Group riding tips and techniques

[@MCrider]

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[@N9710A]

Great video. Best tip in this video was...”Ride your own ride!” Always “look up the road” and not just the bike ahead of you.

[@rcraven1013]

All too often followers just sit back relax and take it easy and watch what is happening to the guy in front and to his right or left as the case may be. They become lazy, complacent and apathetic. They fail to see any problems further than that distance to him and so become blind to anything else that is happening up ahead or indeed around them. They suffer fixation looking constantly on one thing only and then they are surprised when it all goes wrong and don't know what to do for the best when it all goes belly up.

[@dnlgrhm]

I always love your videos - thanks for all the effort you make on them. I always preferred riding alone for the reasons you stated but in the last six months I've started riding with a group of 3 friends. They are all about my age, mid 70's, have similar skills and prefer the same type of riding - back roads with curves where 50mph or so is comfortable. One of the guys is a genius at plotting routes that involve great roads with wonderful views and little or no traffic. We usually leave around 8:30am on Saturdays, stop for breakfast by 11am at a destination diner known to the planner and take another route to get back home by 2pm. This is pretty close to perfect.

[@MCrider]

That sounds pretty good. Sometimes I have a destination when I go on a day ride but rarely a route. It would be nice to have a route planner on hand. 😉

[@tonyg1773]

My idea of heaven: I wish there was a website to find like-minded people here in UK. Such groups exist but mostly in a manufacturer club such as Velocette or Vincent etc.

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

Yeah. Motorcycles really don't have to be very similar of the group can tolerate it. They said my motorcycle had a small bladder (dual sports come with tiny tanks) but other than that we could function well together. Honestly with how much more brutal highway riding is on a dual sport than a cruiser for example, that smaller gas tank is somewhat of a god send.

[@David_Johnson_]

Tony, try Facebook. When I got my bike, I found a group here in Perth, Western Australia who are a great bunch of cruisy people, no egos (true!) and very happy to help newbies learn and understand. It's been a brilliant way to be introduced to riding, as well as people who care about your wellbeing and everyone just wants to see the whole group have a great ride, and everyone gets home safely. We ride within speed limits (Ok, there's the odd squirt, but where appropriate, not dodging through traffic), and the group stays as a group. Been very happy to find them. Start with the style of bike you have and search groups with that style in their name. I'd be hugely surprised if there aren't lots of groups close enough to you to be able to have a look at them.

[@Scotch65Leo]

Kevin, I am going on my first group ride on Sunday morning, so I just watched this video. I bought my FIRST motorcycle last August, so I am still learning. I prefer to ride alone too, but I want to meet other people. The BRC class was good, but continuous training is best.Thanks again for your channel.

[@nowornever1073.]

You are simply the best out here on youtube if it comes down to bikes! I learned allot from you!!! Keep up the good work. Love from Amsterdam The Netherlands

[@nickrichardson7451]

My last group ride was on the 26th June 2010! We were a group of 16 in my bike club! The guys were wonderful in carrying myself on a stretcher to the Air Ambulance to take me to hospital!!! Why did I end up coming off & sliding 60 feet down the road with a 900 pound Harley WideGlide on my ankles? Well, over-confidence on my part, riding faster than I was comfortable with & over-braking on a partly melted road surface in 97F degree heat! I was out of action for awhile but soon riding again. On that hot day I was the only one wearing BMW protective textile riding gear & that plus my Arai helmet saved me, from worse injuries. I was outside my skill level! You now ride with me on all my solo riding & I know that I am a better rider because of your advice! Thank-you Kevin!! I'm now cautious of group riding!

[@stephensmith1034]

I really like your message about riding your own ride. I too ride with a HOG group, and I feel that they don’t encourage riders to ride their own ride. I’ve seen too many close calls when going through intersections. Some riders believe that just because the rider before them made it through an intersection that they deserve to go through too. They believe that that Stop sign doesn’t apply to them. I’m enjoying riding alone.

[@wb416]

I like traveling alone for most of the reasons you mention. I'm not anti-social (mostly.... LOL), but the independence and freedom is the allure of motorcycles for me. Group riding is submission and conformity, the thing that I'm trying to escape from at work. Instead, I prefer group activities like Bourbon and cigars for building friendships! :)

[@demisx]

100%. Ride solo as well for these particular reason.

[@alainmartin939]

Kevin you not only a very good teacher but you are also a very wise one. Here in Québec Canada we are in 2 feets snow actually and I still watching your videos Just keep going for your excellent work. Big Thanks

[@techguyMD]

Finally someone mentions the front rider being on the left side of the lane. This is much more important than people know and here's why... The car driver in front of the lead rider can see the lead rider better if he/she is on the left side of the lane. The car driver can see them through both the left side mirror and the rear view mirror. Being SEEN is extremely important. In all my years of riding we ALWAYS rode in the exact formation you showed... front on left.

[@caseyw.8325]

Personally, I prefer group riding rather than riding alone. This video is very important for people who want to do that. It is a different ball game.

[@caseyw.8325]

Full Tank, Empty Bladder!

[@MukeshDanu]

Thank u. U r my mentor. I'm following u since the day I bought my bike. I used to watch ur videos even when I had no bike. Thanks a lot sir.

[@MCrider]

Awesome Mukesh, what bike did you get? Welcome to the club!

[@MukeshDanu]

It's Royal Enfield sir! Thank u.

[@HootmonHarry]

You mentioned the lead rider and sweep rider need to be experienced riders.. Especially the lead rider also needs to be experienced leading groups.. The main issue I see in group riding is the leader takes off as they normally would when riding solo.. This may be fine IF you have 3, maybe 4, bikes... Any more than that and a number of seconds go by before the people farther back in the pack can start moving forward. By the time these people start moving the lead bike might already be doing 30 or 40 MPH (depending on the size of the group). These later bikes are now running 10-20MPH faster than the lead rider to catch up.. IF suddenly the lead rider needs to stop, they have these bikes coming up from behind at a very fast pace... When I lead, I take off slowly, it might take me 8-10 seconds to get out of 1st gear.. I watch in my mirror until the last bike starts moving, THEN I start accelerating.. Now the last bike can speed up pretty much at the same rate as I am, except for the growing distance between bikes because if the increasing speed. Stopping this accordian take off is key to a a safer group ride!

[@rcraven1013]

When leading I also stay within the speed limits. Indeed I prefer to ride slightly slower by say 5 mph so that any one left behind has the opportunity to catch up and use that 5 mph on top of my speed so not to run too fast or to furiously to do so and not to exceed any speed limits.

[@jeffsayers2345]

Hi,Jeff in Australia here,thank you for your excellent videos,I'm back into biking after a 21yr lay off ,your wisdom and instruction have been valued greatly. The best motorcycle advice on line. Thanks. Jeff ,Australia.

[@ThatguyFirst]

I tend to be a soloist as well. One thing I would add is: be prepared to leave the group if you aren't comfortable. If other riders are acting in an unsafe manner, excuse yourself from the ride rather than lowering your safety standards. That doesn't mean you have to abandon the ride - you can just leave the group and follow at a comfortable distance while still meeting up to eat, etc.

[@harleymahler2556]

Nice job, with good tips. In my 60k miles of riding over 4 summers, I went on one small group ride, I was invited to. Went 15 miles, stopped at a bar, every one ordered beers and shots! I smiled, said thanks, but no thanks, and hit the road. Did a beautiful 300 mile solo day, enjoyed every mile. Later heard most of the others closed that bar. I know most groups aren’t that way, but I truly love the road alone. (Or with my wife of 40 years as passenger) Be safe. Peace

[@cbkeith7110]

like your style...I like my solitude, more relaxing and I'm always changing my mind where I'm going. cant do that on a group ride

[@flashesofblack4128]

I only ride solo unless I absolutely know that another person I am riding with is a seasoned, competent motorcyclist and I NEVER ride abreast, never! That style leaves you with limited escape positions in emergency stop positions. Great post!

[@apacherider7110]

Most of my mates ride but trying to get everyone together is difficult at time, but love riding on my own, find new roads and tweak you're own skills and come back with a big smile. Did just that on Sunday, came home the wife was out a overnight function so had the evening to myself, ate what I wantedand had a few beers and what motogp..perfect day.

[@SaguaroSignatureLandscaping]

I rode in my first large charity poker run last weekend. On a 400cc super scooter (Piaggio), I had no trouble keeping up. It was staying in close formation while negotiating turns at dead-slow speeds that was the biggest challenge. I learned a lot about my bike that day, mainly that keeping the rear brake slightly pulled in while keeping the throttle engaged, and counter leaning DOES work. I got through the day without hurting myself or (biggest nightmare) causing someone else problems. I’m not sure I’ll do another large group ride like this again, but it was a good experience.

[@kevinhitchcock8672]

Kevin - As usual you share very pertinent points about the riding topic! I find that I am in the same perspective as you regarding the idea of riding in groups. I did road cycling for years and developed the attitude that matches yours after several experiences, late unprepared riders, kooks that I would choose to not ride around as they are dangerous, and the independance you speak of. I really enjoy the solitude of a solo ride. I did 3 weeks last summer with a buddy that I have riden for several years with on 7-10 rides. We ended up splitting up before getting back into the states! Its hard to spend that much time with one person and not find areas you differ on. Trying to save the friendship at this point, but will be riding solo in the future. Keep the videos coming! They are always filled with nuggets of wisdom and experience.

[@stephensledge13]

Kevin, researching group riding as I have a group ride of more than 300 bikes this weekend, I don't really do groups much. Thank you for your effort and quality of your videos.

[@Mariely1]

Out of all the motorcycle youtubers, i only trust your advice.

[@jonkas4542]

I recently rode around the Great Lakes, 2,900 miles. All alone. Met awesome people along the way. Also rode with cousins and friends on the Blue Ridge and PCH. And. Flagstaff to Sedona.

[@jrs96000]

Very much appreciated when leader and successors use hand and feet signals for upcoming road hazards

[@JudithBrummett]

my Hubcap and I travel together and almost never in a group. When we travel I pull the trailer with our camping gear and we have blue tooth comms we have had some close call but for the most part it has been wonderful. Although we are like you and do not ride in groups because it gets complicated. Thanks for the video! Always worth the time we spend gaining knowledge on your channel.

[@albertharper9048]

I often ride in an owner's group much as you explained. Before we start off the destination is known and on a schedule posted quarterly. Route, hand signals, known construction sites and fuel stops are discussed before kickstands up. We also will have a road captain leading and one as a sweep, communications is done with the afore mentioned hand signals and a few in our group have CBs. I also love riding alone, with a wingman or very small group. Great videos!

[@renevanoyen3817]

I've been group riding for over 20 years, most occasions in a pack of 15 riders. The last few years, as traffic became much heavier than 10 years ago, I try to limit the pack to 6-8 riders, making it much easier for myself to keep visual contact with the last headlight. I cannot ride with a verbal communication system in my helmet, as the legal transmitting power and therefor distance is too limited to be comfortable with (500mW = in urban areas less than .5 miles). I hold on to the 10 rules of Common Sense used in my MC, like starting with a full tank, keep your position throughout the ride (no over/undertaking inside the pack), ride legal and stop if ones follower gets behind. We also urge new riders to ride as far in the front of the pack as possible, as the maximum speed is the lowest in the front and the highest in the back (the Harmonica Effect). So new riders need to be (and stay) in position 2 or 3 and the more experience a riders has, the higher his/her position number gets. Easy rule which works beautifully, which you didn't mention in your video. But do not worry, I'm just sharing experience, free of charge of course! Best regards and (I'm early...) Happy Christmas! :-)

[@klh3244]

3 to 4 bikes is a group to me. I also like going solo like you said just because you don't have to entertain anyone. Thanks for the tips and ride safe!

[@tealtazmanian966]

First of all-----Thanks Kevin for all you're doing for the Riding Community at large. I appreciate your channel and shared it with a few fellow riders and they are enjoying you as well SO WELL DONE my friend. My Riding buddy of some decades is really into his Church and the Community in general...I'm just his Side-Kick for those types of things. As a result Jake is asked a lot to help Ram-Rod Riding Events such as a couple hundred mile Group Rides etc. Anyway, he is in charge of arranging the routes, stops, pit stops and any entertainment along the Ride. However, AS soon as the day comes for the Event and everyone is all gathered in the parking lot he then says something like this, " We are very fortunate to have Teal here today to take lead us on a luxury Ride so with that said, Here's Teal." What a buddy, right? I have a theory about group rides and it is just like the Wolf Pack where the leader which is the strongest brings up the rear and the old and injured are right behind another strong Wolf leading from the front. This assures keeping the Pack together because the week set the pace. Jake or I flip for the rear position and the other leads. We seem to keep things nice and collected MOST of the time. We always FIRST talk about the same things you talked about of how to keep a good spacing, keep looking ahead of the riders in front of you and pay attention to those behind etc. etc. etc...and Especially address what to do when Cars or some HOT-ROD independent Rider breaks into our ranks trying to show his skills off...bad idea...or anyone trying to pass or intermingle with the group. We then open up for questions and the whole discussion takes maybe half an hour more or less. We usually only ride for 50 to 70 miles and stop to CHECK on all the riders just to see how everyone is doing...We've had to send a few back with a volunteer good rider but we feel better safe than sorry if one goes down and gets an injury. That's basically our philosophy in connect with group rides when Jake gets us roped in and committed into one of these things...I always end up having a great time in the end and meet some neat people but It IS MUCH MORE WORK than a relaxed ride. We are typiclly taking less experienced riders and I feel more like a babysitter but then we all have to start somewhere...RIGHT? I'm sure there are those out there that do things differently and I like to hear how they organize their group rides or tours as come call them. Again, Thanks Kevin for these interesting topics. It keeps me coming back....I subscribed but can't join just yet. I will one day tho.

[@DamelzaJane]

I had a ‘learners’ group ride a couple of weeks ago with an experienced leader, TEC and even an instructor. I enjoyed it as it was so well managed and I learnt a lot but have to admit, I love to ride alone and focus on the improvement of a specific skill. Thanks for this vid. It’s so well done. I recommend you to all my friends. 👌🏼😊

[@tommydemis9094]

You hit the nail on the head! I really enjoy riding alone for all the reasons you talked about...

[@TimothyArnold]

I’ve done both solo and group rides. Both have their pluses and minuses. I ride solo most of the time during the week but I ride with my club on group rides on weekends. I’ve had large and small groups. I prefer smaller 4-6 in a group mainly because it’s easier to keep everyone together. We use hand signals to warn for road hazards, when to single up, when to stagger and when we are turning or slowing. The thing I like about riding with at least 1 other person is you have help with you if you need it. I like the long, solitary rides where it’s just you and your thoughts, but I like the company at times as well. It’s not for everyone, but it’s also fun when everyone does their part.

[@1stcarver]

Another good topic, and video. Thanks! I go either way, but lean more to the freedoms of riding alone. I ride with two clubs, and we do make group rides. There are things that will make a group ride more enjoyable. Start the ride at a restaurant next to a gas station, or at the gas station. Everybody has a full tank before the actual ride starts. I've been lead rider, tail gunner, and safety officer. As the safety officer it was my responsibility to visually check each bike in the group for anything that needed to be addressed. Bald tires, low air pressure, dry and dirty chains, turn signals, and brake lights that might be broken, etc. If a dangerous, or possible danger, then the rider is asked to address the problem/s, and to please come ride with us on another day. New riders always go up front right behind the ride leader. That way the pace can be set for that rider. Sometimes that makes for a slow ride, but that's OK. And the use of hand signals is very important. All of these things need to be discussed before the ride starts. I have had to bail on rides that were above my comfort zone. I will ride my own ride. If the ride leader gives a hand signal, then all riders in the group will follow suit, and give the same signal. If you can not obey the rules of the ride, then you will be asked to leave the ride. Group rides can be fun, and you will get to meet some new folks from time to time, and make lasting friendships. But to me nothing beats the ability, the freedom, to just point my motorcycle in some direction, and take off to explore. Stopping when I want, and seeing new sights.

[@edwardbranch4311]

Kevin, Thanks for the tips and the site. I tend to be a single rider not because I like it that way but rather find it hard to find a suitable ride companion or group that can go when I can go. I am also not as skilled as those I meet so that I am quite self conscious about not wanting to slow everyone down. Finding the right ride buddy(or buddies) is an ongoing quest. Many factors are involved - age, talent, disposition, interests. I love my red wonder. Even just looking at it gives me a buzz. So, my quest continues.

[@stevecolman365]

The first point I wish to make is: Who the hell are the 16 thumb downers? Strange! The second: I just love this channel! ...........I do some group riding in the UK with workmates and friends. We also do group rides in the continent ( This year Luxembourg) and we use a "drop off system" where at a junction the lead rider will point or show some kind of indication for number 2 rider to park curbside, clearly showing the direction leader has gone. He will wait for all other bikes to pass through the junction including "Tail end Charlie" he then pulls out rejoins the group, overtakes TEC and takes 2nd to last place. The system continues No2 dropping off until he reaches No2 etc. etc. This way leader and tail end Charlie stay the same, the person dropping off only has to know one rider (tec) and the group only has to look out for the one parked up rider. It works well.

[@BrewingwithBill]

I mostly ride solo. But have 3 friends who like to ride together. When our schedules match, we ride as a 4 bike group. I always ride in the back. And always ride my own ride. I fall behind on corners, but always catch up. But I do far more solo riding than group. I like the peace and freedom of it. There is no other feeling in the world like , just you, the bike, and the road ahead.

[@Mark333032]

For group rides I find the 2nd man drop system works really well for all sorts of reasons. The 2nd rider immediately behind the leader must stop to mark the direction of each turn. He remains there until all the other riders in the group ride through. He then pulls into the back of the line but ahead of the backmarker rider. So the leader and backmarker always maintain their positions at the front and back but everyone else steadily moves through the line after each turn until they are behind the leader again (so they become the 2nd man) and it is their turn to mark a turn again. Riders can overtake each other if they wish. It means everyone can relax and ride at their own pace, it avoids riders bunching too close and no matter how spread out the group becomes, as long as everyone follows the rules and marks their turn and stays there until the backmarker comes through, nobody gets lost.

[@aneelmaharaj9106]

This video is helpful for me since I have never ridden in a group before. I have always ridden alone for the same reasons you pointed out in your video so I'll give it a try tomorrow morning and see how it goes there's only three of us so not a big group.

[@larryambrose5078]

Excellent advice, I agree 100%. I'll be breaking all these rules, along with 1500 others May 16th. "Run For the Wall" from Ontario CA to the Wall in DC, 3000 miles. 2017 was my 1st RFTW.

[@CarolanIvey]

I rode in my first large charity poker run last weekend. On a 400cc super scooter (Piaggio), I had no trouble keeping up. It was staying in close formation while negotiating turns at dead-slow speeds that was the biggest challenge. I learned a lot about my bike that day, mainly that keeping the rear brake slightly pulled in while keeping the throttle engaged, and counter leaning DOES work. 😀 I got through the day without hurting myself or (biggest nightmare) causing someone else problems. I’m not sure I’ll do another large group ride like this again, but it was a good experience.

[@gruntsjh]

Thanks Kevin. I like riding in groups but I'm with you when riding alone is nice as well.

[@Satanabinoid]

Currently riding NY>AZ, got held up in the New Orleans ice storm. MCRider has (probably) saved my life hundreds of times. I would never ride with more that one or two close friends, but prefer to ride alone as well. Thanks for another great video!

[@philtripe]

we are looking forward to your arrival here in tucson...i used to live in NY and got sick of being pulled over and paying tickets all the time...there i was treated like dirt and here people treat me like a celebrity

[@Satanabinoid]

philtripe I know exactly what you’re talking about. I grew up in Tucson and moved from Tucson to SF in 2011, then back to Brooklyn last year. I am SO excited to get back to Az. Just pulled in to Houston! Only about 1000 miles to go!

[@Satanabinoid]

philtripe let’s ride Lemmon sometime

[@saddle8bag]

I've mostly ridden alone or with another couple on vacations. I'm perfectly happy doing that, but I've been riding with a club lately and it's a hoot. Collectively, there is a wealth of knowledge of great roads/restaurants within 8-12 hrs of riding. I find myself riding/eating the same roads/food a lot because I know and like them, but it's so much fun to find all these new areas that I honestly would never have discovered on my own. It's also kinda reassuring that if something goes wrong out in the boondocks with no cell service, you have some support.

[@alanhamel3577]

If I can add something that I do, not only in groups, but in any kind of traffic....is that I take responsibility for the person behind me. I try to keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front of me, and then brake in a manner that gives the person behind me the maximum amount of time to react. I apply the brakes as early as possible, but I slow down SLOWLY, so that I can ease up on the brakes a little if that person didn't see me braking right away and I need to give him more room. I know it probably sounds a little simplistic, but I am always aware that one of the greatest dangers to my safety is right behind me so I do my best to never get in a situation where i have to brake hard and cause the person behind me to panic. Does that make any sense? -Alan

[@MCrider]

Sounds like a good strategy.

[@tonyg1773]

That's good practise and I try to do the same. Cheers Tony

[@johnt6347]

I ride both solo and in groups. The idea of coming prepared for the ride is a good one and is used by our Legion Riders. We will have a safety meeting before discussing routes, stops and who is running in the lead and tail. The rider behind me is my wingman and I look out for that rider. Like what was said, he or she is my first concern. Thank you for your videos, they spell out what we as rider's need to know to stay safe and enjoy what we love.

[@roadglide]

Amen MC Rider...Come prepared. Thank you. Don’t be a lemming. As well, don’t come upset, fatigued or out of gas. Bluetooth technology now more than ever. Great refresh of solid information. Keeping it simple and specific with proven techniques as you just presented here simply put, work.

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

Thanks fo the great tips and sharing the same reasons I ride for.

[@stelladyer9457]

Seconded. My motorcycling days are over now due to poor health but I still enjoy the mini lectures. I used to ride every day when I was younger, and nothing can beat the freedom and independence motorcycling gives you

[@angelarroyo6001]

Stella Dyer ah the old rider and here's me don't even have a bike yet just my license and half the gear needed lok

[@mrsperm7064]

Hi Kevin, greetings from Malaysia. You the man bruv... thank you so much for everything!

[@bobhenderson5809]

Great tips Kevin, many times I ride in a group of 2 or 4 and sometimes side by side, however we have the understanding that when approaching a curve , who goes out first to form a single line ride through out the corner, again we ride at the speed limit so we can enjoy the scenery and the ride.

[@JOEX3006]

I agree with the lone rider mentality. I do enjoy a group ride now and then , but riding solo is the most enjoyable for me.

[@TheGeorgiaGent]

Riding with 2 or 3 riders that you know is best...

[@CarolanIvey]

TheGeorgiaGent That’s my preference as well.

[@mikehenthorn79]

I ride often with a group at my church. We normally have between 50-70 bikes. We break the big group up in groups of 10 with one of our road captains as a lead and sweep. All of our road captain have been train in accident trauma care and they go on pre-rides to learn the route well. In 10 years we have never had a major incident with only 2 minor ones. We have people with different leaves of riding experience. I love riding with those men and women.

[@kennethvernonprivate]

I took an advanced riding class this past summer and a portion of the class dealt with group rides. We mostly discussed the known skills and rules, however, this coach as the lead rider, used a vertical left arm when he wanted the entire group to form a single line. He did this when entering tighter curves/blind corners or if he saw a road hazard.....

[@MCrider]

Which advanced class was it?

[@kennethvernonprivate]

Happy Monday morning.... :o( www.calgarysafetycouncil.com/ Seemed like an ok outfit, but I'll look into a different school this year for my 'tune-up'

[@ggreene245]

I so agree about riding alone. I only ride a couple events a year with groups. A St. Jude fund raiser once a year and an occasional Patriot Guard ride. Love being able to turn where and when I want and stop when and where I want. Great videos, thanks...

[@papashuk26]

I have an old carbureted bike, no gadgets, no radio, no ride modes, no riding partners, no where to be, just the back roads and the joy of riding. I always come home with a big smile on my face. I should try a group ride.....some day.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

I think it really depends on what you're doing. I usually ride on my own, but if I've got miles to cover on the super slab, I'm usually a lot happier when I've got the company. It turns a long distance ride over not very interesting road to be a lot more enjoyable. Where it gets really annoying is in traffic or if the lead bike wants to go chasing Corvettes. But, really, it depends a great deal on the other riders and what's going on.

[@jessewarren3281]

Kevin...I have never ridden in a group because like you riding is a release for me too. I have my own pace consistent with traffic. My joy is riding on A-1-A from Port St. Lucie, FL to Miami or from PSL to northern Fl, again on A-1-A. This is all coastal riding with plenty of ocean and beach town. By the time I get back I am at peace with the world. Are their incidents, yes mostly by crotch rockets doing 80 in a thirty. Plenty of accidents by those guys, girls. I have ridden from home to Texas several times using I-95 and I-10 but it’s not the same having to keep pace with traffic for endless miles. My goal is a trip to visit my sister in SFO using the southern border route tonTombstone< AZ then Pacific Coast Highway to San Fran. Hopefully this year. Thanks for your insights. I believe you save lives

[@eddietheloggie]

I've been riding for many years, based in UK but travelled all over Europe. There is a 'third way', a combination of group riding and solo riding. When I travel in a group it's really neat if we can organise a support vehicle, and even better if that vehicle is a van / truck. You can put all your luggage in that and ride the bike as it was designed to be ridden. So apart from a support truck what's the third way? This works really well on a multi-day trip. I give a suggested route, a suggested lunch stop and of course a destination. I have the support van stick to that route and make sure it's always last and has comms, (easy peasy nowadays with phones being ubiquitous) and that everyone knows the follow van's phone number. Then you allow people to ride in one big group, in lots of small groups or solo. We can all meet up for lunch, and a few beers at the destination and if there are any problems the support vehicle can handle it, and can call up support from the rest of the riders if needed.

[@paulpsyche42]

as always thanks for great instruction Video, going on my first group ride soon! Thanks for your channel!!

[@afterburner2869]

About 30 of us are going for a ride tomorrow. Thanks for the tips as I’m sure they will come in handy.

[@MrEd6066]

In the group meeting before riding a discussion of safety and response is a good idea. Where I live the best twisty road is out of cell range by quite a long way. A discussion about speed safety and rescue is a very good idea - the tendency to get some spirited riding in can be softened somewhat by the reality of a 2- 3 hour wait for medical assistance.

[@andysparks7381]

Great job, Kevin. I, too, am a solo rider.

[@DispelBreaker]

I remember going on a group ride from NJ to PA it was awesome and I really enjoyed it! I stayed more towards the last two bikes. We stopped at a diner for lunch and just like you said... I heard the screech sound of tires sliding past me. One of the guys didn't pay attention for that split second and almost caused a domino effect! Great videos BTW! Very educational!

[@shenandoahhills7263]

Kevin, A couple of things. 1.) It is extremely important to make sure that everything is secure on your bike before taking off. In group rides I have seen parts flying off, gloves falling off, luggage coming loose, lids coming open, hats flying. 2.) If something does come off, don't immediately stop with the whole group, continue on until you can find a safe place for all to pull over. Note where the item was dropped and let the experienced sweep riders return to find it. Be very careful when looking for a lost item as riders looking will not have their full focus on where they are going, particularly if you have to do a sudden "U" turn. 3.) We usually place inexperienced or new riders to the rear of the group where they can be observed, ride at their own pace, and if they make an error they won't take out the whole pack. 4.) If some riders get separated, the lead rider will slow down by a given amount to allow the followers to catch up without them acting like maniacs. 5.) Watch for cars that get impatient, try to cut into your ranks, overtake at inappropriate places, at high speeds, or dart back into your lane. 6.) Don't allow road rage to become a factor as a stupid remark or gesture could place the entire group in jeopardy. 7.) Plan bathroom breaks at least once every two hours as some member's bladders are more limited than their fuel tanks. 8.) For a day ride, we always say to show up with an "Empty bladder, a full tank, and a full stomach". By all means show up a little early so you can learn the route, planned stops, and contingency plans. If you show up late plan on being left behind, that is unless you have a good reason and advise the group.

[@TacticalHamsterDance]

Great tips, personally I disagree with #3 though. The more to the rear, the faster the rider has to ride. Even with 10-15 man group, if the leader goes a casual 80 or so, the ones at the rear have to do 140+ in places in order to catch up - which can be dangerous on mountain roads. (And I mean a different kind of danger than police stopping you because the most common speed limit around here is 90-100 km/h.)

[@bikerbobcat]

I don't have any friends that ride (yet) but the idea of riding with friends always appealed to me, and have been nervous due to my inexperience. I've only been riding about 2yrs. On my own, however, I love love love riding alone. Besides getting to explore my world with 'new eyes' it's a fantastic meditative exercise that's helps me deal with my depression and anxiety, even coupled with therapy. It's changed my life for the better, no doubt about it. Just... it would be nice to ride with one or two friends once in a while when the weather is nice. They all tolerate and support my obsession but nobody wants to pick up the wheels with me!

[@SonoranSunriders]

We're in the same boat. My husband and I each ride, but sometimes it would be nice to go for lunch or hit the twisties with a few like-minded friends. We've gone on a few "Meet-ups" but very few of the established riders are interested in making new acquaintances.

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

You sound awesome if you're in North Carolina. :) At least visit my short, but hopefully growing series on motorcycles. :)

[@davecarsley8773]

Bobcat Arts Are you anywhere close to Michigan?

[@vespakat7815]

Bobcat Arts yes! You’ve nailed it! When riding there is only the moment to think about. Mindfulness and pure joy.

[@jamesconway25]

Thank you Kevin.... I frequently ride with a small group (4-7) riders. Sometimes I lead but mostly I am the tail. I like the group rides for the security. After an accident about 10 months ago (i was the tail as usual and an elderly women made a left turn between the sixth and seventh bike and I had nowhere to go) the lead rider Macguiver'ed my bike back together and I was able to complete our trip out and then back to my home without a tow (about 8 hours round trip). Without that Knowledge and experience of the lead rider, I would have had to tow my bike home and it would have ended my day trip. .... Jim

[@donaldremington3737]

Very good info, particularly following the tragedy in New Hamp. I am a road captain in several groups, & with HOG in particular , we have a chat before even the simplest rides. If riding on an multi lane road it would be worth discussing lanes changes. Our practice is the leader signals the tail [either by blue tooth, CB or hand signals ] that he wants to change lanes. WHEN THE LANE is clear, the tail moves over followed by the leader , then the rest of the group. This should keep us from getting involved with a fast car in the left lane. Thanks for your efforts !

[@cordellwynne]

Very well-articulated, Kevin. I really appreciate your measured delivery of well-conceived explication. You manage to do it in a very professional yet empathetic manner. Thanks. Im a Patreon supporter.

[@johncoe6304]

Yeah Kevin, there is room for both. Dont really know anyone close by to ride with, and yes I think I mostly prefer solo. But a couple others might be ok, occasionally. Sounds funny, but when I'm out riding, I'm sorta praying, meditating, and concentrating, while practicing safety..all at once. Sometimes, on backroads, I literally cruise at 30..then I may let it do what it do , lol, for a mile or so. Very little to no traffic, of course. Great info . As always kev. We appreciate you.

[@trilllife4433]

Great video! I’m a new rider and your experience and knowledge is very helpful!

[@seth_5394]

Trill Life - agreed, me too

[@reneleroux3339]

1. In our club we limit groups to 3 riders, 30 seconds between groups at departure, the faster groups leave first.We have only so much attention to devote to looking for traps and dangers. A small group requires less attention. The third rider having only 1 rider (the leader) directly in front of him (her) 2-3-4 seconds out front (the second rider being in front and off to the right) allows the 3rd rider to more easily see what's coming.2. We rest-stop for 10 min every 60 mi or so, 1h10 - 1h15 min with strops agreed upon before leaving. Often at a stop we'll debate and agree on the next stop.3. GAS...we gas up generally every 2 stops...or when someone will be running low before we get to the next stop. If any one rider needs to gas up, EVERYBODY GASES UP !4. Turning off to a different route: the last rider of a leading group stays at the intersection and makes sure the leader of the following group has seen him so groups don't get separated.

[@darlingimscared]

I feel like it's similar to group sports. Thinking about it I'm so glad motorbiking is something I can enjoy on my own, it's only just hit me now how much I needed it at 27, I was into tennis but found it didn't occupy enough of my time. Im glad group rides exist but it's the travel and needing a thing I could do on my own that got me here.

[@patgenier1965]

Thank you Kevin. Im heading out with a experience rider today for an afternoon tour to kananaskis country here in Alberta. Ill let you know how it goes. Cheers from Canada.🇨🇦

[@robertbrunston5406]

I like to ride with small groups only, riding with large groups travel is slow because of all the stops like you stated! Thank you Kevin.

[@vohnbusby5400]

Kevin....don't know if this has been pointed out, yet, but folks need to relay hand signals bike to bike. Especially going from stagger to single file. I do a lot of group mountain road riding and I make it clear to the group to relay the hand signals (bike to bike)!

[@chuckbrewington6817]

Great advice. I'm a member of ABATE and they do several group rides that I participate in to support the group. However, sometimes newer folks show up not prepared. Doesn't take long to identify were problems could occur. A pre ride meeting should always occur and a pretrip bike inspection wouldn't hurt. Although these rides are mostly fun, I'd rather run solo and escape the crowd. Great video and again very good advice for riders of all levels to follow.

[@jomont4988]

I . 90% of my riding alone I learned to ride alone and with videos and practice. I ride anytime it isnt raining. I did quite a bit of group riding in 2012-2015. I enjoyed it is a big challenge. I enjoy your videos. Ve detailed i can tell you know whar you're talking about... Thank You!

[@lennartknarvik2112]

I once came across an article (or video) where it was said that the least experienced / slowest should drive first to control the pace and preventing people from falling out of the group. If I drive with 2 or 3 others we don't care about the position because we can easily see each other. But if we are a larger group of 10-15 people, I like to have the slowest as number two, because then the leader can see if the speed may be a bit high based on the numbers 2's level of riding experience. This way the no one is feeling forced to drive over their limit.

[@PanRider939]

It depends on what you are trying to achieve. If it is a convoy then slow at the front, staggered ride, everything in Kevin's video applies. However our group of 8, always ride fast at front, slow at rear. Let the group stretch out often to the point of riding the corners on your own, everyone to their own pace and then regroup at each pre-determined stop. That way everyone has had maximum fun. At the end of a leg the last rider is usually only 30-40 seconds behind, because the lead often get's held up waiting to pass a van or car, or at a one way bridge or such, when the group naturally closes up again.

[@stuartwoolley8302]

hello Kevin really enjoying your tips for riding. I am in England. I ride solo most if the time but I am looking into starting a group up at work.

[@cadrat1962]

Great advice Kevin..... Common sense should be the No. 1 rule in groups..But that's a whole other topic :-) I went for a ride with a different group a couple of weeks ago. I turned around and went home!! All over the place, varying speeds, overtaking and no v=briefing before we left.........So some of us didn't know the route...Made me appreciate our local HOG rides. Having said that there is nothing better than a long solo ride. Even overnight or longer.

[@mikeparker840]

Thanks MC Rider, yea man I understand that feeling of independence you feel riding alone. I really enjoy being my own man out there and not having to limits attached . It kind of makes me feel imprisoned but that’s just me. Thanks brother

[@skipleonard6818]

I like riding with at least one buddy on long out of town rides. If something happens out in the wilderness you have help

[@jeffreymurillo246]

I ride both solo and group. Group was pretty recent, just last year. I use meetup. I started riding group because I wanted to see new roads I've never been in and I've seen a lot recently. Another tip, if you've been riding around with the same people, know their riding habits. For example, if there's a rider that always sticks uncomfortably behind you, just let them through and just stay behind them. Also, bring simple tools with you. You'll never know when someone gets a flat tire or something.

[@johne5854]

I prefer the independence of solo riding. The only time I enjoyed a group ride was when I was on holiday with in Germany and the group I was with got split into two and we elected a leader. This was the only person who showed any consideration for the other riders and made sure we stayed together. All other leaders I have been with set out to prove they are the best riders and it's become a dangerous game of playing catchup. It would be nice if you could ride at your own pace but in reality it antagonises more experienced riders and the group becomes fractured. You could do a Group Ride part two on riding systems. Convoy, always keeping the man behind you in sight or the Dropoff system where when the leader turns the man behind pulls over and signals the direction to the rest of the group. The last man always remains last so no one gets missed. Perhaps there are other systems.

[@sampenwright8292]

Hey Kevin, I do not like riding in group not because I'm not friendly but I just like to go at my own pace and stop when I want. I do go on group trips but i prefer riding 2 up or solo, I went on a road trip from crystal river fl this summer to up state NY camped 2 nights and had a great time no worries. I'm planning a new trip for this next spring over 7000 miles so I will do it solo or maybe another rider might ride as far as Maryland. I hear the music in my head of one of my favorite vids you did ""Kawasaki Ninja 650r Road Trip" So listen to that road its calling, Thanks again for all the fine work you do, Maybe I'll see ya on the road.

[@russl4294]

Thanks for the tips, I like 2 or3 rider trips . I road in packs of 100's on events and can't keep together and have to meet at destination point , then waiting or leaving . 2or 3 riders can get together on where to eat , take breaks, gas stops, stay together in traffic. Happy trails

[@joshmix7192]

I do Saturday morning rides with me local harley dealership I just passed the msf class and at this time don't own a bike of my own so as of right now its the only way to get my practice in great group of people

[@jagatjogiyaa]

Love your content. Essential instructions for safe riding. Thank you!

[@sbiswa6547]

You Are Great Sir,,,,👍👍

[@bryantchandler2925]

I belong to a riding club. We ride in standard staggered formation. I'm often the second in line and that can be a tricky position because the leader can sometimes discover on their gps that they have a right turn coming up in about 100 feet. Some leaders will pass the turn and turn around afterward. I regard this to be a safer approach than making a sudden turn. Not all leaders do this though so it's best for the second rider to allow two or more seconds between him and the leader in case of a sudden right turn.

[@rodneygiddings6064]

Thanks Kevin, I really appreciate and value your tips. I ride with our local Ulysses motorcycle club group but also really enjoy getting out on the occasional solo ride. Cheers Rod

[@MrEd6066]

Communication is great - my family uses the Sena 20S and we really find it useful for safety ( pointing out hazards and advice) and for discussing the view and possible places to stop. I've met others who enjoy the piece and quiet of no communication then having a discussion at the end of the ride and reminisce. I want to make a PSA about the 20S though. The range is short and it makes popping noises when more than 2 are connected. This is a problem for all 20s units . So if you are looking for a good unit go to Cardo - just saying. We're selling ours next spring.

[@johna6968]

I've lost count the amount of times we've agreed a nice gentle ride out and within the hour its a race and game on.. Great days

[@robertkimball8725]

All your points were on target. I have riden group three times and another issue that bothers me is the rubber band effect that seems to get going on long runs. On one ride, I was a fairly new rider so was being extra cautious near the back of the pack, and the bouncing started and I got extremely uncomfortable and had to back off the group a couple miles to get relief. I think the group size played a part as well . we were 40+ bikes, most two up. Like you, I prefer the one or two bikes and my own agenda. Usually pair with my wife and her bike. Thanks for all your info. Greatly improving my riding experience because of it. Have a Great Weekend, and I look forward to seeing you on the road someday when I get back to my home out in College Station.

[@grantbradley5084]

I prefer to ride solo. When I got back into riding a decade ago after a 20 year hiatus I went on a couple of group rides. It didn’t take long to come to the realization that most of the group couldn’t ride more than 50 miles without stopping for a beer or a drink of some kind. It’s a miracle no one was injured or killed. Nope besides the occasional ride with my brother, I’ll continue to explore alone, or with my wife as a passenger.

[@happytrails1963]

I enjoy group riding a lot. As someone who has been riding a long time and used to always ride by myself I find group riding a lot of fun. I try to blend group riding with riding by myself so its up to me how much of each I do. I'm in the GWRRA so the rides are well organized. I wouldn't like the group rides you were talking about either. Too much randomness, riders who just aren't good riding in a group (to impatient and wanting the pace of the ride to suit them) and people showing up unprepared. Besides meeting good people I've been on rides to beautiful areas I never knew about. Just can't beat it. Nice video!

[@B235RViggen]

Hi Kevin, Thanks for addressing this topic (at last!). I've been on some group rides, but like you said, I'd rather ride alone or in a very small group (2-3) of riders who I know very well. There is just too much more to have to pay attention to, and it only takes one long stretch of seemingly uneventful road to lose that concentration to jerk me back to reality resulting in soiled undergarments... Good tip about the rear-most rider coming up to the head of the left-behind pack to guide them to re-join the rest of the group - I'd forgotten about that. Thanks again!

[@yurikhromov2905]

Good tips, Kevin. But I have a couple more to add. 1. Prior to heading out have an agreement on a riding speed, that suits all group members. And the leader should check with the group if it is indeed works well for everyone at the first stop. Since the real experience may differ from expectations. The reasonable speed of the group should also be somewhat below the allowed speed limit to make it easier for tail riders to catch up with the head if the group gets stretched without breaking the speed limit. 2. Bluetooth is nice, but every member of the group should also constantly watch the riders behind him and slow down if they fall back too far. This chain reaction will let the leader know that someone is lost or can't keep up with the pace. It takes a lot of effort from every group member, but that's what differs an organised group from a random bunch of riders. And that's why i don't like riding in groups - it takes a lot of effort and responsibility. Much more than solo riding. 3. It never hurts to implement more complex rules like having a second rider block the traffic at intersections to let the group pass, knowing how to keep formation and how and when to change it properly and safely, but those are more advanced skills, it takes time to learn them. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy watching your videos and learning from them. Or in other cases having satisfaction in knowing that I have been doing it right.

[@johnandsusanhall1446]

It's also like riding a rollercoaster. The front decides how fast and when to take off. The middle isn't effected much by this, but at the tail end it's a whip. What I mean is it's a chain reaction, the first one takes off, then a split second later the next, ten the next, until the end is really having to take off. The same in braking, the first ones hit their brakes, then a split second later the next has to hit just a smidge harder, then on and on to the end is almost braking as hard as they can (over exagerted some). I'm kinda new at this, so take this info for what it's worth. I've averaged about 1,000 miles a month on my bike in WV year round. I usually ride alone, but like to ride in the charities around me when available. These sometimes bring in big groups. I usually wait until someone signals me to join in when taking off, so as to not butt into a group, but this one time, no one signaled me and I ended up last. I was like whoah, trying to keep up. Then a turn came up I wasn't expecting to be as sharp as it was, and I got fixated. I almost ran off the road trying to keep up. If I'd just let them go a bit I could've caught up easily, but I tried to hang with much bigger bikes and more experienced riders. Especially being last as I wouldn't have impacted anybody else. Just my over priced $0.02 worth. I know there'll be some people out there that will day I should've done this/that, but as I say, "should've, could've, would've, DIDN'T!". lesson learned, and hopefully next time I won't do the same thing.

[@PanRider939]

"It's also like riding a roller-coaster." A good lead rider would know all these dynamics and ride accordingly. Riding in formation, lead riders have do do everything smoothly and predictably and thinking of what impact his action will have on the rest of the group right to the back. Acceleration is the classic, but that said you only accelerate as fast and hard as 'you' want to.

[@oklahomahank2378]

The leader is supposed to accelerate slowly to give everyone time to get going before the leader moves to full speed.

[@tonypybus8003]

Great points especially about preparation. There is a military phrase which encompasses the 7 P's - Prior Preparation Prevents a P*ss Poor Performance. I find it really frustrating when fellow riders Like you I generally alone for the freedom and the joy of rolling the bike through a bend. I also only ride with people I know well and where we all have a goal in riding i.e to go somewhere od do something. It might be a short trip to the local bikers cafe, or it might be a long trip down through France but there is a reason for it. Equally I try to ride with people that have similar bikes to myself. My experience is that as I ride a tourer (Honda NT650V Deauville) so I am unlike to join up with a bunch of "crotch rockets".