Use the front brake in a curve?

[@thomasblake7046]

Learned this in Champ School. Changed my riding. I'm fearful of nothing mid corner now. I can tighten up my radius or slow more at will. Game changer. Everyone should learn this.

[@clemc5457]

Thanks Jerry. I like this video so much better than watching your students fall down.

[@randyallen2771]

Good job bringing these concepts to your viewers. They’re very important for real world riding. Thanks Jerry!

[@rexcroson2469]

Great explanation for front brake in a curve, a better understanding of proper technics makes all of us safer riders.

[@JR-tf9gy]

I watch your videos often. They had me on a tiny little 140 dirtbike, in the riding course that I took. I had to do the ministry test for my license on it as well. When I got home, I pretty much re- taught myself on my Sportster 1200, via watching your videos. One of your lessons that I watched saved me from being badly hurt. Thank you!!!

[@motorman857]

You're welcome, glad I helped.

[@stevena3446]

You must have covered every curve in Florida on this video! Nice job

[@Bill3558]

Love your videos, have been watching you for years. I’m lucky enough to live in Hendersonville NC. Using your technique I love carving the turns up here. Current favorite Jeter Mountain Road. You have to be on your toes.

[@bigdawgqc]

I use the front brake in the twisties of Western NC all the time. Took a lot a of practice but it helps with handling if done properly.

[@juanruiz1260]

Awesome Paladino, there’s always something to learn from experience riders like you. Thank you for what you do because I can be forgetful. Forgetting important principles can be very dangerous.

[@wadeblake3451]

Well said and demonstrated. Nice to see the top KZbinrs emphasizing the same concepts/techniques.

[@motorman857]

Glad you liked it!

[@fearsomename4517]

I was a little nervous to watch this but that's just how I do it. Thanks Motorman you made my day! Stay safe and stay in the wind!

[@masonmax1000]

i took this advise seriously and it has actually saved my ass when I entered a corner too fast. squeezed the break and it did tighten my turn.

[@sroth8087]

I’m going to try front braking today! Thanks from Maryland.

[@CC-ys8qq]

Your videos are so helpful, thankyou. I hit the front brake too hard when I first got my bike parking it, hit the front and dropped it so I learned my lesson. I'm hesitant to use the front brake too much because of that but working on overcoming that, especially in a curve, thanks for posting this. That surprise in the curve is where I'd use this most, easy go easy lol.

[@NeilFLiversidge]

You explain the physics behind the stuff I've done instinctively all my life.

[@motorman857]

The only thing that kept me from going to Harvard and getting a doctorate in physics was high school.🤣.

[@acherouvis]

Great tutorials , I appreciate the instruction. Your simplicity in explaining makes it easy to understand.

[@motorman857]

Thank you.

[@raycarter5388]

I am a new driver, your videos are great.

[@motorman857]

Welcome aboard!

[@mikeclark3013]

Where I live in East Tennessee there are many curvy roads, the Dragon being perhaps the most well known. Trail braking, outside-in (or inside-out), and counter steering are must have techniques for negotiating the curves. And, as I’ve heard you say in your videos, head and eyes!

[@RandyCRR]

I know everything, but I’ll watch anyway. Kidding. Thanks Jerry!

[@jimkoch1040]

Good video Motorman. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@motorman857]

No problem 👍

[@KennethwadeMaddix]

I like everything that you show on there

[@tarynsanmartino8930]

Ahhh, the finesse of it all. Nice

[@jonathansmith283]

very good review MOTOR MAN . jerry - can you add in - going up a steep hill where there is a traffic light at the top - best way to stop in traffic , on a hill , and then continuing . id appreciate that concept. be safe ~ JDS/CT

[@Clone.76]

Learned this riding bicycles, applied this to the motorbike seemed like a no brainer

[@tomfillmore9710]

Thanks for the advice Jerry good video take care and enjoy your weekend

[@motorman857]

Thanks, you too!

[@garystults6322]

Love your videos. Very informative. What about linked brakes also engaging the rear when applying the front.

[@alvintarrer6914]

Great information brother

[@juliansiuksta2805]

This would take some adjustment for me, having learned the Keith Code method, of getting all braking done, before Corner Entry, then rolling on throttle, coming out. Although Trail braking would be ideal in The Wet.

[@sifuerik]

I suggest you stick to Keith Code!!!

[@bikerbrinrac]

Yep a little bit of front only brake is good depending on the corner speed. Your mufflers do sound good 👍

[@motorman857]

Thanks 👍

[@Fobes]

Going to practice this today.

[@swiss9632]

Love your tips! Thanks.

[@motorman857]

Glad you like them!

[@Youraveragenj]

Thanks Jerry. This is truly valuable information. For my understanding, when you mentioned rolling off the throttle, are you indicating zero throttle when you slightly squeeze the front brake? The way I do it, I roll off the throttle to match the entry speed posted or a little above. I then hold the brake lightly (Front or Rear) especially if the corner is blind. When I see the exit, I stand the bike up and add more throttle. Am I correct here?

[@motorman857]

No. You don't want to have front brake and throttle at the same time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2m0iHpnh759qMU

[@GixxerRider1991]

You can rev match and engine brake to slow down a bit as well before the curve.

[@mr.knowitall6440]

I really appreciate you Motorman! 🤙😎

[@motorman857]

🤙

[@georgecostanza2695]

I was a little worried when I saw the title, because there’s a lot of misinformation on this subject. But worry not because Jerry was right as usual👍In fact the key was even presented within the first minute when he said, “the front tire will take a tremendous amount of force, but what it won’t take is an abrupt force.” I know that’s true because I did it in a class, on a track, and riding a bike that had outriggers (training wheels). When leaned over, you’ll go down at any speed on any surface if you snatch at that right lever. But when applying a smooth, gradual braking force, and I could barely squeeze hard enough to tuck that front tire.

[@_DB.COOPER]

Thank you.

[@PincheBuzo]

When you come into a corner a little to hot, whats the best move to correct going wide? Im a fairly low key rider, but have misjudged how tight a corner is. Thankfully no oncoming traffic was there.

[@motorman857]

First thing to do is watch the above video since I answer that exact question several times.

[@darrellb6583]

Just finished Basic Rider Course. I like to cover the front break all the time. The instructor said to never have your hands / fingers on the clutch or break, only put them there when you need the clutch or break?

[@motorman857]

Never listen to that guy, again.

[@danielhildebrand6892]

Big thing to add with newer bikes with integrated brakes vs an old bike may be a few differences. I used trail braking front and rear.

[@motorman857]

Linked brakes make no difference in trail braking or low speed turns. They only have an effect when braking hard in a stop from high speeds and you make the mistake of using only one brake.

[@danielhildebrand6892]

@@motorman857 thanks. Ive only ridden a early 2000s BMW R1150RT with the linked brakes and absolutely hated them. But wasnt as experienced as i am today when i rode them. Seemed like even a tiny bit of rear brake the fronts would come on fairly firmly.

[@olenilsen4660]

@@danielhildebrand6892 I never tried those linked brakes, but the mere idea of it disgusts me. I want to be in complete control of my bike, I don´t want it to apply forces where I don´t intend to apply them! Dragging rear brake really shifts the geometry of the bike compared to only maxing out the front, with the rear wheel free. Now, I get that it sounds extreme, but once in a while, you´ll find yourself in a bit of an odd situation. In those cases, that is when I really need my bike to perform according to my inputs only, and not think of doing anything else. One near-death example: I was riding a seriously steep gravel road downhill, on a F800GS. These bikes with ABS can toggle ABS on or off. Not select which wheels ABS will apply to. So ABS is a great feature on gravel, to avoid locking up your front wheel, which will send you into mother earth in 0.2 seconds. Now, the one thing I´ve never been told, and never experienced until that day, is that if your rear is also ABS, when you get to a hairpin on a gravel road and brake hard, ABS will send you straight off the cliff! If you could lock it up however, the rear wheel would pivot around your front tire, to help you through the turn. In effect, my safety feature (ABS) now actively wanted to send me off the face of a cliff. That´s when I switched it off in order to have a fully operational rear brake for the rest of my descent. I love ABS on the front, I don´t have the skills to benefit from a locked front wheel, but it is a prime example of a system built for safety that actively disobeys its task because it simply does not have enough information. This comment is far too long already, but if anyone read this far, my only wish for future "tecnology upgrades" on any bike, anywhere, is that it should always be easily customizable by the rider, and they should never have to change these settings every time they start up their bike. Settings should be remembered, so that you always set your arse down on a bike you know will do what you want. Because most people do these settings once, and it will fulfil their needs. Changing this every time you turn the key serves only the purpose of annoying people that payed an obscene amount of money for their toy...

[@motorman857]

@@olenilsen4660 here's me with my Harley with linked brakes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3yTnZ6ifcihjac See any problem with the brakes being linked?

[@olenilsen4660]

@@motorman857 I know they will be helping out in most situations, that´s not what I was commenting about. I´m just saying there might be situations where you want 100% control of what each wheel does. I can´t really think of any situation on paved roads, but on gravel roads, there are plenty options.

[@Towerrat45]

Can you do a video riding the Dragon? Not many curves in Florida.

[@motorman857]

Ride Like a Pro on the Dragon, video is available at ridelikeapro.com for just 15 dollars.

[@merrellreed5494]

Awesome info thank you 😊

[@motorman857]

Glad it was helpful!

[@imants.cekusins]

Which is safer in case of decreasing turn radius when going through a turn: apply front brake or counter-steer to lean more?

[@motorman857]

It depends on the speed and the turn. If you're already scraping the boards or pegs, the front brake. Squeeeeeze.

[@karenshoucairmcgray4902]

Thank you Motorman! 😊

[@motorman857]

Welcome!

[@drainmonkeys385]

It’s kind of funny how… I went 30 years without riding.. I’m back.. I bought a Sportster, traded for street Bob.., traded for lowrider st…. And also bought a road glide.. a week after I got the lowrider.. lol. I’ve got buddies/ acquaintances that ride.. they seemed almost offended that I have 2 nice bikes.. I a.so took classes.. and I watch all these videos and I practice slow speed drills,, They almost seemed to laugh that I would practice… like they think.. I don’t know how to ride.. and they do…. But I have put on just shy of 10,000 miles in the past 6 months… they probably would put on a thousand a year.. I was riding with one.. the biggest offender in my mind… just a few days ago.. he’s on a street glide.. and thinks he’s the greatest most knowledgeable person ever… he got a surprise when I was riding circles around him.. and he knew it…. That’s the best part.. is he knows I am already a better rider than him, and he knows I know it.. it was painfully obvious.. he can’t do a u turn.. not every time anyway.. he’s an ok rider .. but he can’t stop his bike with both feet up.. I noticed every stop.. his feet were on the ground . He’s lucky he’s tall which makes it easier to balance his bike. But every u turn.. his foot was down.. and you could see lack of confidence.. kinda made my day… I practice drills all the time.. every ride starts out with a few minutes of drills,, through the parking lot.. I have a great place to do it,, lots of mediums to round about on, to my figure 8 drills etc…

[@hni7458]

"I'm gonna pick up some speed so I can practise using that front brake." In all honesty, Jerry, that's what it's all about to me. Trail braking is great I know that, all ppl don't. But here when a road is twisty, the speed limit generally is 70 km/h, and then however little I'm trail braking I lose too much speed in the bend. This esp at wide bends. The No1 priority is Positioning - and if that's obtained it's a breeze to pass the bend.

[@413prototype]

As usual, excellent instruction! Does this also apply when going down a steep decline such as Mulholland drive, or should the rear brake be used instead? It appears that physics would take over and cause the rear to start sliding while using the front brake in a sharp hairpin curve on a steep decline.

[@motorman857]

If you're talking about a 10 or 12 mph turn, use the rear brake. Anything above that speed, front brake. But make sure you squeeeeeze that front brake. Don't snatch it or grab it.

[@413prototype]

Thanks for the clarification Jerry. I’m riding in Italy now and these hairpin turns can be a bit tricky. Normally I’m going through the curve around 10-20mph…it that. The rear braking technique has helped a lot, especially going up. I’ll keep in mind the front braking technique as appropriate.

[@leviefrauim1425]

It's so friggin' hot out- how can you ride in this weather, Jerry?

[@motorman857]

I just suck it up.

[@synthsploration9523]

Are those Reinhardts? Your bike sounds so sweet.

[@motorman857]

www.tabperformance.com 4" tab performance slip on's with the medium baffles.

[@jeffreyfisher6723]

Still riding from 1967 !!!!

[@oleskewl6869]

There’s some value in trail braking, but there’s more value in preparing for the turn by slowing down beforehand. 👍

[@motorman857]

Unless of course, you've slowed down beforehand, and then there's a deer standing in your way as you round the corner.

[@oleskewl6869]

@@motorman857 - not a lot of those in FL, mostly, so you and I should be fine, mostly. 😎

[@azmika85]

@@motorman857 Which is exactly what happened to me last year. 🤷

[@danielhildebrand6892]

First time i tried this on my old Road King it blew me a way. Takes a bit of getting used to but in my parts with windy roads and switchbacks its very helpful

[@motorman857]

@@oleskewl6869 There is plenty of deer in Florida. Ride thru 40 across the Ocala forest at dawn or dusk and you'll see herds of deer.

[@gregggorman6197]

My lightbulb has been off for years

[@cheezyridr]

in my mind, the 2 most important resources a rider can use are ride like a pro, and the book "proficient motorcycling" by david hough

[@wiIlybobo]

Jerry are you using any friction zone at all while going through turns?? Novice rider.

[@marksmallman4572]

no

[@bradlozano2571]

I learned to ride on 70's era inline 4 cylinder Jap Bikes using engine braking(downshifting) with mostly Front Brake and a little Back Brake.....And i use the same tech with Big Vtwin Cruisers including HD's.....Works great for me the last 44years....👍😎

[@scatpack440]

Trailbraking

[@traeucity6087]

This doesn't apply to turns, does it?

[@stanleysimpson4646]

Amen

[@gba2821]

I believe your Harley applies both front and hear brakes simultaneously no matter the one you are acting on.

[@motorman857]

Watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6fEpWZ5aJKoZ8U

[@georgebrowne5935]

When you need to touch the front brake on a bend, just means you made an error on your planning for that corner. Expect the Unexpected at all times. Slow in, fast out. Trail braking should be used and practised on a track in a safe environment if required. My Opinion. It's a bit different if you are an expert track rider, which most riders are not.

[@davidleaghty2943]

I've only dumped the front wheel 2 times. Once on a gravel road. 2. On an ice patch.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

1 finger on the brake for mils slowing, 2 fingers for stop quick, a full fist for ohhhh shi☆t

[@motorman857]

I do what the best riders in the world do since that's who trained me. 2 fingers on the front brake.

[@gottfriedj1647]

Some ppl will argue that you’re lugging the engine. I see your RPMs are under 2 and you shift under 3.

[@motorman857]

I'm sure ''some people'' know a lot more about riding motorcycles than I do since I'm only a certified motor officer instructor with 100's of hours of training; the number one selling motorcycle instructional videos and 25 years of experience training riders.

[@gottfriedj1647]

Many of my riding techniques are from your lessons@@motorman857 there is no end for RPM talk in the forums. Can you pls make a video about the subject? So you don't lug under 2K RPM when a lot of ppl say not under 2200

[@LouiseJackson-h8m]

Down shifting to slow is my habit. Braking in a group ride is annoying to those behind you.

[@rugershooter5268]

Conversing with utubr advocating trail braking and he admits.....you are more likely to screw up using front brake than using back brake, and if screw up using front brake it will be worse than screwing up using back brake Any means of slowing adds weight to the front tire, the front tire has lots of weight on it already, set a 2x4 on jack and find place where it will lift front and back tire equally......that spot is way up front Using front brake while leaning will raise you up, back brake will not.....yes yes yes if everything good then you are just barely applying the brake....if you accelerate it will raise the bike up from lean...the acceleration you do is only applying power to the rear wheel (not coasting) if you are in the correct gear, when you gently roll off the throttle you will slow down(engine braking) without using brakes and without dangers of screw up from brake usage

[@motorman857]

It might be a good idea for you to know what the best riders in the world do, and in the most extreme situations, no less. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jafVmKFrltCCo5Y and this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYGoZ2qOpqymjJY

[@tapher7721]

"Trail-breaking is an advanced technique utilized by sports bike riders."

[@motorman857]

Trail braking is a life-saving technique that should be used by all riders. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jafVmKFrltCCo5Y

[@jeffreyfisher6723]

Your Wrong! About riding the Brake in a corner. I been riding all over World and was US Navy instructor in Europe for Motorcycle. Learn how to counter turn in the corner. The biggest thing is to know the road surface and angle of the road.

[@motorman857]

Uhhh, right sure. All the best riders in the world, are wrong and your right. Tell that to these guys kzbin.info/www/bejne/jafVmKFrltCCo5Y and this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKqUcnx3mJxph9E