Measuring for Pressure

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The Real Gunsmith

The Real Gunsmith

Күн бұрын

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@iBleedStarsAndBars
@iBleedStarsAndBars Жыл бұрын
Finally, a man who shares usable knowledge. Thank you so much Mr. Randy
@raymondminks1772
@raymondminks1772 Жыл бұрын
You are truly a wealth of information Mr. Shelby. God bless you for passing down your knowledge, to the next generation. I am most grateful. Merry Christmas Old Timer.
@trevorj.8401
@trevorj.8401 Жыл бұрын
I am blessed and very greatfull that you are willing to pass down such valuable information to us, other people make you pay big money to learn the things I have from your videos, thank you sir for you're time and knowledge!
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 Жыл бұрын
This video describes exactly how I was taught to hold and use a micrometer nearly 50 years ago while working as an inspector for a precision machine shop in the automotive and heavy equipment industries. I was also trained in layout inspection for the jigs and fixtures used in production and final inspection. This is THE way to hold a micrometer.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and taking time to comment, with CORRECT information.
@JohnHjersman
@JohnHjersman 7 ай бұрын
I'm sure that using a micrometer holder is mostly for the OCD among us. However, the fact that the yoke grows with the heat from one's hand is undeniable, significant or not. I was taught to use it to tell when a mic is properly zeroed. When the one inch standard is held between the anvils and after holding the yoke for a bit, it drops, that indicates correct calibration. Of course, test piece and tool need to be at the same temp, etc. etc.
@paulnelson9907
@paulnelson9907 Жыл бұрын
We have been measuring case head expansion for years! I have held mine to 0.0002" expansion. I have used a blade micrometer to measure the case head as I fine it more accurate. I am glad you are showing how it's done. Mr. Speer told us 0.0001" was max and others have said 0.0005", I have settled at 0.0002", I also use a 0-1" blade from Mitutoyo Digimatic Blade Micrometer, 0-1" accurate to 0.00015". The other thing is to be careful that you are not measuring ahead of the case web where some cases expand at that junction. If I remember right the, it was in Handloader Magazine back in the 70's were I first came across the method.
@TheQCollection
@TheQCollection Жыл бұрын
You Sir, you've absolutely made my progression in handloading so much more exciting & enjoyable through sharing all your years of experience & knowledge with us. Thank you & wishing you & your family a wonderful holiday season 😊 from 🇨🇦
@lets-allplay
@lets-allplay Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this information. For those of us who can't find a teacher - this is an invaluable experience.
@CplSkiUSMC
@CplSkiUSMC 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for a valuable piece of information that will further improve my reloading abilities. It's rare to pick up good information from people who know less than you do, so I look to those who know more. By accumulating that knowledge over time, it gets harder to find those who know more... but such as yourself, those people are out there so I appreciate you passing down this legacy of knowledge.
@russellparrish5745
@russellparrish5745 2 ай бұрын
Mr. Randy I appreciate the knowledge I have gained from your videos. I learned a lot on the Measuring for Pressure video. This caused me to purchase a 1 inch 1/10 micrometer. I worked up a load for my 22&250 rifle using 50 gr. Nosler bullets. The data I used listed H380 at 42.0 as max. I worked up to 41.2 grs. Loaded up several rounds at 41.2 grs. The next time I went out to shoot I noticed sticky bolt during extraction and slightly cratered primers. Soon after I watched your video and decided to get the micrometer. I randomly measured case heads of not fired ammo I had left over and the empty cases that I experienced sticky extraction and cratered primes.the empty cases averaged case head expansion of .0007 over the unfired ammo. I knew my pressures may have been high but the micrometer confirmed it! Thanks again for your help and sharing your knowledge! God bless
@Walleye_Warrior
@Walleye_Warrior Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mr Randy, keep the great information coming
@paulsouth4794
@paulsouth4794 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Randy, I have used your technique to bring my 6.5 SE into the 21st century shooting 100gr bullets I only came close to head expansion expansion with faster burning powder AR 2206H. It has taken a while to get to the AR2209 via 2208. Whilst the faster powders took a lot more efffort to get to 3200fps, 2209 made it easy almost within book parameters . Your information and comments proved extremely helpful 👍🏻
@garyh1449
@garyh1449 Жыл бұрын
Great video I learned something new. Always watched for pressure signs but never new how to measure it. Thanks.
@patricktravis8996
@patricktravis8996 Жыл бұрын
First time I heard about checking for pressures.....Thanks you for all you do!
@ericendreszl9855
@ericendreszl9855 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. “An accurate rifle is interesting” RS Indeed it is, we appreciate this 🙏🏽
@tommykawasaki9676
@tommykawasaki9676 Жыл бұрын
Excellent information & much appreciated. Casework is the vital foundation of the whole shooting match.
@S.A.U.1489
@S.A.U.1489 Жыл бұрын
You are a treasure Randy. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks
@cornbreadburgess1950
@cornbreadburgess1950 Ай бұрын
Thank you Randy for sharing, excellent GOD BLESS you and yours 🙏😁
@jerrymont2595
@jerrymont2595 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Randy😅. I have a digital micrometer with interchangeable ball, flat and point measuring ends. I often wondered why it was designed in such manner. Now I understand why and how to use my micrometer even better. Once again, Thanks you!
@brianwhitney2075
@brianwhitney2075 Жыл бұрын
These are pearls of wisdom! Thank you for sharing from Greeley, Colorado!
@browndogstt8546
@browndogstt8546 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Randy. I hope more people listen to what you are saying.
@josephhomen
@josephhomen 26 күн бұрын
I’ve read and have heard to use once fired factory loaded cases not virgin cases. 1) fire factory ammo in rifle 2)size and reload cases 3) measure case head 4) fire in same rifle 5) remeasure case head note difference in measurement. Not all cases from the same lot will have the same measurements (virgin, once fired etc) you shouldn’t measure one unfired case then compare it with the measurements of another fired case to determine the pressure. Use the same case for both measurements (once fired then twice fired).
@josephhomen
@josephhomen 26 күн бұрын
Cases will do the most expanding on the first firing due to different/loose chamber dimensions.
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
I love to set in my junk room my wife calls it and listen to the radio and load some rounds. Randy sir this is a very good video all of your videos are great. Thank you for sharing this very informative video with us great job. I learn something from every one of your videos I can catch. Merry Christmas to you and your family sir and Happy New Year GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏
@claw1952
@claw1952 3 ай бұрын
Great video, I've been working a load up for a 28 Nosler using Barnes LRX bullets and Retumbo powder. So far no pressure signs, but I bought a box of Hornady 162 ELDX bullets and tried them for groups. The Nosler Brass has been reloaded 3 times now with no problems. The ONCE FIRED Hornady cases will barely hold a primer. I can actually insert the primer with my fingers. So they are overloaded at the factory or the cases or cheap made. Thanks for this info.
@charleswilson577
@charleswilson577 Жыл бұрын
Just maybe the best one yet, randy. Thanks
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
Like I said Randy sir you have forgotten more than I do know and ever will know thank y’all GOD BLESS
@nathansewell3912
@nathansewell3912 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience and valuable information with us!
@ronaldroehrick4872
@ronaldroehrick4872 Жыл бұрын
Great video Randy, thanks for sharing your vast knowledge, you are the Master Technician.
@robertneal4112
@robertneal4112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to teach and pass on your knowledge.
@leewithey2014
@leewithey2014 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic information and instruction. Thank you. 🐕
@savagereloader6699
@savagereloader6699 3 ай бұрын
Interesting theory. I she'll be testing this. Wish I had known this earlier and put it to the test for brass testing. This may be better titled "measuring for pressure handling"
@lesfoster4364
@lesfoster4364 Жыл бұрын
Hi Randy, Thanks for passing on life long info, Forgive me if I missed the answer,. How do you deal (measure) with 2nd, 3rd, 4th fired brass ? if you use it for further load development? Or Is it just once testing from brand new brass only? Thanks, The Windsock.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
They are measured the same way and for further expansion. When it does, you go to new cases. Thanks for watching.
@dinofontana9242
@dinofontana9242 Жыл бұрын
Very informative advice. Thank you Randy.
@HowieDewitt7575
@HowieDewitt7575 Жыл бұрын
Real sound advice and very experienced with rhe subject
@patcoder7308
@patcoder7308 Жыл бұрын
Keep putting it out there thank you!
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
Good evening Randy and to your lovely wife to.
@iamnobody9542
@iamnobody9542 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Sir! I have ALWAYS done it that way, but I limited my loads to 0.0003" for the first firing. Also note that brass work hardens, so I always check the 2nd and 3rd firings, too, just to measure that those expand LESS than the original 0.0003". Having said all that there, I then back the load down 0.5 to 1 grain to check for best accuracy. I Usually find that accuracy point at 0.5 grain below the maximum load. Oh. BTW, I have yet to have any game animal thank me for the 30-50 f/s slower impacts... It washes out over range variations anyways. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Jerry
@philippejoyal8065
@philippejoyal8065 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge.
@Jack-ur5or
@Jack-ur5or Жыл бұрын
The old ways are the best, thank you for sharing!
@charlesburdette7497
@charlesburdette7497 5 ай бұрын
Love to listen to this guy person can learn a lot from him
@sethlarson5110
@sethlarson5110 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
@fredflora-6004
@fredflora-6004 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great talk
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
Randy sir I don’t doubt your wisdom one bit and I’m sure you’ve forgotten more than I will ever know. I’ve been loading from when I started till now probably 35 years.
@charleywalker2982
@charleywalker2982 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep your videos coming please.
@AndyG0927
@AndyG0927 Жыл бұрын
Great information! I enjoy your videos.
@N5KDA
@N5KDA 6 ай бұрын
I learned this method from the Hornady 2nd edition manual. I purchased a blade mic because it's hard to measure a round surface with the flat anvil of a standard mic. The small balls like Randy has would be nice too.
@jimmyt4179
@jimmyt4179 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Randy for sharing your wisdom. God Bless and Merry Christmas
@COREYDEER
@COREYDEER 7 ай бұрын
Randy I have a question. I am getting into reloading for myself. Have had others reload my ammo for me in past. Does this method need to be done on new brass, full length resized brass or will it also work on a fire formed piece of brass if I wish to just neck resize? I plan to do my loads from factory fired brass.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith 7 ай бұрын
You measure new brass and again after firing each time. Thanks for watching.
@COREYDEER
@COREYDEER 7 ай бұрын
@@TheRealGunsmith I bought a 100 rounds of Norma ammo to shoot and use the brass from since it was much cheaper then getting new brass. Also I couldn’t even find new brass for 270 win from Norma. So must it be new brass or once fired work as well?
@john4289
@john4289 Жыл бұрын
Great information thanks so much.
@thecainer64
@thecainer64 Ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks
@nohillforahighstepper
@nohillforahighstepper Жыл бұрын
Since metal expands with heat , do you wait to measue until the case has returmed to room temperature? Or can you measure it wile still "hot"?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Heat is of no concern in a bolt rifle. I've never had a case out of a bolt rifle be "hot". Thanks for watching.
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
I know one thing since I learned how to measure my brass I was amazed at the greatest groups I can shoot.
@georgeclarke4235
@georgeclarke4235 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Just looking at primers and looking for extractor marks/heavy bolt lift doesn’t tell the story. Your method does. Using the micrometer is more accurate and gives feedback before something extremely negative happens. Thank you.
@RailPRO793
@RailPRO793 Жыл бұрын
Randy what is your thoughts on a tight chamber holding the case head expansion to a minimum until that pressure far surpasses what a factory rifle would have exhibited for the maximum allowable case head expansion?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
A tight chamber does not hold expansion to a minimum. Tighter chambers build pressure sooner as they are tight. Thanks for watching.
@MrHf4l
@MrHf4l Жыл бұрын
Randy, What should a guy do with piles of brass in various cartridges that may have been fired over pressure but were never measured at the case head prior to firing? Can it still be used or does it go in the trash? If I find pieces with an extractor mark on the bottom of the case should I throw those away?
@johnrigby6924
@johnrigby6924 5 ай бұрын
Vern Speer used a collection of factory rifles to determine loads. 1. Factory rifle chambers vary brand to brand, model to model and as the reamer wears. 2. Cases vary brand to brand, also in volume and hardness which changes the case thickness where you are measuring. 3. If you fire a soft Winchester case with more volume in a sloppy chamber it will record more expansion and not be an accurate measure for pressure. Likewise, many factory rounds expand a lit because they are undersised to fit any sized chamber 4. Modern pressure testing has determined that pressure signs appear at around 70k psi which is already past factory maximum SAAMI pressures.
@juanherrera2672
@juanherrera2672 Жыл бұрын
Hello Mr Selby allways enjoy learning and watching your videos. Just wondering your opinion about Norma brass vs Lapua brass? It just seems like some shooters ar religous about lapua "if lapua doesnt make brass dont load it" . Also any input on the 7prc-w cartridge it a 6.5 prc necked up to 7mm. That caliber won the worlds in fclass open and i think recent midrange as well at nationals. I think it was favored because Lapua brass is avaliable. just wondering any thoughts on these subjects, thank you and happy holidays.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Both Lapua & Norma have brass and they are very good. Lapua over Norma, is my take. Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
@jerryhammack1318
@jerryhammack1318 Жыл бұрын
Found nearly 30 years ago. Use a specific case brand and check all by weight and detention. Use a quality reloading manual and follow with caution. Have found that small cases such as .22 hornet , .17 hornet. .17 fireball , .221 fireball are very sensitive to pressure spikes between different case manufacturers and powder manufacturers even from one lot to the next . I love them but always keep safe in reloading them. Tight tolerances spike pressure. Fact. Use discipline and control over how you reload ! Blessings to you all and keep safety first!
@adamguggisberg8813
@adamguggisberg8813 Жыл бұрын
Awesome info! Thank you!
@JohnHjersman
@JohnHjersman 7 ай бұрын
A lotta years ago, I read about this measurement, but the recommendation was to measure the expansion of a new, factory load and try not to exceed that expansion. This doesn't help me much as I seldom fire factory ammo, sometimes because it is no longer produced. My actual question is whether the 0.0005" limit applies to each firing or first firings, only. Once a case has been fired three or four times, does a 0.0005" incremental head expansion mean the same thing as it would on first firing? Or, does arriving at 0.0005" growth from new indicate max pressure has finally been reached? I bought a blade mic for taking this measurement.
@Accuracy1st
@Accuracy1st Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos. My observation this year with Hornady 7PRC brass was impressive in a very negative way. Even with first reloadings and minimal powder charges, the primers basically fell into the pockets. Even some of the once fired brass from factory ammo wouldn't even keep a primer snug. This is the first year I've ever handloaded Hornady brass. It won't happen again
@albertlemont5471
@albertlemont5471 Жыл бұрын
Hornady brass has done this with me in 6.5creedmoor, 6.5PRC and 300WM. Norma brass fixed it.
@Accuracy1st
@Accuracy1st Жыл бұрын
@@albertlemont5471 I like Norma brass and use it a lot. Also Lapua, ADG, Peterson among higher end cases. Never had issues with Fed, Rem, or Winchester brass. This year I'm new to Starline and so far it's excellent. Would like to try Sig Sauer
@Saintsfan1977
@Saintsfan1977 Жыл бұрын
Same experience with Hornady brass. It's junk. I use Peterson brass.
@albertlemont5471
@albertlemont5471 Жыл бұрын
@derekmcmurry4263 I have some sig 6.5 creedmoor brass. So far so good with 3 stiff loads of 4350 and Hornady 120cx at 2950fps
@kylephillips1695
@kylephillips1695 Жыл бұрын
So you’re saying measure in between the labeled case head rim portion and the start of the wall of the case ? Like down in the groove that the extractor falls down in? I’m assuming measure that part because that’s most directly in relation to the primer pocket? And assuming that because you’re using pointed micrometer jaws ? Am I picking up what you’re putting down? I’m fairly new to this and stick to manual load data but would be a handy thing to know in my opinion just to keep yourself safe.
@paulnelson9907
@paulnelson9907 Жыл бұрын
You measure above the extractor groove, the web of the case after the primer pocket ends.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Listen again. On the head, ahed of the extractor groove, 1/32nd of an inch. Thanks for watching.
@caroldavis8300
@caroldavis8300 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge! Can this method be applied to semi automatic pistol ammunition?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith 7 ай бұрын
No, it can't. Thanks for watching.
@Sean_Woodburn
@Sean_Woodburn Жыл бұрын
The etymology of micrometer is greek and actually preceeds the metric system. It simply means, "small measure", not a millionth of a meter, micron. or micrometre. I am also a machinist. Not as old as Randy but 48 years in shops both commercial and academic. Most of those shops were climate controlled to prevent errors due to expansion or contraction of stock due to fluctuations in temperature. One of those shops is a contractor to NASA. Every professor and every master machinist or tool maker using a hand held micrometer that I have ever known used it as Randy demonstrated. But I am old. Is there something new under the sun that I have missed? (Happens more and more). Can you share a source? Every second year machinist knows that the thermal expansion coefficient of steel is approximately 0.0000072 inches per degree Fahrenheit or about 12 micrometres (see what I did?) of length per meter of stock at +1°C. They also know that it is a range. No hand held micrometer can even see those differences. Cheers!
@DentonBramwellM
@DentonBramwellM Жыл бұрын
The case head measurement system produces very low grade information. It is possible to overcome this by measuring a prohibitively large number of samples, but that just isn't practical. Anyone who thinks they are going to get a correct pressure measurement by measuring a few case heads is dreaming. It has been part of the lore for a long time, and is thankfully finally starting to be abandoned. It is dangerous and should not be used.
@mattbrown9484
@mattbrown9484 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@loganhefner906
@loganhefner906 Жыл бұрын
I love Randy!!!
@arthurshingler2025
@arthurshingler2025 2 ай бұрын
BTW.... Great video! Good job!!!
@bryanengland2466
@bryanengland2466 Жыл бұрын
Just a little clarification. Is that half thousandth diameter or a half thousandths radius. About the 6 minute mark I heard this was a radial measurement?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
.0005 is the diameter, not half the diameter, or I would have said so. Thanks for watching.
@bryanengland2466
@bryanengland2466 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheRealGunsmiththank you. Someone else replied and said the opposite, but that reply is gone now. Thanks for the clarification and have a great Christmas 🎄
@paulholcomb720
@paulholcomb720 Жыл бұрын
If I was wanting to try a new powder in a rifle but I cannot find any reference to that powder in that caliber. How would you determine where to start with your powder charge if there's no reference?? I'm thinking lever action 45-70 30/30 calibers, using slower burn rate powder then IMR 4198.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Look at the burn rate chart and data for the caliber to come close, start conservatively and work up in 1/4 gr increments. Good shooting. Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
@USAACbrat
@USAACbrat Жыл бұрын
What is the increase in speed using a 309 jacketed hollow point bullet in a 308 barrel? i am loading a Hornady 30 cal 90 gr XTP #31000, a pistol bullet, with CFE/BLK 21.5 gr in a Schilen 30 tapered match barrel 16" long in a 300 BO No book i am going slow very accurate/small game. I shoot 100 yd target, a target shooter from Boy Scouts who used to hunt. So far have loaded and shot 2300 rds from 90-200 gr with 1 hole loads with Speer 130 gr large hollow point , varmint with CFE/BLK and IMR 4227, need drop tube. Book says 1996@28200 with IMR 4227 about 38.700 I to go a little less ant a 32-40 Everlasting. wasted 30 min not trimming brass loaded some cases shot over a hundred times no need to trim.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
You need to use a chronograph to measure the increase. "The book" information is a guideline. All rifles are individuals and will get differing results, even with the same load. You won't know for certain what you and your rifle are doing without a chronograph. Thanks for watching.
@spradlingjason
@spradlingjason Жыл бұрын
Hi randy I have a question a little off topic for this video but I don't recall if you have a video on annealing or if you anneal you brass your thoughts please.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
It would be a very, very short video. No, I don't anneal modern brass as it is done in manufacturing. Thanks for watching.
@marklandwehr7604
@marklandwehr7604 7 ай бұрын
Can you tell how to measure pressure using plastic gauge
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith 6 ай бұрын
No. Won't use them. Thanks for watching.
@johnfaulkner3079
@johnfaulkner3079 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Selby, is there a commercial micrometer available without the anvil style points, such as the one you use? Is there one you would recommend? Thank you for sharing your knowledge, i always enjoy learning from your videos!
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
There are many, many good ones, go to reputable outlet and find a blade micrometer in .0001. Thanks for watching.
@wesleykeith1995
@wesleykeith1995 Жыл бұрын
Can you add a link to one of these micrometer. All I see is one with flat tips. Nothing with ball ends. Thanks. I love all you videos. Very informative!
@joshchieka810
@joshchieka810 6 ай бұрын
I highly doubt you were going to respond to this, but I really need your help!! Can you please make a video exactly how you measure your cases because I’m doing something wrong. I have alpha 308 small rifle primer brass and I am loading 42.0 -45.0 grains of varget powder. The original reading from the brass was .4682 then after one firing of 42 gr the lowest published load the reading is .4691 and all the rest are .4686-.4689. Which means almost all of my loads are over pressure. I tried to follow every bit of advice I can from you, but this subject is really kicking my butt please help. None of my primers are flattening nor have ejector marks.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith 6 ай бұрын
We are able to sort comments that have questions and if they are legit, as your is, we answer, as time allows. We do have other videos on YT and Rumble that may help: Case sizing in depth, Case trimming, Gauging cartridge depth, Reloading for accuracy, Brass: reloading tips, as well as 4-5 of them on our Patreon channel. You could join for one month, watch the videos, then cancel if you aren't interested in a monthly subscription. I don't think you are doing anything wrong, by the measurements you give. Load your cases again, that you have fired and see if they expand more. If so, reduce the charge 1 grain. Not all barrels, chamber are the same. Good luck. Email me if you have further questions. Thanks for watching.
@paulholcomb720
@paulholcomb720 Жыл бұрын
On a separate note, what are the draw backs of not sizing fire formed brass? Clean prime load and crimp for hunting not bench rest??
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
No crimping. Size fired brass for hunting. Thanks for watching.
@rogerray2545
@rogerray2545 Жыл бұрын
👍👍
@diggernash1
@diggernash1 Жыл бұрын
New brass or fire formed brass?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
New brass. Thanks for watching.
@jeremiahkahakua456
@jeremiahkahakua456 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Randy
@jerrymartin5100
@jerrymartin5100 Жыл бұрын
I have a Starrett micrometer, hopefully that is accurate enough.
@erickg.7439
@erickg.7439 7 ай бұрын
Hello, when you say the head of the case do you mean the rim?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith 7 ай бұрын
The head is not the rim. I didn't say rim, as that is not what I was talking about. I said just ahead of the extractor groove, 1/32nd". Thanks for watching.
@bradd8383
@bradd8383 Жыл бұрын
Greatly appreciated..
@charleswilson577
@charleswilson577 10 ай бұрын
A writer is a writer not gunsmith. Love it.
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 Жыл бұрын
I'm not perfectly clear on what you're saying (after listening carefully -- twice). Are you saying that the max pressure load you should use is the one that expands a half of a thousandth -- and that a load that expands more than that is over-pressure? Also, Mitutoyo makes a micrometer graduated to 0.0001 inch, with spherical anvil and spindle. Is that the type of micrometer you are recommending? Thanks.
@paulnelson9907
@paulnelson9907 Жыл бұрын
A better micrometer is a blade micrometer that allows you to measure with a thin blade. Mitutoyo Digimatic Blade Micrometer, 0-1"/0-25.4mm - 11-792-9 is the one that I use expensive but worth it.
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 Жыл бұрын
@@paulnelson9907 LOL. Thanks for the info, but I don't think I'll be spending a thousand bucks just to measure case heads...
@Saintsfan1977
@Saintsfan1977 Жыл бұрын
He's saying max pressure is 0.0005. You don't want to keep shooting that. Back off a half grain to full grain of powder. Also you don't need a 1000 dollar micrometer. There's plenty of them from 60 bucks to 200 that will get the job done.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Yes, just what I said you heard correctly. Buy a spherical .0001 mic. Thanks for watching.
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealGunsmith Thanks. Great info. I'm very eager to work with it.
@sethperry1323
@sethperry1323 Жыл бұрын
What do you think about the 6x45?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Another 6mm. Good within its capabilities. Thanks for watching.
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
I’m pausing for my comments I like Winchester brass I’ve always used more of it than any other kind of brass.
@giuseppe_M
@giuseppe_M Жыл бұрын
I REALLY LOVE THIS MAN .
@Thoseaboutto911
@Thoseaboutto911 Жыл бұрын
Can you recommend a micrometer
@Nonedw
@Nonedw Жыл бұрын
Mitatoyo
@Saintsfan1977
@Saintsfan1977 Жыл бұрын
​@@Nonedwtoo expensive
@Thoseaboutto911
@Thoseaboutto911 Жыл бұрын
@@Nonedw Type or model or Style Pointed , rounded, Blade micrometer
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Mitutoyo are tops. Blade micrometer in .0001. Thanks for watching.
@rayweir9903
@rayweir9903 Жыл бұрын
😊I think our ole buddy Ken Waters explains it well in his books (pet loads ) vol. 1&2
@charlesjurin7779
@charlesjurin7779 11 ай бұрын
Waters measured cases at the area of greatest expansion not the area over the primer
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 Жыл бұрын
Randy, it would help if you held up an illustration of a case, marked to show exactly where to take the measurement. Pointing with your finger does not give a clear indication of what you mean. I only use mid-range loads that are listed in the manuals. I do not experiment with hot loads, so I presume I don't need to take these case head measurements.
@jmc041071
@jmc041071 Жыл бұрын
I've looked at a few schematics for 45-70 cases. I don't have one in hand to check yet. The schematics vary. Some say the measurement right above the rim is .498, some say .505 and some say .506. Just for the sake of my question, and i hope it's not too much of a stupid question, but I'm just trying to learn. Let's use the .505 measurement. Would half of a thousandth more case expansion be .510? Sorry I am terrible at this stuff.
@joshawageorge2122
@joshawageorge2122 Жыл бұрын
Now with the different case styles wouldn't you measure them differently such as a belted magnum ,rimmed,rimless,rebated cartridges have different traits that are essential .the shoulder on a belted magnum may shift .also the pressures by bullet seating depth will effect case life and could aid in accuracy and remember barrel throat and freebore along with chamber may expand with high pressures after many loads have been sent through the barrel !
@dpete8995
@dpete8995 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Randy…
@braddhancock6192
@braddhancock6192 Жыл бұрын
Randy did you check with gunwerks
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
@bigdawgwill44
@bigdawgwill44 Жыл бұрын
Would this be .0005 max of expansion?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith 11 ай бұрын
Yes. .0005 is top working pressure. Thanks for watching.
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
I’m learning my 13 year old nephew to reload.
@charleswilson577
@charleswilson577 10 ай бұрын
If you can't understand this, I think it's safe to say quit reloading and take up golf or knitting.
@t.j.turner1101
@t.j.turner1101 Жыл бұрын
Does the micrometer have balls on both ends?
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Yes, it does. Thanks for watching.
@randlerichardson5826
@randlerichardson5826 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I comment so much
@ArleeNiemi
@ArleeNiemi 8 ай бұрын
If you don't have small hands you can insert your ring finger in the micrometer. Really
@norseman5041
@norseman5041 Жыл бұрын
I am a machinist, and we do never advice to hold a micrometer in such way. Why? Heat will transfer to your tool and give you inaccurate reading. You should hold it on the small, insulated area, if you do not have a micrometer holder. And why do Americans call it a micrometer, clearly you measure inches 🙂 I have used this method for as long as I have been reloading.
@garyh1449
@garyh1449 Жыл бұрын
I worked with a carbide tool company and we held the micrometer exactly as it was shown here and we held tollerences to .0005 of an inch.
@MyAudioPipe
@MyAudioPipe Жыл бұрын
I have seen heat change tings but not att humen heat thats so little that you Will not measure that accurate.
@williamgaines9784
@williamgaines9784 Жыл бұрын
Micro = very small meter = to measure As a "machinist" you should know that the measurement unit, whether inches or millimeters, is able to be micromeasured with proper devices.
@TheRealGunsmith
@TheRealGunsmith Жыл бұрын
Good for you, but I've worked with tops in the field for over 60 years and all have done this even a tool & die maker/machinist from Germany who worked for 40+ years with tolerances tighter than most people can even imagine. The term 'micrometer' can be traced back to neoclassical Greece and literally translates as ‘small measure.’ Different types of micrometers have measuring ranges of between 25mm and 1 inch. Thanks for watching.
@ForrestsShop
@ForrestsShop Жыл бұрын
I have worked with professional racing engines both machining and assembling. As long as he’s consistent in how he holds the micrometer it will read the same every time. The people who thought up this method obviously understood that it’s a great way to hold the micrometer consistently. We measured some parts to .00001”, and yes, temperature transfer matters, but consistency matters more. Best practices for precision in any field are consistent practices.
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