How to stop a motorcycle quickly in a curve - MCrider episode 9

[@MCrider]

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[@zoranm3866]

This helped me today! I was driving on a curvy road, looked too much at a car behind me, went too fast into a curve, and then decided to straighten the bike and emergency break! And it worked!!! There was gravel on the road, so I went to the grass by the road, but did not fall or crash!!! THANX!

[@michaelsupple6081]

I recently took the MSF course and both those techniques were taught. A few weeks after the course I was coming around a fairly sharp blind turn and low and behold right at the exit point was a downed oak tree covering both lanes. Two things saved me. due to the sharpness of the turn I entered at a controlled speed and second I knew to straighten the bike prior to really getting on the brakes. I also did begin to delicately apply the brakes as soon as it caught my eye but waited to really apply serious pressure as the bike righted itself. I was amazed at how that info came back to me in a near panic situation. Take the course and as you emphasize, practice. Thanks for these excellent videos.

[@glennsims111]

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[@hillbillybbq]

thanks for the tip been riding for 27 years had a lot of close calls on corners. had rode 20 years before my first accident, tailgating, speed and over confidence were my enemies. never get complacent.

[@walcott423]

Learned this skill in the MSF course, the first time i had to make an emergency stop in a curve, it is NOT what i did. These things must be practiced frequently or you will not do it when the time comes. Good video.

[@stevehofmann9525]

Kevin, I've been watching a few of your Videos and I think your content and presentation are spot on. You are a real credit to the sane motorcycle riding community.

[@lowgascostsorangeman2688]

You're one of the best instructors on KZbin. That's all that matters to me.

[@ACHPKP]

I'm just getting back into Motorcycle riding, and have been watching your safety videos. Your videos are such a Help, in securing the Skill of cycling, that I haven't done in quite a few years. Keep it up! Blessings.

[@Harleylovinchelley1]

Excellent advice. Got to be gentle on brakes when leaned over. I caught myself stomping too hard on the rear brake in a curve one time. Thank goodness I was able to release the brake in time to prevent dumping it. When you see a hazard it is too easy to over apply brakes. It really DOES require practice. My bike does not have ABS but an old timer taught me when stopping in rain do a tap dance on the rear brake. It saved me twice from a wreck. I can't do it as fast as an ABS system but it is still better than nothing.

[@DoodleOnAMotorcycle]

This is one of the most intimidating things I want to learn

[@larrylobster4483]

Thank you! Great stuff - looking forward to practicing!

[@bryancowan3453]

As always, great advice. Thank you, Kevin.

[@johngarcia3164]

I'm a new rider (150cc scooter). Your videos have been so helpful. I appreciate your down to earth approach. Thank you for your videos and all of the good advice.

[@MCrider]

Glad to help! www.MCrider.com/Member

[@ghostpepperrides4805]

Your spot on. Technique to is what I use all the time until I get the bike straight up. I'm a firm believer in knowing how to use your brakes in all weather conditions practice practice practice.

[@durangarc]

Thank you for tackling this very complex concept.

[@MCrider]

+dur gar Thanks for the comment dur gar! Have a good day my friend. Kevin

[@cwbaldwin61]

Solid stuff here. I successfully completed the MSF/BRC this weekend (and got my endorsement Monday!), and they covered this topic thoroughly. I decided I didn't want to know how competent (or not) I am at these maneuvers the first time I encounter an obstacle on the road. The class was a big help, and I'm taking it to the next level by taking the Ready2Ride next month, where we'll practice stopping, avoidance and other maneuvers at higher speeds - and on our own bikes. Then - continued practice.

[@vitabricksnailslime8273]

Watched a video where a guy inexplicably grabbed a handful of front brake and went down in the gentlest of curves. I made a few observations regarding getting your braking done in a straight line as far as possible, using the wide entry line, use of trailing brake, and the 100 points of traction theory. And was then told that I was the greatest fool on the planet. But what would I know. I've only been riding for 42 years.

[@mark-1234]

Once you overcome your phobias, you'll be surprised at how much brake pressure you can get away with on good, dry pavement with decent tires (relatively sticky tires; not high mileage tires). Wet pavement, on the other hand, can be a little tricky. ;)

[@chrisolson2980]

Great information and very accurate too. Trust me I know because my first accident, years ago, was a low side crash due to grabbing too much front brake while turning sharp. Looks like two people don't believe physics, cause that's all this is when you break it down. Just like numbers, physics don't lie (except in the case of bumble bees and helicopters - or so I've been told!) That was a joke son, bumble bees and helicopters don't defy physics and neither can you! Thanks for the good information!

[@touristguy87]

Chris Olson so don't grab a lot of front brake while turning sharply. Use a modest amount while turning gradually. You can max brake after you stop turning. But you need to keep turning because your aim-point is just as important as your braking. Aiming towards the obstacle that you are rying to avoid hitting is counterproductive.

[@joyelroy6842]

Chris Olson true

[@Louisthesaxman1]

We thought bumble bees defied physics before we had seen them fly in super slow motion and realised that they rotate their wings on the upstroke. As you say nothing defies physics haha

[@wam44]

ROLFLMAO!! "overwhelming the traction and causing a bad day' hahahahahha ...causing a bad day....Great videos-I am learning a ton-Thank you!!

[@joeabs4844]

Thank you for this great braking technique video Kevin!

[@skyking228]

I love my antilock brakes and Michelin PR4's. Especially when turning/stopping in the rain. Great vlog btw. Thank you.

[@dgphi]

Does ABS work in a curve? (Genuine question. I don't know.)

[@jasonhochman3750]

question--is it really necessary to shift down to first gear, if you are keeping the clutch in and coming to a complete stop?

[@mvl71]

I found that the best way to get your bike from leaning to upright, is to start leaning over to the other side _and simultaiously apply the rear brake with some force_ You'll be straight up in no time at all, after which you can apply both brakes full force. Be warned though, if you hit the rear brake for too long, you'll flip your bike and you probably can't stop it in time. Practice _slowly_ on an empty parking lot. Ride a couple of circles to the left, leaning in as far as you dare, then lean over and hit the rear brake. Bam! Upright. Unless you brake too long, then it's just bam.

[@laughingstalk1343]

I used Technique 2 when leaned over in a city intersection, and a taxi pulled out in front of me.

[@miguelmartins7311]

I’m using the rear brake to slow down in the curve before getting straight or apply front brakes.

[@elisacasa_creations]

This is a very valuable video to me! The weakest point in my riding skills is the turn in a slope. My house is on L turn slope. 3 times my bike dropped on my way back from a ride even when i came to park even after a long ride of 200km in mountains and highways...the 3rd time I fell i decided to sell my bike...i may seem a coward but... I think I applied the 2nd technique taught by Kevin for a lot of times without noticing it but planing it most of the good days. On my bad day, I was tired and had new winter leather gloves to try feeling clutch and throttle uncontrollable...and also a car was coming from the left side up (my turn was on the right down) I pulled right and my curve was small with breaks causing my fall. Also I remember the slope turn was all gravels and sand as there was road works on this road... All that caused my bad day... Just a question to you Kevin, where is my mistake there in order to correct it in another life 😉? Thank you

[@johnschlesinger2009]

There is a technique in the Motorcycle Roadcraft manual, as used in training by UK police: this is to apply the rear brake hard, while leaning the bike further over. This might be useful where one cannot straighten up without running out of road. Forunately, I have never had to try it out, so cannot say how well it works!

[@zerogravity4591]

Thank you so much for these videos!

[@judgedredd49]

In order not to overcome the grip of the front tyre is it possible to apply a little rear braking and/or rear brake also to slow oneself down? This has no effect on the steering or the front end and doesn't sit oneself up but can still have the desired effect. Its like dragging the bike to a slower speed with the rear brake which is less sensitive than the front? Obviously one is not going too fast and too heavy on the front end as that would throw the front end heavier and may lift the rear end and the rear wheel off the road surface which would render the rear brake ineffective. I am talking about the rear still being in contact with the road under normal road speed conditions.

[@kennethvernonprivate]

Another great video and technique. As soon as winter is over I'll be practicing....!!!

[@MCrider]

+scooter_kenny You need to move to Texas, still riding season here. :) Have a happy Thanksgiving!

[@USVIsteve]

A good way of stating it is to create a situation where the vehicle is as close to a 90° angle/perpendicular to the driving surface as possible before braking. Or to apply hard counter steering while smoothly applying brake force depending on the situation.😃

[@flashesofblack4128]

Many decades ago I was a motorcycle messenger for Western Union on Oahu Hawaii. One typical day I was going through a turn right in front of Iolani palace in downtown Honolulu. It was a pretty sharp turn and the pavement was wet from a recent rain. When well into the turn for some reason I needed to stop and quickly. I had already banked for the turn but put too much braking force on my front wheel and it broke traction and down I went. I did not get hurt and my motorcycle did not incur any damage. I picked the bike up and continued with my delivery route with my ego thoroughly damaged as I thought I was a good rider working for Western Union who only hired riders with no tickets or accidents.

[@zmadbunny]

Thank you for sharing this , we already should have been trained on situations like this thanx again

[@gutts077]

Good video mate. The graphics really helped in this. My two biggest fears as a motorcyclist are coming off round a corner and getting hit from behind. This vid will help anyone get better at the first of those two fears. Cheers

[@MCrider]

Well here you go, some tips for your 2nd fear. 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIKWZWyiaa2oqsU

[@MattFellowswasHere]

The static sag of the vehicle + the weight of the rider + the centrifugal mass of the spinning wheels mean that there is ALWAYS a load on the vehicle's tires when it is in motion or not (both gravitational and centrifugal). Acceleration will rise the vehicle's front, increasing load on the rear, deceleration will, inversely, load the front. Loading the tires INCREASES (not decreases) available traction because when the tires are loaded they're actually pressing each molecule of rubber FURTHER into the pavement. Because the tires will deform and deflect to maintain more or less the same aggregate contact patch..regardless of lean angle...the amount of available traction does not directly correlate to the angle of lean UNTIL the vehicle has no tire surface on which to ride...which...on 99% of motorcycles is well after hard parts are already touching asphalt. The reason traction is often lost under hard braking/hard leaning on a motorcycle is two-fold. 1) The amount of down-force on the rear can approach or equal zero. 2) Weight transfer itself coupled with the lack of equalization in loading (you're asking the tire to brake AND you're asking it to maintain a consistent contact patch throughout the turn) are non-complimentary forces.

[@jamalzughayar5833]

Great video, Kevin Thank you

[@jeremychildress3931]

Also don’t down shift a leaned motorcycle in a curve That’s no bueno

[@trippybruh1592]

That's really an advance technique for track racing only in a controlled environment. Some people think they're Rossi and that's what gets them killed.

[@dickjohnson5025]

Exactly, its the same as rear wheel braking in a turn.

[@Melizar]

May i ask why not? when you are downshifting you are using clutch, so it wont affect to motorbraking or the tires anyhow..

[@jeremychildress3931]

@@Melizar If you down shift in a curve with the bike leaned if your rpms are up a bit too much when you down shift it can cause the back tire to kick out

[@AMANKHANLLC]

You are doing good work, Im regretting that if i had seen these videos a few days back, so I might still be safe from this accident.

[@MrKijk007]

You can also buy a KTM with cornerABS / MSC ,MSC operation: When the rider brakes, pressure is built up in the brake lever [1]. This pressure is fed into the ABS module [2]. The module retrieves motorcycle position information from the tilt angle sensor [3] (tilt and rotation relative to the transverse axis) and additionally the grip level from the wheel speed sensors [4]. The black box [5] provides further relevant dynamic information, such as speed and position of the throttle valves. The optimum brake pressure calculated on the basis of this information is then transmitted via the ABS module to the front and rear brakes. You can also throw out the anchor at an angle of inclination - as long as the tyres can still build up braking force, the engine will slow down, without releasing the tyres from their proposal.

[@svenkilik]

great advice mate, thanks

[@231gareth231]

Idk if this gets seen, but what brakes were being applied ?? Both front and back or just back?

[@bbyangairui]

how about use the rear break in the Corner? is that gonna help tight up the line without lose traction?

[@RyanKaufman]

When braking for Technique 2, do you feel any feedback from the bike to know how much you can brake? Or do you just have to guess and hope you're not braking too much?

[@michaellawrence5492]

Any useful skill level believed gained had will be on the machine you are upon in that moment that matters. Machines can be noticed being different even if only slightly and it is you who must always be ready to adjust for it.

[@joemoscon7369]

Do you have a video on braking in curves when you are going way too fast and must finish the curve or go off the road? My instinct has always been when going in to hot in a curve---Stand it up - slow it down -Put it back in the turn - and turn.Thoughts?

[@lramsey4159]

A lot of this depends on the tire compound that a particular bike is running. softer = more traction and less mileage. harder = less traction and more mileage.

[@thesnos]

I understand why tot trail brake however unclear if using the rear brake or front is better/safer .. ?

[@brentwhitson5653]

Kevin, how does this square with your more recent episode regarding friction coefficient of ~0.9 for a Cruiser leaned to 'hard parts hitting' angle?. Not being argumentative, just wondering if you had new info for later episode or are both true for different reasons?.

[@DP-pe2xe]

Hi. What about this scenario. You are going through a fast curve in your 4th or 5th gear and need to stop quickly. How do you use engine braking in the process? Or do you use engine braking only once the bike is straightened. Also could you refer a bit to front-rear brake applying order, when it comes to hard braking i like to apply rear brake first because if I apply front brake first there is less traction left on rear tire. Is this correct? Looking forward to your answer. Djordje.

[@yvonnefarmer553]

Good advice to practice technique

[@testerpt5]

thanks for the vids! Salutations from Portugal

[@mikehiggins1031]

What do you think about shifting some of your body weight to the inside of the corner so you can make the bike a little more to the straight up and get more tire traction? I have done this at times when approaching unexpected sand, gravel or going too fast for road condition.

[@LT-us5qt]

Maybe a silly question but how many riding km or miles one needs till you could say you are not a beginner? I'm at 5000km and i think i ride okay but still feel like a beginner and still watching repeat learning videos. Lol

[@steveolp1099]

L Truong I think it depends less on your cumulative mileage and more on frequency of ride, difficulty of ride and conditions. A commuter who rides everyday in all conditions will obviously be a much better rider than a guy who weekend warriors it up and down main street. Watching videos and keeping the mindset of "I'm still learning" is great! It will keep you from getting cocky. I wouldn't worry about when you're not a beginner anymore, who cares!

[@michaelchadwick3497]

L Truong have rode for 53 years I learn something every time I leave my driveway

[@mahanbravo]

Just drive in india and if you survived for 3 months your not beginner anymore XD

[@brjgtm2011]

U will learn everyday ....

[@arride4590]

Break before the curve, GO SLOW applying gentle throttle to gain traction... Look ahead the curve where you need to go, DONT LOOK DOWN, so you will have enough time to do a safety stop after seeing for example a car stopped at the curve. Don't do the curve like you are in a race track.

[@Johny40Se7en]

Awesome tips, these ones could save your life. Ta very much again.

[@CyclingLifePT]

Thanks for sharing, i watch this channel because i ride a bicycle at an average speed of 30km/h. Before you start laughing, i do have to say that i learn a lot from this channel to drive at those speeds. About this video, i would like to know your opinion about bicycle emergency braking on curves: if you had the oportunity of countersteering as much as you do on a bicycle, would you recommend blocking the rear wheel to stop faster? (Bear in mind there is no engine driving the real wheel, no need to use the clutch or risk stalling the engine)

[@edinmiami5909]

Most ABS systems will not help you in a curve. But help is on the way, as high end KTMs and BMWs are now using lean-sensitive ABS systems developed by Bosch & Continental.

[@waynes.2983]

best place to learn this is on dirt bikes off road. Same principles apply. Even on loose gravel it becomes second nature after enough crashes.

[@evergreengunnut1621]

Please explain the rational of downshifting. In a panic/emergency situation, this could cause the rear tire to lose traction could it not? Especially in a corner.

[@dinhdatVN]

I was told that by using engine brake you can slow the rear tire without making them skid on the ground (or lose traction) like applying brakes.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

You're going to have the clutch in while you're doing this because failing to take the clutch in will result in the engine stalling. As long as the clutch is disengaged, the gear isn't going to have any effect on the rear wheel. You want to be in first gear because that way you can start going again immediately if need be. It's also the gear you're normally when stopped.

[@waynes.2983]

evergreengunnut rear wheel locking up on downshifts is not a problem if you rev match...which also takes lots and lots of practice.

[@sdqsdq6274]

depends on your bike i guess, for a 1000 cc the engine brake is full force

[@moto_jojo]

I thought this same thing, but as mentioned above, this all depends on your clutch control. However, this precision control of the clutch in a panic situation is something that should be either mastered or not used. In my opinion, if this technique is not master, but attempted in a panic, YES, you can easily lose traction by improper clutch control.

[@alaaaboudaher4136]

Which is the better brake to exert while on curve or leaving a curve? The front or rear?

[@donmoore7785]

A rider is lucky if he learns this while slipping into the oncoming lane while going around a right curve, and nothing is coming the other way! That's how I learned it.

[@Danny-fs1hk]

What a great video!

[@johncollera]

On technique 2 - gradually breaking to stand up, why you only mention using front brake only? Is it bad to use rear brake on this scenario?

[@ytashu33]

Great video. I have used technique1 a couple of times in the last couple of years. But like this video mentions, you may not have the luxury to straighten the bike, hence technique2. Which is something i have had to do once or twice, which made me scared, because i really didn't understand what my options were. This video made me think logically about that. I practice emergency braking all the time, but never "light braking while leaned over". I need to practice that. BUT, also a question: Did i hear this right, you recommend pulling in the clutch!!! That just seems wrong. That would get rid of any engine braking which might be assisting you in an emergency braking scenario, why would you take that off, and transfer that to the brake pads? I am sure you have your reasons, PLEASE EXPLAIN!!

[@keithpetersen8114]

I believe he said to downshift.

[@clintkistler8715]

recently skidded the rear all the way around the curve in sequences

[@Falorik]

How accurate is that Traction/Brake Force Chart?

[@renorzeta]

Who know? but it easier to present than just thinking out of blue. at least people who watching can get a correct translation. but, what he teaches it is a correct technique.

[@fredresz7773]

Because a split second before the graphic was created, it had been calibrated by top members of the state and federal Departments of Weights and Measures, to be dead-on balls accurate. Here's the certificate of validation. US Govt. Certified DOBA

[@Falorik]

@@fredresz7773 Just cause you cant take any use out of a accurate chart doesnt mean others cant as well.

[@fredresz7773]

@@Falorik - The only thing on this page that I can't "take any use out of" is that response. You appear to be arguing with yourself. Maybe you meant "Just because SOMEONE can't take..." because I was testifying to the accuracy of the chart which you had questioned, not questioning it's accuracy or usefulness. Or perhaps you meant to say "Just cause you CAN take use out of an accurate chart doesn't mean others CAN as well." I agree wholeheartedly that some can find value in things others cannot. That's the gift of wisdom, and some ain't got it. Trust this: There is value in everything Kevin uploads! Safe travels brother!

[@tygrr22]

Though you are not stopping, but how does this differ from when you are entering a curve and using trail braking? Does braking not load the front tire, creating more coverage area and allow for good slowing ability? ( I am a newer rider and this seems to conflict with what I have read about TB)

[@owloped405]

I thought applying the front break in a curve brought the bike down? And I though you can apply the rear but you have to do it very carefully.

[@SvenTviking]

I had to stop my BMW last week, on a freeway cloverleaf when traffic stopped in front of me. I was going around 75-80 mph and the bike was cranked right over. I did it by just braking as hard as I could without low siding, no room to stand the bike up. Luckily, me tyres were hot, due to the warm weather and me having being riding fast.

[@j-j.paradissis7311]

Nice video. But when you speak about the technique of starting to brake while leaned over, you mention to apply front brake , but would it not be better to use back brake only ????

[@MCrider]

+J-J. Paradissis you always want to stop with both brakes, 70 - 90% of your stopping power comes from the front brake.

[@gordonreed248]

Absolutely not. Your front brake will straighten the bike up and get you stopped faster. Rear only is a very old school approach that will eventually get you stopped but using both brakes will help you get going straight where you can use maximum braking. I routinely use some front brake on every stop, even if I am going in a circle and arriving at a stop sign for a routine stop. It helps me learn how much brake I can afford to brake in a curve.

[@BigBadLoneWolf]

i ride a honda VFR 800 as well as a venture, very different brakes on each bike. the VFR has dual brakes, in that when the front brake is applied it uses 4 pistons in each of the front calipers and 1 in the rear caliper. the rear uses 2 pistons and 1 in each of the front calipers. The Venture can lock the rear brake very easily bit never the front as it is only 2 piston calipers and not very effective, so i have to allow a lot of extra breaking distance on the venture and therefore following distance of at least 4 seconds at highway speeds

[@johnfair62]

Hello Kevin, I have been watching your videos and have subscribed to your channel. I really appreciate the training and the time you put into your videos. Being concerned with safety is great. However I know you said your videos are always going to be free. I think that is awesome. I went to your web page to support you, but I found you have it set up for those that pay more get more. Sometimes Kevin those that are paying less are giving more because they are giving you more than they can. If a person gives you three dollars and they only have six, they have given more then the person giving you five dollars and they have a hundred. I would like to suggest you change it to accept whatever a person can pay and give equally instead of the rich get more mentality. We have to much of that in this world. Being a Christian myself, I treat everyone the same. I think you will find you will gain more by allowing people to give what their heart can give you instead of the worldly system you have now. I can honestly tell you, your instruction videos are priceless. You are saving the lives of people you never met and will never know how many lives were saved because of you. I watch your videos everyday and if I could afford it I would pay you to keep making them and make them mandatory training for all motorcycle riders. God Bless..Warm regards John

[@scottkessler186]

Hi Kevin, you failed to mention the wisdom of winding back the throttle in a corner and righting the bike. A lot of riders think that keeping the throttle on and trying ride through the corner leaned over is the best technique. Going harder in a bad situation is not the way to maintain control in my experience. If I'm going to hot into a corner I'm unfamiliar with I will back off and choose a new line and this has saved me numerous times whereas my riding friends say dump it and go hard and fight the corner. Do you have an opinion or advice for this situation?

[@ababbit7461]

Scott, watch the video series Street Smarts. Street Smarts 2 has racers answering questions about riding. Your question is answered in that video. Street Smarts (the 3 part series) is on KZbin so it is free. When you back off the throttle in the corner, you reduce ground clearance on your bike. If you are on a HD, the ground clearance may be the difference between hard parts hitting the pavement and lifting your rear tire off the ground. The best solution is to stop going hot into the corners because only one thing good can come out of that approach, YOU LIVE this time. Next time, you may end up a veggie for the rest of your life. Risk and reward is not worth it. Drink Red Bull if you want your Adrenal Glands to produce that "Adrenaline Rush." It is safer.

[@abdulrockman3992]

Hey Kevin, what brake should I use when turning? Front or rear?

[@juancarlosplacencia]

Both

[@faithhanson284]

When I'm coming to a stop my bike leans a little to the left or right and I can't figure out what I'm doing to cause this. I can confirm the front wheel is straight. Is it possibly my body position or hand position on the grips?

[@fatbob3256]

I ride a street750 bike. it has a tendency to fishtail and cause accidents. i was told that this particular bike requires a 70% front brake - 30%rear braking. then the bike wont fish tail. I did practice it and got it going as a muscle memory, but what is fish tailing. why does it occur and how do i overcome this?

[@pinoguarino3641]

Great videos Kevin - Thank you. When you engage 1st gear and (presumably) release the clutch if you are going quickly would the rear wheel not lock?

[@MCrider]

+Pino Guarino Hey Pino, the clutch is squeezed and not released in this scenario. The brakes do all the stopping.

[@vincentdehaen5663]

Hi Kevin! Thx for all the informative videos. I am really enjoying them! I am wondering why it is necessary to shift down to first gear... isn't it going to be too much distraction when you are actually trying to avoid the crash? Thx in advance for your answer and keep the good videos coming! I really appreciate that you are trying to keep us safe! Thank you!

[@philipkrieg]

why would you waste any of your concentration on shifting, when the clutch is pulled anyways?! your only job is to brake...nothing else. You can downshift after you stopped...if you forget to do it, worst thing to happen is that your motor dies. Way better than to crash into something but at least having been in 1st. Don't get it!

[@alimacallan3814]

Philip Krieg by downshifting you can use some engine braking too as you will roll off the throttle. you shouldn't pull the clutch in until the engine has almost stalled.

[@UFO-047]

i know its 4 years but no one else replied. You down shift to first in an emergency stop so you can take off in a hurry if it it needed. You dont just need to stop fast you need to be able to escape if the one behind or someone else cant stop

[@velysean7031]

Now what If you are on a highway doing 60 on a one lane on ramp turning and you can go straight at all cause there is a barrier?

[@robsonenduro3316]

yeah, it's weird that nobody actually teach new riders about trail braking. Essential skill for safe and quick cornering.

[@jztgatjdtkgt]

With the second braking technique, do you recommend equal pressure to front and back brakes or trail braking with the rear brake and then front brake as you stand the bike up?

[@MCrider]

+2ndchildhood I use equal pressure initially and a progressive squeeze on the front as I am able to stand the bike up. Just have to go easy on the brakes as it is leaned over.

[@philipborbon4200]

Is technique 2 trail braking?

[@esiuol360girl19]

When you say apply breaks are you referring to front back or both brakes?

[@juancarlosplacencia]

Both

[@cueballB]

How to stop a bike quickly in a curve? Yammie Noob'd say all it takes is a yellow Porche. Baddum tsss

[@MCrider]

+cueballB That's bad. Funny but bad.

[@oklahomahank2378]

cueballB A big rock will work as well.

[@Supernova12034]

or just start crossing yellow lines in a blind curve

[@Blazethebest3]

dont forget some loose gravel

[@NatesEscape]

cueballB apparently he wanted to see the moon up close

[@judgedredd49]

If at a speed and with little escape on a narrow road its got to be understood that if leaning over on a bend there is a loss of braking capacity available to you. As said you cannot use 100% but with say a 30 % lean angle then you still have some 70% of braking capacity left. However that should never be used all at one time as in snatching the brakes but applied gently and progressively. This ability to brake would be much lower if we add that you are now on a wet road as one already has lost anything up to 20% of traction being on the wet so with adding a 30 % lean angle plus wet road then one has only some 50% of braking capacity left. That means that the distance that you can stop in will be extended by the lack of braking power that you have and so if on a bend in the wet and something causes you to brake and its close to you you will not be able to brake in the same distance that you could have should the road had been dry. It may be that your braking distance is now twice what it should be or even more. Perhaps that's why we should double our braking distances on a wet road but perhaps even that will not be enough if finding the need to brake on a bend in the wet.

[@df3yt]

What about bikes with abs? can't you just do max brakes?

[@Ryan.......]

Only new, advanced abs systems that are only available in very expensive bikes work while turning because they take the bike's lean angle into account when modulating traction available for braking. A standard abs system works by comparing wheel speeds. If one suddenly stops while the other is still rolling, the system interprets that as the stopped wheel locking and releases brake pressure. In a straight line, all available traction can go to braking, so that works. But in a turn, some traction is used for the turn, so the tire's traction limit can be reached and exceeded without wheel lock. That means traditional abs will no work.

[@df3yt]

Thanks

[@zachp7603]

If you have curve abs yes... But that is a different advanced kind of abs.

[@AwesomesMan]

Why do you need to down shift to first if you have the clutch pulled? I'd say concentrate on braking and then downshift to first afterwards.

[@rustyshackleford6092]

I think the idea is to get down to first gear while emergency braking because - once fully stopped - you may need to take off again quickly to get out of a following vehicle's the way. I was taught to check my mirrors once stopped for this very reason. It is a lot to get used to, I agree.

[@petercivitello3587]

I do have to say that a Harley touring rear brake pedal is a little bit too big and works way to good in a panic type stop that darn thing has woke me me up once or twice. Remember big toe only 😬

[@kahiantid2611]

why is it that. when I'm in a corner say going to the left. the bike drifts to the right. it has never happened to me till now. I have a 2012 hayabusa with shinko tires.

[@Supernova12034]

This is why you do all your breaking/slowing down *BEFORE* you get to the turn/curve, Slow in, fast out, works for Motogp, will work for you too. the bike is more stable when it is upright, when the bike is leaned over, you want to be as smooth as possible, dont do anything that might upset the bike. (that means, braking, shifting, having choppy or un smooth throttle). And yes he is bang on, if you absolutely, positively have to brake in a curve, *Bring the bike upright* before braking

[@Dangerousrobb]

Supernova12034 motogp racers brake into corners (trail braking) Trail braking is the opposite of technique #2 listed in video Not something I'd advise a beginner to do

[@Supernova12034]

better to not be practiced on the street unless you have a lot of track experience. Due to : Gravel, roadkill, oil/water, Traffic, potholes etc

[@Dangerousrobb]

Supernova12034 definitely Much better off straightening the bike up first if possible It's best learned on track, though a clean empty parking lot is serviceable Too many people get caught up in being street Rossis and get in over their head in traffic

[@Supernova12034]

Only morons ride aggressively on the street, see: YammieNoob

[@Supernova12034]

all while his license was suspended and insurance coverage so minimal it wouldn't cover a roach much less a person

[@danthechippie4439]

Great video

[@HB-ct8hh]

Without having abs brakes, and relying upon technique 2, it appears you are only using the front brakes in a curve. What about the rear brakes? I've experienced locking up rear brake, which can result in a high-side over crash! It seems in a panic situation, it's easiest to get used to using the front brakes rather than mess with trying to balance the braking pressure between the front and rear brakes.

[@harleygrady5054]

Do you apply the rear brake as well when stopping in a curve or only the front brake?

[@jamesmegill]

My question is: what is the best technique when on a curve downhill and traffic in front of you slows very quickly, and you have already picked your speed and you line on the road and things suddenly change? I almost crashed in this situation because I was scared to use the brakes leaned over and had to emergency brake when the road straightened out. Help me out🏍🏍🏍

[@MCrider]

Greater following distance so you have time to adjust your line/speed.

[@touristguy87]

You are makibg the same mistake here as in your earlier video. The most important thing is to ease on the front brake as soon as possible...find your "out", steer towards it, straighten the bike, maximize front brake gradually while pulling in the clutch. Leave the rear alone and focus on maximum front brake without locking up the tire. Every second that you delay using the front brake throws away critical stopping distance. You can shift down before releasing the clutch. Only a true idiot would waste time and distance downshifting instead of braking with the clutch in.

[@Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52]

Thanks buddy! Cool channel!

[@zachp7603]

I would never use the front break in a curve. I always use the rear of needed, straighten it out and then use both. This goes against what I practiced so far. Can someone clarify? He was going pretty low speed in these videos and the curve was nothing serious. I think in faster speeds and tighter curves this technique isn't right.

[@whelennut]

how about riding in the woods after dark? deer avoidance

[@nethfel6387]

I was riding home at night in weather I didn't want to be (heavy rain) in on a bike new to me the other day on a windy road (the Trace) and a dear decided to run across my path. Thankfully I was on a straight stretch when the dear did its thing and I could use my brakes and narrowly avoided it - I think my night would have been much worse if it had happened on a curve...

[@frogmanjack8790]

What to do when coming off the highway doing 65 and getting off at a exit that is like full circle

[@kemariomajors7051]

Slow down before entering the curve

[@steveholman5978]

So, let me get this straight. If you're in a situation where you can't straighten the bike out.....you straighten the bike out anyway but slow down a little first before crashing into the car in the other lane or flying off the side of the mountain.

[@michaellawrence5492]

Practice is the key to build controlled reflex time up for this vision triggered needed reaction which can save your life and others... At the beginning having time to rehearse it as thinking thoughts summed up you can work out all these physics to understand the whys and hows this all works. However again if you want it to become most effective in being a well conditioned reflex triggered by sight you must "always practice" this felt experience to your level of conditioned control also to maintain this level and or recognize any decline of it heavens forbid .

[@zapopper]

Thanks