@jgarbutt1378]

Anything up to 11 speed will fit on a hg freehub, for 12 speed you need an Xd hub or a micro spline hub

[@MarcusNesbitt4]

Is this what the manufacturer says? I have a hg hub but shimano say it will only take up to a 10 speed

[@ryberglund]

@@MarcusNesbitt4 Yes, there are three standards for HG freehubs. 7 speed(discontinued), 8/9/10 speed, and 11 speed road. 11 speed is road required for standard 11 speed road cassettes. 10 speed is used for everything else including 11 speed mountain. Shimano even makes an 11 speed road cassette that will fit on a 10 speed hub (HG800-11). Shimano now makes a deore 11 speed 11-51 cassette that fits on a 10 speed HG freehub.

[@jgarbutt1378]

@@ryberglund also sram nx/sx 12 speed and sunrace hg 12 speeds

[@oap2020]

Bro Your Videos are so informative! You actually show us how to do the work! Also being that you do it with bare min tools that any average can buy is great! You encouraged me to do my own bike work!

[@fennec13]

most centerlock hubs are pretty modern and will accept up to at least 11 speed. 1x11 Shimano SLX is a great groupset - I have it and it works amazing.

[@---GOD---]

SRAM's NX Eagle uses a 12-speed cassette that fits directly on regular Shimano style hubs in the same way. I think Shimano just released a competitive 12-speed as well.

[@ChronoCard]

XTR has been 12 speed for 2 years now. XT and SLX twelve speed were out last year, and Deore 12 speed was just made available.

[@johnnycubelo3263]

Thanks Stay Safe MC Cycles, From Senior Citizen 66 years old # Pandemic New Biker Batangas city Philippines.

[@kahoycrafts]

Cool upgrade, yeah I'd been wondering if an old 8/9 spd hub could support the newer cassettes. I think they add more gears by making the chain narrower, so that's probably why it's compatible.

[@andrewince8824]

Yep. That's exactly how it's done. A 7 speed chain is 7mm wide at the pins, a 12spd chain is about 5.1mm wide at the pin. But, the plates are pretty much the same thickness which is where the confusion and up until recently skepticism about narrower chains came from. For a fair while people were worried a narrower 12spd chain would be weaker. While they aren't as tough they're still solid and despite my best efforts, still haven't snapped one.

[@ronaldfunkhouser7581]

Dude, thanks for the video. I have been wanting to do this to my Pitch. Now i know i can

[@arnilmaro9873]

Another episode of “what if” busted. One of the hot topics in mtb groups “can you fit an 11 speed cogs to an 8/9 speed freehub?” Here it is, Mark got the answer 😎👊

[@TyrannoKoenigsegg]

My bike shop said I probably wouldn't be able to even fit a 10 speed and I literally own the same bike

[@FantaFuture92]

It's the deep lockring. A normal lockring would have not worked with this hub

[@mtbboy1993]

It has been stated several places already, if you want to know if you will find it by searching. So this is nothing new and has been already answered several years ago. Explained in detail.

[@joshuadavis8739]

I just converted a 3x9 to a 1x12 SRAM Eagle NX. It's definitely doable, with zero modification the free hub body.

[@mtbboy1993]

@@joshuadavis8739 which hub and cassette? Did you mean 12 speed or 11 speed? 12 speed sram is Xd drive only, and 12 speed shimano is Micro Spline only. Not Hyperglide like shown here. Most modern hubs you can swap the freehub on. My hope tech pro4 can theoretically use 12 speed on HG if that existed, the freehub is wide and sits further out than old school hubs. It comes with a spacer for 8-11 cassettes, yes they are the same width. Only cog spacing is different. You probably mean the 11 speed nx eagle cassette it uses HG spline like in this video.

[@MTBThrumyeyez]

Awesome. Good to see you back at bike builds.

[@beddyboy]

Mark I love the Punk Lets try it attitude, I am building a Bike and your vids make me believe I can do it without spending huge amounts of Money. Peace Brother.

[@nickmcalinden5661]

Should’ve left the dork disc on. Extra style points for being rad and dorky! Great video Mate!

[@hoover_bass]

Yes it works, I have SLX 11speed casette on 8 speed hub.

[@julioserna5659]

Hi !!! Whats the update so far Thanks!

[@hoover_bass]

@@julioserna5659, stilll working on the same bike and hub but 1000 km later :)

[@G-C-G]

Thanks for putting the answer in the description so I didn't have to watch the video 😂 In all seriousness though, you helped me out a lot, cheers mate!

[@cesarmarcano9554]

I put a Sunrace Mz90 12 speed cassette on my 8 speed hub and it fits perfect

[@edheljohnporras902]

Shimano 8 speed hub? Newbie here

[@cesarmarcano9554]

Edhel John Porras yes Shimano hub, I have a got aggressor pro and it works fine

[@fischfritz100]

cesar what hubs did u put it on?

[@cesarmarcano9554]

Mc1579 I putted on the stock ones... it fits perfect

[@MatheusHenrique-nz3zh]

Got a SRAM 12s NX 11-50 on my old 8 speed shimano hub. Working like a charm

[@tomstephenson1981]

that is so very helpful. i just bought the same slx stuff for my gt, fingers crossed it fits

[@DaveyJhones615]

Thank you for taking the time and sharing this video. Stay safe healthy out there.

[@UKSHARPSHOOTER78]

I'm doing this aswel just wondering what's size is your freehub mines measuring at 35mm with an 8 speed cassette

[@TyrannoKoenigsegg]

Love watching you work on this bike. Just got some WTB wheels on mine

[@MissingLinkMTB]

Was going to go 1x and upgrade my 9 speed rear to 10, but think i might try 11 speed. Worth checking out at least.

[@yepbriz]

Yup! You dont need that dork disc, awesome it works smooth enjoy the 11s.

[@kenworth7603]

Nice one tol. Will upgrade my 1x8 giant talon to with shimano hub sram nx 11 speed came off from my other bike that i will be upgrading to gx eagle with xd hub. Cool videos bro

[@oskarsurkhali8163]

he deserves more subscribers ❤️❤️❤️

[@choddo]

Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks!

[@IanRamon]

me too

[@greenleafycabbage8715]

Man I was looking for this video. I have 8 speed cassette cogs on my fat bike. Maybe it will work the same. Thanks bro

[@viper200075]

Cool...I just learned something new,thanks brotha

[@radupirvan7940]

i will do this to my pitch in the future

[@martijndekker1134]

I you can fit a Shimano 11 speed you can fit a sram 12 speed.

[@matatertots9714]

I might too

[@vincenttremblay4045]

@@martijndekker1134 dépends SX and nx casette yes but not gx

[@SolLignum]

Woah! That's my hub! Awesome, i'll be able to upgrade to 1 by 10\11 in the future with no problem! Currently waiting for a 32t chainring to see if 1 by 8 is any good. Your videos are great! Keep up the good work!

[@barefootbob1269]

If You have any good climbs you will probably struggle with 1x8 unless your a beast lol

[@SolLignum]

@@barefootbob1269 sounds fair. I'm indeed struggling with some now, but it just feels like i'll be struggling on any gear, just for a little longer, due to lower speed. I've also recently discovered that there are some wider-range 8-speed cassetes on the market though. so i'm thinking of a little extension.

[@barefootbob1269]

@@SolLignum Yes there are some options in that area. A note of caution is with that comes some weird gear spacing.For example on an 11-46 8 speed sprockets would be 11-13-16-22-28-34-40-46 which means a fairly dramatic change from one gear to the next. That same cassette in an 11 speed would have a better transition between gears my 11-46 runs 11-13-15-18-21-24-28-32-36=40-46 just gives you a tighter ratio. I am a big guy at 270 riding a fat bike and have some steep climbs here in the northeast and combo works great for me. I am running a 32t oval up front.

[@SolLignum]

@@barefootbob1269 yeah, i've been considering the possibility of various shifting shennanigans as well, but hey, those are ditry cheap cassettes and even if this won't work well, i can always switch back to stock and just save for a proper 1 by conversion, so i think i might still try that some day. Will report my results :)

[@geraldmusni1956]

tamang tama yan video mo at mag covert din ako ng 3x7 to 1x9 or 7 lang. Pashout out Gerald From Baliuag Bulacan

[@RAPTURE444]

thanks man I was wondering if it will fit my 8 speed hub

[@matrixracing8268]

Really Surprised It Fit!

[@johngreene6783]

Good thing the lock ring was loose, because you had the chain whip on the wrong direction. I'd like to see what happens to the threads for the lock ring if he actually tightened it properly

[@Siren_lover]

Nice video. Im on my way to fit the 11 cassette to 9/10speed hub.

[@bourne71]

Thx mate. You´ve just answered all my questions. Converting 2x9 to 1x11 Shimano Deore M5100 and I was worried that the cassette wouldn´t fit on a 8/9/10 speed freehub body.

[@Pap3rPlanesss]

Did you end up doing this? Just bought a 11speed to fit on my 9speed Pitch

[@bourne71]

@@Pap3rPlanesss Yes I did and it worked perfectly.

[@Pap3rPlanesss]

​@bourne71 what teeth cog are you running. Wondering if I need to change my 30 cog 27.5

[@bourne71]

@@Pap3rPlanesss I use a 48 narrow wide in the front and a 11-42 in the back

[@Pap3rPlanesss]

@@bourne71 What type of riding do you do? I do uphill, lets see how my 30 11-51t feels. If its too light i may get a 32

[@ElotBalot]

UP NEXT: HYDRAULIC BRAKESSSSSS!!!!

[@johngreene6783]

I’m sure you knew it would fit before making the video. Hmmm, lock ring already loose. Setup video or horrible previous work.

[@Jimmytheexplorer]

Bruh my friend put shimano deore m6000 breaks on his old pitch, he let me ride it and they are AWSOME

[@edmmaster8054]

Yay no more dork disk.😂 I think I commented before complaining 😂

[@mrowczak1900]

Sunrace have 12 speed casette, for shimano HG hub ( 8-10 speed ). China company ZTTO ( they are dong quite sweet stuff ) have 13 speed casette for shimano HG hub also. :)

[@evgeniyp1976]

filing freehub body splines may fail - rd cage might touch the spokes. but on the other way new shimano cassetes like 11-34 may fit on 10sp road freehub body.

[@kahlil-khaos9996]

Its alive!!!! Mabuhay kang cassette ka!!!!

[@thampadua7261]

Hahahahaah

[@originalchristianvogt]

The TX505 is an up to 10speed-hub, an 10speed cassette has an width of 37.2 mm and 11speed has 37,7 mm which is only 0,5 mm difference.

[@JenkinsB]

SLX came on my Nukeproof Scout! Love it, does everything I need it to!

[@demackire6368]

Nice video bro, tnx 4 sharing your experiment.

[@bossolecksulit534]

Ayos., Thanks sa pag share., Pwd ko na cguro upgrade bike ko., 3x9 gamit ko., So pwd pala ako mag 1x11.. ay salamat hnd na gagastos ng wheelset.

[@jayvilladelgado9991]

kailangan din ba magbalit ng shifter sir michael?

[@MTBBoliviaXC]

Great! I have the same problem, i will change my 8 speed to a 11 speed and now i know it works, thanks!

[@kaedeschulz5422]

Shouldn't be a surprise as the HG free hub bodie is a standard. Why would they make different widths for 8, 9,10,11 or 12speed? Makes production a lot more expensive.

[@TTBokTV]

You can install SRAM SX for 12 speed upgrade, works with shimano free hubs.

[@xaviermartinlosbanes3812]

Great vid! Absolutely what every1's fussing about. I guess the big question now is, will the same hub fit a 12-speed cassette?

[@KyriaxWitch]

with sunrace cassetes yes

[@alan181090]

Sunrace mz90: hold my chain

[@engo8207]

Sunrace only. Or new freehub with microspline for shimano. With 10x cassette an adaptershim (1,25 mm i think) under the cassette is needed

[@tribalink72]

Not just Sunrace, Sram NX and SX Eagle cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 speed freehub.

[@engo8207]

@@tribalink72 your right

[@HeathenRides]

Congratulations nice that it fitted perfectly but it makes me wonder if a 12r would also fit anyways I wish it was a 12r that just almost fitted perfectly so you would have to use the file you were planning on for just a minute or two,,, anyways very good that it came on without a problem,,,(i use the nx11speed)

[@grit9353]

Planning to do this on my Specialized rockhopper and transfer my 2/9 speed into my wife's Pitch, hope it works. Salamat kapadyak.

[@zardsjr.4142]

Hi... Can I use 10speed drive train to my Alivio2x 9s crank. Thanks a lot

[@justk6988]

@@zardsjr.4142 Whatdehek Look at that video dude He has 11eleven speed

[@fkbrains1769]

Hi. I have fuel ex 8 2013 it’s a 10 speed. I’m wanting to upgrade to a single chainring, im so confused at what to choose. I’m hearing 11-42 on a 34t with a deore m8000 medium guard rd will work perfectly and then others saying it won’t. Can any one give me piece of mind so I can go ahead and purchase the upgrade. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks

[@braulio1o4]

what can i say about those hubs... cheap, and reliable as F!... not the lightest but pretty good for a low budget proyect

[@CloudZYT]

what wheels are thoose?

[@danielcodreanu3390]

Love how you upgrade your bike

[@peterspowage5752]

It only fitted because the Shimano 11sp mtb cassette is the same width as a 9/10 sp. However the 11sp Shimano road cassettes are wider and require a wider freebody. As a matter of further information, Shimano 10sp road cassettes are narrower than 8/9 which is the reason for the thin spacer. It's a bit complicated, so check compatibility before you commit to spending cash or contemplate getting to work with a file.

[@morbit2001]

Bravo! The 11sp cassette fits on my sport pitch 2015 perfect real problems are - the rear 11sp derailller - needs an extra piece to fit this old bike skelet - the 11sp shifter needs adjustment on the steering - doesn't grip on itself and it can't be held by the old brake grip - must change the front disks - the 11 sp chain needs arangement for all the changes mentioned above its alot of work...

[@johngreen762]

I upgraded my pitch to an entire SRAM NX Eagle drivetrain (which is a 1x12 drivetrain) and it works like a dream. Just letting anyone know who wants to upgrade to 12 speed.

[@waitforitwaitforitturbo8172]

Awesome video thanks for sharing that! But, you really need a lot more torque on the lock ring than that. The friction from sandwiching the cogs and spacers together helps distribute the load from pedaling and prevents those nasty dings on the hub body, or something like that. Also "dork" disks are actually really good, especially if you swap wheels with frequency or might bang your derailleur when riding (say for cyclocross, etc). And that might explain why you still see them show up consistently on some higher end wheels. I didn't learn that the hard way, nah... RIP my rear tubular wheel spokes.

[@fantaz_official]

Dork disc are actually required by law, or maybe its a manufacturer standard. Its a safety thing so people who dont know to adjust their derailleur dont get a chain caught in the wheel. And yeah he really NEEDS a LOT more torque on that lock ring!!

[@ryanshields7545]

thanks for getting the dork disc off!!

[@NielAdvenTour]

Thanks for this video idol it really helps me a lot.

[@alutious]

My road bike is supposed to have an extra spacer with the 10 speed cassette, and to put an 11 speed cassette, it is a bit wider, so it doesn't have a lockring, and the cogs/teeth are thinner. In terms of 12 speed, what i think is happening there is there is a small cog with 10 teeth and the newer ones even have 9 teeth. This is to make up for a faster top end bike speed with only one chainring. Regardless of perceived space on the length/depth of the hub, these won't fit because the inner diameter of the cogs are too small. I understand the reason the small cog is limited to 11 teeth is because of the cassette's inner diameter. The 12 speed hub has a smaller diameter, probably due to advances in metals - less metal, but stronger, so they can make it smaller? y new wheels support 10 and 11 speed, so i can go up to an 11 if i want to change my shifters etc, but i can't go 12 speed. Which is ok. I will prob go from 8s to 9s on my old bike the box, so i can get rid of the dang shifting on the front 3 chainrings :-)

[@melbournecampana1716]

I watch this and gives so many ideas. i will by a PITCH MEN soon!!! thanks bro!!!

[@showze21]

good job, but there is a youtube video about dork discs, too.....which says its good to have, prevents damage, when the chain jumps off the cassette into the spokes

[@aldanboston3706]

Im using shimano free hub rm-36 and its also 11s compatible

[@neilmiranda4270]

finally! a video that many of us can relate

[@adrianpaul2306]

It's obvious 7,8,9,10,11 speed compatible to old freehub body of the hub. But if 12 speed it needs microspline freehub body type

[@maironrincon]

This video make my day, thanks a lot

[@markravenmercado9346]

Shimano 11 speed cassette mtb specific compatible with any mtb specific cassette