Measured Response: Bill Nye VS Pseudoscience (Part One)

Bill Nye has gone too far this time. All the way to THE TRUTH! He'll pay for this!
This is part one, recorded before I left for VidCon but not finished editing until after I got back.
This video features a common staple of response videos: Lots of still images where I just talk for a bit. I hope my lack of tricks to distract you from my idiocy doesn't tank me
Twitter: / hbomberguy
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Armoured Skeptic's Video: • Video
Special thanks to Nyanners ( / taylornyanners ) for doing some readings, and Horikawa Otane ( / msotane ) for helping me check sources!
Some sources:
SOME SOURCES FOR THE GIANT LIST OF STUDIES AND PAPERS INVOLVING GENDER EXPRESSION:
yale.summon.ser...
On the null hypothesis fallacy:
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Example of theists shifting the goalposts:
www.orthodoxchr...
Music from Incompetech, Visager, and the Final Fantasy Mystic Quest soundtrack

[@theinfantmetroid]

hearing hbomb say that he did not intend for this 35 minute video to get "this long" is absolutely surreal in 2022

[@owenmason8437]

"i didn;t mean for it to get this long" (PART ONE)

[@sarcastichearts]

roblox oof

[@JacobIczkowski]

Yeah, he made a 2-hour long video on the Roblox Oof sound, and then 3/4s of it was dedicated to talking about Tommy Tallarico.

[@Necroskull388]

Also, hearing Nyanners narrate some of the internet comments near the start of an Hbomb video is absolutely wild in current year

[@KittensLeftFoot]

@@sarcastichearts The one before Roblox was double the length of Roblox

[@endiciez6465]

"They had a guy who wanted America to be renewable and a guy who thinks that's a fantasy world! It's really well balanced!" M A X I M UM C E N T R I S M

[@porygonlover322]

hey at least its more honest than a guy who thinks global warming is real and a guy who thinks its all a hoax

[@modmaciek]

In practice though the effect is largely the same, if you're exposed to the hoax dude all you end up doing is questioning whether it's real and not being motivated to do anything, and if you're exposed to the 'be more realistic everything is fine industry is solving things', you still aren't motivated to do anything and the world keeps burning. Sometimes doing nothing is as powerful of a choice as doing anything. And this is why the status quo centrism, at least when viewed from a left-leaning lens is so destructive, because it gives the illusion of balance while ignoring the context. The context being if we don't fucking do SOMETHING we risk not having a habit for 90% of the worlds population within 50-100 years. And that's just talking about the sea level rise, who knows what the acidification of the oceans will do, who knows what all those casdading events will do when that shit finally spirals out of control. So ya, fuck centrism.

[@asteroidrules]

Amazing how the principles that make democratic society function have become a dirty word.

[@modmaciek]

which principles would that be?

[@asteroidrules]

Centrism.

[@francocarrizosparosvich4638]

"This is too political" = "this is too different from my own political perspective"

[@justaburgscousin]

True, but you act like you wouldn't do the same thing? Let me answer that for you. You would. IDK what your political views are, but imagine someone you were a fan of talks about a political topic you were passionate about and had the exact opposite opinion. You probably would want them to shut up about politics so you could continue enjoying whatever it is they do. Or is your identity solely based on your political perspective?

[@Diinytro]

@@justaburgscousin That's a lot to extrapolate from 1 sentence...

[@michelsand5399]

Diinytro mfckers be psychically linking through youtube now.

[@Nerobyrne]

it depends on what the art is and how it's executed. Personally, I'd be more offended with something that's badly inserted over something that is well made but doesn't agree with my personal views. But then that's more a criticism of the media itself and not of the concept of political messages in media. What I really like are video games specifically that allow me to express my own moral and political leanings in choices and see how the game plays them out. But that's super hard to do so I get that it's not a common thing.

[@JanderVK]

​@@justaburgscousin Maybe projecting?

[@fatherd4413]

Skeptic: "What IS gender expression?" Me, a bit stoned: Bro he is TELLING YOU that's the SHOW

[@frimi8593]

That bit felt so similar to a tucker Carlson segment. “Just asking questions”

[@fatherd4413]

@@frimi8593 LMAO you right, you right

[@HorstEwald]

Hahahaha! I'm taking a dumb and you made me laugh. Thank you

[@ethanstyant9704]

Says the word gender and hundreds of people go into a catatonic state from the shock

[@swordwarriormagewizard]

Felt the same dam way. He literally just said all science knows!

[@simonk4174]

I don't like that the anti-sjw community now gets called the skeptic community. Skepticism is very important and they donnot get to have a monopoly on it. They aren't even good at it.

[@MicahZale]

Exactly, I consider myself to be somewhat of a skeptic because I don't simply accept facts presented to me as such. This is pretty valuable, especially in an era of what some call information warfare. This does NOT mean that I immediately reject information presented to me that opposes my viewpoints, or even that there is any political bias whatsoever to what I believe. Like what you said, the actions and existence of the anti-sjw 'skeptic community' dilutes the meaning of the word they SELF IDENTIFY with continually. They're so bad at it that it makes me wonder if they even understand what skeptic means at all! To me it seems like they choose to be contrarian because they are offended by the opinions of those who don't share their worldview. It really makes me happy to see positive comments from all sides on this video, but especially those who admit their opinion has altered from watching. You people are the true skeptics. Also if you read this, have a nice day!

[@mustangwolf1997]

It's more that people who have unfounded or illogical beliefs love to lump themselves in with skeptics to try and give some justification to the things they say and do in relation to these beliefs. Morons trying to scapegoat their actions. And skeptics are the scapegoat.

[@daredrogers3884]

@@mustangwolf1997 That kinda makes me sad for the non moronic skeptics.

[@ZonaGreenTea]

real skeptics are getting a bad rep bc anti-sjws are full of themselves lmao

[@nathanlevesque7812]

Skepticism is by in large what leads me to positions that get me labeled an SJW by idiots who have no other way of telling me I'm wrong.

[@851852093114208513]

"It's trendy for boys to wear makeup" - a man who has apparently never been to public school

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+Eric B. All of those bullies with the intent of being homophobic and transphobic are just _jealous_ of that boy slaying the non-conformity game.

[@CommieApe]

@@cosmicjenny4508 More men should wear makeup theyd look better.

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+God Of Spaghett Agreed - eye liner on certain guys is just incredible.

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

@@CommieApe I have never seen a blush that goes with my beard.

[@augustwest5356]

Right? There has ALWAYS been guys wearing make up.

[@reginaldbarclay1637]

It says a lot about the "skeptic" community that the phrase "we need to treat trans people like humans" is a refreshing thing to hear from one of them.

[@GoddoDoggo]

@@Sky-mh1vh He seemed less "upset" and more like he thought it was "cringe-y." Which is still not great and very "dudebro," but is more of an indication of a discomfort with change and adapting than actual hard intolerance.

[@americantoastman7296]

@@GoddoDoggo lmao I need to know what that comment said

[@noambracha2495]

@@GoddoDoggo what he said?

[@katacutie]

It's not. One guy saying dumb shit doesn't mean an entire "community (I'm not even sure we can talk about a community here, since skeptics don't Have to share any views or beliefs)" will think in that exact same way, or even close to it. You're making the mistake Armoured Skeptic has done: asserting non proven facts based on your personal feelings/lack of knowledge on a matter

[@reginaldbarclay1637]

@@katacutie I put "skeptic" in quotes because I was referring to the crowd of right-wing idiots who use "skepticism" as an excuse for ignorance and intellectual uncuriousity. Skepticism is good because it means you're open to further questions and knowledge, not because it makes you "win" an argument.

[@AngryNerdBird]

It's so weird to hear somebody say "Gender expression is just fashion!" as if that's a dismissal of what it is, and not LITERALLY WHAT IT IS. It's how you express your gender, which includes things like FASHION. He is SO CLOSE to getting it, but that was never going to happen because his entire goal was to be against it before he even saw it.

[@purp4168]

I think he means the "trendiness" of exploring gender, but he could have meant that as well, which would have been more positive i think

[@Shadesight]

AngryNerdBird, I know this is old but I wanted to piggyback - you're right, *and* there is more to expression than fashion. In a simple example: I, a nerdy guy who is cautious about his behaviour and respectful of boundaries, expresses my masculinity in a way that is different from, say, a used-to-play Football ex-Marine who keeps himself fueled on testosterone and adrenaline - compare/contrast "butch/femme" in this video. It's things *other than* fashion as well, I think - but I'm not an expert. I think Armoured Skeptic was, himself, just experienced confirmation bias is all. Unfortunately, I think Armoured Skeptic was primed to react with outrage and anger - which isn't uncommon in the outrage-baiting circles of youtube and other media.

[@thefatcat1366]

he is literally like right there!!! like YES ITS FASHION!! the only problem is that he doesn’t realize how important fashion is!! yeah sure its ‘just fashion’ but fashion is an important part of seeing into society. yeah those cat meme t-shirts were a phase but that phase showed the popularization of internet, just like how in victorian times (?) them wearing padding and corsets showed what the ideal body type was like, thr fact they used toxic lipstick can show either how they didnt care abt how bad it was or how they didnt know how bad it was, radium in paint to get pretty greens, the whole blank cores trend thats going on recently shows the want to find a personality, the list goes on. they dismiss fashion trends as if it isnt an important part of society (also i put a ? after victorian times bc im not an expert and im just going off of memory rn, its a rlly interesting topic tho so i think you should look it up)

[@HashFace253]

​@@thefatcat1366and the "fashion is part of society" thing is kind of key how you express yourself is based on external and commonly accepted aspects of aesthetics. Like if I wear a rad shirt at home it's whatever but doing so in a crip neighborhood or a country where cannibals all wear read is a whole other thing. I mean to expand that analogy out to other things we do or wear or ways we act. Dude really just nailed down gender expression for me just by being like "its fashion"

[@midori_the_eldritch]

I honestly find it funny how "it's just fashion" isn't even wrong. The way it seems like he ment it is, but fashion is a big part of the social momentum that defines what a man or woman is, or if and what other genders and sexes are real.

[@harrylane4]

"facts don't care about your feelings" "He made me angry... He made me very, very angry..."

[@bluedobson7623]

For thousands of years men used face paints and cosmetics... then in the past 200 years it becsme taboo

[@Sayares13]

I imagine that guy is actually Marvin the Martian.

[@ccricers]

Stoicism master race!

[@tenchimuyo69]

@@square_banana How you say it matters. He failed to prove his facts in that particular scene. For one thing, his focus on a particular race as a perpetrator of a particular action is definitely not scientific. I don't think I can agree that some wrongdoing behavior is unique or inherently built into a specific race or ethnicity of people as the doctor in this segment implies (and focuses on). And even if it was, he did not provide evidence of that. Nor did he even provide evidence that it was happening on any meaningful scale that warrants throwing an entire group of people under a bus.

[@coolpeepsunite]

@@tenchimuyo69 It feels like you did not finish watching this video or the episode in question. With additional context, it becomes very clear that race was not the core of the discussion at all, it was a stand up comedy bit about people trying to sell mystical remedies without scientific basis.

[@margaridabento9726]

Thinking being LGBT or gender nonconforming is "trendy" or a source of social capital is a sure sign someone spends too much time on the internet and not nearly enough out in the world

[@CEDEREL]

the idea that anyone would even want to be queer in the world we live in is the stupidest shit ever. imagine all the kids that got horribly abused, abandoned, and brought to the brink of suicide by the way they’ve been treated. who the fuck would /choose/ that because it’s “trendy” lol

[@Fellovidual]

Idk man, every high school ive been to in utah seems to disagree

[@Steve_evets]

i don't thing greg and shoe leave the house to often 😂

[@TheCheddarChunk]

“Gay” is *still* an un-ironic insult.

[@TheCheddarChunk]

@Candace Vasquez yeah. I’ll take one discrimination please.

[@Silverwind87]

Right: Cancel culture is a problem. We shouldn't end careers over disagreement. Bill Nye: Maybe we don't know everything about gender. Right: BILL'S NO LONGER A SCIENTIST! EDIT: Nothing is funnier than watching the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd oppose scientific fact.

[@fadlinugraha347]

Left: I wanna cut off my own penis.

[@daedula7457]

@@fadlinugraha347 why shouldnt they bitch. It's their body let them do what they want with it. Being transgender isnt hurting you so dont be a sick about it.

[@daedula7457]

@@Top_Cheeze do you want to link any sources to this information? Like I dont know a TV show created by the biggest streaming service in the world which if it was caught telling lies would almost certainly destroy the show? Can I see evidence to your points?

[@jebbryant6522]

daedalus 14 he just wants to act like he’s enforcing science not provide sources or proof you know that thing that’s the bread and butter of science

[@Silverwind87]

@@fadlinugraha347 Right: I'm gonna get a swastika tattoo. That's definitely something I want on my skin for the rest of my life.

[@elliel.5915]

Speaking as someone who used to watch Armoured Skeptic when I was like 15-16, and who actually watched that video of his when it came out, I now realize that the "I wanted to know what the science behind gender and sex is, but Bill doesn't talk about it" bit is actually an important part of the performance. Something that he and people like him sell you is the illusion of rationality. And part of that means being open to new ideas that might change your mind, provided there's evidence to support them. Of course, Skeptic was probably not going to say "Fuck, I guess I was wrong about gender and sex, time to change my entire channel's output", but it was important to make you think that he would if the evidence pointed in that direction. Basically, in this part, he's saying "I'm intellectually honest, so if there was science behind this I would believe it, but see? There isn't any". That gives him the leeway to be as critical and dismissive of the episode as he wants. Ironically though, it's exactly the desire to be rational and intellectually honest that ultimately made me stop watching channels like his.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

That has been the exact trick that these people have been using for millenia. And is still as powerful as ever.

[@AR-hi1hy]

I watched him as a teen/early 20s when he was doing atheist content and then basically forgot about him. Kinda sad seeing where he ended up.

[@Gorgovoid173]

HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF IT THAT MUCH!! EVEN HBOMB SAID THAT!! The "performance" must be really in-depth considering Hbomb also uses it and you didn't even notice...

[@radwanshakfah6938]

​@GORGOVOID173 i am sorry, but he showed that there's research that's all hbomb had to say to disprove skeptic's claim, skeptic said there was no research not that it was bad or illogical, he denied the existence of evidence not if its good or bad

[@Gorgovoid173]

@@radwanshakfah6938 IN THE SHOW. Was there any in the show? We're talking about a show here. Did you forget that?

[@pacman5698]

_"Everybody knows there are only two genders. Straight white CIS male and Cultural Marxists trying to destroy all of gaming and comedy. Then there are only THREE politics. Conservative, centrists allying with conservatives, and Cultural Marxists trying to destroy all of gaming and comedy."_ *- A good chunk of KZbin*

[@stoodmuffinpersonal3144]

Of social media. Or people in general. It sucks

[@neerkum5428]

These Post-modern Neo Cultural Marxist Idiologs

[@frogwithknives3749]

@@neerkum5428 thats what people have to say three times in a row so that the ghost of karl marx will appear in their bathroom mirror

[@charlesherbig4502]

THREE politics? Centrists don’t exist you CULTURAL MARXIST FREAK!!!! It’s just RATIONAL.

[@chuck_duck]

Not a big chunk, just the most extreme ones. You think it’s a big chunk because they’re more vocal and stand out more. The fact that no one here is one of these is proof of that.

[@JordanSullivanadventures]

"I wouldn't have personally slut-shamed the ice-cream." -Harry H. Bomberguy

[@merouanetekfi8303]

i think his name is harry brewis

[@lolicanadian]

@@merouanetekfi8303 Which is short for Harris Brewis, which I'm sure he'll tell you, but I like to call him 'the Notable HBG'.

[@merouanetekfi8303]

@@lolicanadian really man i did know that ...i should give you a sherlock teddy bear worth 3 thousands of pounds

[@davidefinzi8145]

Such a virtue signaler

[@eli507]

...unless the ice cream is into that stuff, in which case, you're a dirty, nasty little cone, aren't you?

[@oatmealcoloured9950]

I really dislike this trend within the sceptics community to paint themselves as "a-political" because. As soon as you have an opinion on societal topics - congratulations. Your opinion is inherently political because it exists within a political framework because our society is inevitably shaped by politics. Just say you disagree, don't dismiss an argument as being valid because it is "political"

[@yazzur8304]

Quite ironically amusing for anyone who calls themselves a '' skeptical atheist '' who's ''a-politlcal'' Sure, because I'm really sure that someone who genuinely believes in skepticism and is an atheist is '' a-politlcal '' when it comes right-wing nut jobs denying climate change and denying same sex marriage. Anti-feminsti '' skeptics '' for years have been quite fine using 3rd world countries oppressive regimes that denys womens freedom and the rest to help negate and put down feminists in the western world, yet now have the nerve to call themselves ''a-politcal'' I've found that people who often call themselves such things are only actually admitting that they only want to ignore politics when its convenient to them to turn a blind eye to something. '' Fascism is a leftist ideologue!!!! We have to stop SJW like beliefs from being implanted into the government, we have to stop HILLARY CLINTON FMO GETTING INTO OFFICE! '' Yet when things they they so happen to have some sort of preconceived notion about and have for ages being spouting anti-lgbt rhetoric for a while they become ''A-poltical '' '' Oh well, I just don't like politics to disparage a discussion. I'm a-politlcal and don't really like politics ''

[@Interesting_Failure]

I feel like this is the same class of thing as saying that facts aren't political and neither side is "correct", two sides to every story, literally apolitical data-based studies are "liberal" because they support a liberal talking point, etc. If this were true, then you could immediately de-factualize anything by arguing its opposite in a political arena. ...wait...what if THAT'S what the right is doing? By arguing against global warming, they make it "political" so it ceases to exist as an actual phenomenon! Those brave souls, publicly expressing obviously stupid views to try and save the rest of us...

[@yoyoyopacmanofficial5415]

The reason for why people think this is because they're main shtick is that they're only supporting facts, or, at least in their content. Base facts can be considered apolitical. Yes, you can say that all ideas fall into a political framework, but without thinking so deeply about the intricacies of society, this is why. With the example of Armoured Skeptic, he believes in global warming, that mankind is causing it, he has debunked flat earthers, and has made a video in the past bashing a tour guide for being badly versed in the exhibition content to make the message of how ignorance has intercepted places of thought. In his video about bill nye, he states that he is dissatisfied with the lack of scientific explanation. In videos like these, he sets the idea that he is only or at least most concerned with scientific discussion. If you look at the video in the places that hbomber has specified, you can see that isn't always true, but that is what he advertises himself to be.

[@paulkerrigan9857]

It's a lack of self-awareness. We're all political. I challenge you to use social media these days and remain apolitical!

[@isin4b]

I really have to agree with you on this one, the second a topic becomes the subject of political discourse, it becomes a political topic. Regardless of weather you include you own political affiliation or not, your discussing it and adressing the subject becomes political. Climate is a political subject, gender identity for some reason is a political subject. Who is best girl in Persona 5, not a political subject.

[@Sillymodezeenith]

Something that personally bothers me when people are against being ‘political’ is that often, we have no say in what is or is not political. As a disabled trans person, my existence is seen as political. My desire to not die is political, my name, hopes, and dreams are all political. The same can be said for racial and religious minorities; It is a privilege to be apolitical. I have this sort of internalized fear of being ‘too extreme’ after years of hammering it into me that everything I do is ‘extreme’ and leftist, so I would often water down points, or even be too skittish to discuss any politics at all, I was terrified of ‘playing into’ the stereotype. I hate the idea that political means wrong. Kill the fear of taking a stance. Especially in our modern climate and world, take a stance and be vocal, support the people around you. Fascism thrives on the silent majority, and not trying to stay apolitical will often send you veering off into the far-right death pit; especially when the idea of leftism has been boiled down not to any policy, but to the idea of progress itself.

[@PauPauPauPau]

Dang. Didn't expect to see such a well-written youtube comment from a cat named lettuce, but here we are.

[@imawesomepersonDERP]

Very well said! I'm eating pizza so I can't really type a lot but I agree! 👍 Best of luck in life friend!

[@notpointed]

Well as they say, there are two genders: Male and political. There are two skin colours: White and political. You catch the drift. Honestly anyone who denies politics play a role in every aspect of our lives is just kind of stupid. Politics is about how a country is run, what resources get produced or imported, from where, how, who gets paid how much for it. Every single object in every single household is touched by politics. You found a stick outside and brought it home? Political. I mean... was it even legal to take that stick and claim ownership of it? The air we breathe is political, pollution is a political topic.

[@nenasadie]

I am disabled too, but cis and bi. Politics is just the art of disagreeing with each other when it matters to us. When people say not to be political, they're really saying three things. 1. Don't disagree with me. 2. I myself don't know how to disagree gracefully so stop it because I can't compete. 3. Stop making stuff matter. The first two reasons are nonsense, and the third is ridiculous. When nothing matters to us, we cease to live. Defy with pride!

[@BrakeCoach]

Like the meme, for these people, races are white or "political", genders are man or "political", sexual orientation is straight or "political"...

[@scoutcoker9813]

Bill Nye: "this is gender expression! It encompasses how people understand and communicate their gender outwardly, and can differ from expectations of the person's assigned gender, and even differ based on culture! :)" Skeptic: ".......yo what even IS '''gender expression"" he didn't even explain it or anything wtf"

[@turbonerdo6838]

Actual skeptics which hbomberguy is citing in this video, aka "centrists": "Bill Nye has joined the SJW's and he's anti science and SJW's are anti-science and there are only 2 genders and all this other bullshit doesn't exist" That Bill Nye is being too vague and not explaining the concepts enough is a valid criticism. hbomberguy makes that criticism in the opening of this video. Don't project that valid criticism onto the invalid criticisms of the critics which are analysed for the rest of the video. Because that's not the arguments they are making.

[@110000116699]

Sceptics Point was Nye did it terribly which he did if your interested sceptic has responded his response was pretty petty but he does explain what he meant

[@110000116699]

@@loturzelrestaurant what?

[@kiralonely1307]

I literally facepalmed at that point when that clip was being shown, as a gnc trans person. Having people dismiss this shit and be annoying about it is a whole thing I'm used to dealing with, but the mutual facepalm and sighing in exasperation is so appreciated now and then.

[@ladams5515]

Skeptic: “There are no studies on gender or gender expression” Me (a biologist): “Eh? 👀”

[@fletcheragenda6014]

I feel like someone like armoured skeptic would have enough historical understanding to know that the nazis kinda burnt all research done about gender, sex and sexuality.

[@rachmatabbid5936]

@@fletcheragenda6014 I'm sure they burned those...and more

[@fletcheragenda6014]

@@rachmatabbid5936 oh they definitely did, they burnt religious texts, specifically jewish texts, a lot of different scientific texts, anti nazi books and more

[@swatshibe]

@@fletcheragenda6014 jewish texts, and, uh, the people who wrote them....

[@richardwhaler8717]

@@fletcheragenda6014 it wasn't just the Nazis, as nice as it would be to be able to blame all of society's ills on them. Science is fundamentally tied to society, as scientists rely of other people giving them money for their research, and other scientists to review their research. This coupled with the fact that institutional science (i.e. science journals, conferences, university positions) were explicitly exclusive to men and often implicitly exclusive to white men historically, means that the institutions of science, and thus recorded scientific thought were sexist, and racist for a long time. It has really only been the last several decades that those institutional barriers have been brought down, that research could be done on these topics.

[@ironichoneybadger5066]

i hate this channel. he's making too many logical step by step videos that change my opinions. i love this channel

[@geologist5838]

IronicHoneyBadger “..because I agree with him whether or not he’s right”

[@firmanchristiansianturi4794]

@@geologist5838 Except he have shown that things that he said is right

[@kostajovanovic3711]

@@geologist5838 uhhhhh

[@michaelyoung5613]

@@geologist5838 ......is a dumbass

[@favoritemustard3542]

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[@Godemporerofthegays]

I used to be a huge fan of this guy. My brother and I would watch his videos in middle school and we both ended up down the alt-right pipeline. This is actually the exact video that got me out of out it and actually interested in researching gender. I used to be exactly like ArmouredSkeptic in my view on it, but as it turns out, I’m actually a trans woman 😊 Thanks hbomberguy!

[@BorfieKai]

Congrats

[@melvinjones6862]

Oh great, now you've become a god-emperor of us gays. F*in Theists. /j

[@joshharakaly4237]

Looks like we're twinsies, LOL. So glad I got away from old friends pushing this kind of worldview on me, legit encountering new people and ideas has saved my life, that's why this kind of close-mindedness is so sad.

[@MsTerkup]

Ayyyy me too baybeeee (although I believe I already knew I was trans at the time I watched him, just closeted) "skeptic" youtubers like him suddenly denying the science of transpeople did make me realise that I should come out and fight for civil rights though!

[@BloomT24]

It is pretty difficult to be a conservative and Trans gender at the same time

[@indigomoon6251]

someone's gender and pronouns aren't political, most people who say that are usually transphobic.

[@katherinerubie557]

So many things are, or never should have become, political. But, the moment someone disagrees it becomes political. If it seems new, trendy, outside of one's experience, strange, or involving a minority, it becomes political.

[@katherinerubie557]

@@marcdedecker3400 I'm not aware that anyone is being "forced" to use the appropriate pronoun for a person who identifies a certain way. Like you said, one can be conservative and still be respectful enough to use the pronoun one chooses for one's self. However, regardless of politics, we still have a lot of ignorant and/or mean people who will choose to be disrespectful and use the pronoun they *think* should be used, based on their own beliefs. In some cases, education on these matters can resolve these issues, but by and large people don't like having their beliefs challenged, and there are those who just feel it is necessary to be outright rude and mean to anyone who doesn't fit their ideal. Legally, I believe people should have the right to choose the pronouns that best fit themselves, and that includes changing legal documents to show that personal choice, rather than some arbitrary set of rules that do not always apply. I also feel an employer can make decisions on what type of employees they will hire or people they will serve. And what I mean by this is that we've already established that businesses are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, so businesses should also be able to decide if they will have employees that are supportive of LGBTQA+ persons or not. If we can have businesses that can legally and actively discriminate against gay or trans folk, then businesses should be able to hire only LGBTQA+ persons and their allies, and not serve anyone who is anti-gay or trans. Right? (I don't think these practices are ideal, nor do I agree with them overall, because I just think it's entirely dysfunctional, but if we are going to divide ourselves, then what is good for the goose is also good for the gander).

[@firekirby123]

@@katherinerubie557 From what I recall, there was actually a proposed law in Canada a while back that, with the language used, would compel educators to use the pronouns a student gave them, with failure to do so being grounds for legal action. I can't say for certain whether or not the language got amended, or the law even got through at all in the first place as it did not directly affect me or my life at all, but there's precedent for the concern. And being vehemently against the notion of compelled speech in the first place, I can understand such a concern. Of course, I'm also of the arguably mundane opinion that you should just fucking treat people with respect and call them what they want to be called, even if you're not compelled to do so, because it's a simple and kind thing to do. Should you be forced to? No, but don't then get all huffy when people start calling you an asshole when you basically just got done fighting for your right to be an asshole.

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

@@firekirby123 I actually support policies that get transphobes fired for misgendering students and coworkers, and here's why. If I decide not to respect a cis man's gender and insist on referring to him as she/her... that's harassment. If I decide I don't like his name and start calling him Shelley instead... that's harassment. If I did that to a coworker or a student, I would be reprimanded for harassing them and eventually fired for refusing to stop. No one should be fired for making an honest mistake, so any law codifying this kind of policy should be written carefully to avoid doing that. But I strongly disagree that people have the right to bully their transgender co-workers and students explicitly because they're trans.

[@firekirby123]

@@edgarallenhoe3518 Yup. Basically sums up my thoughts. My main point is just regarding careless legislation that sets a precedent which can lead to _more_ discrimination and harassment down the line, not less.

[@GiordanDiodato]

>Praises a blatantly political part for "not being too political" >Pans political stuff Say what.

[@Lightwolf234]

It's a common tactic of those who claim to be this silly idea of the "moderate."

[@mrasray7622]

@Giordan Diodato this ain’t 4chan you can’t greentext here

[@hamluk_]

@@mrasray7622 no

[@prussia9255]

it's a science show... I don't want politics fed to me in a science show.

[@hamluk_]

@@prussia9255 science, for the most part, has and will always be related to politics. period. it used to be political to say the earth revolved around the sun, or that meat didn't turn to flies. so, if you don't like politics? don't bother talking about modern science.

[@rylog8]

"You just want your feelings to be facts, you don't do actual research" "Actually, here are my sources. This is very recent research, but it has been widely supported and is solid science." "I'm not going to read that."

[@grmpEqweer]

Is that Lovecraft? Cthulhu fthagn!

[@toastmcporridge8069]

"... because it directly contravenes the central tenet of the belief system upon which i base my sense of self worth. and that makes me sad and angry."

[@prussia9255]

I like your use of the quotation mark here, for direct quotes from media. These, of course, are all direct quotes from Skeptic's video, good job.

[@luisarancivia9672]

These peer-reviewed papers won't stop me, because I can't read!

[@salj.5459]

False Feathers Facts don't care about your feelings

[@ValentineC137]

Science: "treating people like human beings is good" the right: "wtf"

[@kirayoshikage1491]

Fact

[@jorbore1413]

@@kirayoshikage1491 uhmmmm ackshually facts dont care about your feelings librals.

[@enbeast8350]

​@@jorbore1413 Yeah, you're right. And that's why the right gets all offended whenever people show you guys peer-reviewed scientific studies that don't align with your MAGA cult

[@Flunksqk]

The right is still used to the times when scientists used to subscribe to their crude theories. Sadly for them scientists actually learn stuff and improve.

[@GBomb9704]

*surprised pikachu face*

[@zekromfury]

I... can't believe I was like all those people once.

[@zekromfury]

I'm so glad I decided to actively try to improve myself and really tried to become less transphobic. It made me a lot happier in the long run.

[@chickensoup1312]

proud of you bro

[@fatimetousheikheselmou4406]

Me too i don't believe it

[@rodney2x48]

I went through a similar phase, but at least we got out.

[@synonymous_]

Same

[@mynameisjack0618]

This was one of the videos that turned me from an anti-sjw centrist to a full on lefty. Like when all of those studies talking about gender expression and gender identity started scrolling up, my jaw dropped, and I realized that all of my beliefs on how there were “only two genders” were bunk. Good job Hbomb, you changed me for the better

[@amandagabriellydesouzacava4187]

It happened to me as well

[@amandagabriellydesouzacava4187]

Although it was a contrapoints video (i think the one that talks about the Golden one)

[@amandagabriellydesouzacava4187]

I dont remeber the exact video

[@marf2953]

Might want to read those studies. You might find they're not as conclusive and clear cut as you think

[@marf2953]

@@razornz007 You seem to be putting some words in my mouth. All I advocate for is education and skepticism.

[@chantolove]

Bill: Gender expression is a spectrum, so we should respect everyone’s choices for how they identify and present themselves. Armored Skeptic: Uh, that’s fake and bad and SJWish, you science denier. Anyways, I think we should respect people like what

[@seigeengine]

I don't think you really got either of the messages correct. Also, identification is not a choice. You do not choose identity. Identity is what you are, no matter how you feel about it.

[@theirnknight]

@@seigeengine Your identity is not a choice, but how you identify is. I am a lesbian and I can't change that, but if I chose to identify publicly as straight for my own safety, for example, that would be a choice. I choose to identify as a lesbian bc it is the label that matches my identity.

[@NibNibNib]

@@seigeengine Literally what the fuck do you think the word identity means.

[@seigeengine]

@@theirnknight Sure, but that wouldn't be your identity, and you could "identify" yourself as a lesbian, but actually be bisexual, or straight, or asexual. and simply be wrong. You could be even more confused, and call yourself pansexual, and then get offended when I ask if you really want to bang dead kids.

[@seigeengine]

@@NibNibNib I literally explained what the fuck the word identity means.

[@AshlynOne]

As a trans woman I'm sad I just now found this particular Hbomberguy video. Good on Skeptic for allowing me with all his humble grace to be "trans-trendy". I forgot how trendy it was to be denied medical care, treated like shit, and victimized by hate crimes. Very trendy. Lmfao. Because we just wake up one day and choose to become minorities that are hated by weirdo conservatives. Sick.

[@AshlynOne]

@@slevinchannel7589 ...?

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@AshlynOne I said what i said.

[@peterprime2140]

@@AshlynOne They're a weirdo who has 3 different accounts that they use to spam Hbomb's comment section. Just ignore them.

[@AshlynOne]

@@peterprime2140 Gotcha, thanks.

[@activevertex4475]

I have unfortunately met trenders, which just absolutely fucking destroys the reputation of the trans community

[@stiltpuppy]

love how "don't get political" usually means "I don't have a personal stake in this issue and I don't want to hear about people who do" *puts fingers in ears* Anti Racism, Climate science, and LGBTQ+ issues are life and death for plenty of people. They don't call it "politics" they call it "not dying"

[@osml]

Love this comment

[@Jepysauce]

I agree, but it's still politics... thing is, that's perfectly okay. Pretending you can avoid "getting political" in a society so thoroughly shaped by politics is kinda stupid. If you have any opinion on just about anything, you are officially "getting political". Anyway, yeah, there are definitely some things that should take priority over what political orientation you take part in such as human rights, like yknow.. LGBTQ+ people being treated like actual human beings like everyone else.

[@defective.6192]

Im too busy politicking in crusader kings, gotta murder my brothers and sister for more land and power.

[@rexalley8397]

I do agree that some politics are life and death. But for the rest that isn’t, if I don’t have a stake in it then why should I care?

[@mariusdevitte1548]

@@defective.6192 Politics would be more interesting if they involved more Machiavellian power-plays and brutal assassinations (CIA doesn't count).

[@BEEEELEEEE]

Being reminded of my Armored Skeptic-watching, Anti-SJW phase both depresses and embarrasses me.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

I'm in the same sinking boat my friend.

[@iankirven2711]

Hey, you're not there anymore though! You're living proof that the world is an awesome place and it's really big of you to admit that.

[@-aquamarine-324]

He is about as intellectual as a coconut

[@Sonichero151]

Most people had that phrase...... though I had a Pokémon phrase that's been continuing ever since

[@werisekk3]

Don't be embarrassed; rejoice in knowing that you've moved forward.

[@AngryShooter]

Ah, yes, 2017, when half of KZbin was suddenly dominated by "skeptic", "non-political", "science followers", whose scientific method boiled down to "I think that's cringe and probably political so that means you're wrong."

[@habilterserah4075]

Yeah where all of them ?

[@JinStreams]

It is fascinating that they made their whole online persona hating on christianity while still holding onto the same worldview and thought processes as the evangelicals they dunk on to feel smart.

[@yeasstt]

As a gender nonconforming cis male, I think it's so funny that people can think expression doesn't exist. Mate, I'm a guy but I genuinely feel uncomfortable in men's traditional clothing. If it was "just fashion" all men would be willing to wear dresses and wouldn't feel uncomfortable

[@seigeengine]

I mean, it seems to me that it is just fashion. I have no desire to wear dresses, but I also have no desire to wear most "male" clothing that isn't the clothing I'm used to wearing. Right now that's mostly shorts and tees, but it's been various things across my life. Jeans seem insufferable to me now, but there was a time when jeans were all I wore, and they felt completely comfortable to me. There is no reason justified here for men and women to wear certain kinds of clothing. There's only conceptions of what type of clothing men and women wear, and our association with those same concepts... but how is that different from any other fashion? That could be trends, clothes from the past that now you wouldn't be caught dead in, or clothing typical of certain groups you don't belong to, or, again, just things you're not used to wearing. I see no reason why if I chose to start wearing dresses, I wouldn't end up quite quickly feeling completely comfortable wearing them, and eventually if I kept it up, the clothes I wear now would feel foreign to me. Men have often worn, throughout history, what would constitute dresses, skirts, etc. to our modern standards. Many items that today are associated with women were, in the past, worn often, or even mostly by men. But that's really where I draw the line. I personally think it makes sense to differentiate gender roles and expression from gender itself, although one could argue gender in that case is just a part of sex differentiation, understanding, of course, that biology is complicated and messy. Cause it seems to me there are certainly real differences between men and women as demographics in terms of personhood-associated characteristics, but that how we express our gender and so on is entirely learned.

[@bubby632]

@@seigeengine it isnt just fashion. What's associated with each gender is what gender is.

[@seigeengine]

@@bubby632 I disagree with that model.

[@bubby632]

@@seigeengine why?

[@seigeengine]

@@bubby632 because it doesn't jive with our lingo and grasp on transgenderism, forcing you to either recategorize transgendered people as intersex, or to deny the evidence that transgenderism is inherent and not learned, since if gender is just fashion, then it's purely arbitrary.

[@fyggy5480]

"im a centrist and you guys are both wrong" "elaborate on that" "NO"

[@Seviexe]

As a centrist I can assure you that "centrism" is an euphemism for "i'm enough of the radical overreaction bullshit from both sides pouring in from all media and social platforms into my life all the time, just leave me the fuck alone".

[@pantherette113]

@@Seviexe get an opinion loser

[@differentbutsimilar7893]

Haha, Centrist = the ones who take it from both sides. Nah... being moderate is not inherently bad. It can lead to indecisiveness if taken to extremes, but given that it's about avoiding extremist thinking, I'd argue that a 'hardcore' centrist who denies everything on the basis of being left or right can't logically be considered a centrist. You kinda can't be a hardline centrist... not like that. If you reject everything, you're still at an extreme point. You have a core bias, but instead of leaning one way or the other, are biased against both. That's not the intent, as far as I can tell. But that's the definition a lot of people seem to run with... that the people in the middle are somehow anti-politics, when it's supposed to be about weighing both sides appropriately before picking one, or even taking pieces of both! If you choose to completely disengage from politics, you're not a centrist! Centrisim is a political outlook. It describes how someone engages with politics, not people who openly choose not to. It's supposed to be about balancing out different points of view, with the idea being that no one point of view is 100% correct. It does NOT mean that a centrist does not have any definitive views on issues, or that they cannot substantiate their own claims. It's just that they do not base their views on any particular topic on whether it is left or right wing. They're trying not to get boxed in, or walled out from a view they better align with, simply because of party affiliations. This doesn't entail a lack of bias, but rather personal acceptance of a variety of biases! A centrist could have left-wing bias on one issue, and right-wing on another, and that is still within their sphere. It's not about rejecting ideas based on political association, but rather the opposite. A centrist doesn't reject something on the basis of it being left or right, but rather on what they determine the merits to be or not be. Actually, they kind of exist to counter the very mindset of putting people in boxes, and not characturizing important ideas and issues, kind of like what you're doing. People who are strongly for one side or the other hate them because they choose not to adhere to the us/them nature of the partisan system, and simply see the intended function of the system differently. They see it as an affront to their whole thinking, which is funny because by definition a centrist doesn't actually oppose either side, but rather welcomes both equally. Isn't the saying "The friend of my enemy is my friend." or am I mistaken on that? Why are people so dismissive of the simple political approach of weighing both sides equally? How does that jump straight to never having an opinion about anything? It sounds more to me like a refusal to engage people who don't think exactly like you do. The centrists out there wouldn't do anyone on the left or right like that. In fact, sometimes we can benefit from their criticisms and it can help bolster our own causes or get us back in the right direction when we lose our way, which does happen. I lean left for the most part, but I can see the value in having people out there who don't, who can point out when I'm working against myself. That really sounds pretty good to me! Personally, I kinda get it. When it comes to left/right, it isn't a matter of determining which SIDE is right, but simply what is ultimately right. There is a place for them at the political table, too. If you really think they only exist to be contrary to every single political bias, you've never actually met one. The one's I've talked to have always been more about simply not favoring one bias over another. But I suppose there are plenty that are eager to hate those who do not think like them. It goes sort of like this. Righties tend to think they already know what is right and hold fast on it. Lefties embrace ambivalence towards those absolutes and look more to nuance - for them there is always more and we have to always keep looking forward, not back. Centrists say nah, the problems of one side are shared by the other, what's right IS definitively there, and it's somewhere between those two approaches. Nothing saying a centrist can't pick sides on things. The definitive aspect is a commitment to variety in which sides get favored when, and for what reasons. Not the same as saying they have no reasons or arguments to make. That would be rather stupid. It's nice to think that people are just stupid sometimes, but it's not really a very useful way to engage with anyone. Centrism is more concerned with where the ideas come from and how a person interprets the landscape. They simply choose not to look through a lens that's always red or always blue and value being able to use either, depending on which is more useful at the time.

[@Seviexe]

@@pantherette113 it's inherently stupid to have an opinion on everything just because you feel like you have to. It's something you grow out of though...

[@KasumiRINA]

USA "centrism" corresponds to ultra-conservatives in Europe. Now, what Americans call "left" is the moderate right in Europe. Y'know Angela Merkel? That's the right wing in EU. Literally Christian Conservative party. They're pro-migrant, pro-human rights, support free universal healthcare, work unions, don't deny science or climate change etc. and that's as conservative as a sane person can go. I don't think anyone ever got as left in USA to ever approach center. America is just 50 shades of wingnut conservatism

[@sachinsurya007]

It's getting real hard to distinguish between skeptic atheist youtubers and Conservative Christians

[@eliass596]

Well one thing we know is that armoured skeptic does not like christians haha

[@chimedemon]

Well, skeptics are just adopting the Conservative ideas and thinking they’re thinking outside the box... Then again I might be wrong about that, I’m *skeptical* I’m always right... :D I’ll leave...

[@reginaldbarclay1637]

Jimmy Snow, Telltale, and Zelph on the Shelf are exceptions.

[@celestesimulator6539]

@@reginaldbarclay1637 oh yeah, and GM Skeptic, and Cosmic Skeptic (I think), and Rationality Rules (I think), and ThereminTrees

[@brendathevehicon]

@@celestesimulator6539 out of everyone listed- Jimmy Snow and Telltale, two of four of the people out of those listed that i watch, i've seen being susceptible to emotional reactions. Theramintrees is probably the best- he keeps everything calm and levelheaded, and lets his arguments stand for themselves. not discrediting anyone else, but theramintrees is probably better at saving anyone caught in an echochamber than the others. (it's been too long since i've watched Genetically Modified Skeptic) but yeah, not everyone sucks lol.

[@matteocesaretti2727]

"SJW get triggered by jokes" -Every skeptic youtuber ever

[@MrAWESOMUS]

"YOU ARE LITERALLY ASSAULTING MY CHARACTER BY MAKING FUN OF MY POLITICAL OPINIONS! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" -Those same KZbin skeptics

[@damnedforyoursins3459]

The guy also literally got triggered by a comedian lol

[@Flippwn1]

@@damnedforyoursins3459 he gets triggered by real comedians, but i bet hes hot for that Steven "Closet" Crowder

[@Bhazor]

"This made me very angry" Angry Septic

[@Wyrdangus]

@Rechordian Both GMS and Cosmic Skeptic are skeptics whose views generally align with the larger "SJW" community as a whole. They're men of science and philosophy, not the fake "skeptics"

[@pm146]

I LOVE terms like "cis" and "allistic". They make the people affected by their counterparts, "trans" and "autistic", human again. Now, not only do those people have a label, but everyone else has one too. A cisgendered Allistic male can now relate to and bring awareness to both transgender and autistic people. It's just another adjective now, like race or sexuality.

[@thatwardrobeguy]

Bitch I wasent human before?

[@gManGabe]

I kinda don't like the words. It feels like maningless separation of something that's trying to unite

[@thebestdoggo9512]

@@gManGabecool how do you think trans and autistic people feel

[@gManGabe]

@@thebestdoggo9512 Don't know. Can you tell me? (not /s, i'm new to this discussion and trying to learn)

[@thebestdoggo9512]

@@gManGabe alienated extremely because they don’t fit in the neurotypical cis world

[@HOOTwheelz]

when Armored Skeptic said "it didn't get too political" he means he didn't experience cognitive dissonance as significantly as the other episodes

[@andheaventoo]

+

[@sciencetube4574]

Do you not recognize the concept of political bias in science and how that might ruin the science? Don't you think it's more reasonable to assume he was referring to that?

[@AzaleaJane]

@@sciencetube4574 you make an important distinction! I wish this Hbomb had made this distinction too. Science that is motivated by love for humanity and knowledge, that happens to take a position on controversial political subjects, is great, and the kind I think we can all get on board with. Scientific pursuit that is subverted by political or religious agendas, THAT is terrible, and happens all the time. I think this distinction is made by looking at which way the influence is going. The mistake AS makes, that is being pointed out here, is that he conflates the two. He acts as if the segment on gender is the latter of these two (science being influenced by a political agenda), whereas it's Hbomb's (and my) position that this episode is actually driven by love of science and love of humanity and the desire to understand humans better, and is making politically controversial statements.

[@sciencetube4574]

@@AzaleaJane I kind of disagree with you. I don't think science should make any political statement, and it should be motivated only by the desire to gather information which may be useful for humanity. Science is nothing but a method of gathering information. This information is neutral, no matter what political implications it may have. It gets its political meaning only through our political interpretation of it, and that interpretation must be separated from the information itself. Otherwise, you're inviting fallacious arguments from both sides, attacking or defending the science (cold, hard numbers and nothing more) on the basis of political alignment. Therefore, I still think that, regardless of motivation, science that _"happens to take a position on controversial political subjects"_ is inherently bad science. Just to reiterate: Science that is unpolitical that is later used in the political debate is of course legitimate. This is what science is for; to help us make political decisions. I am only talking about science that makes political statements by itself. As for gender science, it's obviously politically motivated, as it is aligned specifically with the political ideology of intersectionality and its research is purely semantic. There is no difference in the empirical observations behind calling a certain behaviour "gender" or calling it "personality". It is simply the interpretation of the observation through the specific ideological lense. Therefore, ascribing random things about a person to gender (a very specific term) is a political act and not a scientific one. Besides, "love of science and love of humanity" are themselves political values, not scientific ones. Science only cares about the data, not moral judgements (which "love" is).

[@cyan4845]

@@sciencetube4574 "Does drinking from plastic containers and using plastic products have a side effect on the health of people who grow up using said products?" Is this question scientific? Yes, it does not phrase the question in such a way as to imply that the statement is true or false, it looks at a thing which exists (drinking from plastic containers) and asks a question about it (does this have any side effects, positive or negative?). If you then devised an empirical way of studying this with a control group and what not, you might be able to come to a conclusion. This question is also inherently political. Whatever this study says, even if the results are inconclusive, plastic companies WILL be affected. If there are positive side affects plastic companies got a new way of advertising their product. If the results are inconclusive they now have a layer of plausible deniability should anyone accuse their business of producing unsafe products ("There was a study on it and it was inconclusive so there is no scientific evidence this does occur"). If there are negative side effects the plastic companies just got damaged in an important way that, if the side effects are bad enough, could do massive damage to the whole industry. Plastic companies are more then willing to lobby and bribe politicians , so something that hurts/helps plastic companies will affect how plastic companies interact with politicians. Meaning no possible result from this study could have 0 political impact, and therefore this study is inherently political. On gender science, you don't seem to have read much on the subject. I'll just post this www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf It is about 10-9 pages long from an academic source and if you sat through the 35 minute video you can read this. It goes into extensive details about the numbers and methods used for and against the Autogynephilia theory. You'll note the Autogynephilia theory is quite transphobic (for it to be true it has to assume many trans people are liars, an unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific claim). There are more studies on gender that you can find out there, I'm not too well read either (something I'm working on). Finally, there are people who genuinely wish for mankind to go extinct ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement ) . Gathering information useful to humanity (which would prevent or slow our extinction) is inherently anti-VHEMT (I don't know why they put a T at the end of their acronym) therefore all science going by your definition is political since VHEMT is a political movement. This is an extreme example, but I think it shows that literally no reason to do science is 100% non-political.

[@SixtySecondYoga]

People like Skeptic are the first to yell about how people shouldn’t be offended by jokes, but here he is being offended by jokes which contain the words “white people” and “cis.”

[@theviewer6889]

And he calls other people the triggered snowflakes.

[@a2rex834]

I think regarding to The white people thing he Got triggered by The comedian looking down upon and shaming a complete race. I think he would've also gotten "offended" If The comedian mentioned some other race, which he briefly does though so there's a little bit of inconsistency right there :)

[@TheHobo715]

Its the age old practice of "it's only funny when it happens to someone else" and "it is ok when it isnt me"

[@ZombieFighter95]

... where?

[@danb4900]

Its become acceptable to make negative jokes about white people. Its a double standard.

[@PhilosophyTube]

Fashion! Turn to the left! Fashion! Turn to the right - ooooooh fashion! We are the goon squad and we're coming to town, beep beep!

[@CitizenLenny]

Listen to me (don't listen to me) Talk to me (don't talk to me) Dance with me (don't dance with me) Oh... beep beep!

[@kaitlynbrady3017]

it's loud and tasteless and I've heard it before

[@JamesPeach]

Philosophy Tube You should make a video with Hbo.

[@justinhanna9152]

Seth Perry I doubt a cable network WOUL work with a small youtuber

[@patriciofernandez2711]

"We are the goon squad and we're coming to town, beep beep...what a fucking great line" -Robert Fripp

[@user-zl9vh2xr6b]

I legit still can't get over Armoured Skeptic's video about alternative history (one of the first ones at this point I guess), where he brought up a very old photo taken in Saint-Petersburg, Russia, and called it Vatican. That still comes up randomly in my mind every now and then.

[@nobunnyspecial]

reminds me of a less funny version of the "kermit gulag" tweet

[@ndm13]

That's when I stopped watching. He started this series of wild conspiracies and I thought oh, he's going to try to lay them out convincingly and then debunk them, except the second part never happened and you just got this string of weird attempts to present an inconsistent narrative.

[@Crazelord91]

How can you be *skeptical* if your entire ethos is that people should maintain the status quo and hate those who question or want to change it?

[@curtmacquarrie]

I think you've pretty much nailed it. The "skeptic community" is skeptical of anything that challenges their straight, white hetero-normative view of society, skeptical of anything that might mean they aren't inherently better than others or the "normal" or "default" of society.

[@xp8969]

Orwell explained all of this with the concept of double-speak in his prophetic novel 1984, it's the same reason that cuckservatives think that the government murdering people with impunity is freedom but giving people access to health care is fascism and all of their other non-sensical beliefs

[@Tibovl]

​@@curtmacquarrie I believe that is a misrepresentation of the skeptic community. Armoured Skeptics' girlfriend is not even straight. He always advocates for freedom of expression, gay and trans rights. Besides he's only one person, pretending everyone who calls themself a skeptic shares the same mindset and agrees with his views is incorrect. His video is ignorant. But the segment from the show is also not very clear. Skeptics' inability to understand the subject and its roots in science is a result from first of all his own bias (and ignorance) but secondly the lack of effort the show puts into proving the things they are telling us. They are not convincing and confusing. I also thought the episode was a mess. Not because I don't support LGBTQ rights or disagree with the science, but because it was just not a very good representation of the issue.

[@legion999]

He is skeptical to change

[@Influx27]

Just a comment on the intro: the knowledge Harry finds incredibly basic can be utterly new to some people, even another member of the LGBTQ community. For instance, I have a friend who is a gay trans man. He is anatomically female, identifies as male, and is attracted to men. One would hope that the rest of the LGBTQ community would understand this, but a lesbian (former) friend of his didn't and verbally attacked him. Not even everyone in the community understands everyone else, so even shows that focus on the basics like Nye's are invaluable to saving trans lives.

[@potaterjim]

That's TERFs for ya

[@kaemincha]

That's very true! Bill Nye is all about effective science communication and I think they were trying to help viewers who aren't as knowledgeable understand. I would have loved it too if he brought out some *HARD SCIENCE* but sometimes that's too much for the intro to a topic.

[@deezboyeed6764]

I'm bi and the only abuse I've ever received is from a gay guy.

[@katherinerubie557]

@@deezboyeed6764 there are still too many gay and lesbian people who feel they've worked too hard at gaining acceptance as legitimate, and then along comes someone who says they're bi and they see that as a threat because now it APPEARS that straight people get to take advantage of a trend towards being gay. We know this isn't true, but when your existence is threatened by someone else's, then it becomes vitally important to deny it. Geeze! I'm not sure if that was even "followable." I too consider myself bi, but when I was struggling with my sexual orientation in the beginning I was faced with 2 choices: I was either straight and curious, or I was a lesbian who had been led to believe I was straight by social conditioning. I had even taken a college course that focused on the history of lesbians. This course was taught by a lesbian who also denied bisexuality as legitimate. As the weeks progressed I was still trying to fit inside one of those boxes. Finally, my lesbian professor quietly pulled me aside in the hallway during a break and told me it was ok to be bi. Not only had that not even crossed my mind as a legitimate option, but the fact that she just defied her own political beliefs by saying this to me, I was left flabbergasted and everything in that moment just clicked. Thank goodness that this hard core lesbian was willing to bend in her beliefs or I could still be struggling with my identity!

[@DBZHGWgamer]

Why do they feel they are a guy?

[@SpoopySquid]

Fast forward to 2024 and Armored "Sceptic" is now denying the moon landing happened

[@thekirbyfighter2724]

Bruh

[@habilterserah4075]

Are you really surprised ?

[@tamaramacadam8650]

Clearly when he heard the term "skeptic" he took it in the "deny everything if it doesn't conform to his predetermined views" way, as opposed to the "follow the evidence wherever it leads even if it's uncomfortable" way. Oops.

[@metalvoiceguy1232]

I'm honestly bummed about that. From what I've seen of him (which is just this video to be fair), he seemed incredibly flawed but at least comparatively normal to most youtube skeptics

[@ziggylegion1604]

@@metalvoiceguy1232 trust me, he is not. go watch his million video long series talking about "the green man" and his appearance thru history and how it seems to be a metaphor for himself being god.

[@haireo6733]

I'm a fan of armoured skeptic, and I'm very glad that you have challenged my views. My mind has changed, thank you my dude. Edit: was a fan, now I watch better content for me.

[@starchilder734]

redemption arc

[@dominickperez2952]

I like how@@cauldroneer2722 doesn't actually say which argument they were against and just said it was disinegeniuous, which neither video was.

[@MiorAkif]

@@dominickperez2952 i dont see @Cauldroneer so im assuming they deleted their comment?

[@dominickperez2952]

@@MiorAkif Yeah

[@starchilder734]

@@MiorAkif they bitched out

[@EmpressMermaid]

"Being political" = "saying things I don't like"

[@randomuser5443]

Or, just stay away from it in general.

[@geologist5838]

Being political= doesn’t show the scientific consensus, or doing in an confirmation bias way like your boy Harry

[@TAP7a]

@@geologist5838 Scientific consensus = sex, gender, and gender expression are all different things. Your move, gonna raise the standard of evidence here or are you just going to keep slinging mud and pretending like you're doing something meaningful?

[@KasumiRINA]

@@geologist5838 being a woman or a minority on internet, incels, racists & boomers: yOu ArE tOo PoLiTiCal

[@reginaldbarclay1637]

Or just having non straight white cis males in a video game.

[@T1J]

Unfortunately, in my experience, you can dump as much data and research on people as you like, people who are convinced will remain convinced.

[@ootdega]

That depends on whether they care about being informed or only care about being right.

[@Flumpor]

There is a crazy Paradox in social biology that is in direct conflict with science, and it goes like this: When proven that someone is wrong, the same region that registers physical pain in their brain activates. All the effects of that correlation haven't been completely proven yet (or I haven't researched enough), but some studies show that presenting someone with the fact that they are wrong it only strengthened their believe that they were indeed right. And some have said that happens because the "pain"-part of your brain triggers, forcing a fight-or-flight response, you defend yourself and if not perfectly taken down you emerge as the "victor" of that fight only with more confidence that you are correct in your assumptions.

[@wanderingoryx3710]

Flumpor well its a good thing we can discuss facts without the use for emotion.

[@MegaBanne]

Flumpor I do not see why it is suppose to be a paradox. The phenomenon we call "belief" is a form of commitment to an idea and science is not about commitment. If our system of beliefs was only developed to learn how nature works and adapt to it then we wouldn't have evolved to be able to develop more complex concepts/beliefs. But for some reason all cultures around the world has complex systems of beliefs. These are the stories that have been shared down trough generation to generation at social gatherings, like around campfires or in holy buildings. The reason why we believe in concepts that doesn't necessarily mean anything to us is so we can share it with other people. To believe things is far more of a social phenomenon than most people believe. The same thing goes with opinions/values, experiences, traditions and just about anything that defines you as a person. When humans forms social systems based on the sharing of these things it becomes a religion. The reason why humans convert to other religions is because what we believe, what our values are and all that stuff doesn't matter in the end. What matters is that we can share them with people about as desperate as your our selves. So if we end up in a situation when you have to spend time with people who doesn't share your views you have to change them. How protective we get with our beliefs, values and stuff depends on what situation we are in. The more dangerous our situation becomes the more we become in need of social interactions to survive. So there is no coincidence that extremism tend to come as the result of war and oppression. The reason behind all this could be that sharing all of the things that defines your personality and makes you predictable with another person makes you more reliable. If two people think the same way and behave the same way then both of these two people can trust one and another better.

[@nyutrig]

you swallowed the same pill as steve shives. dont deny it.

[@kiltedcripple]

I think you've given this guy too much credit. He knows damned well that gender studies exist. He knows how to fact check a script. He opted not to.

[@occams_blazer]

I think I like pronouncing SJW as 'swidge' Personally, I'm more of a Social Justice Black Mage, but there's no way that's going to just roll off the tongue.

[@venerealmelon]

Occam's Blazer im a sjrm soicial justice red mage

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

Can I be the Red Swidge Knight?

[@abigailcockbane8640]

I'm a Social Justice Bard, we're this close to forming a party to raid the Dungeon of the Dark Mother

[@occams_blazer]

+Dnt Wry you've gotta just make sure you do the sub quest first since Red Swidge Knight is the advanced job class and you have to start with Dark Swidge Knight first.

[@theycallmedouly576]

Social Justice Mage/Rogue duel class represent!

[@julianahill2399]

"Did the ice creams fuck?"-hbomberguy, 2017

[@OrElseEllipsis1945]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@mariamicallef8151]

"IT'S CREAM TIME"

[@wearyaxe9164]

Guys guys *chuckle* guys What happened when the ice cream fucked? Ice creamed.

[@crybabyd2899]

hbomber is a disgusting slimy SJW

[@wearyaxe9164]

crybaby :D Sad part is, you will probably get likes from people who think you are being serious. Oh...wait....well at least the name checks out.

[@mswen1983]

"Armoured Skeptic" is an oxymoron. "Skeptics" are open to new information and ideas, but critical of it. "Armoured" implies that you've built a shell around yourself to block out new info/ideas.

[@cashomnitrix]

Mark S So his moniker should be.... ‘Shelled Critic’

[@soupalex]

the slits in his helmet are there to let white supremacist memes and talking points infiltrate his brain

[@Notale3]

soupalex I’m not too familiar with how he has shifted since the time this video released, but he recently said he supports Bernie Sanders in his Joker movie review: hardly a white supremacist.

[@spork4964]

Look I don't like Armoured Skeptic either and apologies for nitpicking,but being skeptical has nothing to do with open-mindness. It just means you are not apt to accept new ideas and will only accept them after them after vigorous,thorough research.

[@ZonaGreenTea]

Shane Cash i make false claims so you don’t have to

[@slhpproductions6707]

Honestly, skeptic's reaction to this video is even funnier. The video is deleted now, and it looks like he became a conspiracy theorist. So I think it's safe to say you've killed him Harris

[@taitia8619]

That's actually kinda upsetting. He seemed cool, despite his blind spots.

[@wiltamsfam]

The video is still up on his second channel, comments off but there

[@slhpproductions6707]

@@wiltamsfam is it really? That's wonderful

[@iAstra]

@@slhpproductions6707 I really feel like his response was very much a "Schrödinger's Joke" kind of thing. If he wasn't being serious, and was joking around, then I think he should work on his delivery of them so that they don't come across as his honest opinions.

[@michatarka2642]

Dear hbomberguy, Thanks for helping me out of the "anti-sjw" community. People like you helped me realize that these guys are just as wrong as some of the people they criticise. Sincerely, Some random-ass guy on youtube.

[@thenintendoman]

❤

[@Harry-cy5vz]

@Ben Prokein Im confused, if you agree with everything then what is he wrong about?

[@willowarkan2263]

@Ben Prokein seems wise. Also your English is fine.

[@sunayama4650]

I'm a fan of both Skeptic and Shoe. I've wanted to hear a different opinion because I just really want to understand how both sides see things so I can form my own opinion. The only problem was *KZbin's algorithm* recommending crap like "Feminists Get Rekt" instead of a video related to the topic. I tried a manual search, but I only ended up with "You're a nazi if you don't agree" content. I only stumbled upon this one by chance, and I'm grateful. TL;DR You missed nothing. Move on.

[@ziquaftynny9285]

Same. I did not realize the problems in that community until I heard some of your criticisms of it.

[@rhombicosidodecahedron4821]

I'm less than a minute into the video and I've already noticed a problem: "if you grew up in the 90's" um excuse me Bill Nye is still taught in classrooms because he is the best and science teachers are lazy.

[@SephonDK]

As much as I like a good teacher, in most aspects of life I'm of the opinion that if it works, it works. If Bill Nye gets more kids to get a higher grade that's a good thing in my eye. If he doesn't, the practice is bad.

[@infiniteoctopaw]

GEN Z BILL NYE FANS! RISE UP!

[@asrieldreemurr1988]

Infinite Octopaw yes

[@reginaldbarclay1637]

Science teachers are underfunded, not lazy.

[@ashikjaman1940]

@@reginaldbarclay1637 Eh, depends on the teacher. But yeah schools are underfunded.

[@Lightwolf234]

The problem with the idea of making things "well balanced" is that ideas themselves are not well balanced. Some ideas are just flat out garbage and others are based on factual stuff.

[@oof-rr5nf]

COME HITHER CHILDREN. The Solar Wolf is selling some spicy knowledge, dropping some cool truth bombs.

[@sciencetube4574]

If you were talking about the science behind something, then you'd be right. There is only one objective truth, and everything that isn't true must be false. But what Armoured Skeptic is talking about in the video is not the science itself, it is the question of what to do with the science. In this specific case, it is the question of what to do with the information that the climate is changing, probably due to human interference. This is a political question, not a scientific one, and therefore, can't be divided into simply a "true" and a "false" answer. That means that we need debate to optimise our approach. This is also the reason why people are welcoming a debate about our approach to climate change (a POLITICAL topic) but not a debate about flat vs. round earth (a SCIENTIFIC topic). You can't debate the facts, but you must debate the conclusions to draw from them.

[@sciencetube4574]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Example?

[@bonesandhearts5683]

@@sciencetube4574 watch the video to find out

[@sciencetube4574]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Well... which specific fact are you referring to? The worst things I could find is him dismissing the concept of gender expression as fashion (which it literally is and the definition of gender expression in the study hbomberguy shows at 26:55 confirms) and him not accepting the concept of a gender spectrum - but neither of these are "dismissing facts". Whether you talk about gender expression or fashion is just a question of naming the same thing, not a question of empirical data or fact. And whether you talk about a gender spectrum strictly defining behaviour or two genders loosely correlated with certain behaviour is just a difference in modeling and interpretation of the data, not in the data itself. Saying "it's a fact that gender is a spectrum" is like saying "it's a fact that electrons orbit around the nucleus" - no, it's not, it's just a way of visualising the data we have. So, no facts dismissed so far. Please be specific.

[@alecferrell2620]

Skeptic getting tripped up on Gender and Gender expression was super indicative to me as to how anti-intellectual types choose to comprehend information. Like bro. Think. Think for ONE SECOND about what you just asked. Gender is the concept. Gender expression is how the individual chooses to EXPRESS their GENDER to the world around them. I know when people get worked up, their brain kinda just stops processing and taking everything at surface value, but holy fucking shit that was one of the most drooling ape moments from him I’ve witnessed. If someone is an artistic person, they express that in their art. It’s artistic expression. BRO ARMORED SKEPTIC JUST READ ONE BOOK ON HOW WORDS WORK PLEASE IM BEGG-

[@LastTalon]

I used to watch Armoured Skeptic, and I agreed with him on many things, but this video actually showcases the primary reason I stopped watching him. I didn't realize for the longest time that he does this deliberate editing in order to make his point seem stronger, and like many people I would assume that the way he portrays the material he's responding to was accurate. When I found out I got pretty upset and subsequently stopped watching his content. Since then, I have the utmost respect toward those who link to the content they're responding to in the description so I can verify this for myself.

[@FanstasiaAlchemist]

LastTalon Oh my god same dude, it's kind of like watching yourself grow

[@MrCmon113]

That's what pretty much everyone does. When you only get one side of a story, you are almost guaranteed to be lied to.

[@dangernoodle9961]

I still watch his conspiracy theory reactions/rebuttals lol oop

[@americantoastman7296]

I watched exactly one of his videos when I found him randomly on yt one night. It was on a completely innocent topic, so he wasnt screeching about sjws from the getgo or anything, but still something felt super off about him so I stopped watching. Having seen this video now I feel super good about it haha

[@HappyLarry.]

I'm pretty sure everyone does that style of editing if they dislike the person making that content. That's just how trying to win an argument works. You will take the weakest points in the argument, and use that as ammunition. Hbomberguy also does that for people he's countering because he will pick the points he disagrees with the most. The only thing that's wrong is editing the footage itself, like the subtitles thing in the video, because that ends up being misleading. Remember that everyone will edit videos in a way where their argument is strongest, it's not just a few people. The important thing is that you should view the article or video FIRST, and theeeeen watch the video critiquing or contesting the source. Don't take what they say as FACT, take it as their opinion.

[@Leo-fh8is]

Skeptic: feelings don't equal facts Also Skeptic: this made me angry its wrong

[@LucruxDCLXVI]

Not real skeptics if that's the case

[@Leo-fh8is]

true, but I was referring to Armoured Skeptic in particular

[@LucruxDCLXVI]

Agreed!

[@Ultrox007]

Armored Skeptic in character: Feelings aren't facts. Skeptic as a person: This show made me angry, here's why, I *personally feel* it's wrong. Jesus, beat that strawman harder why don't you?

[@SLRok]

TrueWOPR bullshit he literally denied that scientific studies exists about gender expression and lied about what the guy doing the comedy bit was saying. he's a piece of shit plain and simple.

[@bengolious]

'Slut-shame the ice cream' might be the most beautiful sentence in the English language.

[@RatPfink66]

The ice creams fuck!

[@jdprettynails]

Also apparently licking is slutty behaviour. Dogs are sluts!

[@BARelement]

💀💀💀

[@pentecillenbanana3785]

The most indiest of band names

[@RhysChellew]

For all his failings, Greg did get you to say "I wouldn't personally have slut shamed the ice-cream"

[@trikitrikitriki]

People don't like the term cis because they prefer "normal". Which is.... Yikes

[@olipolygon]

@no, my name is tyler even "non-trans" can be kind of gross since it kind of makes being transgender to be this "condition" that some people have. just use "cis." there's no negative context behind it, and most people use the word "cis" anyway

[@Josie.770]

@@olipolygon So nitpicky. It's just semantics.

[@olipolygon]

@@Josie.770 it's literally the medical term but okay lol

[@Josie.770]

@@olipolygon Cis is the medical term, I mean thinking "non-trans" is bad.

[@Ramsey276one]

What it means is so absurd to me When you're born, a doctor doesn't click on a box and your gender is assigned. They check the crotch, and note what's there! It's not assigned, it is REGISTERED/NOTARIZED

[@888fluffy]

anyone who studies science uses the words cis and trans. They are proper words, not just words made up by social justice warriors. Cis just means on the same side, trans means on different sides. They can describe gender, isomerism, astronomical distances. If skeptic actually knew about science he's know that.

[@whm_w8833]

Just we knew science made it, not Tumblr

[@bleach00101]

onymous _ science is the study of observable things in the material world. We can measure and/or describe the way humans behave. Social science is science. Now is it inorganic chemistry? No. Is it Physics? No. Science takes on many different forms

[@deadlynarwal]

Are you implying that skeptic doesn't know this? He clearly does.

[@Baggereeno]

Cis and trans are also in geography

[@mksabourinable]

Homogeneous? Heterogeneous? Trans fat? Cis fat?? SJW PROPOGANDA!! Lol

[@majestic3992]

Hbomberguy, stop attracting us with your commulist charms.

[@therealtrashman456]

commmulism will prevail, conrad radical memes for communist teens, on my channel

[@jamesmeow3039]

Commulism is the next logical step from Crapitalism

[@Pinklewilly]

Sounds like communism plus cunnilingus. Who could resist THAT?!

[@sortasmart4591]

;) www.marxists.org/history/ussr/sounds/mp3/soviet-anthem.mp3 Enjol, frield

[@onatone]

where is this meme from?

[@victorlannister5606]

As a closeted trans man being called a man made me smile.

[@kiralonely1307]

Yo, just wanted to remind you that you're super tough for hanging in there, and also, a super cool dude. Also, respectfully, and platonically, you're very handsome. :) -sincerely, a fellow trans man who's been there, bud. Wishing you the best.

[@Silversubs29078]

Hold yourself up my man.

[@wiselioness322]

I hope things are going better for you my man.

[@-alovelygaycat-]

Hope things are going well for you, man. I have a few trans man friends and I know things are tough currently (especially in America). You’re stronger than you think you are. Lots of love to you

[@ndhart3213]

I wonder if he transitioned

[@Uejji]

KZbin skeptics: Everything is "feels before reals" now! Also KZbin skeptics: He made me VERY ANGRY!

[@bn444]

Not mutually exclusive.

[@NoahRodriguezShow]

@@bn444 but a clear sign of lack of self-awareness

[@bn444]

@@NoahRodriguezShow No. If anything, it's a clear sign of self-awareness. The statement, "This made me angry", explicitly indicates awareness of one's emotional response; a quality necessary for a human to be objective. Really, the 2 statements are more complimentary than contradictory.

[@kartmo]

@@bn444 , well only if one doesn't base their whole arguments on that feeling, but does everything to cut it out, and he didn't . Otherwise its no where near objective, if you feel smth towards smth and use it as an argument, in this case "it made me angry so that's bad".

[@CuriousKey]

@@bn444 That doesn't really apply when he uses "being very angry" as the basis for his entire argument. You're engaging in apologetics.

[@potaterjim]

"What even _is_ gender expression?" Well, it's how you express your identity as it relates to gender, such as using a picture of someone in traditional mens clothing, while wearing a knights helmet, a historically masculine feature, to represent yourself To put it bluntly, there's literally no way to express "yourself" without also expressing your gender. All features land on the gender spectrum somewhere. Even androgeny is a statement. So don't worry about it "What percentage of the community expresses their gender?" 100%. Literally everyone, no hyperbole. "It's MADE UP" Again, he's literally doing it _while saying it doesn't exist_ This is why we listen to people with education more than we listen to "some guy". You're allowed to have, and even voice, opinions on subjects you don't know about, but that carries the risk of making you sound like an idiot when someone comes along and points out that you don't even know what you're talking about. And the more aggressive you are in making the point, the more foolish you look. How about _literally google it for ten minutes before you make a video on it_

[@devononair]

I love that last point. It's okay to be wrong about stuff, but it's not okay to be a lazy video maker!

[@jayayerson8819]

Agreed. It's a bit like the phrase 'I don't use pronouns.' The response: 'I' is a pronoun.

[@jayayerson8819]

@@loturzelrestaurant I didn't tag you, this was a response to potaterjim.

[@zoey2262]

@@jayayerson8819 anti lgbtq people on their way to say "i dont use pronouns" after using 4 pronouns in their paragraph.

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

And when he says, "it's just fucking fashion! It's made up!" he's so close to getting it 😭. Yeah man, it is largely aesthetics, which are not 100% arbitrary in the sense that humans need to cover their bodies but ARE arbitrary in the sense of a culture deciding that vagina=dresses. Individuals making aesthetic decisions outside of cultural norms is relevant to a discussion of biological sex and the societal constructs built around that notion BECAUSE the first of those things is more complicated and malleable than many people realize or care to admit, and the second one IS FUCKING MADE UP. Language is also fucking made up, but if the majority of people believed that only black people could ever speak Swahili, then it would be pretty damn relevant to a discussion of race to separate the two.

[@ShrubRustle]

I think these people think "political" means "controversial"

[@TAP7a]

... think "political" means *"stance, whether fact or opinion, that doesn't perfectly fit in to their preconceived worldview" ftfy

[@timothymclean]

Reminds me of a segment in one of Innuendo Studio's videos. "Nazis are good" is apolitical, because it's obviously wrong and hence must be a joke, no need to worry about it. "Feminism is good" is controversial because there are people who argue for and against it, so it's political and we need to do something about it.

[@ShrubRustle]

@@timothymclean unfortunately there are actually people who publicly argue for nazism nowadays so that's not the best example anymore

[@timothymclean]

@@ShrubRustle The video was partly about how we got to that point, so... (And there are also plenty of people who still insist that there isn't anyone remotely fascist about any modern political movement. I don't know if they're ignorant of the alt-right or just define "fascism" too narrowly around fascists already in power, or maybe just the Nazis?)

[@KasumiRINA]

Political = not a white male neckbeard or a Karen, the only type of women exist for incels, their mum.

[@AntiArmedWierdo]

“We don’t have to understand or relate to the LGBTs.” No wonder his bi fiancé left him.

[@mushovers3006]

I think you mean his bye fiancé

[@viking-astronaut]

He left her tho pff

[@SpoopySquid]

​@@mushovers3006beautiful

[@ladybugspritz]

@@viking-astronautsure he did :/

[@mizel101]

My favorite part of this video is Hbom going: "it's like Greg heard the phrase 'hey, white people', and immediately turned his brain off"; and when Greg responded to this video - you can see it happening live on his face. That response video is so entertaining.

[@lavenderhuman]

The response video to this was a whole ass roller coaster to watch lol

[@Alexander-the-Mediocre]

@@lavenderhuman shoot I looked for it but I can't find it.

[@ECKtrain]

@@lavenderhuman what happened?

[@metalsonic8888]

It was big of you to assume ignorance rather than dishonesty. It would have been a very easy video to make saying that this guy is dumb and he is being disingenuous (which, frankly, I believe he is), but instead you took his arguments and dismantled those without being insulting or caustic. You gave him the benefit of the doubt at every turn while still explaining the mistakes in his reasoning. Very impressive and very entertaining

[@Spartan155]

As a A.S. viewer, I can say with certainty that it is ignorance rather than dishonesty. A.S. is actually fairly liberal in general and not a climate denier etc, he's just not HIGHLY educated on some of the things he talks about. He gets called out on mishearing or misunderstanding things and not fully checking it out. No one should take him as gospel for sure, but for stuff like conspiracy theories, or quack medicine etc he's competent and entertaining at debunking them. With the "talking to entire races etc" thing by the comedian he clearly heard what he expected to hear. As hbomberguy says in the video, the point the comedian made is that A.S. would agree with the point he was making. This also happened a while back with a law here in Canada that came out and he didn't understand fully how the government worked in relation to it and he got called out by other canadians in the "skeptic" community over it and how his concern wasn't warranted due to this simple misunderstanding. This video is correct though, he was viewing it through a lens in this instance that wasn't super conducive to the conversation. He's better debunking conspiracy videos.

[@0xCAFEF00D]

Without being insulting? Maybe directly. But this is framed in a very condescending way. Especially when you consider his attitude towards the nuclear proponent on the show. 10:05 is presenting the issue as if the renewable guy had laid out a plan for the US to execute on tomorrow or something. Though I guess this is a break from the usual case where he misrepresents other people (matthewmatosis comes to mind) and then acts as if they're idiots when attacking the strawmen he built.

[@NelsonStJames]

He was actually being a bit too kind. To edit a video and only chose the parts that are beneficial to your argument can not be done out of ignorance, since you have to watch the video in it's entirety multiple times to chose those instances. There is no way not to know that the parts you are using are being taken out of context.

[@florencebacus6012]

It seems like he just hears the term gender expression, finds it weird, and just assumes there's no science about it based on this. How skeptical.

[@11tw48]

MAXIMUM SKEPTICISM

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

Especially since its been a recognized scientific term since 1963.

[@m.fraguelaxd2546]

Watching this in 2024 when armoured skeptic has basically become a conspiracy theory chamnel. It's wild, this broke him, he's denying the moon landing now, someone help him

[@Rozilla]

"Too political" = "makes me think about stuff that makes me uncomfortable"

[@Rozilla]

0:37 Also, did that woman just use "Jewish" as an insult? Christ alive 😲

[@mikehawk9531]

It's a show about science, not politics. If I watched a show for science and then it was just a shit tonne of politics I would say "boy jee this seems a little too political for me"

[@adamtherock2008]

Shadowhelmet Umm... did you forget when Lauren Southern and her far right Rebel Media goon squad tried to shut down and protest Julius Caesar because they were offended that it had a Trump lookalike getting killed. They literally started calling the audience "Goebbels". Stupidity is not at all limited to conservatives.

[@adamtherock2008]

*Edit - limited to liberals.

[@dragonbones3885]

*Not enough les-bi politicz -Anita Sarwuusequinn

[@AutisticTea]

I used to be a fan of Skeptic, for his usual well-informed and calm debunking of issues, but over the years I got more and more uncomfortable with his arguments. There was this building feeling of willful ignorance in regards to racism and sexism topics. Eventually I stopped watching because I just didn't find them enjoyable anymore. I'm glad this video exists because it helped me solidify what I had been feeling for a while, and helped me understand it wasn't just me.

[@synthetic240]

Yeah; I've watched some of his flat earth debunking videos, but this level of ignorance on his part is embarrassing, at best. I mean, I hate as much as anyone how the SJW "community" has turned certain phrases and terms into emotionally charged trigger-words (ironically, "triggered" being one of those words) and frankly abused people's growing sympathy since the 90s for the LGBTQ community to further their own selfish, equally ignorant goals. So much so that some people instantly start displaying the same sort of mindless toxicity that they accuse the SJWs of. I don't think I'll be watching more of Armored Skeptic.

[@OMGCROW]

He's dropped the "SJW" videos for the most part since this altercation nearly 2 years ago, and I've gotten into his more recent content anyways. He's began doing more interesting videos, and yes, research.

[@joealexander2388]

Plug

[@iTzNikkitty]

It really is quite disappointing how he ended up falling into that rabbit hole around 2016 with a lot of other KZbinrs as well. Thankfully though, I think he's been starting to grow out of it recently. He's had some more good videos recently that kind of go back to his roots of debunking conspiracy nuts. I think that's where he should try to stick to, it's the area he shines in.

[@dhaisley]

Helene Dupres ditto. He and Shoe are fun to watch they’ve just shown themselves to be too ignorant on some subjects for me to continue to watch them.

[@Alarios711]

Naked ape was the worst offender with this ...using that ultra harsh tone, with that fake empathy bullshit "i don't want these sick people to die". He misrepresented a study claiming trans were killing themselves more after the surgery (wich was true .... on the tune of 4% difference) while ignoring that societal pressure/familial pressure accounted for 30-40% difference. Notified this on his comments ... got pushed to the bottom. Truth is not exactly a priority for these people.

[@puellanivis]

So, I had kind of looked into that study at one point. Turns out there are two(?) studies, or at least two data pools that were examined. They found that in the United States suicide rates didn’t really go down, but over in much more tolerant Europe, (Denmark?) the suicide rates actually _did_ go down. And like, there was some meta examination about this, and it’s like… huh, maybe, the problems that trans people face is discrimination and harassment, and _that_ is what causes the most harm to their psychological condition. So, if you’re in a culture that doesn’t give a fuck if you don’t pass and hate on you, you’re probably going to feel just as shitty, and not experience any psychological health benefits… and even if you do pass, you’re still seeing that harassment and discrimination against those that don’t, and humans with their silly empathy crap, internalize the pains felt by others that they identify with. Then you get to a land that’s more tolerant, and it’s like, “hey, I don’t have to deal with people treating me like a freak, or that I have to hide myself. Wow, things are much better now!” And this makes sense, because gender dysphoria in some ways sucks in and of itself… having the wrong stuff, eww, icky, my whole body is literally _made_ of cooties, sort of dysphoria. But the chief psychological issues facing trans people is the abuse, harassment, and discrimination of others against them. I mean, those things are already widely recognized to effect damage, harm, and injury in children… why should we say that trans people are not just as susceptible to the horrible psychological consequences of abuse…

[@jamesmeow3039]

Alarios711 But he's gay. He's immune from criticism you guys.

[@CitizenLenny]

Naked Ape is an outspoken conservative and white nationalism-apologist. He literally does not give a single fuck about actually being factually correct about anything: he has his own agenda to spin around and tries to achieve it by arguing in horrendously bad faith and overtly disrespectful and obnoxious behaviour to win over both the people that already believed in his viewpoints to begin with and the people who listen to anybody who sets themselves up as "anti-PC". He attempts to make himself credible by using _some_ factual statements from which he then jumps to completely incorrect conclusions - in the way you mentioned - by either leaving out information deliberately or representing the broader image from a single, usually absurdly extrapolated assumption to go along with the earlier fact he presented (and sometimes he just skips this part and gives you the incorrect conclusion straight-on, maybe just tokenize his identity as a homosexual conservative to somehow 'prove' he must be right because he doesn't adhere to the stereotype of minorities being left-leaning (???) ). Combine this that a major part of his audience is always eager to troll and harass anybody he has designated to be an evil-wrongthinking-regressive, and you've got the perfect recipe for someone who is absolutely _not_ worth engaging with.

[@Alarios711]

puellanivis Yep exactly but even in the UCLA (U.S) study Naked Ape used, you can clearly see that job harassment, familial abuse, even being refused goods (appartments, some services and so on) account for like 30-40% difference (like 30% vs 65% more prone to suicide). So the outcome of the study that fucker used is very clearly : "The more you bash them the more they are gonna kill themselves" wich, of course, makes perfect sense. People can't endure repeated bullying without some kind of fucked up mental breakdown. But instead he chose to focus on a very small variable, and claim : "we need to treat them and stop transition surgeries, because it's killing them". Wich ironicaly is the kind of discourse that actually encourages them to end their lives. Scummy as fuck.

[@recordatron]

Naked ape has ligitimately been identified as one of the first human beings to have the genetic makeup of a large pile of crusted excriment. True story like...

[@oswaldfriedman7116]

You gotta love how one of the guys is named red pill theory, you know, a reference to a movie made by two trans women that is largely read as a trans allegory. It feels very “having your cake and eating it too”

[@benm8214]

Plus Post-Modernism philosophy is a huge inspiration for it. You can guess what they'd think about that particular school of thought

[@caninecurry5823]

As a matrix fan, and a fan of equality in general, I'm still deflated at how the right has tried to claim the red pill metaphor... the ignorant turds.

[@1heilpeatler1]

huh?

[@legion999]

To be fair they weren't trans when they made it. Is...that an okay way to phrase it? Also, as for the allegory, that seems like pretty big stretch. I kind of see where you can claim there are broad similarities, but I have serious doubts it's interpreted this way in any significant amounts.

[@uncroppedsoop]

@@legion999 A, trans people always were trans, they just take time to realize. B, they literally wanted to put in a character who was opposite genders inside and outside of the Matrix, but decided against it thinking it would be too blatant

[@QuiteDan]

"Well balanced" is a euphemism for "Reactionary wingnuts deserve just as much attention as the field experts."

[@Trint3e]

It's actually called the balance fallacy.

[@insanehippiehippieinsane3828]

ANTIFA IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION AT THE G20 CONFERANCE YOU DID A NEW "NIGHT OF BROKEN GLASS" EXEPT YOU MOSTLY BURNED CARS

[@travdump209]

...What?

[@BootsyMagoofy]

Oh, InsaneHippie. Go back to finger painting with your poop and leave the political thinking to the adults.

[@insanehippiehippieinsane3828]

That was NOT a political statement but a HISTORICAL comparison about what happened in Nov 9, 1938 - Nov 10, 1938 to the riots during the 2017 G20 summit. HISTORY NOT POLITICS Game_Cat maybe you need the finger paints if you could not tell that.

[@MegaChickenfish]

The only thing Bill Nye "went too far" on was having a song about sexuality. That's like getting The Talk from your parents. Technically informative, super cringy.

[@uncroppedsoop]

Even that isn't "too far" so much as it's just, like, way too _much_ for most people, but it was a gag to be fair

[@foragegrasspause2gotoloop961]

Oh man, that song. A-tonal drawing out a rhym on "more" and "or". It was... It gave me a tangible reaction of second - hand embarrassment; if only there was a word for this!

[@11matt555]

@@uncroppedsoop Nah it's cringe.

[@uncroppedsoop]

@@11matt555 didn't say it wasn't

[@redactedoktor]

It’s mad cringe bruv, but, I really appreciate the thought and effort behind it. The idea goes a long way.

[@timthememer2785]

I love how people like Skeptic will say 'well everyone's racist sometimes' but then when someone makes a joke about white people which is fundamentally absolutely harmless it makes them 'Very... very angry.'

[@Sines314]

Stuff like this happens because we see enough actual racists, and so we get edgy and on-guard, and go tilting at windmills. I have a coworker, who really does not like Mexicans. They're lazy, and often criminals or drug addicts. Total racist, right? Except the guy loves plenty of other Central and South American countries. He's been around the place, and concluded that Mexico is the crappiest part of the hispanic world. In the first part where I explain he doesn't like Mexicans, I never mentioned race, only nationality, and I'm sure a lot of people would have jumped at that shadow of racism that wasn't there. It's a fault all-round. We mock our enemies for jumping at shadows, but then we leap up when the room gets a bit dark. It's always easy to make fun of people for being afraid of nothing, but when it's your life (or feelings) on the line, then it's not so funny.

[@GaylenOraylee]

Ah yes, the "but i acknowledge there are some *good* ones!" defense. IE "but I made Ben Carson a secretary of something, so I can't hate black people. I just think many of them are inherently terrible and he's an exception (because he agrees with me.)"

[@MrDanielZie]

What white person gets angry about jokes aimed at white people?

[@Sines314]

The point is, Gaylen, that he hates Mexicans specifically. Rightly or wrongly, he does not like them. But if he is fine with the vast majority of hispanics, then by what criteria do you judge him racist? If you do not like Texans, or New Yorkers, or the Irish, does that mean you're racist against white people? Or does it mean you just don't like a specific subset of white people? Nobody accuses people of racism when they say they hate American Southerners. Why would you accuse my coworker of racism when he says he doesn't like Mexicans? Whether dislike of these people is reasonable, or not, is unimportant to the discussion. We don't like a group of people due to their local culture. That is not racism. You are simply proving my point. You jump at the shadow of racism. Because "I hate Mexicans" is indeed a thing that racists would say. But it is not a thing that only racists would say. I don't know much about Central and South American culture, but I'm willing to bet that the various countries of that area have differing opinions of the people from them. Perhaps Argentinians really hate Columbians, for example. If so, would it be racism or simple tribalism? Or perhaps, Columbia is just a crappy place, and the Argentinians are right? It could be any of them to my knowledge. But if you accuse anyone who dislikes another group of people of racism, then you devalue the word, and it has no meaning.

[@cande9023]

really old reply on my part, but as an Argentinian I can confirm that there's a lot of racism/xenophobia directed at other latin american countries or even at poc that reside in here, especially because the majority here is caucasian and doesn't like their status quo being threatened (even if that ends up concluding in racism against native americans who have lived here since before the start of the country's formation). So yeah, don't assume what are the racial tension on other countries or that the same discrimation directed at argentinians is the same one mexicans face, even if you have a friend's pov on the subject. Chances are tourist will never be met with that kind of disregard. I do understand the point you were trying to make though, but latin americans aren't a homogeneous group of people either.

[@TheScaredLittleScholar]

The thing that really gets me about armoredskeptic saying that he understands he should treat all people, regardless of gender, as people, is that… he’s not. Because the moment he treats evidence that acknowledges the experiences of people on all parts of gender spectrum are inherently biased and not accurate, the moment he treats the opinion that being trans isn’t real is the basis of a reality that trans advocates have the obligation to disprove before being taken seriously, he is establishing his experience as a cisgender man as more valuable, more true, than any other human experience. So, not only is he very much dehumanizing transgender people, he is viewing transgender identity and transgender issues as not even on the same level of reality as him.

[@CarissaNomadic]

Preeeetty much. The second one says "you're an irrational clown and a trend chasing fool, but you're my buddy and my equal", that said one is neither seeing you as buddy nor equal. I can't believe people think it's not aggressiveness when the hostile rejection isn't even thinly veiled!

[@deadfish1389]

I actually watched that Skeptic video and agreed at the time, but I realize now that doing this was a mistake, since I hadn't actually watched Bill Nye's new show, or done much research myself. I'm glad I found this video-- it is really well done and opened my eyes a bit. Great video, man.

[@lnfreeman]

fishy I hope you've also now watched the show and formed opinions based on the primary source. As cute and sweet as Hbomber is, we mustn't take *his* thoughts for granted either 😄

[@silver4831]

When I was young I fell for him, but now I see him for the shill he really is.

[@justanordinarycritic4953]

Same thing with me

[@reneelucero2923]

I hope now you learned your lesson: If you can, always watch the original source. If you don't then like John said, you're just following the same cycle and repeating the same mistake.

[@dainmallory6756]

tandoku I watched the episode, and I still agree, mostly because I feel like the approach of the entire episode was off. I feel it could’ve been handled leagues better.

[@nesslig2025]

That part "he made me angry....he made me very angry" gave me a chuckle.

[@subroy7123]

That's the "factzoverfeelz" community for you.

[@U6kCtBuN]

i felt it was left in as a funny bit exaggerating how he felt, which would be supported by the intentionally "sloppy" editing.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

Nesslig 20 Skeptic SMASH

[@Noctua8]

Misinterpreting jokes as always I see

[@hawaiianrobot]

what joke

[@Maxisamo1]

How you know hbomberguy is one of the best skeptical KZbinrs: -Rarely punches down (Example: ShoeOnHead constantly makes videos making fun of nobodies saying/doing dumb stuff and then treats it as if that's how the whole political affiliation is, then says it's all simply for humor even though her followers are taking it as bible) -Plays Devil's Advocate -Admits his own faults without having to be called out -DOES THE RESEARCH -Still tells you to go do the research yourself and to take your own look at whatever he's talking about, and not just take his word for it ("I know one thing; that I know nothing" -Socrates)

[@orionmartoridouriet6834]

And the bowtie, very important

[@Jimbo386000]

To be fair... it’s not Shoe’s fault that her audience is made up of like 80% dumb cunts who take her word as law. I like her channel, but for what it is: humor. Hahaha

[@MrJustinArt]

@@Jimbo386000 I mean... you reap what you sow.

[@ZaxploitationFilms]

The fact that he gave Armoured Sceptic the benefit of the doubt is pretty amazing. The likelihood of him pushing an agenda or just pandering for his community is really high, but hbomberguy rises above it

[@BARelement]

Maxisamo1 true her and skeptic are KZbin’s new cancer couple 😂.

[@thaddeushamlet]

There's something cathartic about having been an anti-sjw armoured skeptic fan years ago, and now watching you reveal the flaws in his video. I don't remember what I thought about that video, but I do recall thinking that Bill was "somewhat wrong" about gender stuff at the time. Now here I am as a possibly genderqueer person 😆

[@shoutuckerdidnothingwrong]

There's no such thing as genderqueer.

[@skunknoodles6426]

@@shoutuckerdidnothingwrong just like the amount of time you spend outside and not invalidating people?

[@shoutuckerdidnothingwrong]

@@skunknoodles6426 The left truly can't meme.

[@hydeme]

@@shoutuckerdidnothingwrong you make me feel as braindead as you are from reading that comment

[@shoutuckerdidnothingwrong]

@@hydeme If you believe there are more than 2 genders, you're already braindead, sorry!

[@tenaarfeiri7164]

I kinda disagree that Skeptic didn't notice he was wrong. With all the stages in editing and the many days, sometimes weeks you spend getting videos just right, it's hard to claim anything about it was accidental. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

[@devononair]

I agree. I think Harris was being extremely accommodating. I have been in the situation Skeptic is in when making an arguement, and I can't ever imagine not becoming aware of what I was doing when making such a video. You'd essentially have to edit the video without watching it. The only counterpoint might be that Skeptic is so into the cultural appropriate debate that he didn't really watch the stand up part and just assumed he knew what it was about. I think it's easy to fall into that particular trap when we think we know what someone is going to say.

[@eatme982]

@@devononair Skeptic, as I've seen, is extremely stubborn and capable of being irrational. He's great when tackling topics he knows well, atheistic debates and the such, but not so great at others. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I don't think he's a BAD or DECEITFUL individual. I think he got tunnelvisioned and couldn't drop it. Maybe I'm wrong tho. I haven't watched him in like 3 years.

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

@@eatme982 You haven't watched him in 3 years. Watch the video Vadim (Creationist Cat) made in response to what Greg said about him at MythCon. Greg deliberately edits his videos to take his subject out of context and says something nice about them at the end to try to disarm criticism. Also, watch Logicked's videos pointing out how Greg used Christian Conservative and Alt-Right sources to lie about Bill C16 and other Transgender Protection bills in Canada. Greg is transphobic hiding it under a veneer of "tolerance is enough".

[@kindlin]

HBG was giving him a massive benefit-of-the-doubt type situation, but honestly, as you point out, how could he really not have picked up on this at some point?

[@wintermornings4724]

I used to really like people like armoured skeptic a few years back. I didn’t realize then how biased and and full on damaging his views could be, and were for me in my formative years. This video kinda helped me move on in some weird way?? Like closing an incredibly toxic chapter of my life. Hecc, Maybe I’m biased!! As a non-binary person and all. I’m really glad I watched this video!! Idk if this made sens since I’m really sleep deprived but I wanted to say thanks op

[@devononair]

Hey non-binary pal *high five*

[@cobyhalverson7832]

Yes, very much the same for me. I used to be the anti-left centrist. I left that behind me many months ago, but this video is an odd sort of closure to that dark chapter of my life.

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+Mason Jar Official “As a non-binary person-“ “omg you don’t have to SHOVE your SJW AGENDA down my THROAT, libtard”

[@hamluk_]

@@cosmicjenny4508 exactly how they sound, yep

[@dangernoodle9961]

I'm in the same boat except I still like Skeptic. I just don't take him as seriously as I used to, lol. At least he's not enbyphobic really anymore because that shit got old real quick. His conspiracy theory debunking videos and stuff are still enjoyable to me, and honestly I just really like June and stuck around for both of them lol. I like to keep my worldview balanced by watching a lot of different people with very different opinions and skeptic and June are some of them, along with this guy lol

[@montezuma0000]

I've been waiting for this one for a while. I watched that video Skeptic made and was blown away at how little he backs up his conclusions and how much time he spends saying "this made me very angry".

[@Avrysatos]

Dylan Duval if He's angry how can he talk about stuff with an unbiased and skeptical eye

[@UncannyXander]

Dylan Duval I like how a man talking about gender and progressive acceptance makes reactionaries angry.

[@Squalidarity]

That quote was my reaction to his review lol

[@extremepostyo5242]

The youtube 'skeptic community' often either ignores social science exists or claims that social science has no merit. If they are going by this logic then it's easy to understand why these people wouldn't even look at the evidence because they wouldn't think that it's credible.

[@futurestoryteller]

That's mostly what this community is. Angry white people who think being "rational" is getting really angry. Unless you disagree with them, then you're "triggered"

[@FlareShift]

man, it is wild to come back to this video from when i first saw it in 2017, where i thought it was pesudoscience bullshit, and being upset that Nye had been corrupted by the "feminists". To come all the way back around to re-watching after having my own Bi awakening in 2020, and now in 2022 where i have an actual boyfriend! Its amazing how much things change in even just a few years.

[@subroy7123]

omg congratulations from a fellow queer person :)

[@FlareShift]

lol im trans now. lmao.

[@CaitPepsi]

​@@FlareShiftbased

[@marball]

@@FlareShiftyea it be like that sometimes

[@FlareShift]

Lmao now I'm gay again, but in the opposite direction this time

[@cosmicjenny4508]

That bit about your bowtie being made by your Mom was actually pretty sweet. Made me go “Awwww”, honestly :)

[@alcatrazthatguyontheintern1465]

I did the complete same. His mother's fashion sense is the most underrated portion of this episode.

[@kaiberry8876]

In a sea of hatred, flame wars and fear arises a little ship of happiness. Thank you, little ship. You give me hope.

[@danb4900]

That sounds about right

[@n0tthemessiah]

Found Hbomberguy's mom.

[@separatista]

"Transtrenders" don't exist. We don't have a choice. No one chooses to be trans. Plz let us exist and be happy and have our individual gender expression

[@sawyernorthrop4078]

What doesn't exist? I've never heard this term before

[@separatista]

@@sawyernorthrop4078 nothing

[@finntracy3235]

even the people that do think theyre trans for a while and then realize they arent are not trenders, theyre just people that explored thier own identity for a bit. Theres nothing wrong with that

[@jacobhu4431]

I mean, if you get diagnosed with it, go ahead, you’re not hurting anybody, so go right ahead.

[@finntracy3235]

Jacob hu diagnosed with what?

[@venus_envy]

For people who don't want to use "cis-", it's usually because using that prefix implicitly acknowledges that trans people exist and are valid and that being cis isn't _always_ the default, and I think that makes them extremely uncomfortable even if they don't realize it.

[@scarabus3413]

Not really by saying cis you’re just labeling things, isn’t the whole point that things aren’t black and white?

[@venus_envy]

@@scarabus3413 Well, there's cis, trans, and people who consider themselves (or are considered by others) something else. Gender queer, non-binary, Hijra (India), lady-boy (Thailand), two-spirit (Turtle Island), etc. The list is as long as there are cultures on Earth. Just putting a label on something isn't inherently trying to quash whatever else exists, it doesn't deny that a spectrum may exist; it's just a useful thing we do for ourselves. If some people have other reasons for rejecting cis, I've not yet encountered them, but I'm sure they exist.

[@scarabus3413]

Scribonius Thursday, also I’ve always wondered, trans people are people whose brain tells them they are the opposite sex, so whats the point of calling themselves trans if they are the opposite sex, and whats the point of calling people who aren’t trans cis?

[@venus_envy]

@@scarabus3413 If I'm misunderstanding you feel free to tell me, but I think what you're asking is if a trans woman feels like she is a woman, why would she call herself trans and not just a woman? I'd say that there probably are some trans people who do this, particularly if they can get away with 'passing' in such a way that they are not in danger of attacks from other people. There are also cultures with really old traditions surrounding transitioning, where if you transition, you really must commit totally to living your life as the gender you transitioned to, to the point of rigidly following the gender stereotypes of that culture and not having any flexibility with your gender expression. I believe also in this case any mentions of or references to the transition are taboo going forward. However, for most trans folk, there will be a significant, perhaps very drawn-out period in their lives in which they are trying to understand why the gender expressions being foisted onto them by society just don't feel right, why their own body feels anywhere from off to downright alien to them, and then a period in which they transition from not understanding, to gaining an understanding, from one kind of gender expression to another or perhaps many others, from one body to possibly another if they choose to or are afforded access to a physical transition (not all trans folk even want this, note). So, for them, transitioning is a verb they perform a lot in their lives, one that they have to be conscious of in a way that others are not. One may transition from one job to another, but it doesn't risk you to the core of your being. When the verb becomes something you live, you may at that point feel like it's partly able to define you, your lived experience, etc. Hence you would be 'trans'. I can't remember all the content of this video because I watched it 2 months ago, so maybe this was covered: the word 'trans' is Latin and it mean to cross over, go to the other side, to go across something, while 'cis' means the opposite, as Romans apparently felt that was useful. So, something that stays on one side of something is cis. Think of it in terms of mountain ranges if it helps, some are _trans_ continental, some are _cis_ continental (or national or whatever). As for why call people who are not trans 'cis'; it's just useful for trans people for a number of reasons. It helps trans folk and cis allies alike talk about _transness_ in a more humanizing way. Let's say we didn't have 'cis' so we said "trans vs normal people". From a mathematical point of view (assuming you mean normal to just refer to the majority of people), this is correct and not necessarily offensive, of a little cold-sounding. But realistically, most people are not mathematicians, statisticians, actuaries, etc., and so they will use and think of the word 'normal' in a more colloquial sense, with it's positive and negative connotations attached. Words have a lot of baggage, after all, and people are instinctive wary of people who are dramatically different from them. If you are cis, as I am (by the way, any non-cis people reading this feel free to talk over me, I've said a lot about a subject I've not lived, sorry if anything is misrepresented), you are 'normal' (statically, this is indisputable), but is normal inherently better than not? Certainly, 'normal' has positive connotation, and a lack of normalcy has the opposite. If trans folk and allies alike want to get around this, which might both wear a person down a bit after a while and give a bad impression of grandness to the uninformed laity, they do well to use 'cis', although the response from some cis people is that they're "just normal and they don't need a fancy new word", but the thing is, neither the words 'cis' or 'trans' are new, nor is transgenderism itself, and nor are the other myriad of ways that genders are divided up in other cultures, good or bad. These are all pretty ancient things Bottom line, if you are cis, no one is forcing you to put it on your resumé, or introduce yourself as cis at parties, it's just useful to have a word for the opposite of trans, even if it is perceived (statistically, socially, historically) as the default. Sorry the got long.

[@scarabus3413]

Scribonius Thursday I see what you’re saying, think that helped me understand about the cis part, not so much for the trans part

[@notpointed]

"I was gonna cover a whole bunch of people but then I became completely sidetracked by this one guy" Foreshadowing is a literary device-!

[@justjulia1720]

The more things change, the more they stay the damn same!

[@jagorzravnice]

5:25 "i might be male, and you might be male" gender euphoria: 100

[@nablachi819]

that line gave me dysphoria ;-;

[@johnathanmushet7128]

@@nablachi819 I might be male, and you might be female :) Unless you're some flavor of nonbinary, for which case I have no pithy remark. Regardless, you are valid.

[@WandG_Fan]

But I'm not male. I'm a letter. 😂😂😂

[@famous1692]

"THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS!!!!" said the angry guy failing to notice that Bill's literal stance was that gender is expressed on a spectrum with male on one end and female on the other. Someone help me work out this basic math.

[@randomuser5443]

I think they were referring to how the people that believe gender is a spectrum are the people the get very prissy over extra intermediate genders not being excepted and that relation.

[@cediviannareeda4305]

There's also gender non-binary, nonconforming, fluid, I think it's much more than a simple spectrum

[@memeosaurusrex3382]

Agender, bigender, pangender, genderfluid, and demigender people exist too. Spectrum doesn’t begin to describe it

[@tifforo1]

Spectrum with two ends is a distinct conceptualization from binary

[@DrJones0801]

@@memeosaurusrex3382 Man and woman. Boom, end of story.

[@Shenaldrac]

"What is gender expression? What do words mean? I know what gender means, and I know what expression means, but when you put them together like that suddenly my brain just stops working." It's how someone *expresses* their *gender,* come on dude it's not THAT hard to figure out.

[@U6kCtBuN]

i mean the word "gender" has taken a wild ride in changing meaning lately, you could give him the benefit of the doubt on that before going straight for insults.

[@oof-rr5nf]

@@U6kCtBuN Benefit of the doubt! That fucker has hundreds of thousands of subscribers whom he sells rotten ideas to backed up by lies on a regular basis and earns profit off it! He deserves a chance now, does he? He straight up can say shit like "gender expression is made up" and offer no explanations or citation, but us criticising him is clearly the real problem. Right?

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

@@U6kCtBuN No it hasn't. People who hate social science deliberately pretend as though "gender" and "sex" have the same meaning, even though they don't, and haven't since Kinsey's research. It's the same bullshit as pretending Evolution hasn't changed since Darwin.

[@LilyCook635985]

I'm fairly certain it was a rhetorical question

[@IrvingIV]

Just piling in here, responding to the initial comment. New Ideas you may not have considered are often confusing, it is then on you to attempt to understand these new things.

[@acebee46]

"Why are you telling us not to use Asian mysticism if you hate it" ...............if that's how he interpreted that scene, he's basically saying "why are you telling people not to be racist if racism is bad"

[@RoboticFemboy]

I couldn't imagine calling myself "Amoured Skeptic" and never questioning or testing my own beliefs.

[@sutyerator]

That's why he's armored. He needed a safe space from other people's opinions.

[@leilahnicki2111]

He does all the time. He made a stupid video about Bill Nye, that's all you really know. Do you ever question or test your beliefs? Why should I believe you if you say yes.

[@blazzzeboy]

Fan of both creators here, he does. People just make up shit about up him and spread it around.

[@n64p3]

seen a lot of videos where he does it and talks about it. People like to watch 1 clip from a video of his and paint him as some lunatic alt-right neo-nazi when if you actually listen to him he is just arguing against what he views as wrong with the mainstream thought process since it is the most damaging

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

Skeptics tend to be as biased and set in their ways as everyone else. They try their very best to remain objective but the reality is the human brain doesn't work that way. They still have pre conceived notions, they still ignore facts that don't fit those notions and make the same fallacious arguments as everyone else.

[@gaphic]

This channel is such a joy. It's basically the only place on the entire internet where I can relax, secure in the knowledge that the incoming thoughts and opinions will be intelligent and reasonable. Even the comments are mostly above the youtube average

[@lugus9261]

I hope cannibalism is legal in the ice cream world

[@johnhandzlik659]

Liam Dyer ice cream World is fuck up please

[@RockBottomRiser21]

It's a meritocracy depending on who got the most freezer time.

[@comradeseebart5369]

They would steel each others ice-cream balls

[@Kimmaline]

I met Bill at an industry wedding some years back, and he really was lovely. We only spoke for a moment (I am actually a professional swidge, I married into telelvision...there was endless canoodling to be done) but he still managed to make me laugh and feel really comfortable and was one of about four people in attendance who didn't ask me something really uncomfortable about my obvious disability. He is just a nice dude, from my very exceptionally limited experience.

[@teathesilkwing7616]

I thought you said “Indonesian welding” and wondered what the fuck bill was doing welding in Indonesia lol

[@vycanismelodis]

A long time back, I was an anti-SJW or whatever, watching people like Armoured Skeptic saying these things and agreeing with him. Then I saw this video, came to it from your Undertale one and it challenged my beliefs. Long story short, I did research and now I'm the SJW myself, hahaha

[@kiwi8133]

this comment made me happy to read :''')

[@thefirsttime7759]

You need to come back

[@merikijiya13]

Feminazi swedge

[@RustyWalker]

I think "advocate" is probably more accurate.

[@Boomrainbownuke9608]

so your going to join the other nutcases and fuck up society more? the fuck is wrong with you