Meat the Facts: Red Meat Causes Diabetes?

[@chargermopar]

If red meat caused diabetes Shawn Baker would have been in a coma years ago!

[@russellstoffberg6331]

Shawn Baker should be tagged in this one.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Is he DNR? Does Nibble Ribeye

[@dean7673]

lol, I would too. I’ve eaten 400 pounds of meat per year for 3 years now

[@titaninay1616]

Same with Dr. Jordan Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila

[@chargermopar]

@@dean7673 I eat at least 1 pound of red meat a day and have for over 40 years, how many pounds is that LOL???

[@wcneathery3100]

"Sweets and desserts, French Fries and refined grains" absolutely had nothing to do with causing diabetes 😅

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I sense sarcasm sprinkles

[@clovermark39]

Not at all! 😂

[@WW-cu3tm]

Exceptions notwithstanding, globally most cultures see the meat on their plates as the centerpiece of the meal. This is not simply because of arbitrary preference. It is a result of millions of years of human/pre-human evolution. Again, pardon me, but exceptions not-withstanding, our species with its front facing narrow stereoscopic vision, relatively simple stomach and short colon, and even our (exceptional to be sure) loss of body hair compared to other great apes suggests predation and scavenging as at least an important source of energy and nutrition. To insist that practical “better” (usually plant based) alternatives exist seems both unscientific but also simply non-intuitive with years of evolution in mind. Perhaps we are lucky that in times of famine our ancestors have been able to scrounge, process (despite potentially high energy costs) and basically survive on plants, that led to inheriting the ability to eat a wide variety of carbs. But to me it seems our bodies are best BUILT with animal fat and protein, and fat really is well suited for both fueling and building. In our bodies, at best, carbs are really only about fueling. Agriculture may have fueled productive empires, it may have maintained empires in difficult times, and it may have powered armies and the soldiers that were about to die, but it does not seem clear to me that it consistently grows healthy individuals.

[@FactsAndLogic-1]

@@nicknorwitzPhD Added sugar has similarly low hazard ratios for diabetes risk, with potential confounding from 'healthy user bias.' What evidence explains your difference in perspectives on their potential to cause diabetes?

[@elizabethjorgensen5876]

Not according to the Sugar Industry! :D

[@InTheWrongTimeline]

They sure didn't go to India, where type 2 diabetes is crazy high, but heme iron consumption is generally zero.

[@anonkasper7937]

India is a plant based disaster.I was almost full vegetarian eating veggies and rice and have ended up skinny and sick with intestine issues

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Do love me lamb curry tho

[@joecaner]

Highest Total Number of Diabetics: 1) China - approximately 116 million people (9.2% of the population) 2) India - approximately 77 million people (10.4% of the population) 3) United States - approximately 31 million people (10.8% of the population) 4) Pakistan - approximately 19 million people (19.9% of the population)

[@ToonsGoofyMemes]

​@@joecaner Why are you ranking them based on the actual number and not the percentage?

[@Appleblade]

@@joecaner Pakistan! ... wtf is happening in Pakistan? lol

[@Baabaabelle]

Mainstream media is full of lies. Dr Ben Bikman explains insulin the best imo.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Love Ben. Great guy.

[@stephencarlson3523]

Headlines with words like could, may, and might before the causal statement, might as well say could not, may not, might not.

[@jackiedelvalle]

Exactly. People have been conditioned not to notice that though...

[@RC-qf3mp]

Yes, or change the headlines to “Aliens could…may…might… cause … diabetes…”. Would be just as nonsensical. 👽 😅

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Maybe... maybe not

[@TOMGARVEYtheKETOCOOK]

So, first thing I would look for is who's funding the study, also what type of diet they were eating! As a type 2 diabetic, the standard American diet caused most of my problems! Keto low carb lifestyle saved me.

[@drscott1]

5 years carnivore diet my H-A1c has dropped like a rock, my fasting insulin level and glucose looks perfect

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Happy for you!

[@aaronmyers2382]

That's because it's the diet we evolved on. Ever since humans started eating massive amounts of Vegas and carbs our brains have been shrinking and bones are becoming weak. It's so obvious this whole industry is a scam to sell seed oil and sugar.

[@drscott1]

@@dan-qe1tb I was not heavy before I started. I probably lost about 5-10 lbs. those with lots of adipose will lose more. Muscle mass stayed the same. I am pushing 60 yo though

[@AMN320]

​@@drscott1 how is your lipid profile?

[@drscott1]

@ elevated, including HDL

[@robmorgan3842]

I used to be a type 2 diabetic. Going carnivore reversed that condition. Carbohydrates and sugar is the enemy not meat

[@CptApplestrudl]

I daresay excessive or empty carbohydrates like white bread are more of a problem. And there I think it's largely the problem of palatability. You just eat too much of it, since it doesnt fill you up, therefore indulging in excess calories while not getting relevant nutrients. If you combine that with zero exercise, you got yourself a slushy for obesity. But yes, sugar is generally to be avoided.

[@werquantum]

You possess the rare skill of clarity of explanation. Tough to do for the highly intelligent and highly educated. Thank you.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Thank you. That’s very nice 😊

[@KatieZeldin]

I remember a study in which sandwiches and lasagnas were defined as meat. We need to triple check every word in these studies, we're dealing with con men here.

[@wcneathery3100]

The real question is who funded these studies. Follow the MONEY 😊

[@lauraon]

100%

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Food group "lumping" is a problem, yes.

[@airplanenut6242]

I tried to read this study and most cohorts appeared to use infrequent food surveys, so unless I misunderstood, much of the data are based on people’s reports of what they ate when a researcher asked.

[@lauraon]

@@airplanenut6242. After a GI appointment at a research hospital, a grad student asked if I had a few minutes to help with a study. It was oddly rushed and she didn’t seem concerned if I was unsure of an answer. But then she measured grip strength so I thought that’s pretty objective right? But in the rush, I *think* I told her I hadn’t fully recovered from a nasty 2-elbow tendon injury (way too many indoor rowing races during COVID) If I did, she didn’t seem at all concerned. If I didn’t, well, you can see the problem.

[@mattyb1624]

My uncle had diabetes for 18+ years. Nothing docs did helped.... it was gone within 2 weeks of carnivore diet.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I'm happy your uncle is doing better.

[@you_dont_know_me_sir]

Are you telling the truth? My mother has diabetes and NOTHING is helping her. 😢

[@mattyb1624]

@you_dont_know_me_sir absolutely I am. He tried all the medications. Then he saw how my health improved from IBD Ulcerative colitis using it. So he decided to give it a go. Your body will still turn protein into glucose, so be aware. Start with low fat, then introduce more and more fat over a few weeks, otherwise you'll get the runs haha. It has helped him, he's so happy and has been able to put some muscle back on finally.

[@mattyb1624]

@you_dont_know_me_sir he was off all meds within the 2 weeks. It will take a loooooong time for your body to heal. Months or years depending on the person. All we know is that he has vitality again. Now he has a few cheeky foods and drinks here and there, but his blood sugar is usually between 4-6

[@HealthmaxxingGermany]

Carnivore helps so many diabetics Maybe worth a try​@@you_dont_know_me_sir

[@XaqNautilus]

I sincerely believe we need a scientific paper grading website. So many scientific papers should be given an "F" and considered irrelevant or worse: abject propaganda.

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Who will do the grading? Who is without bias? Only a computer.

[@divadyrdnal]

There is a link, eating meat and cutting out carbs fixed my diabetes!

[@jobrown8146]

Me too!

[@az10sbum1]

Red meat consumption significantly down, diabetes significantly up.

[@danmyers2622]

Well said!

[@clovermark39]

Yeh. Correlation found only.

[@FactsAndLogic-1]

“After almost 2 decades of continual increases, the incidence of diagnosed cases of diabetes (type 1 and type 2 combined) among adults in the United States decreased during 2009-2019. (CDC)” It’s a little more nuanced, diabetes incidence is still up since mid 20th century though, but then again so is red meat…

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

How about seafood sales in Uganda? Kind of like ice cream sales and Kevin Hart movies.

[@joemadden4160]

Was told I was becoming pre-diabetic in March. Went carno. Lost 40 lbs. 116/78 BP No longer becoming pre-diabetic. Hmmmmmmmmmm🤨

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Happy for you Joe!

[@wocket42]

You know you have still prediabetes, but it's just in remission? As soon as you start eating healthy cereals all day, it will come back /s

[@scasny]

@@wocket42 more reason to stay on carnivore.

[@carboholickim]

@@wocket42 no such thing as "healthy cereals". Healing from arsenic poisoning is complete. BUT, just start back eating arsenic and BOOM.. you will once again have arsenic poisoning.

[@wocket42]

@@carboholickim exactly! you put your arsenic poisening just into remission, not healed it! so they say...

[@MK-ft3qt]

I've found that lower carb intake drastically reduces triglycerides even when I eat high amounts of meat. Studies also show that smokers tend to eat the Standard American Diet and drink alchohol.

[@johnsonpaul1914]

My trigs are in the 40s and HDL is in the 80s. 95% fatty red meat based with 70+% of my calories from animal fat.

[@michellesummers1010]

"Muddy the metabolic waters." Love it ❤😂 You make the technical stuff fun and interesting, and that says a lot!! Thanks for what you do! You have helped me greatly!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Thanks Michelle. I'm glad you found this helpful.

[@lauraon]

It's so scary to read these headlines. When I eat vegetables - even though I love them - I get so sick. Thanks for another helpful video!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Glad you found it helpful.

[@lisahause8705]

Same for me! 👍🏻

[@mexdrago3009]

Most of those vegetables were made sweaters and, in original form, tasted very bitter or didn't exist in nature at all.

[@beardown2489]

Try fermentation. Maybe you need to rework your microbiome. Try eating some sauerkraut and kimchi for a month, see if that helps. Homemade Kefir might be another great thing to play with

[@cdinaz]

I see these headlines and roll my eyes. I watch Nick's vids because he's an objective subject matter expert that takes the time to unpack the studies so that I can feel justified in rolling my eyes.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Ha! 😂😂😂

[@Illbebacc]

My mom recommended this channel to me yesterday and I'm super thankful she did! New subscriber for sure!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Thanks for subbing!

[@Illbebacc]

@@nicknorwitzPhD No problem. You deserve more I think.

[@MrWingiii]

it seems every time these papers are published there are always the same confounders with participants (bmi/ unhealthy behaviour) …why even fund these studies?

[@Ge1Ri4]

To promote "plant-based foods" to enrich Big Food and make 7th Day Adventists happy.

[@bakrantz]

Nutritional epidemiology cannot deal with the complexity with such small effects and the public/media is too ill-informed to question the approach. Also notice the media generally doesn't sensationalize that being obese increases your risk of type II diabetes -- a 400% effect -- rather they jump crazily on a 10-20% confounded effect size. In any case, these are hit pieces on red meat -- laughable at this point.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Good question... I personally think the resources could be better spent

[@TwiztedFingers]

The funding apparatus and review process have been hijacked by people who want nothing more that their predefined outcome. If the review process actually worked correctly the garbage studies wouldn't see the light of day, but that is not how it works. Finding papers today where the experiments conducted even attempt to adhere to the scientific method is a like finding a needle in a haystack.

[@faza553]

"eGenesis secures $191 million in Series D funding to advance xenotransplantation. The biotech aims to develop genetically edited pig organs for human transplantation, addressing the critical organ shortage crisis." "Lead program EGEN-2784 focuses on pig kidneys for human transplantation."

[@Tai91827]

Red meat causes diabetes? Tell that to the Masai tribe in Kenya.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Cup of Blood... pinkies out

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Real question, but are the type of monkeys they eat considered red meat? I've never investigated the myoglobin content. Humans are red meat with a mix of light meat and dark meat. Guessing the monkeys would be the same. I sent a text to a zoologist friend. He texted me back saying it is "frowned upon to consider". "USA, Canada, UK, France,... Look down on those that eat monkeys or gorillas" "But I would classify it as bushmeat and the scientific community is still debating if it is red meat or white meat". So that was interesting. I don't know.

[@furbyinthemicrowave5344]

From a biochemical and physiological point of view it is not possible to develop type 2 diabetes from a zero carb diet.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Very unlikely.

[@izuki1245]

When i was younger and my grandma had diabetes it was called sugar diabetes,go figure they changed it to diabetes.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Not sure that was ever the medical term… diabetes mellitus means “sweet” since there is sugar in the urine tho

[@bruceb5481]

When I was a kid in the 1940s & 1950s it was called sugar. That's it.

[@stevemathews684]

Thank you for this video! Must admit these headlines were cause for great concern; was hoping you would respond. No longer concerned!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ming294]

Your diligence for using real research in buttressing your discussions is refreshing. BTW, I also agree that the STEAKS are too high. Gotta wait for a sale in order to stock up.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Haha... good one.

[@ming294]

@@nicknorwitzPhD I was listening to Dr. Eric Westman's critique of "Meat the Facts" during my daily bathroom routine. After your last remark, Dr. Westman pointed out your affinity to puns. What??? I immediately went to the laptop and rewound to your last remark. I applaud your clever usage of subtitles. It was hilarious. Your knowledge and wit are desperately needed in order to break up this current corrupt authoritarian medical bureaucracy.

[@SfalmaTasFrenas]

Hey if you're here just for the answer then here: NO it doesn't

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

decisive

[@mariosmusik4898]

I'm happy I found your channel. There are so many, often contradicting recommendations for what is a healthy diet. Like it's "well known" that red meat is unhealthy. Since I once wanted to make the perfect nutrition plan for me and stumbled across totally different recommendations for macros and micro nutrients even from governmental organisations of different countrys, I took it easy and fokus on enough protein, an adequate amount of calories and try to eat not so much sugar, but more fruits and vegetables. Not caring to much about specific foods wich are said to be super helthy or unhealthy

[@MainUkraine]

As an endurance athlete we struggle with iron deficiency from losing it excessively in sweat. If anything I need more iron during the cycling season than less. This research is just ridiculous.

[@Nope145]

"The steaks are too high". 😂😂. As long as they are medium rare I don't mind.

[@airplanenut6242]

Thank you for covering this. Got to lump NY Times in with the sensational headlines. What was weird about that article (didn’t read the others mentioned) was only the first paragraph or two mentioned the study, then they shifted to what felt like pre-made talking points against meat consumption that had almost nothing to do with the study. Also how is a hazard ratio of 1.10 in an analysis of that many studies considered worth blaring headlines? Seems way overblown.

[@mariehughey5390]

Unfortunately many of my cohort was raised with the fear of saturated fats, salt, and told to eat enriched cereal and bread at every meal. Every single one has an issue that can be traced to sugar and grains. But red meat always ends up the scapegoat.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I think the % of people with Alpha Gal is too small to drive the association

[@Livetoeat171]

The more I hear about industries, spreading rumors against meat, I'm in hopes, the meat industry will start lowering their price and allow us carnivores to be able to eat. However, much we want.

[@karensprings4237]

Now that would be a great result!

[@kdemetter]

That would only be a temporary result at best. They would then scale down production, which means meat becomes more rare, and so price goes up. Also, this may lead over-zealous governments to implement a 'meat' tax, like they do for alcohol and cigarettes, which would increase prices even further.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

I mean, I wouldn't complain about $3 ribeyes

[@salguodrolyat2594]

​@@nicknorwitzPhD🤤

[@johnsonpaul1914]

wife and I will argue that carnivore based way of eating is MUCH cheaper that the SAD way. I can easily eat red meat for less that $5 per day.

[@petar.dj98]

I have a feeling that if someone is on a high sugar diet their health with get even worse if they add lots of red meat and saturated fat. Ofc, vice versa aplies too. A person on a high fat diet adding lots of refined carbs will get worse outcomes

[@sonja11.11]

Studies should never be published without a full disclosure of who funds the study and the original goal of the study. Also a complete disclosure on biases that may sway data must be clearly outlined for every scientific study seeking publication or that may influences the public.

[@btudrus]

The problem with heme iron is that insulin controls the Transferrin-Receptor-1 (TFR1) in the liver. It is high insulin which causes the distruption of the iron metabolism, not just eating food containing heme iron !!!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

You may enjoy looking into some of the lit on C15 and iron

[@LaurenForster]

High insulin from carb and sugar consumption is also the reason the largest demographic of people to have non alcoholic fatty liver disease.

[@nitro200flyer3]

Will be 3 years on carnivore this January 1st. 3 years before that I was ketovore the year before that I weighed 270 lb at 5 ft 8 55yo I was diabetic with high blood pressure obeast and feeling like crap with two feet in my grave. Soon after beginning this journey I lost 120 lbs in 8 months I have kept the weight off for almost 9 years I had a long road to recovery and reducing all my loose skin. Never felt better never look better now at 18 percent body fat 80% loose skin is gone . When I started this journey I had a coronary artery calcification score of 180 I just had another one 3 days ago this time I scored a 49. Not perfect but I'll take it.What brought me to this was very high cholesterols my doctors freaking out I just smile and say life is good keep your staton drugs to yourself.

[@sodopianos1412]

Wait! Soooo red meat means you’ll increase your risk of becoming a smoker?

[@LASoundCrafter]

I’m type 2 and if I want lower morning glucose levels, I have a lean New York strip steak and a couple of shots of vodka the night before, I average around 92 using a glucose strip. The puzzling effect of lower calorie intake (around 800 calories)with carbs being less than 30 grams, but no meat, I average 126.

[@RechtmanDon]

You (understandably) did not discuss the import of the profit-driven agricultural-industrial complex -- the plant industry. When it comes to research in the US, "follow the money."

[@michaelchristensen2786]

The "plant" industry feeds the meat industry. Therefore, a healthy meat industry benefits both. If everyone went vegan both the ranchers and farmers would be hurt significantly. That's why the meat industry groups are some of the biggest funders of these types of studies (but not this one in particular).

[@breft3416]

Interpretation of statistics is like economics- discussion can twist the numbers any way you want. Some people function very well on no meat, some on no vegetables, some in-between. However, even 5 years is not a long term for measuring effects on health.

[@chamuuemura5314]

In Japan diabetes translates to “urine sugar disease”. It’s always been known that “sweet desserts and refined grains” would have more to do with diabetes than any meat consumption. Diabetes was always rare when refined foods were rare but has scaled up with consumption of refined foods. For the record, red meat has always been treasured, but historically just too expensive to be common food.

[@PhilHugo]

Leveling up on each one of your video my friend! Thanks Nick 😀

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Glad you like them!

[@matthuff5089]

Thanks, Nick. Love your format!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Welcome :)

[@00Gerny00]

According to the UN, the country that eats the most meat is Hong Kong. Also according to the UN the country with the highest life expectancy is Hong Kong. According to the same sources India consumes the least amount of meat and its life expectancy is 123 out of 200 countries. Almost in the bottom third in the world.

[@alexandrustefanmiron7723]

I am probably pre diabetic. Whenever I eat carbohydrates, especially on an empty stomach, I have big issues after a couple of hours that results in increased heart rate, dizziness and cold sweats! If I eat meat and salad, I have NO such episodes! Eating enough meat with carbohydrates also decreases the incidence and severity of such episodes! Basically, I have to eat meat and I should reduce to a minimum carbs! At least this is what my body tells me!

[@wocket42]

A recent report suggested that many if not most German school childred have iron deficiency. The same report also stated that children still eat too much (red) meat (based on tiny amounts of recommeded meat intake, of course).

[@aliciastanley5582]

Just love watching your videos and listening to your arguments laid out and the excellence in your use of language. ( I’m 70 and I have a bachelors & 1 1/2 years of master’s work in philosophy and love how your videos exercise my brain as they are very dense as philosophy always was. Had to watch your’s twice to grasp the majority of the concepts and their connections. Thanks😁👍🌹💙🗽

[@andrewrivera4029]

Had bloods done after 8 months carnivore and my h A1c rose from 5.2 to 5.8 and of course my LDL was high at 278 with tri’s 73 and HDL 75. In that time frame I lost 30 lb from BMI 28 to BMI 22 as measured by DEXA scan and I’ve literally aged backward said my daughter! lol in addition I’ve become vascular and am at the same weight I was when I did the Ironman triathlon 20 years ago without having to train for 20 hrs a week. Needless to say my endocrinologist says I have to reduce red meat! lol which will not happen.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Yes, A1c can rise on pure carnivore, but that's distinct from T2D given it tends to be uncoupled from systemic insulin resistance and insulin levels are typically low. Physiologic/adaptive carb intolerance, as assessed by OGTT for example, doesn't imply T2D/pre-diabetes in an LCHF context per se... would need other testing.

[@andrewrivera4029]

@@nicknorwitzPhD yes in addition I’ve had 2 consecutive 0 CAC scores at 52 and 57 will retest next year at 60.

[@johnsonpaul1914]

Blood glucose can go up if you are eating too much actual protein. Up your animal fats and lower the protein.

[@AMN320]

​@@nicknorwitzPhDare you saying hbA1c, which measures glycation over three months, can increase without insulin increase and that it doesn't signify insulin resistance if you are lchf?

[@AMN320]

​@@johnsonpaul1914 so both excess carbs and excess protein can cause blood sugar/insulin rises and hbA1c rises. Only fat does not raise any of it. But what about excess fat?

[@corteltube]

It is these kinds of media claims (hype) that has made me skeptical and why I landed on your site…so glad I am skeptical, I have never trusted the media and will find outside information to,get both sides of a story.

[@patrickday4206]

I'm tired of poor studies i can't believe almost anything anymore

[@KaloyanNachev1994]

I'm also mostly eating meat and animal products, but I have a question regarding carbs. Would you say that carbs like whole grains, sweet potatoes and fruit are generally good foods to incorporate into one's diet? I've heard lots of people say that our brains and muscles (especially post workout) love carbs. What do you think?

[@wholecoremoments]

I have a genuine question, just to know more about your work. What are you aiming for when researching papers/myths/whatever? Are you aiming to bust myths and be able to tell them that they’re wrong or you’re just trying to see if what they say it’s right?

[@iconoclastic23]

I literally cured my type 2 diabetes and brought my hbA1C from 10.5% to the non diabetic range using a beef heavy diet. This just doesn't pass the sniff test

[@mindofown]

Excellent example of a critical analysis of the data, media reporting doesnt do this, media motivated by clicks/views therefore sensationalizes

[@jasonjanes9756]

Nick you mentioned reduction in sugar and refined carbs. I feel like seed oils should be included.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Citation for seed oils causing diabetes?

[@JohnSmith-ct7sh]

@@nicknorwitzPhDnothing for seed oils… but i’m sure you can find stuff trying to associate healthy fat oils and stuff like butter & lard with diabetes.

[@LaurenForster]

​@nicknorwitzPhD it causes obesity, therefore diabetes, dunse

[@jorgebarreras3002]

Included because... Feelings?

[@alanj9978]

Yeah, I'm sure it was the meat. Not the fries, seed oils, and sugary drinks.

[@carolineknupffer2247]

Thanks for your work in nutrition and metabolic health!

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

My pleasure!

[@arosalesmusic]

Hello Dr Nick! I have a concern. Maybe you could shed some light. I am 57 yrs old, for about 55 years I ate the typical meal, and off and on would go to the gym. I never was overweight. But last year I did a random HbA1c and came out 5.7. Naturally I became worried because my mother had diabetes T2 and her sisters also. Long story short, since about September of last year started researching diets and came across a number of keto genic and carnivore channels including your and Dr Bart´s. So I used to weight 174, now I weigh 126.4 and have a BMI of 18.1. I am 5´10´´ . Should I be worried, should I start incorporating some carbohydrates, that was the recommendation I got from a Dr. What do you think I should do?

[@JimAnguinart-o4z]

Any insights as to what possible agenda if any of the publishers of these "major papers"?

[@MyChilepepper]

I know I used to have meat on pizzas, stew meat on pile of mashed potatoes and burger patties between two buns. Very low fat. I was pre diabetic for over a decade. Yes, blame the meat for what the carbs did. 😢

[@michaelchristensen2786]

How can you say this is very low fat? Burger patties have a lot of fat so does pizza if it has any cheese on it.

[@joetrolo7076]

Yes it's red meat, not sugar and carbs... I'm curious who paid for the study.

[@nobody3692]

studies should always be looked into the groups behind the funding of the funders . True unbiased Science has been captured for last 30+yrs $$. If you haven't tried it and compared your own levels, i don't value your opinion. I quit eating fast food for breakfast & lunch every work day since 2010, 2 months after eating mainly plant based & eggs /chicken my doctor said i should start talking blood thinners for the rest of my life because my levels were rising so much. Now a month of 95% carnivore, i have a 6pack and no excess fat and energy i haven't had in a decade,. my sister visited last week & said i look 30 not 44 and was in total disbelief when i told her what id consumed for the last 3weeks. I know i won't stick with it because i love my veggie garden too much so will do it seasonally . Gut issues, inflation & joint pain issues are all but gone (20ys in extreme sports so have broken most bones at least once) its the only relief iv had without drugs & booze. Enough i don't drink or puff through the week at all anymore, that on its own is enough to do it. If in doubt try it out, you can always quit.

[@Appleblade]

I'm old, so I forget if I've asked Nick this before: what mechanistic evidence is there that saturated fat interferes with the insulin receptors on cells? Vegans online often argue insulin resistance (at least on some cells) occurs when fat blocks insulin's function, and so blood sugar rises, which calls for more insulin, and the cycle causes hyperinsulinemia. You could, presumably, fix IR by cutting EITHER sugar or fat. And that comports with the observation that lots of high carb/low fat dieters avoid IR, and so do low carb/high fat dieters.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

They’re generally confusing serum saturated fat (large fraction is palmitic acid, 16:0, and made from sugar in the liver) with dietary saturated fat, as from coconut, dairy and beef. In a mixed macro context I don’t rule out “excess” (a tautological term but one I’ll use here) can exacerbate IR, but in the saga of metabolic dysfunction beef is not your bad guy

[@Appleblade]

@@nicknorwitzPhD I'm confused. Is it not possible to have high levels of both fats and sugars throughout the body, in serum, in interstitial spaces, so that they interfere with one another re: cell wall transit? (To my micro biology memory, this is something that might be observable with a strong light microscope and some dye... although, maybe not, as google images of 'glucose entering cell' results only in artist conceptions.)

[@Tate525]

My blood glucose (fasting) is sitting steady at 85-87 for years at this point, i did dropped something it was not Red meat but Sugar and Grains.

[@mikepaulus4766]

When you hear about "linked" or "associated with" it doesn't mean it's BS, but it does mean that you should pay closer attention. A lot of people don't pay attention, so saying anything that hints at a cause and effect relationship is enough to fool many.

[@MoodEbony]

Can you please do a video about Saturated Fats and Insulin Resistance? Fatty Liver Disease? This is one of the biggest reasons that I see ketogenic lifestyles being abandoned. I personally am trying to gain weight on a ketogenic diet and average 250+ grams of fat per day (while averaging only 15 - 25g of carbs). Do I need to worry? As I go down the rabbit hole it seems more and more that increasing saturated fats in context with high-ish (definition currently unknown) amounts of carbohydrates are bad, but as the fat consumption goes up and the carb consumption goes down, the results seem very different, actually reversing diabetes, insulin resistance, and fatty liver disease. As total fat consumption goes up, the differences of effect between Saturated and Unsaturated fat seem to narrow. How do I interpret this data, and should I be making an attempt to consume less tallow every day?

[@danielmccarthyy]

This red meat research is as credible as the statin research that cardiologists rely on.

[@EskaronVokonen]

Could you say that these 2 papers could have looked at the same data, but their eyes focused on sugar and processed carbs, instead of meat, and the "scientists" would have found stronger links?

[@xanxus8272]

Nick, do you have any thoughts on the newest video from NutritionFactsOrg (on YT) regarding UC, CD?

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Haven't seen it.

[@MindControll]

Certainly obesity and sweets intake are also independent risk factors for diabetes, but that wouldn't mean that red meat isn't also an independent risk factor to some degree.

[@raquel5401]

no

[@drumwish2010]

Like you said it’s pretty clear. In my case it has to be red meat spiking my glucose and one more thing I have gout and high iron and ferritin levels. So I think I need to change my outlook on a keto diet consisting of red meat as my go to. More fish and chicken in my life. I’ll let you know the outcome.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

Red meat has brought me from metabolically dysfunctional Pre diabetic to normal A1C of 5.5 without meds once i eliminated processed grain and seed oil.

[@sport7553]

my hypotesis is that the correlation to higher frequency of diabetes for red meat is because of lower levels of nitrates... so nothing to do with the meat itself but what was not eaten in higher frequency by meat eaters

[@VisionsandRevisions]

As you point out, the results of correlation studies are, at best, useful in theorizing, but those theories need further clinical trials to establish causation. But since Ancel Keys we’ve been treating correlation as proof of causation, because it reenforces our prejudices and preconceived notions of what’s healthy. That’s not science. That’s folklore. And thanks for drilling down to the confounding variables. I have eaten lots of red meat all my life and have developed type 2 diabetes. Q.E.D. Of course, I’ve also eaten lots of everything else including sugar and refined carbs and have become morbidly obese. But it must be the meat.

[@vicentealvarado5608]

Hello Nick! I've been following you for a long time and i love your content and your passion. I just wanted to point out something i felt while watching this video: although your speech is emphatic and carefully put, there is little variation of pace and delivery; you are speaking at the same pace, with the same intensity for most of the video, which i felt it makes it less engaging. As a keen viewer you may be interested in this feedback, it comes from a constructive place. Thanks for what you do, loved your view as always.

[@Corrupted-file]

Was that really what you were focused on throughout the video, his steady pace?

[@somecat22]

I always thought the link between heme-Iron and type 2 diabetes was from the oxidative stress it tends to have on pancreatic beta-cells, particular in people who already have high iron storage. Iron is a double edged sword, and the bodies ability to control absorption of iron is limited with Heme-iron. Meaning the body may take in more than it wants or needs, Which plant iron has a bit of an advantage in that regards.

[@tachiba12]

Given the "shoddy" manner in which these studies were undertaken, do you think red meat consumption is being targeted in some nefarious way much like say, the taking of niacin was likewise attacked earlier in the year?

[@cynthia5399]

It’s not Tammy that’s causing diabetes. It’s all the process food the hamburger buns and bread the chips, the french fries everything that you’re eating or drinking along with that meat is the culprit. Not the meat

[@jrmint2]

Would love to see you cover saturated fat and fatty liver? also would love to see how saturated fat affects diabetes 2

[@ArchieArpeggio]

Well the correlation over there is that when you consume more meat or protein, you´ll need insulin to get that protein where ever there is a need for it. So if you are on carb based diet it increases your insuline. But the protein is essential to your body and carbs are not so lowering carbs gets the insulin on the right levels. Carbs aren´t essential for life and i rather keep this ketogenic lifestyle what i´ve had last 18 months. I also reversed my insuline resistance is three months after starting keto. i´ve lost 99 lbs (45 kg) and i have dropped my BMI 36,1 to 22,3.

[@IusedtohaveausernameIliked]

A healthy or unhealthy diet is never about one thing, it's about the totality of your diet.

[@jlarson1040]

In the undeveloped world where fruits and vegetables make up the bulk of the diet, type 2 diabetes is almost unheard of. Why is it mostly found where meat is consumed?

[@gsts379]

Hard physical labor, less food because of higher poverty, and an occasional famine may be part of the answer.

[@m-618]

Oh, it's Mr Willet once again🙄

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Professor/Dr

[@simonwiltshire7089]

Willett sits on the board of several companies that push plant based products. He is a salesman.

[@AlexMinor]

Love these breakdowns you do. Keep em coming

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Thanks! Will do!

[@TheCherokeeKidd]

Major papers? By whom? Big pharma

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Nature Metabolism and Lancet Diabetes and Endo

[@TheCherokeeKidd]

@@nicknorwitzPhD peer reviewed?

[@TheCherokeeKidd]

@@nicknorwitzPhD sugar causes Insulin Resistance which leads to Diabetes and also build up in arteries.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

@@TheCherokeeKidd Yes.

[@simonwiltshire7089]

Follow the money. My guess is that it is a big food sponsored study.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Did you look at the COI and funding statements in the paper? I didn't note that...

[@simonwiltshire7089]

@@nicknorwitzPhD Full disclosure, no. I have found that the disclosure statements can make finding the source of the funding tricky. Funding can come from foundations who have tentacles in big food but a whole research job on its own to find out. The then editor of NEJM quit in 2001 because she recognised that pharma owned the journal. She has written a book which is excellent. My cynical view also stems from the fact that paper titles and abstracts can misrepresent what the data actually say. You mentioned the Lancet, they published a paper on HCQ early in the covid debacle that was completely made up. It was all about narrative control. Stay curious - regarding vested interests!

[@jorgebarreras3002]

​@@simonwiltshire7089so... Baseless speculation rather than focusing on the data?

[@simonwiltshire7089]

@@jorgebarreras3002 Not baseless at all. It is well known that Willett is on the boards of plant based corporations. A focus on the ‘data’ makes the assumption it is worth focussing on. Over 70% of studies cannot be replicated or are outright fraud. This is the state of corporate sponsored ‘science’.

[@burst_ch.]

Red meat really does lead to diabetes (when you open the meal with dinner rolls and cinnamon butter, a sugary vinaigrette salad dressing, and creme brulee for dessert)

[@eilaollinheimo4573]

There is a bias in many studies where surveys only are used as the subjects tend to want to please those who conduct the surveys

[@Malcolm-Achtman]

Meta-Analysis is the same as [Garbage In = Garbage Out]. Correct?

[@booytjie]

My Heme Iron blood-count is very high DUE to insulin resistance (Type 2 diabetes) and is actually going down due to my carnivore diet

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

🤷🏽‍♂️ the proof is in your pudding 🩸

[@carloslara9976]

If the cause of insulin resistance is fat in organs and in the wrong places, there's a case against saturated fat. It would be game changes if we could have access to a monitor of the amount of insulin secreted by our bodies.

[@carloslara9976]

A healthy body should have the capacity to secrete insulin, and put glucose inside our muscles, and should do it efficiently (fewer insulin and putting more glucose inside the muscles). If you have a low level of glucose, because you're not eating carbs, then you don't know if you're insulin resistant or not.

[@wocket42]

Let's also remember that the amount of red meat the forth or fifth quintiles eat in these studies are often still tiny. Which means a) they are eating mostly something different and b) if eating high heme iron beef only would also have a negative effect on metabolic health (a.k.a. T2DB), carnivores should find out pretty quickly if there there is the dose-response relationship.

[@ResourcefulNomad]

If you mix meat protein with refined carbohydrates you get higher inflammation, insulin resistance and a better chance for diabetes. Blood type A doesn’t do well with meat protein metabolism, maybe that increases inflammation.

[@drumwish2010]

I’ve been having a real problem with my type2 and I am very strict on my carbs and sugar which is I can say is 0 . However I try and follow a keto diet and I eat a lot of red meat. And my A1c and glucose level is out of control so I’m really starting to think it’s the red meat I’m going to try and eat more fish and chicken and see what results I get. Unfortunately im pretty confident it is the red meat what else could it be it’s 75% of my diet.

[@SamShank175]

The Carnivore Community should crowd fund a study.

[@nicknorwitzPhD]

Leaders in the carnivore community (which I am not) aren’t typically researchers. But they can partner with researchers… I have plans 😉…

[@nks432]

I had type 2 diabetes - I used to do martial arts and eat junk - and when I was younger my body would take care of it so i didn't notice but the training stopped or became more sporadic and eating like garbage did not - that was when I found out I had developed T2. I actually went on a *red meat heavy* diet packed with single ingredient foods got back to lifting and training and walking 10 - 20K steps a day and *drastically reducing carbs* - less than 50 grams in general and less than 100 on a "carb heavy" day. That is what reversed my diabetes - with a weight loss of 50 pounds.

[@shawndonnelly862]

I am no scientist or dietitian, and I was in good health to start with. However, last year I decided I wanted to lose a few pounds. I simply increased my meat intake and greatly reduced my carb and sugar intake which resulted in the weight almost falling off me. Yes, I cheat on the plan from time to time, but over-all it has been a great experience. To think all I had to do was eat more steak and eggs and less sugar. Carnivore is the way.

[@Tinxy95]

Meat has very little effect on blood sugar, Type 2 diabetes is usually a combination of genetic pre disposition to becoming type 2 diabetic and bad diet that is sugar and carb rich, along with habits like constantly eating and overeating. When you're type 2 you avoid carbs and sugars to control your blood sugar but the advice on limiting red meat and animal fats is because diabetes increases risk of heart disease so eating a hearth healthy diet is a preventing measure against heart problems

[@dtt719]

There are now many people who have been on the carnivore diet for years now who also eat mostly red meat. I’m not advocating for the diet here (I do not practice it), but if this were true wouldn’t they have some incidence of type two diabetes? Wouldn’t their bloodwork at least for elevated levels of insulin resistance and high A1C values? The levels of type 2 diabetes and obesity we are facing are a purely modern phenomenon. Which appears to have the strongest correlation with the consumption of ultra processed (often vegetarian or vegan like Oreos) food