MCN citizens weigh in on Freedmen lawsuit

[@stephanieb.9147]

The last guy hit it on the nail. Why let another race of people tell you who you are? To be black you only need one drop, to be indigenous you have go through the ringer to prove it.

[@MariM-hx1mo]

There are plenty of black people that have Indian blood in them which is why natives also want them to provide documentation and paper work for what reason🤷🏾‍♀️ like you said blood don’t lie.....but for some reason natives want people to jump through paperwork hoops .... some native tribes have became just as corrupt as their white counterparts that support them...

[@marksmall1476]

Native tribes leaders are the ones who decide who's in,not whites.

[@russelljackson5625]

@@stormy-le6pb You need to study real history, plus stop saying all black are trying to tell So-called indians who they are. So-called indians came in all colors. Facts

[@blackpanther-kt7xx]

@@stormy-le6pb really 5 dollar Indians?

[@abhaglory]

@@stormy-le6pb Black Americans don't need anyone to tell them who they are either. A good part of the genetics and culture come from the First Nations of this land. It seems to me that people who express the sentiments like the first interviewee don't seem to mind the government telling them who they are. It's all so heartless.

[@TashaXi]

Much respect to the man at the end. He seems the most in touch with his ancestors and unbiased. You can’t say that the “Freedmen” can’t use a treaty that was signed by both the US and Creek governments as proof of citizenship, and then base their heritage from Rolls created by the US government but claim sovereignty rights. It’s biased and unfair. Creek is a government like the US is a government. It is not necessarily a race. These people’s ancestors were citizens of that government for hundreds of years. To deny them is wrong and racist, because there seems to be no bias towards people who are 75% European who are citizens, per their ‘quarter by blood’ rule.

[@tainofury6318]

Tasha Xi good point we are the originals they want to question the freedmen but don't question $5 dollar indians

[@BlindMice-wq9zq]

Why would you people care if they don’t deny white peoples? What difference would it make? They both enslaved us black people. Our triumph from being dragged here from Africa to become congressmen, senators and even a US president. Why do we black people want to be counted with the people that held us down and continue to discriminate. We are African descendants first, even if your ancestors were held in bondage by them

[@shunthatdude2773]

The same trolls on every video

[@christopherwess4305]

I need to come to oklahoma.tl see this dude

[@fireinjunred]

2016stormy bruh you’re brainwashed tryna scare me with a white man’s religion You not perfect bruh you don’t know where you goin in the afterlife Like if you gonna debate stick to the damn topic so annoyin There’s proof of who was actually here 1st but you’re a waste of energy

[@MoonHawk01]

Today Creek freedman won their lawsuit lol it was an overwhelming amount of people who were creek by blood who were listed as freedman

[@YaYa_1435]

Congratulations!!!

[@stormy-le6pb]

Freedmen should B content that they got reparatons from Creek nation when they see that whites freedmen got absolutely nothing. But Freedmen want 2 B covetous 4 the things that belong 2 their neighbors. that is an outright sin against Gods commandments.

[@tippy550storm]

I saw a black guy N that group that was suing Creek nation that was part Creek & he looked so much like a Creek Indian. He reminded me so much of my own brother. I wanted to cry. There was no mistake he was part Creek, but I don't see the same Creek features N the rest of group that were there. None has any Creek features like that one guy did.

[@GlobalAfrikanProgress]

As an African American I can understand not claiming someone who has less than 25% blood, and no direct lineage. However, the economic impact must be considered. It can be argued that had the original "Freedmen" been given what they were owed that their descendants would be better off today. I think that maybe they should stop fighting for citizenship and seek some other way to be made whole. Don't go where you aren't wanted.

[@gawdzuniqorn7269]

Europeans met the Creeks. They began "trading" and doing "business". Many Creeks adopted European ways and owned African Workers. Those African workers worked for and bred (had babies)with Creek natives. Those African workers walked the Trail of Tears with Creek Natives. Those Africans relocated and lived in "Indian Territory" and on Indian reservations with Creek Natives. Suddenly, money gets involved and the Natives forget who the African Workers are. In the end, The European gets the land, the money, and rightfully gets to claim ownership. The Africans are kicked out and the Natives cling desperately to uphold the European way hoping to keep what he hasn't yet taken from them. The Africans once again, are alienated. Natives and Europeans who engage in these politics willingly are upholders of racism and white supremacy...particularly with 'blood quantum' and citizenship.

[@tippy550storm]

Freedmen did get reparations already N 160 acres of Indian land for their work, so its not like they got nothing at all like the ex-slaves of white men, who got nothing.

[@ejohnson1767]

I have family that is by blood citizens. They don't know the culture or language. Yet they are still citizens.

[@lasha4585]

There's a total misunderstanding about what Freedman means, they were NOT all slaves!!!!

[@lasha4585]

@@stormy-le6pb Again, you need to do some more research. The Creeks were a part of the 5 Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek (Muscogee), and Seminole. They all had "Black" Ancestry...both "Columbus" and DeSoto described the first people they saw as "Copper colored" and "Looking like Ethiopians" respectively. There were "Black" American Indians with "slaves" too (some of them did it for business reasons and others to rescue their family members from more vicious slave owners). In fact, the first man to be granted the right, by the Court, to keep his Slave for life was a "Black Man" by the name of Anthony Johnson. There's more to American history than what's been told in the American school system.

[@lasha4585]

@@stormy-le6pb Whoever you are, you're wasting my time, believe what you want to believe and watch how GOD works this out in favor of his true people...the original people, not the FAKE $5.00 Indians!!! FYI, all of "Noah's children were "Black", just like him!!!!

[@lasha4585]

@@stormy-le6pb You can say whatever, you want...we'll see who wins in the end!!!

[@lasha4585]

@@stormy-le6pb You can say whatever, you want...we'll see who wins in the end!!! By the way, you're wasting your time because I'm not reading any more of your LIES!!!! You want to talk about GOD with all the HATE you have in your heart for so-called Black people?! You're ass is going to HELL!!! You're NOT GOD, you don't get to tell other people who they are?!!!

[@vonindigenous9722]

2016stormy stfu my family are on the Dawes rolls as creek freedmen! Freedmen are coppered colored aboriginal indians and what ever you say out your mouth or what you type will never change the fact that lighter native Americans were simply saving the darker native Americans it had nothing to do with them being actual slaves because they were fully clothed with their own land knew how to read and write and lived the same just as the lighter skinned Indians did and most darker skinned natives owned “slave” ... but it’s was actually the natives saving family members that were captured because of the slave trade happed the way it did then my native freedmen family wouldn’t be all together living in the same space and they would have been spread out. So stop trolling and go and get you some business please and stop denying my ancestors they true aboriginal identity! It makes no sense if they were really Africans they would not try so hard to be native indians but they were freedmen so wouldn’t they have the right to express they’re African roots if they had any? And a lot of evidence proves that the so called African Americans are actually Native American Indians and not descendent of Africans ... African know nothing of a slave trade to America ever happening until they get over here and get taught it in schools or by brainwashed blacks that tries to still all the cultures and tribes of the people on the continent of Africa! The people on the continent of Africa want nothing to do with us because they know we are not the same people. So called “African Americans” don’t mix with the people from the continent of Africa. So you sir or man can just stop with your school taught lies our people are starting to wake up as to what is rightfully theirs and their rightful place into our tribes here in America ... you better do your research ... the oldest bones found in the America’s are “negroid”. There is actual diaries of European settlers coming to the America’s before Columbus researching the ways of the people in the tribes and how free they were and how all different hair textures they had and how dark their skin were he said they looked like they were Ethiopians. All the Europeans know the truth that’s why they fear us and are so uncomfortable when they are around us. We are the only people that classification changed numerous times!!!! That’s a dead give away right there!!!! So there is no argument here you are dismissed. P.S. I know you mad at the truth. 🙂

[@invincibletp]

My family has a roll number, but they are listed as creek freedman. My family was allotted land from the creek nation. So why would they give land if they are not creek Indian?

[@bluebird9749]

Tyree Parker You obviously don't know Creek history. Creeks gave their freedmen land, even though they had no Creek blood in them. Isn't that nice of the Creek Indians? The U.S. government gave their freedmen, zero land.

[@gabbysariya4730]

Alexander Coffman He is Trolling Spy get Lost sheep

[@dominquesimpson61]

Freedmen are full blooded

[@blindmice3536]

Dominque Simpson no that doesn't make any sense. Why would they be called Freedmen

[@phillipdaugherty1486]

The natives made africans equal citizens to get them out of slavery in order to free them. The natives were also made slaves so they fought for both not to be slaves.

[@barsonraider5781]

My guy with the bandana was spitting them truths out like sunflower seeds.

[@charlieharjo5268]

Not really, fullbloods see him as a traitor & afrocentrist as well, which is fine if he wants to procreate with sub-saharan africans, but our tribe will protect it's bloodlines at all costs.

[@bentobench8295]

​@@charlieharjo5268 speaking truth happens regardless of other's ego & bigotry. Barson's comment still stands, who is the great MCN if it only does it's bidding at America's feet? It's been done for far too long...MCN doesn't have to keep making the same mistakes. Don't play into the shadow role they make you fit in...they said 'play by my rules & you'll be fine' & we all know where that got MCN the first time. Freedmen were never their enemy.

[@bentobench8295]

@carolstormy Did they rule their government when white people herded them up, divided up their land & counted them like cattle? That's the root of this ideation...we don't have to act otherwise.

[@bentobench8295]

@carolstormy 'nations within a nation' is an illusion given history & context. You even agree given, 'they still have 2 answer 2 the higher government...' Answering to a 'higher' government on your own land doesn't = governance. I have no more energy left to address your latter opinions. So in closing, I'll say...all people with Native blood are Native...that includes Afro-indigenous. Mvskoke peoples placated to invaders to save themselves...but have repeatedly been let down & now many tote foreign paradigms while attempting & failing to deny those that they've enslaved and worse...their kin. Be best & be blessed. Peace.

[@blackout4203]

@@charlieharjo5268 "Full Bloods" by Blood Quantum or Actual Genetics? There aren't anymore "True Pure Muscogee Creeks."

[@eyoung520]

Wayland, proud of you brother..

[@DREYDAYMAN]

Wow the last guy spoke truth. My Great (2X) grandmother is was a Freedman. That line about the flag and the stars being a scoreboard was deep.

[@js_fears_YAHUAH_only]

I wish I could hit the like button 💯 times

[@stormy-le6pb]

@@js_fears_YAHUAH_only I feel like that too sometimes

[@rockym9981]

You don't have to have French blood to be a French citizen. You don't have to have German blood to be a German citizen. So why would you have to have Creek blood to be a Creek citizen? The desire to keep black citizens out of the tribe is rooted in racism, plain and simple. (Not to mention that many freedmen actually DO have Creek blood, but it wasn't always recorded on the rolls.)

[@KA-sr5jy]

Exactly. Sovereignty shouldn’t be based on blood. Their nation made a sovereign choice to enslave Black people. They need to live with the consequences.

[@sexyndacityable]

Bingo. This land is made by god

[@rockym9981]

@Lynk Del Toro The people who owned the slaves have a responsibility to follow through with promises

[@thebardisashieldmaiden1754]

I am a white woman and I just found my Friedman slave ancestors on the dawes roll

[@ladiosamorenagodinez2669]

If a British person lived with an African tribe spoke the language and was raised in the tribe with zero Africa blood. Should they have the rights of the African tribe? I don't think it's rooted in racism.

[@MegaAli213]

The tribes that sided with the South we're especially punished as we all know. The reconstruction acts made all federally recognized tribes [Christianized Civilized Nation's] corporation's and under federal law. This why they don't actually have true sovereignty, as a country does , for example Mexico or China??? The Dawes rolls were created and instituted for the purposes of Indian reclassification Not actual Bloodline and Birthright Heritage. The copper colored brownish Aboriginal People's we're Not from the same Historical lineages as the mostly western Asiatic Clovis People's who arrived around 13,000 years ago about 40,000 years after the the First people's had arrived by sea faring. The two People's mixed over thousands of years and created the innumerable variations seen today. Their allowing the European Colonial invading Occupiers tell them who they are because they didn't have an educational system and was forcibly educated by their anscestors murderers. It's a dam pathetic shame that their falling for this "Divide and Conquer Physchotic Scheme" for the worthless Fiat currency issued as [Legal Tender]. The last brother is correct, and I'm sure hated by the haters within. Their biggest problem is what will they do with their Slave master's policies when Americas is a majority "Brown Color" Nation Not White. That's within the next 50 years!!! Think about that.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

You are all Sub Saharan Africans.

[@abbalove8411]

My great grand father and his sister were on the Freedman list. Their mother was full blooded Creek, but they were put on the Freedman rolls. You have a lot of circumstances like this. Not all freedman Creeks were slaves. One of their parents was full blooded Creek. Put yourself in the shoes of a person whose ancestor had a parent who was full blooded Creek and they were still put on the Freedman rolls because they had dark skin. My great grandfather received money from the tribe until they changed in the 70’s. Things will change for ALL citizens.

[@thebardisashieldmaiden1754]

I just found one of my ancestors and her 1 month old baby on the Freedman list as well

[@louisesmithkerr]

@@stormy-le6pb Do you believe in misclassification based on one's own perception?

[@bobbymack120]

13,000 years verse 300,000. We was here before y'all. That's why the feds act funny on you. We are for real ancient.

[@stormy-le6pb]

@@bobbymack120 There is zero evidence of any ppl thats been here for 300,000 yrs, Stop thinking UR a slick dude 🤣🤣🤣🤣the oldest DNA is 13,000 yrs old & they belong 2 N.A.s thats why Scientists say N.A. are 1st Americans, nitwit. UR L1, L2 haplgroups prove U originate N Africa from Sub Saharan Nigerian, Congo, Igboo African of Negroid category

[@REDROADWARRIOR602]

Somebody lied to you ..your a DESENDENT OF SLAVES stop your self hate

[@cbenji07]

Freedmen were Muscogee by blood thats why 1866 treaty gave them equal rights as citizens.

[@blindmice3536]

2016stormy I don't understand why we want to be associated with racist who enslaved us?

[@StevenOsburnHollywood]

Wrong. Some of them had Creek blood, but not all. The Treaty gave them the same rights as native tribal members. Same fir Delawares and Shawnees. Shawnees seperated from Cherokee Nation when they got tired of being pushed around.

[@cathy-70]

Not unless they had children with a tribal member. Then that child or children are Creek. If you were born African and did not reproduce- have children with tribal members, while living with the tribe You are not Creek.

[@gawdzuniqorn7269]

​@@stormy-le6pb the government also forced them to walk the trail of tears. Ur reasons for defending these matters are definitely rooted in racism. I don't care what tribe you're from

[@gawdzuniqorn7269]

​​@@stormy-le6pb believe half of what u hear and none of what u see. the bond started when Creeks adopted and owned African workers into the tribe. Benefitted from them. And then disposed of them when it was convenient...allowing more euro bred natives to dominate with their racist ideologies. There are too many parallels between how you're speaking and the European frame of thought. I highly doubt native ancestors held this much racism in old times...given the vast majority of afro indigenous history and blood. ur delusional and racist af.

[@bcherie229]

Please speak upon our entire creek history. Him speaking of the history of creek nation treatys and only a "handful" signed... did not mention how Cow Tom a slave of creek nation was the only one who fluently spoke 5 languages 4 of them being native tounges. The chief at the time refused to learn the white mans tounge. So My gr gr grandfather was a key instrument into bartering and pleaing on the behalf of all creeks to be included in the 1866 treaty. From 1866 to 1979 blacks and former slaves of creek were a part of the nation per the treaty we, creeks, signed with the us government for EVERYTHING creeks have today. Then for some reason. CREEKS decided that they were going to place value in blood, like the whites like willie lynch, and decided to disenroll thousands of people who were "freedmen" . I would love to have an interview with you guys as well and why i feel my family should be retroactively re enrolled in the tribe.

[@MvskokeMedia]

Absolutely, email us at [e-mail] so that we can schedule a time to interview you!

[@MvskokeMedia]

As a clarification, currently, there is not a minimum blood quantum in order to be a Muscogee (Creek) citizen. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation bases its citizenship off of those listed as Muscogee (Creek) by blood in the Dawes Rolls.

[@MvskokeMedia]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ6bhaWtqs2Eptk Here is a quick explainer video that shows the relevant sections of the MCN constitution. This video details what is required for MCN citizenship.

[@chrisconnors9449]

blue bird 😂😂😂😂.... welp... there goes that....

[@chrisconnors9449]

blue bird but yet there’s 80+% caucasians holding positions on high office..... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😂😂

[@patricialafayette9377]

It is very clear after watching this that many tribal citizens have studied very limited American and Indian history outside of what they learned in schools and perhaps public discourse with folks who like themselves know only what was taught through schools. I am Mvskoke Creek I have relatives listed on the 1832 Henderson Roll & the 1906 Dawes Roll.... My family has maintained attachment to Creek lands in Alabama since the 1800's and many are still there today in 2019. As much as I do not relish the idea of another civil rights fight with anyone I do feel as if I owe it to my ancestors to return our blood and bone back to our rightful Nation whether they want me to be recognized or not. I don't have to live there among them where I am not wanted but I will have my day. They will listen and they will learn what has really happened to their people that did not walk the Trail of Tears.

[@cheleftb]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@BraveHawk334]

@@stormy-le6pb DNA for ancestry lies everyday

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

Most Native People don't want Blacks or Whites bringing their ethnocentrism into our Nations, is that too difficult for you all to understand?

[@gormot9178]

Help me can ? , creek decendant!

[@tippy550storm]

@@BraveHawk334 No DNA don't lie, You don't watch enough programs of the many people that were helped by DNA results. DNA don't lie its 99.99% correct, Its people that lie.

[@walthowallacewesley3854]

Somebody forgot about Canadian, Arkansas, and Northfork colored towns. Who had representation in both houses of the council. The 1866 treaty the people who went with the south were not included.

[@llowwdowwnnwilliams6964]

It's funny how my ancestors came from Wales England and they're on a Dawes rolls as Indians but I also recognize that the freedmen were the true Indians that the Europeans married into. We need to get it right.

[@shunthatdude2773]

@@stormy-le6pb The companies do

[@charlieharjo5268]

So there's a big ass conspiracy against blacks ? So dna companies (which employs all types of races including blacks) are going to "make up" test results just to spite you huh ? Hahaha...!!!

[@boxingwiththedon7401]

Charlie Harjo no, the DNA companies just admit themselves that the accuracy is 0.01% . Boiling down to a guess. Before you deny the truth go and look for yourself.

[@thebardisashieldmaiden1754]

Freedman were slaves

[@BRKS627]

​@@charlieharjo5268 true they have biracial people in this video

[@nuqmantehutiel1629]

They keep talking about blood, what blood type are they talking about. Unless he and the rest of these INDIANS are O blood type he and they are not true Native or the original People of North America. He is a progeny between the White pale faces and the Native original woman, the the white man named Indians. There were no Indians before the white man came to our shores. They became Citizens of the U.S. when in 1924 under the Indian Citizen Act. That means that the U.S. has juristiction over these nations. They are not the original copper, brown and dark Nations that were here before the pale faces came. Everything that he was talking about was created and controlled by whites. Our original copper, brown and dark nations, looked like the people who they called africans, or freedmen thousands of years before the pale faces came and divided and conquered us. The dawes act was enacted in the 1900, by white people, our nations have been here for hundreds of thousand of years. The white Indians were put on these roll, and the copper, brown and dark natives were called Negros. They talk about the trail of tears, but we live in different places like Alabama, Mississippi, Fl, etc. The last cat was on point. www.linkedin.com/pulse/native-american-blood-type-traits-only-originated-norman-mccreary/

[@brooklynlady326]

Exactly.....

[@StevenOsburnHollywood]

I'm not black and my blood is O positive. All full bloods have O positive. There's your answer.

[@blindmice3536]

Nuqman El that makes no damn sense. We were brought here to be slaves. We are not indigenous. We have risen to heights that can't be matched by any minority group in the Americas. You disrespect our black African ancestors struggle in this country and in this hemisphere. They will never accept their former slaves as a part of them and even though that's discrimination I don't blame them

[@BlindMice-wq9zq]

Finally you have said something I agree with. I don’t know why black people wont sever ties with people who held their ancestors as slaves. We are not now or ever were Indians

[@StevenOsburnHollywood]

@@stormy-le6pb The 5 Civilized Tribes were called civilized because they acted like white people and took on their ways, not because they were actually civilized people. The majority of Indians didn't own slaves. It was the wealthier ones who did. I dont know of any from 500+ tribes outside these 5 that owned slaves. Back then there were thin blood Cherokees who were 1/8, 1/16 and even less Indian. They were the real First Americans. Today the majority is descendants of Indians and descendants of Freedmen. Thars why they look white. Even some Freedmen descendants have blue eyes and blonde hair.

[@peopleofonefire9643]

He was absolutely right about the tribal government. The Creeks always had a bicameral form of government. This tradition goes back long before the arrival of Spanish invaders. As for the Freedmen situation, I have two thoughts, First the Creeks in their homeland in Georgia had no concept of race, only nationality. The High King back in the late 1500s and 1600s, invited people from Europe to settle in their lands, with the provision that they marry a Native wife or husband. Then in 1776, my gggg-grandfather Mikko Talassee Corn invited white families of good character to settle in our towns, but encouraged their offspring to intermarry with the Creeks. This was to keep British Redcoats and American Patriots from attack Creek towns and farms. The mixed-blood children were taller, stronger and healthier than either of their parents. They survived European plagues much better than the fullblood Natives, The end result was a hybrid people. Your so-called pure bloods in Oklahoma are not full-blooded American Indians. Many Freedmen have more Native American DNA in them that the majority of officials within the MCN bureaucracy.

[@YaYa_1435]

Bingo

[@stormy-le6pb]

@peopleonfire9643 A DNA test on freedmen showed 6% had Indian ancestry, so majority of freedmen had zero Indian ancestry which means UR theory that many freedmen have more N.A. DNA N them than majority of officials N MCN is totally wrong. Remember Creek nation made it against the law 2 marry slaves but some Creeks did have 6% of African babies

[@tippy550storm]

I don't think it matters if the majority of officials within the MCN bureaucrary don't have much Creek ancestry, just that they do have some Creek ancestry.

[@samuelcotton6271]

Seems to be such a touchy subject to our Mvskoke tribe..my number doesn't define anything about me..I have to say the third interview is one cool brother, he speaks with an honest tongue!

[@tippy550storm]

They all speak with an honest tongue

[@jiggaman1674]

The last guy is a real one!!he speaking all facts

[@yahya4370]

I like the second brother that spoke! My great grands didn’t bother with the rolls. They sure didn’t stop being native for lack of card. Who can certify who you are?

[@ichabodacrane4331]

@@stormy-le6pb so a piece of damn paper determines if you are creek or not? What about blood? You do know some of those records from back then are inaccurate?

[@yahya4370]

The people on the rolls stand in line for benefits, so I’m not sure who you are talking about.

[@yahya4370]

There are plenty of white people on the rolls. What ever Black people that were removed from the rolls have every right to fight for inclusion. What ever Black ppl that know they are native and need assistance in proving such should not meet roadblocks from BIA in gaining access to information. It’s no ones right to impede someone’s heritage based on phenotype. All the blonde haired blue eyed natives are never accused of wanting handouts. Smh

[@yahya4370]

White/native mixture happened often?? Lol ok you can have any opinion you like since it’s clear you are racist. You can’t tell people what their heritage is based off of the rolls stop it. Have a great day!!

[@tippy550storm]

@@yahya4370 I knew a lot of Creeks that grumble about this very subject, so I can tell you're a A.A. that don't associate with any Creek Indians. They would grumble about A.A. that are wanting handouts too, like they do with the whites, except that the white ones are related to them.

[@phillipboone2005]

As a descendant of a Muskogee woman a freedman who bore children for a full blood. You think I want citizenship so I can take your land or any benefits. I dont need the government cheese or the casino revenue. I want the history books to reflect the truth and for the descendants of the Muskogee people to realize who they are. You would then realize we number in the millions And if we take a pice of land back its not going to be Oklahoma. We want Georgia, Alabama, northern Florida and we are not playing around we want and deserve sovereignty. Thats our rightful reperations.

[@LuckeyGetsFit]

Say that!

[@PMO_only]

Facts

[@Andrea-pm3dy]

It should always be by Blood

[@dominquesimpson61]

American copper colored race here before Europeans arrived!!!

[@charlieharjo5268]

Evidence

[@BRKS627]

True copper color race was here first

[@tippy550storm]

@@BRKS627 Go learn your true Nigerian langauge

[@tippy550storm]

No DNA evidence of African ever here before 1621.

[@vladimarervin5083]

We don't have to go back that far at all my grandmother was born in 1909 I'm sure yours is younger than that and you guys are benefiting from the treaty signed right now

[@IndigoCherokee]

This part my grandmother's both sides were born 1914 wtf my mother's just got her card mailed in from Cherokee Nation two weeks ago she then drove right away to Oklahoma to get her id made also. We are full blood I Cherokee my father is full blood Choctaw. I also did DNA test which showed North American Indian ancestry

[@dominquesimpson61]

They not even full bloods

[@cathy-70]

Fullbloods hold positions in our tribal government or no less than a 1/4. It is a feat in its self to keep bloodlines Fullblood but we have members that have done it. No marrying or child bearing outside the tribe to keep that bloodline high. Most of us are way way under 1/4 due to Greatgrannys and Grandads marrying outside the tribe or mixing with other tribes. We are Creek none the less.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

95% of blacks are mixed with white and everyone else, lol. Who you calling mixed, you are all more mixed than us.

[@brooklynlady326]

These two guys are Siberians mixed with Pilgrims, they dont want to give up their money. Freedmen is just named to put the darker Indians as less than a Indian.

[@blindmice3536]

2016stormy We African descendants have a lot to brag about that has nothing to do with any damn copper skin( which is stupid by the way) these idiots don't represent proud black people. I respect Indians and have absolutely nothing against them. But I have no Idea why black or white people dont want to be who they are?

[@abbalove8411]

Thank you, My great grand father and his sister were on the Freedman list. Their mother was full blooded Creek, but they were put on the Freedman rolls. You have a lot of circumstances like this. Not all freedman Creeks were slaves. One of their parents was full blooded Creek. Put yourself in the shoes of a person whose ancestor had a parent who was full blooded Creek and they were still put on the Freedman rolls because they had dark skin. My great grandfather received money from the tribe until they changed in the 70’s. Things will change for ALL citizens.

[@BRKS627]

True I said the same thing mixed breeds in this video

[@tippy550storm]

@@BRKS627 Blacks are hypocrites. DNA proved all A.A. have on average 10-24% European DNA, so its blacks that are mix-breeds. take the toothpick out of your eye before you take the plank out of N.A. eyes.

[@dajonwilliams8374]

How far do we go back? So, we aren't to "uphold" our history, our morals, our heritage depending on 'how far back' we are going? My skin may be darker, and slightly redder than yours, but that doesn't deny that my roots are just as DEEP as yours.

[@dajonwilliams8374]

@@stormy-le6pb Actually, Cherokee. You can google my family name, NAVE. We are mixed race Freedmen.

[@dajonwilliams8374]

@@stormy-le6pb Doesn't matter. We are all Native

[@dajonwilliams8374]

@@stormy-le6pb Yes. Moreover, I have my families original Freedmen Applications.

[@dajonwilliams8374]

@@stormy-le6pb To prove I was Cherokee, I had to dig up the dawes numbers, and death certificates of my loved ones. Also, I have to prove that my Nave is of the mixed raced Naves whom were not challenged on their freedmen apps through more death certificates and birth certificates which was not a cheap task.

[@dajonwilliams8374]

@Lynk Del Toro That is true, but, my family is documented as Mixed dating back to 1904. Its FACTs. You can google the NAVE family today, and get educated.

[@octavionmiddlebrooks167]

The one man in the end was I agree 💯 percent with America treat you better than your own damn that sickens me

[@charlieharjo5268]

What the hell kind of language was that ?

[@brandyfrye-kaler1117]

We can’t gripe about the US not upholding treaties and we do the exact same.

[@flamesvision7255]

The last gentleman was spot on.

[@DeweyHorse]

Money is just Green paper with a white man I don't know. It's just Green paper that us natives never needed to live

[@applebottomjeans333]

It doesn’t matter if not all creek owned slaves. If those slaves were owned by creek and even were dragged along the trail of tears with the creek then you owe those descendants citizenship. Sincerely, a black Muskogee by blood and freedmen

[@charlieharjo5268]

Sorry, tribes don't owe anybody a thing, what happened back then is old history & things change, just because african americans want to take our culture doesn't mean we must let them into our tribe, we are just protecting our bloodlines, if you can prove you are related to somebody on the dawes roll, then you are welcome, prove it by dna, or just quit trying..

[@MinisterStretch]

Period

[@pamelahall4625]

i need someone to check history

[@charlieharjo5268]

You black... Sub-saharan african descent.

[@itsvictorywinning3475]

We coming back for what's OURS!!!! THE MOST HIGH(GREAT SPIRIT) WILL FIGHT FOR US! 🔥🔥🙏🏽

[@tippy550storm]

No the Most High will be fair to both sides,.

[@AP-pk6mk]

I respect you Wayland! Nothing but facts. Does he have social media?

[@js_fears_YAHUAH_only]

Wayland seems very intelligent and connected with his ancestors for real!

[@elroyjetson6380]

"Is it the cheese....!?"😂😂😂😂

[@paymulaoscandy]

😂😂 I thinking Philippines

[@stormy-le6pb]

yep it is that cheese

[@cheleftb]

Thanks Wayland bless you

[@rcaldwell56]

THE LAST GUY SPEAKING ON THIS VIDEO, HE'S MY COUSIN, NOT BY BLOOD, BUT BUY COMMON SENSE, I'M A BLACK MAN, AND I APPROVE HIS MESSAGE!😉👍

[@10INCHCRUSHER]

This guy listened to the elders that kept it real.

[@vladimarervin5083]

He wouldn't be getting any of the benefits that he gets right now if it wasn't for the treaty signed in 1866

[@vladimarervin5083]

Are you have to do is check the ledgers in Arkansas at the fort when all the Creeks started showing up with their property and slaves all that stuff documented that's how I found out all the information that I have

[@stormy-le6pb]

@@vladimarervin5083 The Chickasaw refused to let Freedmen B citizens of their tribe, & the government reprimanded them for it, & I would think, it would have turned out the same way if the other 4 tribes refused 2 let freedmen be slaves too, like the Chickasaws did.

[@mikeaskme3530]

One question for this young man, if its by a quarter blood who has tested this man's blood? he looks Mexican to me, some one should test his blood.

[@MvskokeMedia]

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[@kschindle1]

what does a stereotypical mexican look like, what does a stereotypical Muskogee look like. @Mike, your statement is racist.

[@StevenOsburnHollywood]

He looks Creek. I grew up in Tulsa with Creeks, but he's wrong. I am Delaware and we were also adopted with the Shawnees, Freedmen and Creek Natchez.

[@phillipdaugherty1486]

Mexican Myans speak same language as Creeks

[@annascott2676]

He's not Mexican he's Indian.

[@dejahshauntic5365]

You know what amazes me is that even the tribe forgets who came here and separated us smh 😤 when I hear members saying these things it makes me think that they're happy about everything "America" has done Christopher Columbus wanted it just like this 😔 smh

[@Reecesavage-Alwayswin]

@@stormy-le6pb That's not true. Aboriginals dark skin copper colored people were here first. Also thousands of colored Indians were exported out of America back in the early 1600s and late 1800s. The Indians as you know them today were from Asia unfortunately. The African Americans ethnicity was changed and reclassified almost 10 different times. The census and Jim crow forces blacks to classify as colored, malotto, negro, black, and in the 90s African American they didn't ask for that ethnicity. The transatlantic slave trade has no specific documents nor realistic research that make sense about the voyage from Africa to Virginia. The slaves ships they speak of supposedly made a voyage that military ships have trouble surviving today.

[@stormy-le6pb]

Reece Savage Unfortunately this is about Freedmen suing the Muskogee nation, not about A.A.s ethnicity being changed or Jim Crow forcing blacks 2 B reclassified or the Atlantic slave trade, slave ships, or Aboriginals being dark colored.

[@d.d.sarason8749]

This is ridiculous. Military ships have no problem traveling the Atlantic Ocean. We chose the Name African American ourselves and it long before the 90s. Originally it was 1780. We also demanded to be called black by our civil rights leaders. Our ancestors were enslaved by the Creek and that’s why they should be allowed to enroll in the tribe. We are not indigenous, that’s nonsense. We are the descendants of west and Central African people . Some were enslaved by indigenous people and in this case, Creek

[@stormy-le6pb]

@@d.d.sarason8749 Creeks are their own nations & black freedmen are not creek so can't B enrolled Creeks. They can B citizens of the U.S. though. The only way a black man can B a Creek citizen is if they have a Creek ancestor.

[@stormy-le6pb]

@@d.d.sarason8749 slaves of the white man didn't receive anything at all that they were promised, but the slaves of the 5 tribes did get repatriations, each man, woman, child & infant 160 acres of land, so the 5 tribes R all paid up & owe absolutely nothing 2 the freedmen. The 5 tribes lost all of their lands & their slaves, so the freedmen R free 2 live the American dream as any U.S. citizen, but they can't become Indians when they have zero Indian blood.

[@josephseraile6698]

If I was a Cherokee Freedman, I would start my own indigenous tribe and have many children.

[@blindmice3536]

Joseph Seraile that makes sense. Just move along from people who will never respect you and what their people did to your people. Just create your own separate group

[@blindmice3536]

2016stormy you have a lot of hate for black people. That person said nothing hateful, but you sure did

[@blindmice3536]

2016stormy you being part doesn't change the fact that he didn't say anything disrespectful and you did. People start their own group all the damn time. This country started by people making their own group brilliant. You will never hear me say black people are Indians. I don't know why they would want to be

[@blindmice3536]

2016stormy there's no such thing as a heaven, or hell for that matter. There were African people that were enslaved by Indians. And they were treated as animals by them. Me personally I would not allow someone to call me Indian if I was enslaved by their ancestors . But the Freedmen would not exist if it wasn't for the sin of greed that their masters were committing right? And by going against the laws of God and the US government the Indians should go to hell right ?

[@blindmice3536]

I am very happy to be an African American. See no coveting. So book me a flight to heaven!

[@youngstunna323]

I disliked it until I heard the last brotha.

[@octavionmiddlebrooks167]

If you look at the original Creek Muskogee people these are darker color they are copper colored I don't understand where these white people claiming to be Indian because they got a proof of citizenship..

[@charlieharjo5268]

It's called dna... Science, evidence, you have to prove you are related to the bloodlines of people on the dawes roll, even fullbloods have to do this.

[@bluebird9749]

I'm not Creek, but I know many Creeks and many are Christians. I'm sure the Christian Creeks will be praying and putting this matter in the hands of God & He will work it out good for both the Freedmen and Creek Nation. Many people don't know the word of God & from reading Acts 17:27 we see that God is who guided Native Americans to this continent and Africans to the African continent. Read Acts 17:27 ("From one man He made every nation of men, to inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands. God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.")

[@lasha4585]

The entire world was first populated by God with "Black" Melanated people. In fact, America has older human skeletons found here which pre-date those found in Africa by hundreds of thousands of years.

[@blindmice3536]

LaSha that's pure BS

[@BraveHawk334]

@@lasha4585 All Facts!

[@charlieharjo5268]

If everybody was black melanted people originally, how did our hair straighten out & not be nappy ? How did our noses not be so wide ? That's just dumb, take a dna test..

[@charlieharjo5268]

Evidence

[@JUJU-nl4xh]

Wayland knows whats really goin on

[@roniseawright7300]

Preach wayland

[@aaron4wilkins]

Muscogee Creek Nation is allowed to give hiring preference to people who are Muscogee Creek members over other people , for instance someone who might be of solely Euro American ancestry, with out being sued for Racial Discrimination because the Muscogee Creek Nation is a political entity not a race. I mean that as a question

[@cathy-70]

They do look at applications for Tribal affiliation but that does not guarantee they will hire a tribe member over a more qualified person outside the tribe. I know lots of races- None tribal persons working for Muscogee Creek Nation.

[@Hehewuti71]

I notice he said some “Freedmen” may be by blood but that was over 100 some odd years ago. Why does he dismiss that for those people but uphold his as well as the European’s that paid 5$, adoptions etc. my 3rd great grandmother was separated from her family. Many of the 5 civilized tribes are complicit. I have blood ties to 4/5

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

More whites with little or no tribal ancestry were disenrolled after the by blood reform was implemented during the 1970's ad 1980's, those who could not present proof of lineage were disenrolled, this including adoptive whites, Mexican and Black folk. Descendants from extinct Tribes who were adopted, were also disenrolled from tribes. It's those who can prove lineal descent to any of the Five Tribes of Oklahoma. It's not based on race or skin color. The problem with many in Black America community, many of them want to force themselves on to us, or scream about some racist Native Tribes they manifest in their own minds.

[@LuckeyGetsFit]

Exactly. The first guy was very hypocritical in that regards. If they had blood 100 years ago, just kick them out now, but it's okay for him? He even talked about him himself being kicked off another roll in Alabama and being added to the Creek roll in Oklahoma and now he wants to fight to keep people out.

[@Hehewuti71]

@@Thomas_Oklahoma please stop it many of us have the documentation that proves our lineage my specific lineage one of them is that of chief John Ross, I from the Ross family. But that’s just one. my bloodline doesn’t change

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

@@Hehewuti71 If you, can prove your lineage and want to be a part of the community while respecting the culture and history of the Tribe, you're welcome to enroll and engage. My point is that all this manufactured anti-black attacks on Native America is blown out of proportion.

[@gagelala6704]

last gentleman is speaking big facts.

[@travelingva]

He is mixing issues .. The treatment of freedman and tribal sovereignty are not the same issue.

[@vladimarervin5083]

Atonement is what the tribe owes the people they enslaved . The creek elder's Bit the European Apple and here we go, and he never even mentioned the yamasee in the creation of the creeks and the 1700s after the war's 1715 17:26 is around the time they came up with the name for this tribe

[@REDROADWARRIOR602]

Yup keep it BLOODLINE

[@BRKS627]

Some so black people weren't call Africans they were Indians with tribal names. The freedmen was for so call black people

[@tippy550storm]

Blacks lie so much, don't you feel guilty?

[@onlyjewell12daysintro19]

I respect the sentiment of the MCN Citizen. The treaty is not a bilateral document as believed by this MCN Citizen; it is a treaty dominated by the U.S. government to solve the Freedmen problem. The Indians present were mostly witnesses, not equally positioned with the gov't. The gov't implicitly states the rights of the Freedmen - "Freedmen have the same rights as the full-bloods." Justice delayed is justice denied. 140-plus years delayed? Go figure.

[@joanlong4183]

Waylon nailed it!

[@sherylmartin4379]

For some reason some people don't understand there were many tribes of different colors and black included! People can be so closed minded! You have black Hispanics, people from India, China, and the list goes on an on! Many Mexican people are American Indians! The Spanish explorers from Spain ( fair skinned people ) mixed in with a lot of Indian tribes! Give me a break and so did Asian explorers! Anglo Saxons, some are about control and if one doesn't know who they are...they are lost!

[@charlieharjo5268]

How does a tribe become black ? They can't it's all sub-saharan african dna.

[@sexyndacityable]

@@charlieharjo5268 blacks here don’t have 100% African dna. If all humanity started in africa everyone is. This is fueled by racism it is all it is because the reasoning is dumb and when natives get mistreated they get mad at blacks and everyone else because no one speaks up against native injustices.

[@Thomas_Oklahoma]

@@sexyndacityable screaming racism isn't going to make you Indigenous American, lmfao

[@okaygee4132]

This comment section proves just how hated black skin is. People that will use any excuse to reject blacks. I'm thankfully not in this fight, but I would hope that I'd have the strength to let The Most High handle it. The contributions of black and mixed people to the tribe cannot be erased even if their status in the tribe was.

[@okaygee4132]

@@stormy-le6pb Search yourself. Lest you be judged. If you have The Most High's truth why fear that a liar would take anything?

[@okaygee4132]

@@stormy-le6pb You do not have the right to say what " blacks" need to do. Again, judge yourself. Take the beam from your own eye before you try to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.

[@okaygee4132]

@@stormy-le6pb You know all about sin. Yet, you call your pride and hate righteous? How do you justify yourself and call an entire race of people sinful? By being hypocritical! Again, judge yourself! Don't trouble yourself trying to convince me your self-righteous ways are to save me from hell. Work out your own soul's salvation.

[@Opinionsin3dd]

You need to learn the truth, I can't stand these fakes!

[@ExoticalSauce]

@@stormy-le6pb Why insult all blacks just because you disagree with one?? So who is the real racist? Idk why blacks would want to belong to a native tribe anyway when we are not wanted there.

[@patriciaholt9227]

Great speech gray. Amen preach. Car tags of different nation watch who gets out. Go back to blood .waylon hit that nail .

[@otech88]

Exactly blonde hair and blue eyes.

[@kaytline7413]

My great-grandmother is a granddaughter down the line of Paro Bruner and her whole life she was always told she was Native American and it was in the last ten something years she found out what the real history was and that we are in fact not. I see both sides and have no real say in this matter and couldn’t agree with the last guy more. I am more interested in the history and information on what the role our ancestor had in the creek freedmen nation. I am still learning and reading on this but some of the information found lists him as the first of the creek freedmen and played a big role in their community. I have been blessed to have still have my great grandmother with me to get some first hand insight into what she was told growing up but it’s hard to verify some things as it’s from just word of mouth and memories that can’t always be 100% accurate

[@Melungeonpeople]

Research Lukas Vischer. He noted that the Creeks were Black, White and Red and drew pictures of us. Our history is completely wrong.

[@CrowdPleeza]

Just curious. Why is it a big thing for these Freedmen to be citizens in tribes that had enslaved their ancestors?

[@MvskokeMedia]

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[@abbalove8411]

My great grand father and his sister were on the Freedman list. Their mother was full blooded Creek, but they were put on the Freedman rolls. You have a lot of circumstances like this. Not all freedman Creeks were slaves. One of their parents was full blooded Creek. Put yourself in the shoes of a person whose ancestor had a parent who was full blooded Creek and they were still put on the Freedman rolls because they had dark skin. My great grandfather received money from the tribe until they changed in the 70’s. Things will change for ALL citizens.

[@krissalkond]

Mixed white - yes Mixed black - no ??

[@YaYa_1435]

Wayland, thank you brother!

[@virginiaeasterling4347]

My ancestors were buried in Quincys Cemetary in Coosa County in Abama on. Redlines Road. They were Blackmons and Blackenships

[@annamcmanus4497]

Wayland Gray's outlook is super refreshing! I wish somebody would have recognized the racial reclassification that went on for years on rolls, vital records, and census. They recognize that some people are mixed but don't account for all the descendants of the ancient Mayan, Olmec, and many more tribes that showcased many dark skinned peoples that had their rights stripped because somebody reclassified their race. I don't think they see it yet. I know that as more and more people do their trees and find ways of proving their ancestry, real people like Wayland will wake up to the truth of the actual divide and conquer that has took place in this country. It is just like Wayland said. People are very much brainwashed and clouded with greed.

[@xXGuitarNinjaXx]

"Look how dark their skin and curly their hair is. They obviously don't share my ancestors." is basically what I hear from oppositions to the enrollment of freedmen. The black indians and the white indians are all mixed indians. Y'all know black and white are statuses and colors? And not races in the American context? I don't think aaall freedmen should be enrolled, but I'm pretty sure most have blood ties since dark-skinned indians got reclassified as negro because of limited census options.

[@xXGuitarNinjaXx]

@carolstormy Us diasporan indians have no choice but to self-identify to back up our papers and bloodline in general. I hope the black bloodline and white bloodline members can get along. The Asian bloodline members are having tough times on the Rez, they are in my meditations.

[@xXGuitarNinjaXx]

@carolstormy I was posing an American Indian 1776 scenario. Didn't mean to get too revolutionary for you. But don't be surprised if it all becomes compromised to the point of meaningless. Then the real Indians will continue to live as so, and others will learn.

[@xXGuitarNinjaXx]

@carolstormy Don't overlook the federally unrecognized tribes who were once recognized, not just the "black" ones, there are others. We'll unite through the Great Spirit somehow.

[@xXGuitarNinjaXx]

@carolstormy I didn't say that. Bye.

[@virginiaeasterling4347]

I have been voting in my community for over 10 years in. Other name that were not correct on my drivers licenses

[@DeV_D22]

The first 2 are the same ones who sold us out!!! REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE!!!

[@tonimarie9985]

I had to go by the daws roll to get several numbers but most of my people date back to 1750' as Chiefs. And have no number. I am of Hope Hull Tiger Tignor. I was told by Indigenous Americans what I was before knowing😢

[@DeweyHorse]

I don't like having a role number like a dog

[@soonersciencenerd383]

Absolutely. By Creek blood only.

[@alexandercoffman8319]

You mean White Creek Indians, don't you? Will you just finally admit it Please?

[@soonersciencenerd383]

@@alexandercoffman8319 blood test to show blood quantum, ethnicity aside.

[@abbalove8411]

My great grand father and his sister were on the Freedman list. Their mother was full blooded Creek, but they were put on the Freedman rolls. You have a lot of circumstances like this. Not all freedman Creeks were slaves. One of their parents was full blooded Creek. Put yourself in the shoes of a person whose ancestor had a parent who was full blooded Creek and they were still put on the Freedman rolls because they had dark skin. My great grandfather received money from the tribe until they changed in the 70’s. Things will change for ALL citizens.

[@soonersciencenerd383]

@@abbalove8411 i receive the ability to vote on issues like this, to clear up problems later on. one citizen, one vote.

[@leonceboudreauxwolf]

I watched and listened and there was some very good points on the side of blood quantum, whether how much, if any , shows up as Native blood (dna ?), as far as blood quantum/dna, shouldn't that scientifically prove those two points, or disprove ? Dna, however, doesn't show which tribe you originated with though, so I'm guessing that's where the paper trail might add a little credence to it all too ? The last guy with the bandana also had some good insights too though and brought up the problems with blood quantum. I know of Tribal members today that have grandchildren who don't meet the blood quantum because through outside intermarriage , the blood quantum wasn't enough for her grandkids to qualify. Their families live on the Rez, they go to the Tribal school, attend the functions, know the history, some learning the language, not good enough. I read a book by a Mohawk author in NY State back around the very early 2000's addressing the bq problem and that the tribes were going to have to deal with a solution quickly before it became the controversy it is today. No one wanted to hear it, it was only starting then so not many families in that area really took it serious enough to even discuss it. So, here we are today.

[@prettyblaccone]

As we should be recognized as citizens..

[@prettyblaccone]

And there is a lot of racism within the record keeping.. Mainly missing info. Illegible info.. to keep black Indians from tracking their ancestry..

[@YaYa_1435]

Freedmen creeks won today

[@prettyblaccone]

This first dude sound irregular. The second guy sounds educated and humble.

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[@bcherie229]

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[@soonersciencenerd383]

by blood, not ink.

[@uwohiyuhi-achoogi456]

I'm cwy and I do have to prove I'm Cherokee by blood , but nowadays our stomp grounds are all different colors but one culture ,I seen a mixed blood black lead stomp and I danced

[@DeweyHorse]

IM Kiowa!....and we have NO president. I'm the man who is known as Horse

[@boxingwiththedon7401]

I like the third guy who spoke

[@charlieharjo5268]

The first 2 are correct though.

[@boxingwiththedon7401]

Charlie Harjo no not necessarily.

[@boxingwiththedon7401]

He’s right about the us not abiding by the treaties, but that the freedman are and always have been indigenous Americans. You can’t become a citizen if you don’t have some actual proof of ancestry and they obviously do. So if your gonna speak, speak truth!

[@boxingwiththedon7401]

@carolstormy you sound ridiculous, they wouldn’t be considered freedman if they couldn’t prove it. Stop with the foolish ignorance.

[@firstnationfall5451]

The second young man looks like he has black ancestors. He is assuming about others history. Stop thinkinkg everyone is trying to take something away from you.

[@Topicsorare]

Blood type O. Question how could we know the culture if we were banned?

[@Topicsorare]

@carolstormy Its confirmed within my genealogy but ok

[@Topicsorare]

I recently found out. Take care

[@stephaniesmith91ss]

I agree. It should be by blood. Freedman have so much for them anyways. They have their own colleges. They have their own TV channels. They have so much already compared to any other race. Why take from what little the natives get when we lost everything? If we don't go off blood quantum then at that rate we should be able to let anyone into the tribe.

[@emitabaulenu]

Sounds mighty white of you. The tribes have an obligation to honor the treaties and give the freedmen citizenship. Check your anti-Blackness.

[@stephaniesmith91ss]

@@emitabaulenu it's not "white" of me. I'm speaking truth and apparently have hurt your feelings. They are called freedman bc they were freed people who choose to live among side natives as a safe haven. You look pretty stupid at the moment to be coming forward with a statement like that when all I did was say the truth.

[@ChildwandaJackson-ho4wb]

I totally agree with the last guy

[@CrowdPleeza]

Are people taking DNA test to determine citizenship?

[@AudraBurgess]

No.

[@bentobench8295]

I have.

[@matthewthomas2581]

Quit with the blood quantums. It's about culture. If your Tsalagi, Creek, or anything else, you know what you are. We are all one race, we are the human race. Quit being so damn decisive. The details will get worked out one way or the other. Relax, know ones going to steal your rez money or citizenship. Its gonna be okay folks.

[@cathy-70]

I'm a Tribal member of the Creek Nation, I dont get any money. We dont have a reservation. Our lands have boundries but anyone can live within our boundries. I'm not sure what Freedmen think they will get to be a Tribal Member but it sure ain't money. We can see a doctor and get meds if we dont have insurance. We have a food distribution center if your income is below a certain amount monthly. I'm not positive but I think you might do better to be just plain ole African.

[@courtneyanne9029]

I think its about the birthright. Had the tribe acknowledged us as citizens, we could have carried on tribal traditions. They’re lost now and many of us would like to reconnect and be acknowledged within the tribe

[@gawdzuniqorn7269]

​@@cathy-70 that last sentence was racist

[@gawdzuniqorn7269]

​@@courtneyanne9029 they know that because it's the same reason they are pressing so hard to keep others out...so that they could have the things others can't have..even if it's their own ppl

[@erinwilliams57]

Lying of course!

[@leewilly7068]

Yall are Mongolians not indigenous. Your not copper colored

[@cemeterrihaynes4435]

I just found out through a DNA test that I’m Cherokee. (Among other Native tribes as well). AND one branch were Freedmen. It was my saving grace in a DNA nightmare. It’s the one piece of my history that I was very excited about and proud of. THIS is how you all act?? Even more racist than those outside of the Native Tribes. I did not think that was possible. I may need to rethink this part of my history and just hide it like a dirty secret. Wow. I feel sick. So disappointed.

[@cathy-70]

Congrats Terri on getting conformation by DNA it's very difficult to even get Native DNA to even register. I'm sorry about all the negativity. Higher degrees of bloodlines are very protective about their hertiage. It requires much to keep your bloodlines Fullblood, just two marriages outside your tribe can alter the blood quantum and takes generations to get it back to fullblood.

[@sallywillett7806]

The National Congress of American Indian's Genome Project and other expert sources state that DNA tests are not at this stage of science able to identify the tribe or tribes with the percentage of Native American ancestry shown by commercial testing.

[@rudedan1621]

No need to worry much longer my freedman brothers and sisters who are really the tribe of Judah from Israel, our time of justice will come much sooner than any of our rejecters are prepared for... Rise, read, see and rejoice Israel for what TMH has instore for his people!

[@queenmitchell8657]

All of these Asians are crazy as hell

[@chiefchosen8126]

I'm Chahta from the beginning 1836 my lands and we was NEVER slaves man y'all stole my identity and lands

[@noahinson]

We did messed up stuff to the freedmen. Giving them citizenship is the only fair compensation.

[@noahinson]

@@stormy-le6pb pff ok tell that to all the freedmen that legitimately descend from creeks but werent on the dawes. It happened like that all the time. Besides, we made a promise to do this. We incorporated them into our communities then, so why not now?

[@stormy-le6pb]

@@noahinson it looks like Freedmen won the right 2 B reinstated as Creek citizens once again, so U get Ur wish. I don't think other Creeks feel the same way U do though.

[@tiehkaphloukxsburdein2012]

i have informtion that will help people understand why we are aboriginal with all respect

[@tiehkaphloukxsburdein2012]

2016stormy people lie and dna is called stupid science to by native american and they dont even go by blood them selves they have white people as the chiefs to alot of them are over them huh?

[@tiehkaphloukxsburdein2012]

Derrick Culler you dont know anything about my family unless i tell you and not only that we obvious didnt call ourselves that all of these are terms and we as individuals can decide what to name ourselves just because you was in a society that misnamed you doesnt mean your not what you say you are especially when they hid and lief about what you are like not educated not civilized not ect now we proved lost of things theybsay are simply lies sooooo after researching i found out i know more than a person who just belives what he given without question and i was told i was indian before school by my mother and father so sorry nice try after pulling up the fact we were reclassified and lied to and mistreated do think im going to call my self something that doesnt identify me as a nation or tribe everyones aboriginie of t al land mass some where i already have documentation and depictions paintings carvings notes journals ect and no we not called native americans just americans but we have tribes everything wasnjust hidden from us the government wanted us to assimilate

[@tiehkaphloukxsburdein2012]

Derrick Culler in the end your just doing your job

[@tiehkaphloukxsburdein2012]

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[@tiehkaphloukxsburdein2012]

they are family who knew who they were and lived at that time so yhey know more about themselves then you do its not like you lived at that time and aaw what they saw and we have documents anyways so nice try

[@lionelhammonds2337]

My wife who is deceased now was from Oklohoma, her dad lived in Henrietta, mom lived in Oklahoma city, Mary Little, Willie Charles Randall, they were listed as white by birth citificate, they were of the bird clan, my daughter is connected to these people, people have always mixed- mated there is no advantage by blood l'm type O.

[@lionelhammonds2337]

That last guy has white in his blood, so why is he fighting, the tribe is stronger by owning its history, The TRUTH.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@sequoiagleaves1179]

Mixed blood here!

[@charlieharjo5268]

Everybody in america is a mixed blood, white people, mexican people, black people, ect.

[@gawdzuniqorn7269]

​@@stormy-le6pb however, the majority of Americans are MIXED with European, African, Asian and NATIVE.