Pick Up Artistry: A Measured Response

[@BlueLizardKing]

Can you get restraining orders against people you've never met before?

[@miku4977]

m o o d

[@thatoneguynextdoor8794]

Sadly, no you can't. At least to my knowledge.

[@thatoneguynextdoor8794]

@Aaron Heych I am sorry, but no you cannot get a restraining order against someone you haven't met before or at least had contact of some sort. In his case however you don't need to be afraid of rape anymore because he became a fundamentalist Christian and now condemnes sex without marriage, so yeah, don't marry him I guess.... Quite an interesting journey, no?

[@Akumasama]

I'm not even a woman and I want a restraining order against them.

[@suides4810]

Jaromir Pavlat He is also now into maskuline bread making

[@weronikabober234]

"Tap her 3 times on the shoulder, wait for her to turn around, and deliver your opening line. If you do this while holding a bowl, you will clip through the floor which will cause the now open date counter to glitch and you will get infinite dates. You can trade those for healing items with your local vendor."

[@CallofBear]

After that congratulate yourself... no, not like that :#

[@thelrproject257]

your comment made my vision go blurry. well done

[@djpheeze]

There aren't enough feminist speedrunning jokes in this poor world.

[@MopedOfJustice]

This is amazing, it needs to be a thing.

[@MrToBeEvil]

Read this again a month later. Still made me laugh hard

[@nicosonico94]

"Women aren't trained to submit to men anymore." My god that's uncomfortable.

[@politicalnerdV]

He says it like it's a bad thing.

[@Mantafirefly]

@K Sounds like a pretty standard narcissistic pattern there. It used to confuse the hell out of me as to why the obvious truth of "Your ideas are just wrong, change them and experience more success" doesn't penetrate their heads. Now from personal experience it seems that introspection isn't a universal ability for humans, some people literally cannot form the idea of being wrong in their heads, which means they will never learn why they keep repeating the cycle which, in the case of the guy you mention, ends up with lots of divorces. Then there's the trap of nearsightedness, where pickup artist techniques get "results" sooner than a more healthy approach. Meaning that anyone trying to form a relationship after using PUA their whole life will feel it's slow and not working, when really they're just being impatient or just finding out the person they're going after was incompatible sooner.

[@frightenedsoul]

@@loturzelrestaurant yes I actually discovered him first. Love Forrest’s videos.

[@frightenedsoul]

@@loturzelrestaurant I haven’t heard of them. More great new channels to check out? Alright! Thank you!

[@frightenedsoul]

@@loturzelrestaurant those recommendations led me to a fantastic channel called Philosophy Tube that I think you would really like as well.

[@tastypringlestick5948]

The list of ways to crush a girl's self-esteem sounds like a guide to most effectively and efficiently mentally abusing the person you have a relationship with. These points are literally some of what abuse survivers will talk about.

[@user-garnet]

The whole damn article feels like parody, like a way to show and educate victims the exact methods abusers use. It baffles me he is saying it unironically

[@thats-too-salty]

Omg yes. The entire time I was thinking exactly this. This is what abusers do. They treat you like objects that they can force their own hatred and problems on without any consideration to you or the person you are. To them, you’re a toy to lash out at when you’re mad or upset.

[@rileymitchell3510]

Yeah this is just a 'how to' for abusers.

[@isenokami7810]

Because at the end of the day, that’s what this is all about. No wonder they actually hate the sex, it’s just another abuse instrument to them.

[@StarryxNight5]

Oh yeah no, that is literally just everything abusers do. Major fucking red flags if someone does it even unintentionally, and this guy is here meticulously describing how to do it methodically. Trust me when I say this is actual, literal psychopath behaviour

[@ワンダフルバニーモヒロザ]

I'm a Japanese. I clicked this video without even understanding what exactly "pick up artistry" means(my English is poor). But as I watch through, I slowly realized this is about the book I once bought at the co-op store in my university looking for serious advice about romance only to throw away after reading first 30 pages or so saying "I mean if I were courageous enough to speak to 100 random women I wouldn't need this book..." That's right, a translated version of one of these books made it on the shelf of the co-op store in a JAPANESE NATIONAL UNIVERSITY. I didn't read through the book so I didn't really realize how misogynistic the book is, but man, this realization sent a chill down my spine.

[@RycoreXIII]

Wow this is genuinely disturbing. Also I appreciate how you say you have "Poor English" yet you're more eloquent than like 90% of people in comment sections.

[@V4rya]

I would’ve made sure to “lose” every copy from the library, even if it means i’d have to pay fees

[@davids182]

@@V4rya you realize that would probably only result in the library buying more and giving them more money.

[@dimethyltryptamine8610]

I think you have very good english!

[@FrancoDFernando]

lol It's kinda funny that you say your English is poor, but the only grammatical error I can see is your very first sentence. After that, your English is perfect. You even use an idiom. Other than that first sentence, your grammar and punctuation is better than most people care to do on KZbin.

[@무군]

"Never tell a girl that you like her" "Beta males have problems telling girls that they like them" I'm getting conflicting intel here.

[@christopherbrown1848]

Nah, the first probably means that you have a crush on her (because she could crush you and that's not alpha) while the second is probably that you are sexually attracted to her (as only betas would suppress the urge to immediately speak about what arouses them to the person who aroused them). Basically, cat calls are fine, but no saying "I'm in love with you". Hopefully speaks for itself.

[@zzombiedogg]

Christopher Brown Catcalls are not fine

[@christopherbrown1848]

@@zzombiedogg I'm aware of that. I was speaking about what I thought the "pick up artist" community meant by these seemingly contradictory phrases, not my own opinion on the matter. I thought saying "Hopefully speaks for itself" about favoring catcalling and never saying "I love you" to a woman in any context, would make my lack of personal support for those statements clear, but evidently I was wrong in that assumption.

[@musiciseverything120]

@@christopherbrown1848 I know you're aware of how dumb this is but its just literally so dumb becasue they're literally saying "some feelings are *alpha feelings(TM)* while other different feelings are *cuck feelings(TM)* and I arbitrarily decide which is which" and it's just fucking so stupidd aaaaahhhh When you reveal a truth about yourself, you *are* making yourself vulnerable to another person (whether that truth is attraction or love or trust or whatever you feel). Like when you say "i feel x about you" you're making yourself vulnerable to rejection. That's the way human interaction works, in fact, it's what makes it meaningful (that people hang out with you becasue they actually *want* to). Why this fucking dumbass arbitrary line between attraction and love? Whats the fucking difference?

[@anacarolinam7603]

I like the bit about alphas living in their own reality, it speaks for itself

[@dragontatoes]

The descriptions of sex have to be the most libido-slaughtering sentences I've ever heard.

[@contentsniffer]

So that's a no to the "genetic package" then?

[@JohnSmith-bg2yu]

you trynna say "pump slowly, getting slightly farther in with each pump until you cock is wet." isn't the height of erotic literature?

[@Arbmosal]

I think it is supposed to be. 'it's not about the joy of sec but about the sex itself, and the bragging rights of course'

[@nathanclark2424]

My balls retracted back into my pelvis and reversed my puberty. That's how bad it is.

[@murrfeeling]

@@JohnSmith-bg2yu "Detach the gamete heads of your cleft semipenis into the ooze before the female retracts her ovipositor from the viscous egg mass adhered to her ossified exoskeleton."

[@agrainofsun]

Fun fact: the _thing_ Roosh uses is not a lego, but a piece of the "gormiti", a line of monster toys made and published in Italy that was popular around 2006 and quickly disappeared from markets. They became quite impossible to find after 2012, even in Italy. I have no fucking idea how this guy ended up with them

[@nikolasa.6163]

We had Gormiti in Greece too, I still have a box full of them at home, xD

[@leobarascasanova8077]

In Spain Gormiti also went pretty strong for some years. Nowadays, no more are sold as far as I know

[@royalhydra9790]

Something potentially funnier to note, is that Roosh fell down the manosphere rabbit hole in college. He is also about 40 years old rn. He either A somehow found these toys out and about, or B he has had them the whole time. By the time I assume that video came out, he must’ve been doing pick up artistry for a decade

[@agrainofsun]

@@royalhydra9790 "Hey girl, wanna see my gormiti collection?"

[@lambsauce5312]

OH I KNOW THOSE I REMEMBER SEEING THEM AS A SMALL CROATIAN CHILD LIKE 10-7 YEARS AGO

[@AstroPsych_]

"Since sex is supposed to be fun, don't take it too seriously by questioning whether you're doing things right." This is actually really good advice, an-- "Worrying about her pleasure sacrifices your own." ....aaaaaand you ruined it.

[@Informatic1]

TheOriginal GGHarasser -_- no one pretends they’re in it for their partner 100%. It’s obviously mutual

[@mwihaki.wanjoroge635]

@TheOriginal GGHarasser but it is though.

[@oscarstrokosz2986]

I mean it's nice to be a good house guest.

[@Max-nk9xg]

you meant to write "saeeeriously" (love shaun's accent)

[@fy8798]

@TheOriginal GGHarasser And that's why you're forever lonely and women avoid you. Normal people have relationships based on mutual respect. Whiny gamergaters cry that women won't fuck them, then make up an entire ideology to justify their whining.

[@sweesbees]

“Since sex is supposed to be fun, don’t take it too seriously by questioning whether you are doing things right.” you know, that’s actually good advice there- “Worrying about her pleasure sacrifices your own,” _o h_

[@olenickel6013]

Haha, this was exactly my reaction to the t.

[@unstoppableExodia]

sweesbees there is a difference between worrying about her pleasure during sex and being attentive. There is some truth to being worried and overly attentive to it can get in the way of one's own pleasure. I'm not defending rooshbag or his ilk btw

[@Lady8D]

unstoppableExodia I get & agree with what you're trying to say but somehow I don't think that's what Roosh the Douche was intending to say

[@unstoppableExodia]

Lady D yeah I've not really watched his videos or read his books but I imagine he advocates for treating sex like a smash and grab operation where a guy should only be concerned with his own pleasure and if the girl enjoyed it too then hey good for her.

[@Lady8D]

unstoppableExodia yeah, I've not seen nor read his material either, just the portions in this video. The impression I got is similar to urs except replacing "then hey good for her" with "then ur doing it wrong, she doesn't deserve pleasure" - guys like him make me glad I'm a lesbian lol

[@hedgehog3180]

I feel some national pride when I see that Roosh made a book called "Don't bang Denmark" it makes me think that we as a nation did something right.

[@Penminfire]

hedgehog3180 Avatar checks out.

[@richardg8376]

I saw "Don't Bang Latvia" as well. Sounds like the ladies in your country and theirs saw him coming a mile off.

[@TuAmigoElMorrocoy]

Unicorn Poo... i hope youre not american (wich likely you are since theyre the biggest group of youtube comentators)... If so, youre in no position to call anyone fat, wether theyre men or women

[@j.b.booker7912]

Denmark really is the greatest country on earth. Well done.

[@unicornpoo7441]

TuAmigoElMorrocoy danish

[@blackasthesky]

"Worrying about her pleasure will sacrifice your own" This is the problem with these guys in a nutshell.

[@bfure1]

Seriously, it makes guys like me look even better for simple basic things

[@blackasthesky]

@@bfure1 yeah I wonder how many guys watch this and basically go "look at me, I'm not a shitty egoistic asshole"

[@mattymerr701]

@@blackasthesky nah, they are psychopaths instead

[@staticaleel5068]

In simple terms, this means “be a selfish sociopathic prick to every women you see.” and the sad thing is some people are actually stupid enough to believe women will like them for this, instead of making everyone around them distance themselves immediately.

[@WretchedIcon]

Exactly, they're monkey-brained narcissists.

[@Ellie-uf4qc]

These books are basically “Abusive Relationships 101”

[@maallos334mi8]

I just ruined the 666

[@bascal133]

Right, emotional abuse guidebook

[@bashkillszombies]

You've actually read them?

[@bascal133]

@@bashkillszombies I’ve read “why does he do that inside the kinds of angry and abusive men”

[@luigivercotti6410]

Nah, ya gotta get one first, so no worries there

[@ngreen6436]

so basically these books are "how to emotionally abuse your girlfriend and every other women you meet for dummies"

[@talesofterror5839]

Yes

[@gracefullynadine864]

Big of you to assume these people can get girlfriends

[@fredericchristie3472]

It's almost like some portion of the population has lower than average self-esteem, by definition, and you can browbeat them into submission. Some may even be physically attractive!

[@Hamieee]

It's honestly disgusting

[@E3AloeLi]

In my case I was groomed by a 22 year old I’m 17 he let his 16 younger brother fetishise me and use me as a flirting doll.

[@Paralellex]

"1. Constantly make her feel inadequate. You should rarely give her unqualified praise. Every time she does something for you, find out what she did wrong and remind her of it. If you can't find any problems, make some up." Today I learned that not only am I apparently a girl, but my own psyche is using pickup artistry on me.

[@TheNinja94a]

It's been sixth months-has it worked?

[@Paralellex]

@@TheNinja94a not great, I think I might be catfishing me

[@americantoastman7296]

@@Paralellex hey I wish you the best. Low self esteem and overcritical thinking are really tough and can wear away at you. I dont really know what to tell you since I dont know you, but youre okay the way you are and the things you do are more than good enough! Give yourself a break ;)

[@fluffynator6222]

And I didn't realise my Biology teacher tried to hit on me...

[@no-lifenoah7861]

your psyche needs to read The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships

[@LadyRuin]

I just want to tell that one guy if the thought of sex repulses you, you might be asexual. It's okay for men to be asexual.

[@alexwyatt2911]

Reminds me of this TikTok of a dude ranting and raving about how much better it would be if guys could just marry their straight buddy instead of a woman. He went on to excitedly describe how they could pool their income, hang out, split the housework or hire someone to do it, and spend some time with each other because it would be nice. Uuuuuuh. He can do all of that with a woman. Also, I hope that “straight” dude and his “straight” buddy are very happy together. Like damn, dude. It’s okay to be gay or bisexual (or asexual). Good grief.

[@sabsain2399]

​@@alexwyatt2911 I'm sure people in his comments ATE that braindead shxt up too

[@chiquitaspirit]

Given his... everything, it's very possible he's just pornsick. He's ruined intimacy for himself.

[@joshyoung1440]

​@@alexwyatt2911 uh... my boyfriend and I watched that tiktok and did not come away with the impression that he wasn't straight. Because he was. It was just a standard tired-of-women rant. It was funnier because the guy seemed to lack self-awareness, but at least he wasn't attacking women ig. I don't see how that relates to being ace though

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@joshyoung1440 How is a rant about being sick and tired of women somehow _not_ an “attack” (i.e. misogynistic commentary) on women? It’s very telling that this guy could figure out reasonable strategies for cohabitating with his hypothetical spouse, who is a man, but this guy hadn’t considered implementing any of those strategies with his actual spouse, who is woman. Plenty of men, who identify as cishet, are sexually attracted to women but that’s it. These kind of men only love, admire, respect, and enjoy spending time with other men, not women. They may identify as cishet but they’re only romantically interested in other men; subsequently, these kind of men are miserable in romantic relationships with women. The point the OP and I were making is that it would be helpful if people stopped forcing themselves to fit into a cishet box; they’re making themselves and others miserable. That one dude is repulsed by sex and the TikTok dude hates being in romantic relationships with women. It would be best for everyone involved if they stopped forcing themselves to do those things.

[@charliedawson4877]

"Be prepared for disappointment." Coincidentally that's my go to pick up line.

[@thatoneguynextdoor8794]

Ya da reel pleya

[@strengthmanor9278]

Bet you get laid all the time with that 😁

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

Panties are dropping to the floor as we speak as that comment is being read.

[@cediviannareeda4305]

Oh Charlie, take me now!

[@DK-ff4oi]

The fact that these “artists” are both homophobic but sing praises about the masculinity of the ancients Greek man is hilarious

[@caramel9154]

oh the olive oil lube

[@HN-kr1nf]

@@caramel9154 oh dear zeus- oh what am i even saying zeus was probably the biggest user

[@caramel9154]

@@HN-kr1nf Alexa, play love machine by Wham!

[@Kefkaesque13]

Pick-up Artists: Don't be gay, be manly like the Ancient Greeks! Ancient Greece: You know what's manly-er than a man? *TWO* men!

[@awkwardukulele6077]

@@Kefkaesque13 “what’s manlier than 2 men?!” Basically sums up both Ancient Greek misogyny and sexuality.

[@SnakeMan448]

The fact that these guys don't seem to actually like sex, much less the company of women, is the most baffling part.

[@ennuiblue4295]

Think a lot just want the social proof/bragging rights of arm candy, they actually have contempt they can't hide for 'foids'

[@ninawth]

Yeah, I didn't expect that. It seems more like they're trying to punish women for having rejected them in te past, when they were still "nice guys", and then bragging about how many women they've been with. The sex in itself seems unimportant and not even enjoyable?

[@americantoastman7296]

@@ninawth wow thats an amazing perspective, honestly! Didnt really look at it this way at all but it makes so much sense!

[@leitregjok2830]

Its like they blame women for the fact that they themselves aren't actually attracted to them. At least that's what it sounds like, especially when they describe sex.

[@Tessa_Gr]

@@leitregjok2830 Weirdly enough, when they described sex, I kinda had to think about how I view sex myself - as someone who is asexual, I definitely think somewhat similar because sex just seems kinda unappealing and gross. Maybe some of them actually aren't attracted to women at all or are so angry at them that they can't feel the sexual attration anymore. Kinda like an asexual person, just with a really toxic view of relationships, sex, people who have sex, society,...

[@Huntracony]

In 2018 Roosh V was deplatformed and basically lost his career. In 2019 he became a devout Christian and condemned extramarital sex.

[@conor-smith572]

I almost thought this was a joke. So I looked it up and, sure enough, he's mad for Jesus now! I was going to say good for him but, honestly, I don't know if it is? At least he doesn't write pick up books any more.

[@alalvarez7301]

I mean he's already a sex pest, a massive hypocrite, a piece of shit person and should be actually castrated, so it is very fitting je became a Christian extremist. Maybe he can even become a priest and go full circle back to a sex criminal.

[@lambsauce5312]

Bro literally turned his life around so far that he's a cunt again

[@yurifairy2969]

@@conor-smith572 still a terrible person and an admitted rapist, just a marginally less dangerous one

[@Deurization]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[@IceDragon289]

Jesus, I think I wrote more tantilizing descriptions of sex in the Zelda fanfictions I did when I was 15.

[@willowarkan2263]

Admittedly there are tween books more erotic, considering we read one in 6th grade at school. The main couple ended up in a hole near a lake half naked, the whole class lost it giggling.

[@th3rasave]

Uhhh, may I see this, uh, historical documents? For research purposes, of course...

[@Paralellex]

"You know, now that the kingdom is saved, I think there's one more cavern you need to explore", said Zelda. "HYAA!", said Link, as that is the only thing he is capable of saying.

[@th3rasave]

@@Paralellex I'ma sickend butt'a intrigued

[@notrod5341]

@@Paralellex I'm disgusted. I didn't say stop.

[@Machouseproductions]

"Anything a woman or a gay person wants is theirs." Really? Then I want an awesome boyfriend and to abolish billionaires... Well, chop chop. Get on it society.

[@antoinethename9064]

I'll have what he's having with a prolific carrier on the side, pls

[@ThePi314Man]

I can only supply one of those things, unfortunately.

[@coolsenjoyer]

I guess womanhood and gayness cancel each other out because lesbians just yearn

[@chickenskink1]

@@ThePi314Man You can singlehandedly abolish billionaires?!

[@ThePi314Man]

@@chickenskink1 just give me an AK and five hours

[@Jrez]

"I talked it over with my nice guy friends, and we all concluded she was totally into me." Sooo everybody agreed she liked you, except her.

[@TheAdrift]

Too right! These guys would probably have better luck if they stopped asking their friends to read other people's minds, and just asked the owners of those minds directly. Pickup artists are basically unnecessary middlemen.

[@TheAdrift]

@@meenee lol, true 😄

[@StalwartTirith]

Referring to women as "The Desirable Female" is genuinely one of the creepiest phrases I've ever heard. There is so much wrong with the context and implications behind those three simple words.

[@hendrikd2113]

it's a subset.

[@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus]

I always have to think of Ferengi when I hear people refer to women as feeeeeeemales xD

[@pointyorb]

Sounds like something I'd say as a joke when trying to sound verbose and inhuman

[@Navek15]

It sounds like an alien trying to find the perfect test subject to perform horrific experiments on rather than a dude wanting to get his dick wet.

[@timothymclean]

Man, I wish I could agree with you. Protip: Avoid incel-related data like the plague.

[@dogonahottinroof]

"Be prepared for a lot of disappointment" wtf Roosh ripped off my tindr bio?

[@alexandrapedersen829]

16:57 My national pride has never been greater than when reading the words "Why it's almost impossible to get along with a Danish woman if you're an alpha male"

[@calebplerry9664]

W for danish women

[@Connor_Holden]

Watch your Borders, the asexual Community is ready to invade silently at any moment

[@insectoid_creature]

Maybe the danish aren’t so bad after all…

[@zenkozenko4989]

@@insectoid_creature Woah woah woah lets not get TOO crazy there buddy

[@kronemerj]

Congratulations to every danish woman. You saw through this sad self defeating bullshit

[@justbeyondthecornerproduct3540]

"The Calgary Chapter of Return of Kings has a 100% SJW saturation rate." is my favourite sentence in this entire half hour video

[@JackgarPrime]

That whole Dan Olsen bit was gold.

[@alisaurus4224]

This was how i discovered Dan’s channel!

[@alisaurus4224]

@@loturzelrestaurant i discovered him just last week! Love his stuff

[@Doodle128]

You must hold off until the right moment and release your tail feathers, dazzling the female with a dance to a mixed reception of shock and awe

[@purp4168]

And then screech loudly into the air twice, to make sure she wants to lay eggs- I mean have sex

[@LuckyHicks2]

No more Alpha Males - Get ready for the PEACOCK MALES. …I admittedly don’t know much about birds.

[@Doodle128]

@@LuckyHicks2 It was a peacock

[@bmo14lax]

I don't have the peacock lego set though

[@commandercody2980]

Frankly doing a mating dance would probably work BETTER than whatever freaky shit it is these guys do

[@mdstevens0612]

There was a point I was into it. For like a week, in highschool, when my self-esteem was low and my perception of my own body was negative and I had the personality of a wet carrot. I too thought, "How does one pick up women? How do I get a girlfriend?" Then I mellowed out. If there are any lads (or gals) out there struggling with this stuff, here's a couple notes: 1. You have to start loving yourself. Trust me, there's no bigger turn off than someone who's angry at themselves and lashes out at the world because of it. And you're going to be a lot happier when you go easy on yourself and learn to work with yourself instead of fighting yourself at every turn. 2. You have to make the most of being single. Because you're probably going to spend more of your young life single than in a relationship; AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. You should be taking that time to work on yourself and becoming a better person. Think of it like investment for when you do eventually meet someone, rather you've been working on becoming the best version of yourself than having them meet the sore and bitter version that not even you like. Have goals, have interests, learn skills, learn as much as you can. 3. I have no idea how to do casual sex well. I'll admit I'm not a six foot stud with abs you can grate cheese with and I've grown to the capacity of like, having the personality of wet beetroot, which is slightly more interesting than a wet carrot. But a lot of the time, casual sex isn't the thing you want. The thing you want is intimacy. And to get intimacy, you need chemistry and respect. For there to be chemistry and respect, you have to be empathetic. Not saying that's for everyone, if you just wanna _bang_ that's okay too. 4. Meeting people is not that hard; Join a club, join a sports team, go to events. They don't have to be outgoing things, you can meet people at your local Magic The Gathering tournament but you aren't magically going to become less lonely sitting in your room watching videos of other guys pretending to pick up models they paid. And the more friends you have, the better your support network, and the better the chances of you being introduced to someone you do click with. So go out and make friends. EDIT: struggle with making friends? Go to a place, show up regularly. Can be a twitch stream, a DnD group, a local dog park, a bar but just like, show up regularly. You'll meet people, sometimes just people who see you around and ask "I always see you around but I don't think we've ever spoken. Hi, my name is XYZ." Online friends count too. But try to also make some friends in your local area. Just when you're online, be careful of the kind of space you make friends in... Doomer 4chan boards that want to blackpill you? Stay away. 5. You have inherent value and you don't need a significant other to prove that. YOU HAVE INHERENT VALUE AND YOU DON'T NEED A SIGNIFICANT OTHER TO PROVE THAT. People are going to ask because people like gossip but, dudes, especially dudes, it is perfectly okay for you to not have a girlfriend. Please don't think that you're a loser or anything just because you haven't met someone you've clicked with yet.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

It's also important to always be grateful for what you have.

[@dracocrusher]

#4 really is the big one here. You can't be emotionally invested with someone if you don't know anyone, go out, make friends, and who knows? Maybe they'll be able to set you up with someone they know or maybe you'll get a relationship with someone you become friends with. Just remember that nobody owes you anything at all, if you're hanging around with people JUST to get laid then that's not great. If they say no then so be it, being single is 100% normal and if you actually cared about said person then rejection wouldn't change how things were before. Yeah, funny how that works out.... Turns out the secret to success in dating was to just be a decent social human being who doesn't turn into an asshole if things fall through. To any kids out there, that's also basically how you become popular, too, just be a reasonable decent person who doesn't freak out over BS that doesn't matter and try to get to know people.

[@mdstevens0612]

@@dracocrusher that last bit man... The secret to dating is literally to just be a decent social human being and not turn into an asshole when things don't go your way. The bar is that low but guys like Roosh V are convinced the secret is some shit like peacocking.

[@vivvy_0]

if there just weren't things like depression, anxiety, traumatas & psd's that keep you locked out of everything and all.. it could actually be as easy as it sounds here ^^"

[@dracocrusher]

@@vivvy_0 There's no easy way around depression, it's something you just have to deal with... and anxiety and trauma can often be similar. But, at the same time, it's always good to at least try. Being isolated is already rough enough... if you can succeed at finding some group of friends who understand you then at least that would make life just a little bit easier. At least, I'd hope that would be the case.

[@irwegwert]

These people describe sex like they're secretly robots who have never felt the touch of another human being before.

[@wajmgirl]

irwegwert or aliens. "Yes this is how you can procreate with the hoo-man womans!"

[@CharonsNightmare]

O H . S H I T . T H E H U - M A N S F O U N D O U T. 011100010001101010100101101!!!!

[@Puddelpai]

By buying my book, you can learn how to get human females to allow you to repeatedly push your stiffened flesh pole into their moist birth canals! god it felt gross writing that

[@misanthropiclusion]

I see your investment in those books hasn't paid off you sad virgin you

[@dreans11]

+jamadan d everything you just said is wrong. All of it. It would be hilarious if it didn't also sound remarkably like the ramblings of a sex offender.

[@Magikalic]

"anything a woman or a gay person wants, it's theirs." Can Roosh explain how I, as a gay woman, am still single then?

[@betweenthepanels9145]

MagicEve you are basically the anti christ in their eyes

[@danielhaden6674]

MagicEve Sure it's easily explainable. You're not a woman... or a gay person... You're both. You're a gay woman. Which means that you're basically in the same position as a straight male.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

MagicEve No. Because he seems to be incapable of properly explaining anything.

[@firewolfandrewb]

Not Alpha Enough

[@sadtitties222]

@@Fluxquark Your comment gave me the giggles. 😂👍🏿

[@thestonedabbot9551]

5:45 Roosh V talks about Ukrainian women like a Roman scholar describing the lifestyles of Germanic tribes

[@godofpencils01]

That you, Lonerbox? XD

[@thestonedabbot9551]

@@godofpencils01 H A R D // M E N

[@craigh5236]

Just goes to show just how russians has always seen Ukraine.

[@kattastic9999]

For the very first time, I wildly disagree with you on something Why did you throw out your legos?

[@mackerelphones]

Yeah, you could sell them for a lot of money. The ones you don't love.

[@Niarbeht]

I mean, totally pick out the best spaceship you made when you were a kid, and keep it forever, because spaceships are awesome!

[@viraltang]

SPACESHIP!!!

[@indiciaobscure]

I want all of my playmobil back. I don't forgive my parents for dumping them while I was in college.

[@mackerelphones]

I'm very lucky my parents honored my LEGOs. Even if it was as much out of respect to me as it was to the money I could make selling them.

[@NorrisTheSpider]

Pickup artists and garbage men should switch names

[@micmac274]

Actually garbage men do a service, unlike PUA's.

[@daltonmclaughlin5555]

Underrated comment

[@raad8150]

being an ex-muslim has turned you into a terrible person it seems

[@percyperanamus7432]

a self own is when you make a try hard comment that makes no sense and dont even have the self esteem to give yourself even one like

[@thrownstair]

If Subway insists that its staff are sandwich artists, then I will happily call bin men pickup artists.

[@officerlexi7237]

As someone with a good number of very dear friends that have been severe victims of abuse and gaslighting, that whole part about "crushing self-esteem" made me feel ill. Physically _ill_ I've seen the truly horrific long-term effects that shit has on people. Heavy and constant suicide ideation, intense cycles of self-hatred that feel as though you can't do anything to help them. Fuck, my own wife _still_ tells me she doesn't deserve to be loved at times, even after all this time of slowly working to try and help her out of that sinkhole. These are not concepts I feel people really truly appreciate the severity of in terms of how disgustingly fucked up it all really is. Most of all, it's absolutely heartbreaking to see those effects in action, when close friends insist that everything is their fault and viciously attack themselves without mercy. It's not just heartbreaking; it makes me angry. It makes me incredibly fucking angry to see people like this get away with inflicting this suffering on people.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Its why I feel a burning urge to beat them with a sturdy parasol. I still struggle with self esteem issues even five years later after the abusive "friendship" I was in. I cant imagine what thatd be like if the asshole wanted to stick his dick in you too. *Shudders* Straight white men exhaust me sometimes. Also, I hope she one day feels better about herself. I would suggest she writes down everyday at least 10 things that is good about herself, looks, skills, abilities etc. I wish her luck.

[@alfa_kenny_body]

Same here. I've been in that kind of relationship for a few years only. And in deed it crushes your soul, your ability to love and trust and feel loved. It's sickening that people go around advising men to behave in that way. What a poor sad human being he has to be. I pity him though I can't even imagine what he must've gone through to dehumanize half of the population. And the worst part is these people ruin it for everyone men and women alike. Extremist are dangerous in every form, racist or Misogynists. Don't go around telling people to mistreat others. And he literally called the article *how to destroy her self-esteem*, So he's aware of the damage to some extend. Think about all the women that'll fall into the hands of his disciples. Some people that wouldn't behave that way if it wasn't for his teachings. This man needs to be educated or put in jail.

[@IamMissPronounced]

I finally understand why "man-haters" exist. Because some men are so fucking vile

[@IndieGinge]

@KZbin Troll I tried to imagine being as sad as you that I'd think this was funny. Just lol. He's married to someone he cares for. And you thought saying this was worth doing. Fucking LMAO. Literally as pathetic as possible.

[@ninjanippledog725]

And this is being published as "How-to" fucking bullshit, that is absolutely sickening. This pick-up 'alpha' culture is amplifying underlying resentment in some nerdy, awkward, standoffish people, and this sickening bubbling sludge of objectification and anger makes my favorite people to get to know a minefield. Anyone who wants to give someone else a relationship after being pursued, might very well just end up with one of these horrible beings that gaslight and abuse them, and leave lasting scars on their psyche. As an aside, Incels like to say "Below x/10, no chance buddy", and the 'alpha'-ness of these guys is what gets them the girl- no. Just no. Because there are plenty of guys that are "x" and have a s/o, but they arent so desolate and self hating as to be on those incel forums. The ones who are on those forums, are the pickup guys, so if they get some poor woman on the hook, thats the only result incels see. And to anyone thinking women are weak for being scarred after mental abuse purposefully aimed at their weakest spot during the course of a relationship, just go back to your forum and check out how many people say theyre mentally scarred because a woman said no or some shit, and they went on an angry rampage, or 'a switch flipped'.

[@airborneice7988]

this reminds me of the one time I was targeted by what I can only assume was someone trying (emphasis on Trying) PUA. I was trying to photocopy something when a guy I'd never seen before walked up and asked me if I knew how the copier worked, and ofc I tried to be helpful and briefly explained, though after a point I realised he didn't seem particularly interested and had just been waiting for his turn to talk. he then asked a series of questions about what year of study I was in and threw in a number of, honestly uncomfortable "compliments" and lines about how there was "plenty of time to get to know eachother" and it just baffled me bc anytime I tried to respond and carry on the conversation in a natural way, he'd veer into another line that was waaay too familiar and intimate for two people who'd literally just met. I don't think he even asked my name or gave me his, and nothing came of it, the conversation ended and I was left wondering what that had all been obviously this is pretty tame as weird interactions with strangers go, but I realised afterwards that what had made it feel so off was that I was essentially being treated like an NPC that you just had to nonsensically compliment or say the right platitudes to and some sense of intimacy or interest would... magically happen? I can only assume what had happened minutes before was the guy being told by his friends "look, there's a chick by the copier, try it out on her". and I'm not saying it's bad to try talking to strangers, or to not put yourself out there if you have poor social skills or anything (been there, trust me) but it feels quite dehumanising when someone is (very obviously, in this case) essentially making any random woman he comes across be a test subject for his pick-up lines. this guy wasn't remotely interested in me or even in having a friendly chat, he was just trying to chat up A Girl, and that's what doomed the attempt from the start, tbh anyway, great video hbomber, I initially came for the sherlock video and I've been working my way back from there :)

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I think you've really hit on something with the comparison to NPCs. I had a co-worker who would do this exact same thing (albeit in a much less direct way); any time we were talking, it's like he was just manufacturing a conversation where he could say something he thought would impress me and then ignoring what I was saying to jump back into his script. I could chalk a lot of that up to nerves and social awkwardness, but he would also put on a really fake personality whenever he was around me, like he didn't understand I could still see him whenever he moved more than eight feet away. It just created a situation where any time he was around me I felt like I was being lied to and manipulated. Weird stuff.

[@_annoyed4692]

@@eyesofthecervino3366 I think most women have a story or two to tell about those dehumanizing creeps. Not sure how many of those there are, but they're playing a numbers game. Like any good scammer they know that you don't have to be perfect, or convincing. Have a few spelling errors in your "police report", have a heavy indian accent when you pretend to call from "Microsoft Tech Support", or talk like all you want is deliver your lines while completely ignoring anything your would-be-victim says. That might make 98% of people hanging up or walking away from you immediatly. But almost all of them would have smelled the fish before getting their credit card/dropping their panties anyway. So.. more time to focus on the 2% that are still there. This is not only sad for those 2%, but very annoying for the other 98%, and the only thing I can think of is increasing the opportunity costs for that numbers game. - Tell the tech support to wait while you turn on your computer and then leave the phone while doing something worthwhile. - Ask the PU'A' to white while you tell your friends you're leaving with him and then go back to dancing. They steal 5 Minutes of your time, steal ten of theirs.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

@@_annoyed4692 That's an interesting idea, though I'd definitely recommend caution with antagonizing strangers who already don't see you as a person. Sadly, I don't think my coworker was playing a numbers game at all -- in a way I'd much prefer it if he had been, since then he would've been willing to cut his losses instead of hovering around me for months trying to figure out how to manipulate a direct "no" into him getting what he wanted and becoming progressively angrier that it wasn't working. He just genuinely didn't seem to understand that I was a whole separate person with my own feelings, and that part of being a good person is being able to respect other's feelings, even if they're not what you wanted them to be. I think a big part of why it continues to bug me is that I have absolutely no idea how I could have handled things differently, or how I would handle it if it ever comes up again. I don't want to be accused of being some crazy chick who overreacts to any time a guy opens a door or lifts a box for her, but when a guy's throwing himself in your personal space to open doors and lift boxes for you, then stepping a couple of yards back to start throwing stuff around breaking shit when that doesn't develop into a relationship . . . I don't think it's subtle how that's going to end up. I don't want to have to go through that again.

[@ArteArt39]

​@@eyesofthecervino3366I've only just graduated high school and a bunch of the things you said feel painfully similar to my recent experiences with bullying interestingly enough. It's the middle of the night though, so if you'd like for me to elaborate I'll get back to this later lol

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

@@ArteArt39 By all means.

[@Ruosteinenknight]

I actually had one friend(a girl) who was watching Roosh. When I asked why would she torture herself, she said she was doing research. When I asked what for, she said she wants to be ready if someone is stupid enough to try these so she can steer clear of them. Alphas failed to consider that women can read.

[@petavaldman2150]

Alphas failed to consider women

[@novembah]

Your friend might be onto something I mean the fact that men like this are actually put there constantly on the prowl for their next target means we should be spreading their "advice" among women at large so they can identify when they are being conned by one of these types VS when it is a genuine guy. 🤔

[@joshuaporterfield6774]

I love that woman already . In a platonic way.

[@Jermbot15]

Cute of you to think the kind of guy who calls himself an "alpha" would be interested in a woman that can read.

[@novembah]

@@Jermbot15.... .... I mean you're not wrong 😞

[@franinconverse]

That story in the intro of Bang is so sad because that girl probably really liked him as a friend and all the guy could see was a sex object.

[@rahatzaman4158]

franinconverse i actually doubt very much whether a man can be "just friends" with a woman .. maybe woman can do that

[@GuerillaBunny]

It's weird. I remember this home party with some exchange students. There was a Belgian guy who had been talking with a French girl all evening. She eventually had too much to drink and had to go to bed, which was convenient as the party was at her place. The Belgian guy was confused. He didn't know whether he should have gone with her. More than that, he was feeling a bit guilty for not having done that. I asked him why that was, and he became even more confused, because he didn't know. We talked about how men are instilled with this idea that we should pursue sex whenever the opportunity arises (regardless of whether the other person is in a position to make that choice or not, I suppose, it was kind of implied in the conversation but never explicitly stated). We concluded that it was best that he had not gone with her, and he seemed like he had some thinking to do. We, as a society, should not be bringing up boys this way. This is why conversations about consent are very, very important. This is why we need to have serious talks about what masculinity means. Ps. We can be friends with women. I'm good friends with my ex, and plenty of other women. If sex is the only reason I'm interested in a person, either she isn't very interesting, or I'm completely ignoring everything that makes her interesting as a living, breathing human being. I think we've been taught that gender roles (not genitalia, but how we're expected to behave) are more important and imperative than they actually are. That's how I see it, anyways. It was taught to me, and I taught myself out of it.

[@rahatzaman4158]

GuerillaBunny its possible to keep the relationship "friendly" .. but maybe the sexual dynamics between males and females will come into it one way or other ( i am no psychologists btw ) .. this doesnt mean every man always wanting to bang every woman they see in front of him you are talking about social norms and raising boys etc etc ... how about our basic biological impulses and our sexual psychology ? i dont live in the western world so i cant really tell much about it .. but here in my country ( south asia ) boys and girls are still raised with a traditional view like "no sex before marriage" ... ofcourse not everyone care about it because some young teens are already BANGING lol ... the society is getting westernized and more and more are having premarital sex now

[@rahatzaman4158]

i've seen when someome says men and women cant really be just friends .. they take it too literally and think some pervert is talking

[@dawkot6955]

+ Vol de Mort "Most men just have ulterior motives" What are you talking about? Wanting to have sex with the other person? Ulterior motives have nothing to do with question of whether man can be just friends with women. It may be a man will have no ulterior motives AND will feel attracted enough to any woman he gets close to that he can't be >just< friends with her.

[@willowwisp2981]

"I threw out all my legos when I became an adult" Honestly, that's just sad. Who throws away legos? Also, fun fact: serial rapists tend to view sex not as a pleasurable thing, but an expression of power.

[@xTobsecretx]

Yes, shooo sad - don’t throw them away! 😭

[@s.f.2632]

So just like the golden one described?

[@ballisticcroc6486]

VERY CONCERNING FACT I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND THANK YOU

[@ballisticcroc6486]

@@nenmaster5218 cool

[@Myoldusernamewasevenmorecringe]

Not to mention, serial rapists want you to buy their books on how to rape people.

[@lightyears-xo8qb]

As a filipino woman who used to work in the BPO industry, seeing that section about "Filipino women" invokes a primordial feelings of cringe within me.

[@mrconfusion87]

Prolly cuz you saw this exact attitude in a certain percentage of the expat men you know I suppose...

[@JackHails]

I find it very interesting that the media they seem to idolize aren't even created by straight men? Chuck Palahniuk, the author of Fight Club, is gay and The Matrix was made by two trans women.

[@micmac274]

You are not meant to root for the Villain Protagonist of Fight Club.

[@Syogren]

The best part is the Matrix specifically mocked fake woke people, which is exactly what they've become. Which you would have expected they'd have noticed, seeing how much they apparently love it. But they haven't. They have no idea that they're the butt of the joke. You can't make this stuff up, folks.

[@nathanclark2424]

@@Syogren I would call it hypocrisy, but that requires the people I'm accusing to have a shred of self awareness in their bodies.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

Also, The Matrix, where the Red Pill comes from, is based almost entirely on postmodernist philosophy. Take that, lobsters!

[@cossaizy6309]

@@ernststravoblofeld not only that the movie mocked the idea of redpill, bluepill or any other pill, because in the end does it really matter?

[@SiraSpirit]

“When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” --C.S. Lewis Keep the legos.

[@MKotnis]

Legos kick ass

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

Pass the legos on.

[@moredetonation3755]

"What's the point of being grown-up if you can't be childish sometimes?"

[@sundayschoolflunkie3979]

@@moredetonation3755 I would argue that the whole point of being an adult is to make ourselves feel better about being children on the inside.

[@kommiekeegan]

Adulthood doesn't mean you can't play with legos, it just means you need to buy your own legos.

[@TheSaltyLibrarian]

"Anything that a woman or a gay person wants is theirs!" Well, at least he took his own advice about living in his own reality. Hell, I wish I could live in that reality. It'd be so much easier.

[@thatoneguynextdoor8794]

Yes please! Would make everything easier

[@tylergriffin3667]

I am a gay man. I want the powers of a moderate deity and $1billion dollars.

[@reapthewhirlwind2114]

@@tylergriffin3667 Granted. You have the very specific and kinda lame powers of Hephaestus and 1 billion Guyanese dollars, which still isn't really that bad

[@lyralivingstonabbott]

If women and gay people can get anything they want, and I am both a woman and gay...does that mean I don't have to worry about college debt anymore? Sweet! I'll use my suddenly appearing funds to plan my upcoming invasion of Pluto!

[@jonathanjoestarwithpluck4930]

Em Abbott nah, if you’re both then it cancels out and you lose all the power.

[@Atzy]

It's really telling that these people don't seem to actually enjoy sex or like women.. but still seem to be hyper focused on it. If you strip those things away all you get left with is just one person having power over another. Feels very rapey.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

The only thing missing is the lack of consent

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

@@lyokianhitchhiker Considering Roosh is an admitted rapist, that's not exactly missing, now is it.

[@susannehuber3996]

@@lyokianhitchhikerthis is the second time I see you commenting about „consent“ that is the difference. If you manipulate, scare a person into consenting you’re a rapist. Dude you’re weird. I think you want to excuse yourself for being a bit rapy.

[@brinnc-o9065]

​​@@lyokianhitchhiker Roosh V did that too... and wrote about it in at least one book... which a bbc series confronted him on

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@susannehuber3996If anything, I have a fear of BEING raped by women

[@gingadoodle]

So freaky.... it’s literally just a community TRYING to be abusive to their gf or spouse. How do people even turn out like this??

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

Probably abusive upbringing or parents/guardians, if any, just not noticing their son has misplaced anger and self esteem issues until something criminal happens. Most parents don't raise kids to be okay with abusing or raping but it happens when they don't talk about their feelings to stable people nor can get the mental help they need. A damn hug and a talk goes a long way.

[@politicalnerdV]

I can't claim to know what's wrong with them, but as a man with some knowledge of feminist theory, I'd guess it's either wounded entitlement or an attempt to live up to the worst parts of traditional masculinity no matter the cost to others or themselves. Then again, maybe they're just douchebags.

[@taranullius9221]

Baldness. I'm joking but also not entirely - I counted half his audience in that clip were bald. Two of the Four PUA's Hbomb mentioned were bald. Their still daily instilled sense of male entitlement is unfulfilled due to their said personal issues or failings and they're taking it out on women with toxic results. As usual.

[@taranullius9221]

Because let's not fuck around here. Men are still profoundly entitled it's how they're raised from birth.

[@Jesse-fd5bv]

raised by single mothers

[@subroy7123]

14:46 "Women are no longer trained to submit to a man to serve a man" Low whisper: "T H E H O R R O R" *eyes close dramatically slowly*

[@anne-zh2kd]

"It's a cook book! IT'S A COOKBOOK!"

[@strega0]

Filipino viewer here. I don't know what kind of delusion Matt Forney is under if he thinks HE'S the type of man Filipino women want. *shudders*

[@smjaiteh]

It’s the same delusion that makes him think that learning nothing is the same as knowing everything already.

[@TheWhiteWolfPack]

Also a filipina viewer. Seeing that whole section (especially the review being read aloud) made me feel very, very gross.

[@williamho2940]

Or, more realistically speaking, he was chasing "ladies of the night"

[@austinbundrick3192]

@@ThanhTriet600 Doesn't matter if Roosh is attractive, cause he has the brain of a baby rattle.

[@justanotherhappyhumanist8832]

I doubt he managed to attract any while he was there. I'm certain that he made up the entire book, the same way that he did with his prior website, when he pretended to be that Christian woman.

[@Electric0eye]

"The gays can have anything they want." Yeah, except *MARRIAGE*

[@Nugcon]

or like, basic human rights?

[@authenticbaguette6673]

Countries in which heterosexual marriage is illegal:

[@luisandrade2254]

They can marry lol

[@luisandrade2254]

@@Nugcon what basic human rights don’t they have

[@authenticbaguette6673]

@@luisandrade2254 There is a world outside of America, dude. Also, technically legal =/= accessible to everyone. A lot of people have homophobic families.

[@DrSpooglemon]

>Treat them mean and keep them keen. >Why don't girls like me?! Sad reacts only guys...

[@xmlthegreat]

*surprised Pikachu face *

[@Mikri90]

"Women are no longer trained to submit to a man, to serve a man...." Not sure if he's a time-traveler from the biblical times or a dog-trainer attempting to apply his expertise to his own species.

[@miscmer8030]

That's how he gets all the bitches.

[@robinchesterfield42]

Yes. Also, Misc Mer: Underrated comment! XD

[@ltllu]

I’m a professional dog trainer. We respect the dogs more this this guy respects women.

[@americantoastman7296]

@@miscmer8030 - literal bitches tho, wont work on women lmao

[@kayvee256]

Training a dog requires empathy and respect. So... The first one.

[@kittygrimm7301]

I love how he says "porn is my teacher" as if that's something to be proud of.

[@pacman5698]

That's also how Chris Chan thinks...

[@antoinethename9064]

That sentence just turned on all the red lights in my head. If I remember anything from my sex ed, it's that porn is an awful source when it comes to information

[@RykerJones28]

That's the problem. He's learning how to function in the real world from fantasy. Would be like a general learning war strategy from watching game of thrones.

[@Nerobyrne]

the biggest OOF

[@thomasdupont7186]

"I love how he says "porn is my teacher" as if that's something to be proud of." No pride here but family sucks sometimes... Plus, i actually DID learn one thing or two watching porn :) (smiley face)

[@NadaStuff]

"Women are being encouraged to look like fat outer space cyborgs" As they absolutely should, that sounds cool as fuck

[@heavenly2k]

And kinda hot tbh

[@LuckyHicks2]

Wait, would the cyborgs be FROM space, or are the cyborgs IN space?

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

@@LuckyHicks2 Yes.

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

tru, talk about variety not to oversimplify, i usually only say this as a way to possibly convince the inflexible types, that "more variety" (i.e. representation, diversity, equity, and inclusion, the stuff they love to whine about) in race, complexion, looks, people is nice, so why not...y'know, have a bigger variety of people? dunno if it would convince them, and i can't say it applies well to our actual reason to do so (equality), but i like to think it could sway them.

[@carolyns4519]

I once saw an adult coloring book called Fat Women in SPAAAACE! The pictures were exactly what it said om the tin. I still regret not buying it.

[@R0DisG0D]

One could almost get the idea that a relationship build on mutual respect is more fulfilling for both partners.

[@Donnerbalken28]

NEVAAAAAAHHHH

[@kingofthegundam7974]

Nothing necessarily wrong with One Night Stands generally speaking, but that isn't really the subject of this video. Even proper one night stands take two to tango, and the pick up artist playbook is about dominating their sexual partner in bed without regard for giving them pleasure.

[@DewMan001]

Or even just a casual sex encounter. If you are going to have a quick shag with someone, at least make sure that you get to know them first, get comfortable with them and talk throughout. Make sure that respect is always there and that you both feel good during what's meant to be an enjoyable experience for the both of you

[@vaiyt]

But if she has any respect, that means less respect to go around for you! You must hoard all the respect for yourself, that's the only way you win at sex!

[@PhoenixDemon94]

don't be ridiculous. it's CLEARLY based around microtransactions

[@ethanrichmond3992]

I also loved how when he said “they are perceived as superior to straight...men” he clearly meant to say “straight white men” but noticed there were different races in the audience so pivoted mid-sentence.

[@juliocbp9389]

Ethan Latinum Nice catch. At first, I thought that it was merely his poor speech skills (Roosh stutters *a lot*, how he can seem as confident or “alpha” to his followers is just baffling to me).

[@lazyfoxplays8503]

Woah! Actually, yeah.

[@cediviannareeda4305]

Of course he did, you think I didn't notice that? Like I'm some kind of stupid niiii--rly deaf… person?

[@no_peace]

15:03

[@FishDinners]

Roosh being a biochem major is proof that STEM doesn't mean you're smart

[@adrienneczerni6516]

As a STEM major, we don't want him

[@baguettegott3409]

@@adrienneczerni6516 Agreed (though I'm not sure you'd find any major who *would* want him...)

[@SpukiTheLoveKitten75]

On top of that, he's done nothing with it and lives with his mom while blogging his nonsense. His latest schtick is now "Puritanical Judeophobic Fundie Orthodox Christian Aesthetic Guy".

[@gabriellavedier9650]

I know plenty of good STEM people. I learned that over time in offhanded moments. I know of a misogynistic asshole who is STEM when I learned that because their profile on a website used to brag that they had a massive income from a STEM baccalaureate degree. They bought stuff and showed it off while growing about how super smart they were, when they were almost a parodical cartoon of a sociopathic antagonist in a bad "Silence of the Lambs" Movie, superiority complex very much front and center. They're an e-begger now, having turned the people they sucked into their personality cult into cash sources while producing increasingly less as time goes on.

[@FishDinners]

@Poodl Puff it's hard for me :(

[@rabbityRogue]

I'll be honest if someone taps me THREE TIMES in my shoulder, they're already at a bad point. I had to tell a coworker to not grab my attention like that, it's just jarring and annoying. three times? what am i, a goddamn door??

[@FirstnameLastname-sb3hj]

is two times okay?

[@lindenshepherd6085]

Nah, just don’t tap people on their shoulders. Everyone reacts differently. I used to react violently to any sudden physical contact, which was never pleasant for the person trying to get my attention. I try not to nowadays, but it’s an ingrained habit. Someone might be ticklish or be anxious about physical contact because of SA. Just say hello, or walk in front of the person and make eye contact before addressing them.

[@yommish]

Seriously just say “excuse me” tapping someone 3 times is immediately annoying

[@ragalyiakos]

"Since sex is supposed to be fun, don't take it too seriously by questioning whether you are doing things right." -Hey, that's actually not bad advice! Figuring out what you and your partner both like and listening to them when they tell you how you should do things in bed is far more productive than worrying about whether you're doing good or not. "Worrying about her pleasure sacrifices your own." *-Oh no...*

[@Miadontforgetthisone]

Same. Fucking same.

[@rolandcsoli3889]

bojler eladó

[@matteofaccin6636]

@Gaius Octavius Buddy, buddy, "all women" or "all men" is something you should just never say. Also, you either never had sex with a real woman, or... no actually that's it, I don't think you've had sex with a real woman if you truly believe what you said

[@noahjohnson5603]

I had the exact same reaction.

[@starlight4649]

Sex is mutual Say it with me *sex is mutual* Just using someone as a toy just for yourself is a really dick move, unless that's what they happen to be into.

[@seriousbees]

hmmm these people seem kind of unhappy. who would have thought that teaching embittered, neglected men to sabotage their own relationships through veiled emotional manipulation and dehumanization of their partners would only end up in leaving them more bitter and alienated. i, for one, am shocked

[@bimbolecter9764]

they are in so deep that some of them don't wipe their asses to protect their masculinity

[@KattReen]

Kind of? Lol. They're miserable by their own doing. It's really sad.

[@Kaleestraza]

>"Don't take sex too seriously" >refers to jizzing as "ejecting a genetic package"

[@4dimensionalcat]

“BANG UKRAINE” Now THAT title aged like milk.

[@radschele1815]

Yeah. Putin may seem like a guy, though, who would read those books. 😑

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@radschele1815 because Vladimir decided to start Putin it where it doesn’t belong?

[@radschele1815]

@@lyokianhitchhiker maybe also because of the war crime mass rapes

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@radschele1815 I just wanted to make the unit pun.

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

Yeah considering the mass rapes going on there

[@syafiqjabar]

Women are encouraged to look like space cyborgs? Where can I see this glorious cyberpunk future?!

[@jamesworkshop9181]

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[@wearyaxe9164]

Clearly, the peak of human evolution.

[@MarquisLeary34]

I'm fine with that. A lot of cyberpunk girls are hot, yo.

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

Roosh V's game: 1% of the time, it works every time.

[@RoyalFusilier]

"My predictions are always right, thirty percent of the time!"

[@kazuichisouda2026]

No, 1% of the time, it works 1% of the time, which for those keeping track at home, is a .01% success rate.

[@Marcela-tx7gh]

I'm slightly surprised none of those guys ever suggested "Kidnap a girl and hope Stockholm Syndrome sets in before the cops find you." as the ultimate advice.

[@spinyjustspiny3289]

Minus the kidnapping that's basically what they're trying to say. Psychologically abuse your target just enough to where they don't want to leave but are still afraid of you.

[@ChaingunCassidy]

STALKHOME SYNDROME

[@glamazon6172]

That's basically the plot of Passengers.

[@boggisthecat]

Marcela Citroni Yes, it does seem to lead that way.

[@twitchyhog7732]

Marcela Citroni or you could buy a sex robot...

[@Kitty-the-Bunny]

"Anything that a woman or a gay person wants is theirs" Wow I'm both, why did no one tell me this?? I would like my own home, free healthcare, to play Glinda on Broadway, many, many new dolls, and an endless supply of bubble tea, please. ...Aaanytime now.

[@sizskie]

Need an update, have they patched this or does it still work?

[@CirianAlani]

As a bi guy, do I get in on this? Or just half?

[@Kitty-the-Bunny]

@@CirianAlani Worth a try!

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@sizskie they made it a battle pass feature

[@taiyoqun]

Sorry, but being a woman and being gay is like multiplication, they cancel out. Have you tried adding another thing the right hates so it goes back to the correct parity? Maybe try being a gay migrant woman? Or a homeless gay woman? Because apparently (according to people with no thinking skills) the more you're discriminated against, the easier your life gets.

[@Zephyr_Zeitgeist]

I have too much empathy- I feel /bad/ for these assholes. Really, I actually got really sad watching this. These guys are taking an active, concentrated effort at destroying any chance they could have for emotional connection or good sex, are depressed and angry that they are alone and unsatisfied, and lack the self awareness that it's their own fault. Even their relationships with other heterosexual males seem so hollow, too, because they're so emotionally constipated.

[@ex-muslimlibertarianatheis9008]

That's why they should stop focussing on trying to get laid, and instead focus on more important shit. Like a career, hobby or life goals. Chasing women is a waste of time. That shit will come naturally when you're successful and have your shit together.

[@TheDestineyAngel]

Emotionally constipated lol do they screech “Reeeeeee” when it’s time to release those emotions.

[@tellurianapostle]

Captain Ace only internally

[@cognitivedissonance8406]

Support the death of humanity

[@MachonyLeeoun]

@@cognitivedissonance8406 No

[@anntastic1501]

God forbid that women have self esteem, and a life of there own, or a mind of there own, or....anything

[@milkcherry5191]

XXtoby233 never god forbid women i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@fredericchristie3472]

I can prove it syllogistically! Premise A: If women don't act as if they have minds of their own, I can convince them to do what I want 100% of the time. Premise B: If women do act as if they have minds of their own, I can convine them to do what I want less than 100% of the time. Premise C: I want sex. Premise D: 100% is more than >100%. Conclusion: Women shouldn't have minds of their own. QED. Of course, it all hinges on Premise E, "I like to be in relationships with people who are interesting and challenging" not being true. But who has time for that?!

[@annaolson4828]

18:13 This is emotional abuse, not love.

[@Otter34]

Anna Olson Everything these guys are telling other guys to do is horrible in at least one way. I'd never be seen as prey to these people and it's still disturbing.

[@brandontrost9292]

No, you don't understand. Gaslighting is the only way to show that you're a real alpha male who deserves sex you don't even want. How can you expect to keep the attention of a woman you don't respect if she's capable of thinking clearly? I'M RATIONAL!

[@annaolson4828]

On the plus side, every ex these guys and their supporters have is one more woman who got the fuck away from this with their self esteem and confidence intact.

[@demency2741]

That is *literally* how my emotionally abusive father treated me. Like, 100%, no bullshit. I assume he wasn't trying to fuck me, but twisted as he was, WHO KNOWS

[@nergregga]

The most frightening thing is that even if you know the signs of emotional abuse, you can still find yourself getting roped into an unhealthy relationship. Perhaps not by these guys, but some men are much more subtle than this.

[@michelecraig9658]

The scary thing to me is that in their view all relationships are about power, which sounds remarkable similar to the way rapists think.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

The only difference is that he respects the concept of "no"

[@sabsain2399]

​@@lyokianhitchhiker but what counts as no is pretty different

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@sabsain2399 you know what I mean. I mean they’re rapist mindset without rapist behavior

[@Demmrir]

"Remarkably similar" nothing. Google Roosh V to find the wiki article on him which includes a quote from him where he is openly in favor of legalizing rape.

[@guyfauks2576]

@@lyokianhitchhikerhe doesnt he confessed to raping someone (roushV)

[@dragonlord7929]

I'm very happy that the book he made about Denmark says: "Don't bang Denmark". The entire country of Denmark thanks you, for scaring away annoying tourist. Also, the moment in the video, where you can read about "Don't bang Denmark", he shames the citizins for having "cradle-to-grave" services. Like, "oh nooo, why is my country taking care of my basic needs, and insuring that I get a proper education?!".

[@TheTotallySaneDane]

"Oh nooo. Why is jante law telling me im a giant piece of shit?"

[@alalvarez7301]

If the woman/caddle has basic education it's harder for the Alphas/Unironic Town Rapists for them to Y'know what I'm going to drop the joke it's literally just rape. They're the kind of guy who isn't using Mickeys because they're expensive and too stupid to use them right.

[@ChickenLiver911]

Moving to Denmark.

[@meaganglaser]

References that come to mind when someone mentions Denmark 1. Hamlet 2. The seduction community are scared of them lol that's awesome

[@_annoyed4692]

Well... sure. When you're a moron selling moronic books to morons, very few things scare you as much as a proper education.

[@LordJuzzie]

I am not very good romantically with women. But the reason for that is not their fault, its because I am an awful communicator and trying to approach a woman i have a romantic interest in leads to me having a full blown panic attack. But that is a flaw in my make up, its not anyone else's fault or problem. I really don't get why these guys can't admit that.

[@kudosbudo]

I just got really good at covering that up. I basically feel like having a full blown panic attack everytime I try and talk to ANYONE IRL. Man women, they are just people. Maybe they even have the same as you? Just try talking to somebody. Like maybe in a nightclub or bar. Or better yet a gig. At a gig you know your gonna have acommon interest, its a greta place to talk to strangers.

[@kmbassett7222]

Basically just do the opposite of what PUAs advise, and you'll be fine.

[@worldserpent731]

Just chat to them like a normal person.

[@jamesbaxterfromax]

Ex-Muslim Libertarian Atheist the troll is strong in this one

[@ameneko98]

Pro-tip: talking to strangers IRL, even if it's basic small talk, can help build confidence. You can break down that fear a little by practicing more basic social interactions before jumping into something more intense like flirting. As long as they aren't busy, most people seem cool with talking.

[@Daruqe]

"...also made of tissue." That's how biology works yo. Tissues, organs-some slimy, some dry, some smooth, some rough, some even liquid. It's kinda cool if you don't hate yourself.

[@blarg2429]

There's something really pleasing about the phrase "it's kinda cool if you don't hate yourself."

[@talesofterror5839]

I try not to think about it

[@refoliation]

CORPOREAL GANG

[@Durta_idk]

One time I saw I guy tell people that it’s better for men to get dating advice from other men rather than women by saying, “Would you rather ask a fish how to catch fish, or would you rather ask a successful fisherman?” Implying that men chasing women is like a fishermen trying to murder a fish. 🤨

[@peterprime2140]

I love that analogy because if you had the power to talk to fish, then it literally would be better to ask them instead of fishermen.

[@Durta_idk]

@@peterprime2140 No, I think he was trying to say that fish wouldn’t tell you how to catch them because they don’t want to be murdered. However, it’s still a terrible analogy, because it implies women would never tell you how to “pick them up” cuz they don’t want to be “picked up” in the first place. Which raises the point: if women don’t even like being “picked up”, then wouldn’t it be disrespectful to try to pick up women?

[@justinreid2947]

It says so much that so much of "The Game" is based around lowering a woman's self-esteem, which says very revealing about the kinds of people these techniques work on. As someone with low self esteem, I have been guilty of trying to maintain friendships/acquaintanceships with people who breadcrumb affection instead of a healthy give and take. These techniques really only work on girls who aren't confident with themselves and are convinced that the only way to feel complete is to bend to the every whim of their romantic partner. This is why "negging" is part of their technique, as any high confidence woman would reject these guys outright. It's truly disgusting as douchebags like these take advantage of shy sensitive girls, and *will* react violently if you question them.

[@americantoastman7296]

@LEO2001 mate what are you talking about? Your sentence structure is all over the place. Did you just call the OP a "sexless loser"? Are you okay? 😂

[@allyli1718]

LEO2001 ?? That’s so bizarre. Teasing is not a matter of backhanded compliments, but being a little rude/making a funny observation in the context that both of you know it’s not serious. Teasing works better as a way to flirt than this weird compliment-backhanded-compliment system, because you develop in-jokes and look confident when you can lightly make fun of someone. Additionally, some people can show interest in their teasing. People are interested in those who are similar or can make them laugh. It creates chemistry. If you rely on “uncertainty”, it becomes a waste of time for those who have other options they already know like them and don’t make passive aggressive comments about them. Plus being a passive aggressive asshole is shitty, even if you suck up sometimes.

[@politicalnerdV]

As a Shy Guy who wants to be sensitive but doesn't know if he is and has low self-esteem, the idea of trying to use those qualities to manipulate others is repulsive to me.

[@リンゴ酢-b8g]

@@politicalnerdV first things first. what are you into?

[@upchuck975]

"How to crush a woman's self esteem" alternatively titled "how to abuse your significant other and damage their mental state" good lord

[@pannekook2000]

chuckold this is basically just the "abusive relationship" community

[@rebeccaanonymous2689]

What's your interpretation of "over [sic] confident"? Coming from these guys, I take it to mean "any woman who views herself as a full human being rather than a domestic/sexual slave to her rightful master, aka a man" If she really and truly were a "bitch", to use your language, why would a man have any interest in her in the first place?

[@ex-muslimlibertarianatheis9008]

Rebecca Anonymous there's a fine line between being over confident and knowing your self worth. If you think those two are synonymous, then I'm afraid you're not a very pleasant person, to begin with. Fact is, there are some women who are overly confident and have dysfunctional behaviour with inflated egos. And there are some guys who may like the way a woman looks, who poses those characteristics. And get the fuck over yourself. Its not sexist to point out shitty behaviour that some women poses. They're adults, like men, and should be held responsible at an equal standard. Unless of course you're a traditionalist who thinks women should be coddled and protected like kids. Which would be very ironic, if you call yourself a true liberal.

[@rebeccaanonymous2689]

I think you may have missed the point of my comment...nowhere did I conflate overconfidence/arrogance with knowing one's self-worth. My question was, what is your idea of overconfidence? Your apparent endorsement of Roosh V, a man who believes rape should be legalized and that women shouldn't be educated, suggests that your interpretation of egotism in women might be more extreme than that of someone whose views don't align with those of Roosh. There's a not-so-fine line between honoring the fact that women are human beings and saying that they need to be coddled and protected, which I never implied. I would argue that your quickness to judge me as being full of myself and unpleasant without any real indication of either trait would be projection on your part, i.e., you're the unpleasant egotist here. Then again, I could very well be wrong about that; it's not for me to say who you are.

[@ex-muslimlibertarianatheis9008]

Rebecca Anonymous when did I endorse Roosh? I'm not a PUA, nor do I subscribe to his ideas. And as far as Roosh V wanting rape to be legal, that's out right false and propaganda. If you had actually read the article from his site, you'd realize it was satire. He even wrote "rape is wrong" in many if his paragraphs. But of course, I wouldn't expect you to do real research, and instead just listen to fake news and swallow it up like it's the holy truth passed down by the "woke"(aka fake journalists) individuals of society, right? I do think most women need to be educated on men's issues. Because it's often that I've seen women (especially those who lean on the left) feel threatened at the mention of the fact that men too face societal issues and it's not just women who are "oppressed". Feminists feel threatened when the MRA talk about legitimate issues that men face. Its almost as if they're too afraid that their lies will be exposed and their power over government and society will weaken. Hence the reason why they've threatened several MRA conferences with violence, and will try their best to shut down any dissenting opinion. Just look at what happened at the university of Toronto. Its pretty apparent that these people have no respect for freedom of speech and civil discourse, and would rather use dictatorial and immature tactics to "win". Which clearly backfired. And thank God it did.

[@shadowgloria]

21:00 "bloke that ContraPoints pointed out in one of his recent videos" And that's when I realized how old this video is.

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+shadowgloria Damn. If only KZbin let creators retroactively edit their videos.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I didn't recognise the VO she did either until right at the end of the first quote.

[@siddharthkrishna8463]

28:53 I think that was Contra too

[@MxPokirby]

I wasn't sure if he'd just accidentally misgendered her, but this was back before she was out? Dang, I didn't realize.

[@neuroatypicalkirby2]

​@@MxPokirby yeah, i think she started her transition sometime in 2017, so this would be before that. people referring to natalie with he/him pronouns is so weird to me as someone who became a fan in 2018.

[@napdogs]

"This video took a really long time to make, turns out doing tons of research and reading a bunch of books is actually really time consuming" Oh sweet summer child. If only you knew what the future held.

[@kattastic9999]

@@napdogs To be fair, he _does_ still struggle with research, it's just less like an academic struggle now and is more like fighting a crocodile to the death.

[@NocturnalTyphlosion]

​@@kattastic9999 like dk64...

[@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

These "pickup artists" are just the same as incels, in almost all ways except the incels are pessimistic and depressed while these guys are unrealistically optimistic.

[@calebwheeler8143]

They're two sides of the same disgusting coin, a sickening mix of self-aggrandisement, self-loathing and misogyny.

[@noonehere4332]

They are the oposites of the same horseshoe.

[@Batchall_Accepted]

I feel like incels are how the PUAs act for a while after a recent rejection, and then eventually go back to the PUA attitude after they get over their bruised ego. It's like an IRL debuff and that might be the nerdiest thing I've ever said.

[@americantoastman7296]

@@noonehere4332 lmao

[@kaiosamatlj4031]

I would say that most incels are the suckers who paid for their "advice" but lacked any kind of self-awareness to realise that they've been duped.

[@apanapandottir205]

I say this with 100% honesty. Feminism saved me from being an insecure, emotionally immature man child.

[@BobBob-yr4qo]

How? I legitimately want to know.

[@rabidrabids5348]

@@BobBob-yr4qo Because without it you get insecure douche bags

[@apanapandottir205]

@@BobBob-yr4qo It helped me to understand myself, my behavior and my actual attitude towards women and other men. It opened up so much, it really changed my life in a very positive way and most importantly helped me be better towards women and the world in general.

[@anonymousmisnomer5443]

Same here, accept it turned me into an insecure emotionally immature woman child lmao

[@cossaizy6309]

@@anonymousmisnomer5443 you mustve delved into "that side" of feminism

[@jonnysac77]

Wow, Roosh V is an actual sociopath and his mere existence makes me feel uncomfortable

[@robinchesterfield42]

Roosh is one of those people who...how should I put this? I...might quietly pop a bottle of champagne, on the day he gets accidentally run over by a bus? The world's Decent Human Being Quotient would go UP by a fraction that day, is what I'm saying.

[@JackgarPrime]

Fun aside: Roosh has since renounced his PUA ways. Sounds great, right? Well....not so much. He ended up going too far in the other direction, turning into a religious nut who has banned any talk of sexual matters from his forum.

[@artalcoolique3341]

@@JackgarPrime LMAO, I saw that he found god.

[@arash1789]

As an iranian i apologize for Roosh V

[@DeaconShadow]

And now he’s slowly switching to Christian fundamentalism because apparently being a crypto rapist wasn’t misogynist enough for him.

[@TrueYellowDart]

19:49 Mathematically speaking, dragging my tongue across a woman’s nether regions (per her request) always ups their respect for me by at least 80,000,000%.

[@i10i60]

I'm a virgin, but based on simulative experiences, I can attest to this fact.

[@Vindicador01]

Disgusting,It is a shame what men have become, now we are supposed to humiliate ourselves and do submissive acts during sex which is the kingdom of man,You have to approach her, pay for her, give her every wish, be successful, charismatic, have a good social network, defend her, etc., all of this so that when the moment arrives and the dog finally has sex, you have to walk like a dog running your tongue over his disgusting and smelly fluids, it's really infuriating 😡😡😡😡😡

[@McPhisto]

It's really striking how miserable these alpha guys seem to be. It's almost like their philosophy is hollow and dehumanizing and it's poisoning them from within.

[@NelsonStJames]

Why would you assume these guys are alpha except in their own minds?

[@michaelhegwood9977]

I'm actually a pretty good pick up artist, there isn't a single painting I can't pick up

[@anduro7448]

can you carry David Aberg's 86,000-square-foot painting Mother Earth painting from stockholm , swedeen tho?

[@technopoptart]

@@anduro7448 damn, that's a thicc piece though, aren't you asking a bit much?

[@stitches768]

Thank you for gracing me with these genius comments

[@koboldcrusader]

sir it's been a year, the museum wants their paintings back

[@youmgsandwiche]

I myself can pick up most artists, although I'm still working on gaining more muscle mass until I can pick up any artist and carry them wherever they may wish to go

[@SandersCat_yo]

"How to Be an Abusive Sexual Predator"

[@elomasing7770]

what's scary about this phenomenon is that as sex/pleasure doesn't even matter, it's really all about power and control over women, i.e. r*pe/r*pe culture

[@LeakyBellows]

It's fun to laugh at these people and all, but we need to remember that they're actually rapists in the making. I'm a reasonably strong straight man, and the things that these guys were saying made *ME* want to grab pepper spray. Guys, if you know someone like this, remember that viewing women as property is a very small step away from treating them like property. Don't let this shit go unchallenged.

[@babypurplebat2610]

It's nice to see some men are starting to point this out to other guys! Thank you!

[@OzCroc]

I’m a gay man and I feel bad that so many men think of women as pleasure objects. I think of men as people to form natural relationships with, not as tools to make me feel good, why can straight people do the same?

[@fredericchristie3472]

Whutup: The problem is that if we frame it this way, we are a) giving the manosphere way more power than it deserves and b) ignoring the fact that a lot of people trying this are innocent dudes caught up in a fucked up culture. Mocking them, especially with HBomberguy's relatively congenial tone, may work better in many cases.

[@tonygabashvili8357]

@@OzCroc A gay man can emotionally relate much easier with other gay men. Not to mention that gay men both pretty much share the same amount of promiscuity, making it easier for them to stay sexually satisfied. For a heterosexual dude, the extra challenge and competition in getting a girlfriend often makes women seem more like trophies you have to work for.

[@OzCroc]

Tony Gabashvili Unfortunately that is true. I just don’t agree with objectification and such.

[@ViveLRoi]

Dude wanting to "possess [women]'s very being" is uh...yeah, that sounds like a serial killer.

[@anduro7448]

or a ghost

[@politicalnerdV]

Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs would be less cringey if he was part of the manosphere and not a TERF's idea of a trans person.

[@bigoofsushi6979]

Maybe a demon

[@multitudeofidols]

Maybe Virginia Robinson wasn't a made-up name, but the name of the woman he kept in his basement and still talks to even though she is a skeleton in a rocking chair.

[@Northychen]

Rule of thumb: Never be with a guy who won't eat you out. Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[@fruitygarlic3601]

At least don't be with a guy who expects head from you, but won't even _consider_ doing something for you that he doesn't directly get pleasure from.

[@JackgarPrime]

I actually knew a girl who hated being eaten out. I found it surprising, but I suppose it's not for everyone. Still, doesn't change the sentiment.

[@onosabdulrafi]

You might say it's a... rule of tongue. I'll see myself out.

[@Northychen]

Inikadowa 😂lmao

[@Kaanfight]

Also, never date a girl who won’t peg your boipussi

[@SephonDK]

Dane here. BANG Denmark is hilarious, because he liked the look of the (not explicitly, but eh, let's go with Aryan) Danish girls, but hated that they were so independent and indifferent to his displays of prestige, that him trying to appease their tastes made him feel emasculated. He actually had to listen, had to give them space, and had to not bulldoze their lives to date. And he felt that made him less of a man. Personally, as a dude in Denmark, I prefer my partners being able to handle their own lives (ie, being raised to not being supposed to be dependent on men, and not being subservient to them), and I like that I have part of the purpose in our home. I like dating people. I don't like dating property. Like, I'm bad at doing the dishes, but I'm goddamned supposed to. It's supposed to be OUR house. Not a life where a partner happens to manage my comfort when I'm done working. And I don't like women being dependent on me. Regardless of the economic freedom it gives the ones I should live with, like even if I were to be selfish, I like that people I date have their own stuff going on. It breathes life into mine when I hear how their day went.

[@enkufka_8020]

18:23 so a book that I highly recommend is Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft, because what Matt Forney here is advocating is basically wholesale abuser tactics. It's terrifying and also extremely informative. And it's an extremely good recommendation for this video in particular because a whole lot of these books aren't "how to pick up women" but rather "abuse tactics to control women's lives."

[@zombieedrea]

Andrew Connolly I've read that book! It was pretty damn fascinating, and kind of made me look at abusive men a different way. I've seen what abuse can do to a woman and I wrote them off as just being terrible people, but the book actually gave me insight into why these guys are the way they are and what might've caused it, without excusing their actions. Should be required reading for anybody tbh.

[@enkufka_8020]

absolutely agreed. It's also a great guide for a bunch of manipulation tactics in other contexts

[@cloud_and_proud]

He legitemately sounds like The Joker.

[@Happypast]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes! Everyone should read this book!!

[@christiegreenwood2642]

That book is amazing. I managed to make someone finally recognise they were in an abusive relationship because of that book, and that abuse almost always stems from an entitlement issues. These so-called pick-up artists think they're so entitled. The whole 'but I was nice to you, why won't you have sex with me' attitude is nothing but entitlement.

[@CatHasOpinions734]

Is it bad that, of all the offensive things they feature, I'm most upset by "Porn is my teacher"? Like, obviously the self-esteem-destroying shit is horrific, but I expect that, I was braced for that. But having a "seduction" expert tell people to learn sexual technique from porn is like having a firearms expert tell people to learn marksmanship and gun safety by watching action movies.

[@lisaross4216]

After I stopped laughing at the ridiculousness of these men who are so misogynistic and misinformed I realised their ideas are actually incredibly dangerous. These are attitudes and tactics of people who are abusers in relationship. The need to ‘own’ anyone is very unhealthy and destroying someone’s self esteem to do so is a classic domestic abuser technique. And domestic abusers are incredibly dangerous they are very likely to physically harm and even kill people they’re in relationships with. I’m really horrified that this is how some men think they need to act to gain self esteem. I think when it comes down to it they don’t realised that their self worth isn’t measured in how buff they are or how many women they’ve had sex with but with the content of their character. You will always face rejection in life but that’s ok it doesn’t define you. You are worth more than the notches on your bedpost. If you think otherwise about yourself then maybe you’re the one who needs to change and not the women who won’t have sex with you.

[@nathanclark2424]

Wait, is notches on a bedpost a euphemism for domestic abuse? Sorry I am new to this.

[@talesofterror5839]

@@nathanclark2424 no but it's a euphemism for disposing of women which is shallow and could also be considered abusive if you really think about it.

[@colehartel7206]

It would probably be wise not to get into a relationship with these guys. Not that I imagine women are lining up to be with any of them anyway. Their ideas are most dangerous to themselves, because ultimately they will never be able to elevate themselves by putting women down.

[@Turai12]

@@colehartel7206 sadly, one of my friends fell for one of these assholes. She was stuck in an. Abusive relationship for years.

[@karoshi6374]

@@Turai12 I hope your friend is alright now and was able to recover from it.

[@laurabeardslee4857]

“Women are no longer being trained to submit to a man; to serve a man. Women are being applauded and encouraged to look like fat, outer space cyborgs.” Translation: “Women aren’t listening to men anymore and instead are choosing to be happy, not worry about weight gain, and are embracing a cyberpunk aesthetic… … and I guess what I’m saying is that iM MAD THAT IM JUST FINDING OUT THAT THAT WAS AN OPTION THE WHOLE TIME AND IM READY TO MAKE IT EVERYONES PROBLEM THAT NO ONE TOLD ME.”

[@eyecontrol4900]

Roosh really fell off the deep end around 2015-16. I used to read his older books and forum posts, but left it after his websites and his messages became submerged into the alt right and conspiracy garbage.

[@FragrenceAtMiracleEd]

"cunnulingus is unatural" * lesbian laughter in the distance *

[@veemon]

Cunnulingus rocks! As a straight male, I love going down on my gf, because she tastes clean and I love her squeals of pleasure.

[@cosmiccat26]

@@veemon u rock, dude

[@pantyhatgirl7568]

Heh

[@richardsilva5110]

Everytime I see a man complaining about oral sex on women, an orgasm ceases to exist.

[@olenickel6013]

I always found the thought of putting my mouth near someones genitals to be somewhat offputting. Still, I tried orally pleasing women I dated in the past and what can I say - the pleasure you can give someone else this way is totally making up for it. Which may explain why PUA hate this thought. For them sex isn't about pleasure, but about power. And power should only be with men. And they are men. Who feel powerless. And blame women for that.

[@nakenmil]

18:28 In other words, literally be abusive.

[@basedneet_n3w0rd3r]

L O There can't be love without pain and that's why we should abuse them?

[@DemonlordHatty]

L O “I don’t support BUT...” So you do support.

[@basedneet_n3w0rd3r]

DemonlordHatty that's misinterpreted on purpose, dude. you can think something some people said is right and still don't support them as a whole. edit: grammar and a typo

[@basedneet_n3w0rd3r]

DemonlordHatty if you'd have bothered to read the comments, i disagree with him and criticized his defense of abuse. also, what does this have to do with the argument i made? you're deflecting. i didn't even defend him or his view, i just pointed out that your conclusion isn't correct.

[@basedneet_n3w0rd3r]

DemonlordHatty Yes, all he did was argue for the possibility of this tactic working. He still can think it shouldn't be used in the manner the POA's do and thus isn't supporting them. Also, are Demonlords too proud to acknowledge that they were wrong or do you still think i defended abuse?

[@steamedpunk13]

The awkward moment when Roosh V's prologue reads exactly like it was ripped out of Elliot Rodger's manifesto...

[@kittona8754]

Oh yeah, totally. That's what I kept thinking the whole way through: Elliot Rodger.

[@markkozlowski9019]

"One last question before we get started: do you have any disposable income?" That pretty much sums up every internet guru ever.

[@percyperanamus7432]

" worrying about hr pleasure, sacrifices your own " luckily for men that truly believe in this they'll have no protest from the hentai pillows they rub one out to nightly

[@vaiyt]

Ironically this means they basically admit it is in women's best interest to avoid them

[@marzipanmango]

@@vaiyt That's why it's a "game" to them :/

[@Richard_is_cool]

1:59 "Do not discuss your feelings of emotion or attraction for her. Never tell a girl you like her or feel something for her." 11:48 "Beta males have a serious problem with telling their lady friends that they like them."

[@suides4810]

Richard S. lmao

[@NeostormXLMAX]

I cant even. I went to his website and half of it is contradictory

[@ruki4929]

Beta Males: "H-hey, I mneaaagh..I l-like you. alot. okaybye." Alpha Males: "Hey, go on a date with me. No, I'm not going to tell you why. I will neither confirm nor deny that I like you - just 'cmon."

[@Richard_is_cool]

@@ruki4929 That's how I do it. Are you free tonight?

[@ruki4929]

@@Richard_is_cool Yeah, most people do - but if you can't show your feelings or attraction to them in the process, it's going to get weird real quick.

[@Patricia_Taxxon]

With that cover, the relentless coldness of the advice, the bland and grotesque descriptions of sex, if BANG was a conceptual novel about the soullessness of pick up artistry then I would believe it and love it.

[@Lurdiak]

That's like when I briefly thought Left Behind might be a series of novels exploring the monstrosity of a spiritual belief that legitimately thinks people who don't live by your precepts will live hell on earth after all the chosen ones go to heaven. Instead it's just poo poo.

[@waterwater8911]

not to be the "homophobic and bigoted people are marginalized people in disguise" person, but it really does sound to me that the main purpose of pick-up artistry, if not companionship or sex, is approval from the community, aka other men. I don't think it's in a way that's specifically queer though, I think that these people genuinely despise other women so much that they've resorted to creating an echo chamber with other men like them.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

In a way I think of it as a natural consequence of phrasing being single or a virgin as an insult to men. I understand the idea behind the insult -- it's basically meant to point out that someone has some underlying character flaws driving people away -- but by telling people they're losers because they're single instead of taking the time the understand and spell out specifics (you don't take responsibility for your own actions, you have total disregard for others' wellbeing, you're an arrogant intolerable douche . . . et cetera, you get the idea), it moves the goalpost for being a good, successful person that society accepts away from being self-aware and working on yourself, and towards "make women act this certain way towards me." With, I fear, a dangerous edge of making men feel like they're being deprived of something they feel they should have, of their place within humanity, whenever a woman turns them down. Admittedly I think sometimes it can be a really solid comeback to call someone out for maidenless behavior, especially when they're publicly humiliating someone by openly sexualizing them -- I think it takes the blame off of an intended victim and puts the onus on the creep where it belongs -- but as a general critique of someone's character . . . I really can't help but see it as counterproductive and tremendously harmful.

[@goingunder2548]

Tbh the way a lot of these men talk about sex makes me think they're somewhere in the asexual spectrum but probably think being asexual is a 'feminine' thing, or that would mean being part of the LGBTQIA+ community and they're too insecure in their own masculinity to associate with queer men.