Medieval 1250 lb Great Horn Composite Crossbow vs Breastplate

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@tods_workshop 3 ай бұрын

That is a beautiful and amazing bow Andreas. Utterly fabulous as was the test. It is so useful to know what different energies do. I released an odd film a few days ago where I fitted rockets to arrows, generated a few more Joules than this but with smaller heads and still they struggled to get though and do damage. This is a great film

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

Would the arrows be more stable with two smaller rockets on the same plane side by side?

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Tod, I'm glad you like the video!

@pvtbadtouch6540 3 ай бұрын

For some reason i knew i would see a tods workshop comment

@TanGuV123 3 ай бұрын

Would be great to a comparisson between this crossbow and tod's1250lbs Windlass Crossbow

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

@@TanGuV123 From what I know crossbow limbs made of horn and sinew are more efficient than the ones made of steel because by being lighter they spring back faster.

@Tadechicotah 3 ай бұрын

Plate protects well against crossbow. That isn't a crossbow, that's a monster.

@TheMan-je5xq 3 ай бұрын

Just goes to show you every Superman has his Doomsday

@artemymokhov255 3 ай бұрын

It's the Barrett of Medieval .50cal😊

@Specter_1125 2 ай бұрын

That breastplate still protected incredibly well. The man inside could be bruised or if real unlucky have a broken bone, but he’s probably going home.

@qrayka213 2 ай бұрын

Nah just a scorpio.

@kooolainebulger8117 2 ай бұрын

that's a goddam scorpion-class ballista

@snookiewozo 3 ай бұрын

For reference, a 9x19mm bullet from a full size handgun will produce around 490J, so this crossbow has roughly the energy of a 9mm subcompact pistol (shorter barrel).

@luisfelipejahn1281 2 ай бұрын

thanks for this info! really puts into perspective how powerfull handguns are, even compact ones, lol

@Shoopuffishgud 2 ай бұрын

Yet the bullet would sail through that armor like it's nothing at all. 🤤

@Shoopuffishgud 2 ай бұрын

@@luisfelipejahn1281guns really did change everything.

@snookiewozo 2 ай бұрын

@@Shoopuffishgud 9mm bullet through 3mm of steel? No, it wouldn't. Tesla Cybertruck has its body made of 3mm steel and it stops 9mm and 45acp shot from pistols. So no, plate armor made with modern steel would stop that bullet.

@goodgenes0 2 ай бұрын

@@snookiewozousing the Tesla cyber truck as your comparison no way

@thefatefulforce8887 3 ай бұрын

Amazing test. It really goes to show how much energy and momentum arrows/bolts require to have a chance of penetrating good plate. But no doubt some plate armour would be worse than this and the results under those circumstances would be different. Thank you for doing this test. It is very informative.

@aburoach9268 3 ай бұрын

for a good breast plate or helmet perhaps, but limb and shoulder plates were by default thinner and thus required much less to penetrate, It's just like the Modern battle tank where the front armor is the toughest while the top, sides and rear are much less armored

@thefatefulforce8887 3 ай бұрын

@@aburoach9268 Agreed

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

I wonder if this crossbow can penetrate the 3 mm hardened breastplate from another video . That would be best armor vs best crossbow. A 3 mm plate would require almost twice the energy from the same arrow to be penetrated compared to a 2 mm because it's not a linear relation.And being hardened would raise the effectiveness by 1.5.

@theoronig6440 3 ай бұрын

Die Platten sind völlig unterschiedlich da das Eisen in Rennöfen produziert wurde. Der viel zu geringe Kohlenstoffanteil machte eine übliche Härtung unmöglich. Irgendwie ist es trotzdem gelungen aber das Wissen darüber ging verloren.

@Specter_1125 2 ай бұрын

@@aburoach9268less power to penetrate, but also needs a much better shot not to glance off.

@almusquotch9872 3 ай бұрын

Wow, what a monster. Very impressive to see it recoil and the impact in slow motion.

@Procrastinater 3 ай бұрын

Wow, it actually happened, I always wanted to see this beast tested against plate and it was, in a proper authentic test. I am super impressed.

@Archaic-Arms 3 ай бұрын

2:44 If the crossbow was braced against something rigid, you'd have a little more power-stroke since the crossbow recoils back before the bolt has left the string. Not sure how much of a difference it'd make, but with an already short draw, I'd expect measurable. Great stuff by the way. Very rare to see horn and sinew crossbows in action, let alone a monstrous one like that!

@VRSVLVS 3 ай бұрын

Sehr gut. Vielen dank!

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Danke für das Lob!

@botavictor5832 3 ай бұрын

Beautiful job Andreas! very well documented.

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@Jimmynuts1 3 ай бұрын

Very Impressive and again proves having a good breastplate is extremely useful as most dont get hit by a stonking big crossbow

@gushlergushler 3 ай бұрын

This was a great test, it cannot be overstated how amazing it is to see this accuracy in materials and construction for this test.

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

Whoever built that crossbow is a Master artisan😮.

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Thank you ;-)

@Hotoska 2 ай бұрын

@@medievalcrossbows7621what type of crossbow do you think the folk hero William Tell would have used?

@medievalcrossbows7621 2 ай бұрын

@@Hotoska tell is a myth and ordinary peasants did not own a crossbow😏

@shanepatrick4534 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that inlay is beautiful and well done.

@cholulahotsauce6166 2 ай бұрын

@@medievalcrossbows7621can you provide a source for the blue mechanism used to draw the crossbow?

@mtgAzim 3 ай бұрын

My immediate thought upon seeing this was: "I've got to know what Tod would think of this!" So great to see him at the top of the comments. This whole community of living history and experimental archeology is such a fantastic example of the finest qualities of mankind. You all (creators and fellow viewers) have my sincerest well wishes.

@georgewhitehead8185 3 ай бұрын

Excellent Video. Magnificent equipment, all quite amazing. The testing was well done, well thought out, and well explained. Thank you. Doctor George Whitehead (shooting bows for 70 Years)

@АндрейМихайлов-д2с5ч 3 ай бұрын

A great video that closes the "bolt vs. armor" theme, in my opinion. Thanks!

@codexintegrum 3 ай бұрын

Another excellent test video Andreas, much appreciated.

@LunarBulletDev 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video, thank you so much, amazing reference for writers, game developers, designers, etc! awesome work

@EuHkio 3 ай бұрын

Amazing work. Let's not underestimate late medieval armour. It could even withstand some types of firearms.

@OblivionBones 3 ай бұрын

@jacklandedhere5157 3 ай бұрын

@@OblivionBonessmall calibers like 22lr and birdshot would absolutely struggle against good quality hardened steel. Add in range and I think it's safe to say that maybe even 45 acp would get stopped or deflected under some circumstances. Not sure about 9mm tho.

@atom8248 3 ай бұрын

*Some* could resist firearms.

@Lagstudio12345-K 3 ай бұрын

Okay, let’s be honest: birdshot and .22? Yes. 9mm, probably not. Aquebus of the early 16 century? Absolutely not. There’s a reason why aquebus and musket replaced crossbow.

@infamoushacker4chan883 3 ай бұрын

Small caliber rounds, sure. You'd be hard pressed to find any armor that could withstand 9mil or greater.

@adcaptandumvulgus4252 3 ай бұрын

Those are some sturdy shafts. I'm surprised none of them splintered.

@GoodLordMeBored 2 ай бұрын

This isn't a crossbow, it's a mini javelin launcher. Amazing stuff and amazing skills!

@Nathan-vt1jz 9 күн бұрын

Medieval crossbows came in a variety of sizes, this is still definitely in the realm of a crossbow.

@linostsekeris2438 Ай бұрын

If my calculation is correct, the dynamic energy when the crossbow is ready for shooting, is something around 1200 to 1300 joules. I am surprised to see just 370 to 380 joules kinetic energy of the arrow. Anyway, the video is very interesting.

@busterscruggs5397 3 ай бұрын

Bolts not tuned to bow and flying perfectly straight and striking with all energy perfectly in line for max penetration. No..I don’t know how to fix that on this monster and I am very impressed with the video!

@2adamast Ай бұрын

Aren't crossbows shooting straight, no need for tuned arrows

@bokkenwielderful 3 ай бұрын

Quite the glorious crossbow. Thank you for doing the demonstration.

@Memorixt 3 ай бұрын

This isn’t a great crossbow, it’s a small ballista…🤔🙂But boy, it’s beautiful and impressive!

@evelcustom9864 2 ай бұрын

One thing that this does not take into account is that, in a typical scenario, the soldier would not have a giant pad behind him and would likely fall backwards when hit. This would further dissipate some of the kinetic energy delivered by the bolt.

@killerkraut9179 3 ай бұрын

Maybe waxxing the Bolts would made the Bolts more efective?

@Kn1ghtDragon 2 ай бұрын

Now i have full understanding of how would plate armor defend even against the most powerful infantry crossbow. Thanks for such a video

@ObeyCamp 2 ай бұрын

I'm surprised how well the armor and gambison did to stop the bolts from this absolutely gargantuan crossbow. It really can't be understated, though, how much it would still hurt to get hit by one of these despite the armor. Even in the best case scenario you'd be out of the fight for at least a while, probably unable to defend yourself against further attacks whether ranged or melee, so even if the bolt didn't kill you directly, you still might die... There's no chance you wouldn't have the wind knocked out of you at best, and like the narrator said, even though it didn't pierce the gel torso, you're still gonna end up with some blunt force damage and potentially broken ribs or breastbone. It probably still feels like getting hit in the chest with a major league fastball, even through that armor.

@zeekwolfe6251 2 ай бұрын

I have a replica 16th century German crossbow but modern home-made bolts. These bolts have sharply pointed tips and are shorter than those in the video, about 22 centimeters weighing 150 grams (give or take). Small in comparison, but penetrating metal coffee cans is easy. I use a modified boat trailer winch to cock the crossbow. String movement is 20 centimeters. Lots of fun building and shooting. This is a good video.

@wiskadjak 3 ай бұрын

Judging from some of the comments below I think you need to find a way to measure hydrostatic shock in your gel torso. For example, it is not the schrapnel from an IED that injures but the over pressure inside the body regardless of body armour. Those arrow tips are designed to bite into the plate enough to transfer the kinetic energy of the bolt into the body of the knight.

@henriknemeth3370 3 ай бұрын

The kinetic energy of the bolt is less than that of a 9x19.

@cdgncgn 3 ай бұрын

@@henriknemeth3370 momentum - if plate stops the heavy bolt, then the wearer of the armor would partially have to absorb the momentum, which is bigger than 9x19.

@Shoopuffishgud 2 ай бұрын

@@cdgncgnirrelevant. Energy is energy. Someone wearing a kevlar vest and taking a modern handgun round is handling MORE energy than this thing can produce. The blunt force will hurt, probably break ribs. But it's unlikely to kill unless god hates you.

@simonphoenix3789 3 ай бұрын

incredible. Even with all that power it still can't get through the armor enough to pierce organs. But i bet the impact with hurt like hell.

@DalHrusk 3 ай бұрын

Yes. And the breast plate is one of the toughest parts of the full plate armour. If any knight was less lucky, the arrow would pierce both the armor and his body.

@somerandoinaknightsarmor9938 3 ай бұрын

Keep in mind the armor in the video wasnt even hardened and it held up that well!

@DalHrusk 3 ай бұрын

@@somerandoinaknightsarmor9938 Modern non-hardened mild steel is a good analogue in terms of strenght to the steel used for armor in the middle ages. Modern processes produce steel of much higher quality than what people were able to make in the middle ages. It is true that the very front part of the breast plate used to be thicker than in this video (2,5mm vs. 2mm) but other parts used to be significantly thinner than 2mm. As well as other parts of full plate harness. If the arrow hit any thinner part of the harness, the penetration would be severe, not just over 3cm.

@LaPrincesseLointaine 3 ай бұрын

Well, it still has less energy than most bullets... the momentum is very high though, so it may be right to compare it to hammer strike rather than a shot. On the other hand, the breastplate (together with the padding) will obviously distribute the shock both over the surface and the time, so it wouldn't be like a concentrated strike to one point... seems hard to tell on spot actually. Would be interesting to have some acceleration data from the target, especially from the inside. upd: actually as long as it doesn't actually reach the body to hit/wound it (and breastplate usually have some space underneath, padding included, exactly for the purpose), the fact that it penetrates the armor rather than glances/bounces off makes the hit softer overall.

@kooroshrostami27 3 ай бұрын

Would bruises be reflected in the ballistic gel? We can't see any. Either way, if the bolts didn't cause internal injuries or bleeding, you would be just fine.

@Assault_Butter_Knife 2 ай бұрын

This isn't a crossbow anymore, this is a full-on handheld ballista!

@ArbaletesduLimousin 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video ! I just put the ballistics of this crossbow's bolts into a stopping power calculator, did you know it has 92 TKOF stopping power? That's MORE than a 12 gauge shotgun slug !!! And 5 TKOF is already enough to kill, so your crossbow is really really deadly !

@Soren015 3 ай бұрын

I really, really doubt it would have 92 TKOF. You'd need to know the diameter of the bolts they're firing, to calculate it. What we can calculate, based on mass & velocity is the kinetic energy - at 280g, moving at 52 m/s, these bolts have roughly 380J of kinetic energy. A 70mm Foster slug has about 3200J of muzzle energy.

@ArbaletesduLimousin 3 ай бұрын

@@Soren015 The diameter of the bolts is said at 4:27... I used "22mm" in the calculator.

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

Pardon ,what is a TKOF?

@Soren015 3 ай бұрын

@@ShokkuKyushu It's sort of a measure of presumed "one shot kill" ability for a projectile. It stand's for "Taylor Knock-out Factor", but how useful it actually is as a measurement is pretty debated.

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

@@Soren015 Ah,ok

@beardedbowyer9327 3 ай бұрын

On the breastplate.. well it would hurt badly. But doesn't look leathal. Awesome vid man

@twiddlerat9920 3 ай бұрын

yeah that second one looks like it'd hurt a ton from sheer kinetic energy

@b.h.abbott-motley2427 3 ай бұрын

I wonder why they designed the bolts to have such relatively wide heads. In theory, a bolt with a narrower head would penetrate much deeper. It makes me wonder if these designs were target-shooting bolts rather than war bolts. There's a channel on here of elastic crossbows that achieves impressive penetration despite very low kinetic energy, probably because of the efficient design of the bolts.

@holyknightthatpwns 3 ай бұрын

For the quality of steel they could produce at the time, I don't think they could make much narrower heads that are strong enough to maintain structural integrity

@thecarrot4412 3 ай бұрын

Against properly designed plate anything with a sharper point with the material of the time (mostly iron) will just have the point tip roll, and penetrate less than this. The "blunter" pyramidal cross section allows some degree of chance of the point maintaining its shape. Any and all properly laid out tests of arrows shot against moderate plate that could be expected to encounter them shows that arrows really can't make it through. Only very low quality or thin plate against very strong bows or crossbows will fail to stop the projectile.

@frankmg4250 3 ай бұрын

Historians only have the remains of history, we do not know all types of arrowheads, we only know those that have reached us

@lscibor 3 ай бұрын

Finer points would have trouble keeping up as far as mass goes and would be prone to rolling and generally not surviving impacts. We've seen it happen. But yeah, it seems that some better compromise could be made. Those are si wide they stick to the surface, pretty much, moving entire breastplate round.

@StonesSticksBones 3 ай бұрын

Same principle as trying to use a woodworking chisel on steel

@vipertwenty249 3 ай бұрын

Excellent video. Thank you for posting.

@Reginaldesq Ай бұрын

Great video and test well done. As for the final comment regarding trauma etc. I seriously doubt the person wearing the armour with have experienced any pain at all.

@psssshhh7730 Ай бұрын

The Byzantines made a stationary crossbow for sieges that had a short effective range, but fired relatively larger bolts. Anyone hear about springalds? This is closer to that.

@nean9894 2 ай бұрын

where is the line drawn for ballista and crossbow i feel this has passed that a while ago

@covingtoncreek 2 ай бұрын

It wasn't mentioned or discussed, but I noted how one bolt flew flat, without a spin, while the other was in rotation.

@friedrichengels2475 29 күн бұрын

1:41 the shape of these arrowheads may be corresponds to that of the surviving originals but does not correspond to an arrowhead on this picture 1:21 which is very sharp and widebladed

@Kaiyanwang82 3 ай бұрын

What a beast! Any chance to test it at a longer distance? I keep being amazed by the punishment these plates can endure, from your art's, Tod's or Joe Gibb's strength.

@ronbdallas 3 ай бұрын

I’m wondering what those internal injuries would have been. That’s quite an impact from those bolts.

@glashoppah 3 ай бұрын

It is, however, spread out over the entire torso by the plate and the padded jerkin.

@Shoopuffishgud 2 ай бұрын

Less than taking a 9mm wearing kevlar vest.

@Tonyx.yt. 2 ай бұрын

almost nothing

@WhoThisMonkey 3 ай бұрын

Have ten of these lined up on the inner parapet when they make it through the porticulus. Also, those bolts could do with slightly wider flights, quarter to half an inch at least

@christiandietz6341 3 ай бұрын

Very jinteresting test! Thank you ❤

@fostersstubbyasmr9557 2 ай бұрын

Made the armor look like tin! Very impressive

@Tom_Quixote 2 ай бұрын

I'm puzzled by how the bolt flew all the way to the target at an angle, instead of straightening out in flight. 03:52

@9308323 2 ай бұрын

I'm not a crossbow expert, but I'd think physics-wise, the force is concentrated at the butt of the arrow, pushing it combined with drag would amplify any deviation from a completely straight line, which won't really happen in a globe. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

@Nathan-vt1jz 9 күн бұрын

The breastplate would also distribute the force of the hit across the whole of the chest, especially as many medieval breastplate were designed to have a void space between it and the cloth gambesen, to distribute blunt force impacts (such as maces or war hammers).

@Atanar89 3 ай бұрын

Super, dass der Kanal jetzt gerade aktiv ist. Gibt glaub ich keinen besseren zeitpunkt für Armbrustcontent als um das Release Date von KCD2 herum. Aber eine Anmerkung zum Alter: Balistae ad tornum (also große Armbruste, die eine Spannbank zum Spannen benötigen) gibt es in den Inventaren schon um 1200, lange vor den ersten Bildquellen.

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Danke für die Info - das stimmt schon, die Frage ist nur wie groß diese Armbrusten tatsächlich waren bzw aussahen, denn zu dieser Zeit kam der Stegreif erst auf und die Armbrust wurde noch mit Hilfe der Arme gespannt. Für leistungsstärkere Exemplare ist aber dann jedenfalls eine Spannhilfe nötig.

@paffles6696 3 ай бұрын

380 J is pretty impressive for a medieval crossbow considering a 9mm round does about 500 j.

@Drikkerbadevand Ай бұрын

This really goes to show how effective this type of armor was. You'd have to hit a place on the body where the armor was very thin and even then you'd be unlikely to wound the warrior. especially with bows etc. The only real was is to hit somewhere that isn't armored at all, but later armor has very little gaps

@mladenmatosevic4591 3 ай бұрын

Armour on arms had to be thinner, since it would be difficult to fight with extra weight above 1 kg on each arm. And horse was vulnerable to shots from heavy crossbow too.

@eergegerg23 3 ай бұрын

Arms armour usually was about 1 mm thick. But limbs armour has much more curved form so shot can be at angle that makes this 1 mm harder to penetrate than 2 mm at breast plate with 90 degree hit.

@michaelfleischer9795 8 күн бұрын

Ja die Armbrust wird massiv und deutlich überschätzt. Sicher ab 1450 wurden Harnische mit 2mm verstählt und gehärtet(200 bis 300 HV) und waren mit dieser Armbrust nicht zu durchschlagen. Ab 1510 begann man die Brustplatten "schussfest" zu machen, erst für die kleinkalibrige Arkebuse, dann für dir Muskete. Im Jahr 1610 hatte der verstählte Bruspanzer eines 3/4-Kürassierharnisches eine Stärke von 3 bis maximal 5mm und konnte auf 30 bis 40m nicht von einer Muskete durchschlagen werden. Da durch die Schulterkachel des Armzeuges die Panzerung überlappte, war die Brustplatte dort nur 2 bis 3mm stark. Die Energie auf 30m beträgt bei einer Arkebuse aus dem Jahr 1625 durchschnittlich 1240 Joule und bei einer Muskete aus dem 17.Jhd. rund 2430 Joule. Eine Radschlosspistole von 1620 mit einem Kaliber von 12,3mm hat eine Mündungsenergie von 917 Joule. Dabei konnte sie auf 8,50m eine 3mm starke Stelle des Brustharnisches durchschlagen, den dahinter liegenden Koller, Wams oder Doublette jedoch nicht durchdringen. Diese Werte gelten für einen idealen Auftreffwinkel von 90°. Eine moerne 9x19mm hat eine Mündungsenergie von 340 bis 420 Joule. Siehe die Kürassierrüstungen im "Bayerischen Armeemuseum" in Ingolstadt. Der Harnisch, der hier in diesem Video gezeigt wird, ist ja nur Weicheisen oder Schmiedeeisen(100 bis 150 HV) welches in einem Gesenk gepresst wurde. Seine Stärke wird zwischen 1,5 und 2,0mm liegen.

@brianhowe201 2 ай бұрын

I think the bolts are too blunt. There are other types of bolt heads that might work slightly better. Type 16 and 9 leaf shaped bodkins with a reinforced central ridge might work well. Having those hardened cutting edges might do more than you think.

@unangwatataro 2 ай бұрын

how would that perform from max range then ? Not penetrate at all and just bounce off ?

@volkerpetersen2671 2 ай бұрын

Off all the tests I have seen, almost always the armor will protect. Here we talk about a point-blank shot with the heaviest crossbow. So multiple hits would be needed, to catch an unarmored part of the body. And I guess only 10% of the troops were fully armoured in plate, with many only wearing parts...

@tonyennis1787 2 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to know if the impact would knock a knight out of his saddle, or knock him off his feet.

@peterhuto6170 3 ай бұрын

Übrigens... Absolut schönes Trefferbild!

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Danke dir!

@Harry-bc2dn 2 ай бұрын

Great video!

@aaftiyoDkcdicurak 3 ай бұрын

😳 Jesus, to see a bolt that thick oscillating like that, damn.

@danielhofig8429 3 ай бұрын

Zuerst mal geiles Video. Aber dann noch eine Frage: hab ich das richtig verstanden, dass an der Stelle wo sich der obere und der untere Rüstungsteil überlappen, die gesamte Dicke 4 mm ist? Also 2 mal 2 mm?

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Genau - die Platte ist "geschoben" (beweglich) und im überlappenden Bereich sind es 4mm

@devrimaydin4824 3 ай бұрын

I'm wondering, could a strong warbow with good bodkin arrows penetrate this armour? Because while this monster crosbow seems really strong, I don't think that it is really efficient.

@cool06alt 3 ай бұрын

If you want efficient one, look at Chinese Crossbow that basically got 200lb draw weight, drawn into 20 inch.

@ShokkuKyushu 3 ай бұрын

It has 3 times the energy of a strong bow.

@eergegerg23 3 ай бұрын

I recommend to watch Tod's Workshop YT channel, he have entire series of warbow vs plate armour.

@Gargoiling 2 ай бұрын

My impression is that an arrow from a longbow doesn't go through the centre of a top quality breastplate. It's hard to know what happened at Agincourt. The French tactics were all wrong. They went for the centre and the archers were then able to shoot them from the sides and back.. just like a tank, you have to make choices with armour. Doesn't make sense for it to be same thickness all over. (Also, not everyone may be wearing quality gear). After all, armour didn't really go out of fashion till a couple of centuries later. It's based on Todd, recommended below. He's an armourer who collaborates with Toby Capwell, the head of the armour section of the Wallace Collection, and a gut who can shoot a longbow of the kind of weight they found in the Mary Rose.

@hellbow1973 3 ай бұрын

Respekt! Schöne Armbrust und top Video!

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

Vielen Dank!

@pawhunter340 3 ай бұрын

That thing is like a portable ballista

@croatianwarmaster7872 Ай бұрын

What if the tips were more pointy and hardened steel?

@ShokkuKyushu 26 күн бұрын

One of them is hardened steel.

@wastaugts3403 3 ай бұрын

Sehr interessant! Danke für das Video!

@pckkaboo6800 3 ай бұрын

I guess, even if it doesn't penetrate, transfer of force from the bolt already enough to cause a major "Oof" & internal bleeding

@markusjack9208 3 ай бұрын

sensationell!!!!!!!!!! Vielen Dank.

@김도희-p2b 26 күн бұрын

Have you experimented with smaller crossbows and pointed bolts?

@medievalcrossbows7621 26 күн бұрын

not with this target....

@maximeb190 2 ай бұрын

Seems very odd to me that the tip of the bolt isn't sharper and pointier. Seems almost blunt given how square and barely angled the point is.

@jacekb4941 3 ай бұрын

Surprisingly low velocity, a decent recurve 60# bo an beat it. Of course bolts are very heavy but still interesting. Anyway, totally awesome test! Wonderful work with reproduction of this crossbow.

@lscibor 3 ай бұрын

Bow this massive definitely won't be built for speed... I wonder what's the maximum velocity, but danger of dry shot is real. From what I recall even with those massive bolts it still has rather low efficiency.

@cdgncgn 3 ай бұрын

heavy bolt produces strong momentum that gets transfered, something like getting hammered.

@anyiouo3814 3 ай бұрын

may we know the powerstroke?

@greatndit 2 ай бұрын

the problem is on the tip of the bolt used . it's almost blunt

@nikhlsaul3595 3 ай бұрын

Hello Where can i buy this crossbow?

@Interdiction 3 ай бұрын

289 ftlbs is on a par with a 9 mm

@jonathanwessner3456 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, may not have gone through the armor, but, just like when getting shot while wearing a ballistics vest, you are going to feel that in the morning. Bruising at least, might be a cracked rib too

@andreaskarl182 2 ай бұрын

I really thought that the bolt would go all the way through, meaning it would get stuck deep in the body! But not even a scratch on the body! But I still think that a hit like that takes your breath away

@arisaka9963 3 ай бұрын

Need a test against popular pistol calibers.

@brianthebarbarian7860 3 ай бұрын

Would this be considered a crossbow? Seems more like a ballista. This is an interesting overlap between manpad, and siege weapon

@theoronig6440 3 ай бұрын

Tolle Armbrust. Der Harnisch ist nicht zu vergleichen mit historischen Produkten weil er aus Industriestahl besteht. Kenne nur einen Beschussversuch eines russischen Soldaten. Hier wurde mit der 7.62 Tokarew Pistole mit etwa 500 joule nur eine kleine Delle erreicht .

@VALDOVINOSAMEZCUAJOSEEDUARDO 3 ай бұрын

I Know armor is effective of Course. But with that monster crossbow i half expected the bolt to get half way through

@lancemannly 28 күн бұрын

How would they have spanned the crossbow in the middle ages?

@medievalcrossbows7621 27 күн бұрын

with such a spanning device kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIe5d6NvqZ2FoZY

@freedomman06 3 ай бұрын

Would be cool to see this compared to a modern crossbow (they do say that speed is what defeats armour)

@ShokkuKyushu 2 ай бұрын

Actually it's the ratio of kinetic energy and area of impact.

@milansekularac6196 3 ай бұрын

Really hard working test. But I believe if the bolt had a proper cut-on-contact and sharp broadhead, like VPA or Iron Will, it would slice through all that. These medieval tips are pretty dull shaped.

@lehtju4waif5ahk49 3 ай бұрын

A thin & narrow wraught iron needle point will roll against armor

@Greentangle 3 ай бұрын

can you make a repeating crossbow?

@unangwatataro 2 ай бұрын

You play too many silly fantasy games... lol

@umbralobserver 2 ай бұрын

I wonder what a beast like this would do to modern level IV ceramic armor plates. Would be very interesting to see.

@ShokkuKyushu 2 ай бұрын

A 30 06 black tip has 10 times the energy and it's a harder penetrator at 60 HRC ,so I don't think it would do much.

@2adamast Ай бұрын

Tod worked with old descriptions of sand (or glass) covered fibers and it worked

@ShokkuKyushu Ай бұрын

@@2adamast a level iv plate can stop 30 06 ap which has 10 times the energy and a harder penetrator .

@markbreidenbaugh6033 2 ай бұрын

Those bodkin style points seem too be awfully sharp of a taper, I would think a more needle bodkin style would penetrate more. Can you explain why this style was used?

@medievalcrossbows7621 2 ай бұрын

These heads are based on preserved originals of such crossbows. They are designed for the penetration of plates. Needle-shaped heads are more likely to bend.

@markbreidenbaugh6033 2 ай бұрын

@medievalcrossbows7621 very interesting. It is pretty obvious that if the breastplate was replaced with mail it would be rather devastating, the energy transfer is quite impressive. Even with the breastplate the psychological effect would be quite substantial when getting hit that hard.

@jimhemmer3956 Ай бұрын

Would the impact be strong enough to make you fly of a horse?

@medievalcrossbows7621 Ай бұрын

I think so 😉

@StonesSticksBones 27 күн бұрын

No, it'd be an equal & opposite reaction

@Guido-k3y 3 ай бұрын

The prod of this crosbow Is only horn and sinew with out wood? Thank you . Guido

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

jep- 67 stripes of buffalo horn and approx 800 g sinews.

@museminator 2 ай бұрын

I suspect that a lot of the weapon's energy is wasted, due to the bolts' weight. With a heavier (steel or lead-filled) bolt you could probably get slightly lower velocity, but much higher mass, and thus greater energy.

@2adamast Ай бұрын

The impulse being linear and the energy quadratic, the velocity drops faster than the mass increases.

@nikolaushimsel7938 2 ай бұрын

At the end of 15 century brestplates might been till to 3 mm in middle, and with uper part it`s made double thickness. Tipicaly its was hardened to 200 and till to 280 Vickers, 110 hardeness more look likes late time mass production cuirases for for infantry batailes.. Otherwyse nice video, with demonstration of possibilities of medieval weaponry

@speckledjim_ 3 ай бұрын

Is there a way to convert the poundage of an old traditional crossbow to that of a modern one.

@medievalcrossbows7621 3 ай бұрын

This is difficult because the surviving originals can no longer be used. Only reconstructions can help here and provide an approximation. In any case, tests show that the maximum bolt speed is around 70 metres per second, regardless of the respective draw weight of the crossbow.

@speckledjim_ 3 ай бұрын

@@medievalcrossbows7621 yeah, confirmed what i was thinking thanks

@cernel5799 2 ай бұрын

Awesome astonishing quality video! Have 7 pounds been lost due to usage or just decimal approximation? Why not using that 320 g bolt which you used 5 years ago (with which you obtained 426 joules of kinetic energy)? I was also surprised that you used a two-parts breastplate instead of a single-piece one. I know that this crossbow is meant to be from the 14th century at the earliest, but do you think that this crossbow, at least for the prod, may be something similar to the so-called "arbalètes à tour" ("baliste ad tornum") which were in use at least since the early 13th century? More generally, would you see a crossbow having a prod like the one at this video being used in conjunction with the large windlass at your other video (namely, "Medieval Crossbow Spanning Devices - Hook spanning belt, Windlass and Cranequin") during the 13th century? Asking because it is a bit of a mystery what the "arbalètes à tour" of the 13th century were, and I think that you never covered these crossbows. The French Wikipedia, at the page "Arbalète_à_tour" (if you want to take a look at it), affirms that they were about as big as Roman Republic catapultae and appeared as early as the 11th century (I doubt it.), so I was wondering if something like this could be substantially close (or at least closer) to what an arbalète à tour of the army of King Philip II of France actually was. What do you think? Would this crossbow have been spanned by something like that large windlass? Clearly, the crossbow which you used when demonstrating that device was way too light. Is it known what the animal from which the horns has been made in the original is? Have you used horns from the same animal or from what else? I believe that the best horns for crossbows were those from alpine steinbocks (capra ibex). Do you have any preference when it comes to horns? Danke Schön.

@medievalcrossbows7621 2 ай бұрын

THANK YOU! The performance of a composite bow varies throughout the year and is highly dependent on temperature and humidity (weak in summer and strong in winter). Unfortunately, I only had a bolt with this weight and only this breastplate available😉 The terms "a tour" and "ad tornum" are well known but its difficult to say what the early sources mean..... The large wooden windlass from my other video is able to span this crossbow too. The materials for the horn core denpends from their region. Old scholars spoke somtimes from wood or whalebone. I think they mean baleen for northern Europe. Sources of the teutonic order spoke from "Bockshorn" (sheep?) and in central Europe ibex was available and - as you say - perhaps the best. For this bow I use water buffalo horn, but I build one composite crossbow from ibex and it works very well.

@cernel5799 2 ай бұрын

@@medievalcrossbows7621 I guess nobody knows which is the animal used for the original from the 14th/15th century on which your replica is based? Which one of the crossbows you demonstrated in this channel is the ibex one? This is the text, from the late XIII century or early XIV century: >Iuro ad evangelia sancta Dei quod omnes ballistas quas laboravo vel laborare fecero, vendam vel vendi fatiam cum suo nomine et dicam veritatem si erunt de cornibus stambicorum vel de aliis cornibus, omnes pro suo nomine de quo sunt. et omnes ballistas quas fecero vel laborare fecero de cornibus stambicorum, non mittam nec mitti faciam in ipsis de aliis cornibus nisi de stanbicis. et si sciero quod aliquis de ista arte fecerit contra ordinem suprascriptum et non habeat factum hoc sacramentum, quam cicius potero iusticiariis manifestabo. Practically, the text states that nobody must sell other horns as if they are of "stambicus" (steinbock, "stambecco" in Italian) and that such horns must be not mixed with any other horns within the same crossbow. It is clear from the text that steinbock horns are assumed to be either the best or the most costly ones. About the crossbows "à tour" or "ad tornum" of the early 13th century (and probably already existing before 1200), beside the fact that nobody is certain of what they were, do you have a prevalent idea? My idea is that they were actually crossbows like the one in this video, which at those times was possible to span only using huge stationary windlasses (so could not be used in field battles). What is your idea on the matter if anything? Could the crossbow in this video actually be one of those "arbalètes à tour"?

@medievalcrossbows7621 2 ай бұрын

@@cernel5799 This crossbow was never examined in detail, so it is unclear what material was actually used. There is no video of the ibex crossbow yet🙂 Thanks for the source, I think I have read it somewhere or have read about it before. I don't think my large crossbow corresponds to the one in the early 13th century sources. I think it was more likely a design with an integrated spanning device....

@cernel5799 2 ай бұрын

@@medievalcrossbows7621 So, if I understand correctly, you share the view that the early 13th century arbalètes à tour were something like Ancient Roman catapultae except that they had prods instead of being based on torsion, or do you actually tend to think that they were very much like actual Ancient Roman catapultae, based on torsion (so practically about the same as later springalds but possibly with outward swinging arms)? Personally, I have a very hard time visualizing something like an Ancient Roman catapulta being aimed from early 13th century castles down at individual men besieging it. (By "catapulta", I mean something throwing huge bolts but never stones. Something like the one Tod has at his "Tod's new artillery piece - BALLISTA or CATAPULTA?" video, which is often identified as a "ballista".)

@medievalcrossbows7621 2 ай бұрын

@@cernel5799 I'm not sure whether they were actually torsion machines, but it would be conceivable, especially since knowledge of them was not lost in the Eastern Roman Empire....