The Very Bad Reputation of Joanna of Naples, the 14th Century Queen...

[@beez1717]

It seems the queen was just wanting to rule in peace and have her children live. I'm surprised she lived to her 50s

[@johnlewis3891]

You should do a 📷 on Joanna II of Naples. Grandniece of Joanna I, she, like her aunt, struggled for power with her husband who imprisoned her, and she too imprisoned him. Joanna II, like her grand aunt, had to fight off rivals, including the Pope, Duke Louis of Anjou, and King Alfonso of Aragon. Joanna II survived and ruled until her death.

[@emzybenzey]

This is one of the queen's that I've not yet covered so you've helped me to learn about that M.M thank you. Hope everyone is well on here and have a great evening xxx

[@JaRule6]

Check out the book The notorious reign of Queen Joanna the first of naples, Sicily and jerusalem. It's an excellent excellent book

[@glendanison3064]

This is more like a Game of Thrones episode, lacking only a badass but cool dwarf.

[@peggybrem2848]

There could have been. Little people were popular at Medieval courts for their novelty.

[@JaRule6]

I've read the book the notorious reign of Queen Joanna of naples, Sicily and Jerusalem and when I tell people about it I tell him it's game of thrones but better except there's no dwarves and no dragons

[@peggymason7438]

She sounds like a brilliant, valiant woman who suffered terrible mishaps from the men in her day.

[@jonathanpope5068]

Look up what happened to the women and children on the uss Artic 1854.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@jonathanpope5068 Bruh, you really were down here trying to downplay systemic sexism in history en masse. Grow UP my guy!

[@jonathanpope5068]

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Sexism? I guess our male ancestors should have created spears and just handed them to weaker women because "equality". Read a book and I will grow up.

[@idipped2521]

She had a rough life for a member of the elite. Just shows how bad it was back then, even if you were rich

[@sophroniel]

Thank you for bringing to light the stories of people who were unfairly or harshly judged by history, as for so long have the legacies of people like Johanna been either ignored or relayed to others with propaganda and unwarranted distain or biased judgement. Can't wait for more!!

[@revenevan11]

Agreed, I had never heard of her before and the way she was assumed to be behind everything, when she was actually a victim, is absolutely tragic!

[@jonathanpope5068]

​@Horse Man Your looking at old times through modern lens and adding your own propaganda to it.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@jonathanpope5068 No, that’s like saying we’re looking at the holocaust or the trans-Atlantic slave trade through modern lenses. Calling out objective, universal evils is not “putting a modern lense” on anything. The patriarchy was and still is a universal plague on history and is a very real problem. Let go of your right-wing sensibilities.

[@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307]

1000 Pounds OF gold

[@jonathanpope5068]

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 It is propaganda to even put slave trade and genocide in the same category as the way woman in 15th century were treated in the royal court. Asking men to give women equal power pre modern age is not about morality. Also there was just a movie that came out woman king that glorifies slave traders in Africa and the Germans were forgiven for their atrocities.

[@Essie-Cakes]

I would love to see your take on Elizabeth Báthory who is a very misunderstood person and has an incredibly bad reputation as one of the most evil woman in history. Dig deep and you'll find that she was a mere victim of the powerful men around her.

[@debbylou5729]

That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen written in a long time!

[@naomiskilling1093]

You know you're a cut above the usual medieval misogyny when the Pope has to tell you to tone it down. Poor Joanna. She deserved a lot better than she got especially when it came to the husband department.

[@roseprevost8081]

Her main "mistake" was being a woman in charge of a thriving kingdom.

[@barnaby4232]

Her sex had little to do with it, her main issue was her alleged involvement with her first husbands murder and issues started by her grandfather.

[@jonathanpope5068]

The incest probably didn't help.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@barnaby4232 Don’t act like her gender is irrelevant. Women like her were lucky to be in any position of relevance and even remotely listened to, even if they were from the ruling class. Why? Because systemic misogyny, the patriarchy was and still is to an extent a very real thing sadly. It’s only one of many issues, sure, but it certainly didn’t help. If nothing else, she used her good fortune and took full advantage of it to make her kingdom thrive, and I respect that.

[@barnaby4232]

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 women of her level were encouraged and expected to be politically active to ensure their dynasty’s properspity but you’re right female monarchs were still quite rare in this period but it wasn’t unheard of, yes gender was a big factor and it made her life more difficult but class was the biggest factor there was nothing unusual about a royal woman exercising political power during this period. Women could own property, get divorces in most cases, join most guilds, vote in some countries and even rule kingdoms, women weren’t helpless bystanders.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@barnaby4232 And trust me, I get that. Privilege does come to women too, even back then, if you're born in the right family and time and place. I guess its just important to acknowledge that, while women certainly had their opportunities and respect back then, it wasnt quite so cut and dry all the time. Sorry if it seemed like I got jumpy about it.

[@johnlewis3891]

The Angevin dynasty that ruled Naples was different from that which ruled England. The English kings were descendants of the original Angevin counts. The French kings confisticated from the English King John and bestowed the county on their prince Charles, who later became king Charles I of Naples. This Joanna was a member of the Capetian dynasty of France.

[@freeshrugs63]

I'm just a freshman in this course called Medieval Madness. I'm so glad I chose this college!

[@ThatsWhatTheManWants]

Its so crazy that the Pope could just decree that you’re a heratic and your kingdom belongs to someone else now. I wonder when the last time that happened was

[@jeraldbaxter3532]

Just more proof of the corrupt news of the papacy through out history; there have been relatively good popes, but many who were power mad, corrupt, some even flat out evil. In recent history, consider the pope who ruled during WW II.

[@johnlewis3891]

You omitted some interesting facts on Joanna's childhood. She was raised by Philippa of Catania, a Sicilian woman of low birth who had been a laundress washing clothes for the French when their forces occupied Sicily in 1300. Philippa was appointed to be wet nurse to Joanna's uncle, Robert's son Louis. Robert arranged Philippa to marry Raimondo De Cabanni, a former African slave, who was freed and became palace head chef. Together Raimondo and Philippa rose up the 🪜 of society, with Raimondo becoming a warrior knight and seneschal of the household of King Robert and Joanna's father, Duke Charles. The Italian writer expressed his indignation at Raimondo's rise, stating that it was a ridiculous thing to see an African from slavery, standing before king Robert, governing the court, and making laws. Philippa served as lady in waiting to Robert's second wife Sancha of Majorca, grand aunt of Queen Joanna's 3rd husband, and to Joanna's mother Marie. Raimondo and Philippa amassed a huge fortune and by the time of his death in Oct 1334, they owned or co-owned 16 towns and villages, and they had estates, villas, and numerous servants and horses. Joanna's mother Marie made Philippa governess of Joanna and her sister's nursery. When Marie died in 1332, Robert and Sancha appointed Philippa to be Joanna and her sister's adopted mother. Thus the heiresses to the thrones of Naples were raised by an interracial couple. Joanna's childhood friend was Philippa and Raimondo's granddaughter, Sancha de Cabanni. When Joanna became Queen, she increased the power and wealth of the Cabanni family. Raimondo and Philippa's son, Roberto was made Count of Eboli and Grand Seneschal of the Kingdom. Sancha was married to the Count of Morcone. The Cabanni family's influence was unparalleled to the point that the Boccaccio, referring to the Cabannis as Africans, stated that nothing was done without their consent. The Cabannis were blamed by Andrew for why Joanna refused to grant him power and according to Boccaccio, rumors spread that Joanna was sleeping with Roberto. The Cabannis were accused of being behind Andrew's assassination and Philippa, Roberto, and Sancha were tortured and executed in 1346. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raimondo_de%27_Cabannien.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_of_Catania

[@apokryphos117g]

Great comment.

[@Anne-pv9cb]

Wokeapedia? No thanks. I have actual BOOKS from Naples written decades and even 100s of years ago which say differently. You know anyone can write what they want on Wokeapedia???

[@johnlewis3891]

@@Anne-pv9cb What book do you have that contradicts what I said? The only known medieval source of Raimondo's race was Giovanni Boccaccio. No other author from that period mentioned his race.

[@JaRule6]

@@Anne-pv9cb you're funny! Anybody can write a book and write whatever they want in the book. How do you know for sure that the books you're reading weren't written with an end in sight that differed from what's written on Wikipedia?

[@rabbiezekielgoldberg2497]

Coal burner

[@BTScriviner]

I read a really good biography of her several years ago. I think it was "The Lady Queen: The Notorious Reign of Joanna I, Queen of Naples, Jerusalem, and Sicily" by Nancy Goldstone. I think she has been maligned throughout history.

[@MaeveLaRenarde]

Women of power were often vilified in those times. There is a documentary series titled "The She-Wolf of" that talks about Queens and powerful women who were mistreated for their sex.

[@JaRule6]

Yes! It is an excellent book. I keep joking that it's better than game of thrones!

[@JaRule6]

@@MaeveLaRenarde that's on my reading list

[@JaRule6]

You're going to love it! Nancy goldstone also wrote a book called four Queens and I recommend that you read that one first because that book explains how the French ended up in naples.

[@owellafehr5191]

I got that book form a used bookstore a while ago (and still haven't read it, as with most of the books in my bookshelf lol). This video and comment makes me want to pick it up and check it out!

[@crazyferret9409]

Loving these uploads! How do we sponsor you?

[@JamesFromTexas]

All their videos are produced by Top5s (another YT channel). Become a patron of Top5s will help this channel as well as a few others they have.

[@Nathanfx2006]

Yeah, Top5s production, I love how far the channel has grown and expanded into these other topics and getting his family and new staff involved. Admirable.

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

Make it a condition he learns to pronounce things correctly first before you do sponsor him

[@Nathanfx2006]

@@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 No soup for you.

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

@@Nathanfx2006 if it means no watered down tinned Lidl beef ravioli, I will happily pass on "soup" ....{grrrrrimace.......}

[@thejohn6614]

That escalated quickly. She was fine for the most part and then labeled a heretic and killed. A heretic for what?

[@BTScriviner]

Perhaps because she supported the popes in Avignon, not Rome.

[@DiomedesDioscuro]

After the Western schism she supported the pope of Avignon, and the one in Rome excommunicated her and supported her enemies.

[@nicolevarnam2290]

Thank U So Much for doing this video 💙I learned so much about her. Awesome Video 🤘🖤

[@savantianprince]

I love medieval history

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

Papal is pronounced "pay-ple", NOT "papple". Note the single consonant between the two A's, which tells you that the first vowel has the long rather than the short pronunciation.

[@huub1989]

Think pay-pal......not pap-pal!

[@teresamanthy551]

I love your channel! Interesting and entertaining! Thank you for your hard work!

[@kaloarepo288]

The Angevin dynasty that queen Joanna the First of Naples belonged to was a totally different dynasty to the Angevins of the Plantagenet dynasty -Joanna belonged to a cadet branch of the Capetians while the Plantagenets had very different origins.Interestingly there was another later queen of Naples called Joanna and her life was just as scandal ridden and full of twists and turns-her dynasty was closely connected to the Valois dynasty of France and she bequeathed her claims to the Neapolitan throne to Rene of Anjou and Provence who was the father of Margaret of Anjou -a major player in the English War of the Roses.

[@wanderinghistorian]

FYI - 1,000 lbs of gold today (7/10/22) would be worth $25,364,864.64

[@BlackChamomile]

Don't make LA millionaires think they can own a kingdom now

[@michellewinslow5849]

I feel for her. She never really had a chance at a happy marriage.

[@50ulEat3r]

Same could be said today for a lot of women. From those in third world countries who are treated like property and the men runs the house and abuses them, or in the western world the women who get with abusive men and are mentally scarred from their childhood and lack the backbone to leave the relationship, or the dude might kill her if she tries

[@huldrrrr9486]

Just a note that the lady in the thumbnail isn't Joanna of Naples, but is from 1518 and most likely depicts Doña Isabel de Requesens, Vicereine of Naples

[@leanie5234]

Sadly (and surprisingly to me) many (many) historical portraits do not have a clear provenance. Just look at the wives of Henry VIII. I realize that some of those wives were villified (ergo: their surviving portraits were not plentiful), but the confusion is not limited to historical figures who have been slandered...and anyway....Joanna was one of those.

[@JaRule6]

If you want to know more about this remarkable woman please find the book The notorious reign of Queen Joanna the first of naples, Sicily and jerusalem. It's an excellent book. There's no dragons in this story but everything else will make game of thrones look like an afternoon

[@honorladone8682]

That's what you get for years of work and abuse. Tossed down a well...

[@scathatch]

Thankyou. The history of remarkable women, rulers, divines, feminine workplaces, trades, writers, craftswomen and more is a rich vein of medieval history.

[@ibelieveinyourgalaxy]

The way her first husband was treated by everyone since he was a kid was absolutely asinine, it would obviously breed resentment and not lead to any sort of peace in the marriage. Her decision to leave her son and marry so quickly was foolish, history makes it clear that her son would have immediately been taken out by rivals if she was not there to protect him. Then she goes onto marry again to someone who is not suitable, clearly not suitable. She appears to have been good at governing her people but her personal decisions left a lot to be desired.

[@makinapacal]

I am sorry you didn't tell what happened to Charles who overthrew her and then had her murdered. He ended up trying to overthrow the infant Queen of Hungary to become King of Hungary and was overthrown and killed within 2 years of killing Joanna I of Naples.

[@ben-gm4ij]

I hope you continue to make these types of videos about specific people from the era and going through their rise and fall. Very interesting! Great work on this videos

[@thewasatch208]

These truly make me wonder, how the hell did WE as a species ever come out on top?...

[@robr135]

The peasantry didn't behave like the nobles did with such maneuvering, lies, and murder. Sure they had their flaws but the lower classes evolved in somewhat relative peace to lay the foundation to have us here now.

[@w4439]

1:30 -> 1000 lbs of pure gold would would just barely overflow 6 milk jugs

[@beautiful3089]

Those r all Just lyrics but What about the Castle? What Castle she lived in? 🤔

[@josepartida1711]

Poor lady Couldn’t catch a break

[@thomasbell7033]

Jesus, that was depressing even for the Middle Ages.

[@sierramist0789]

This is an honest question. The pronunciation of cities and other words is confusing to me. Is this the British pronunciation of the words? Is there a reason the words are not pronounced as natives would say it? ☮️

[@johnlewis3891]

Robert did not usurp his nephew's throne. The nephew, Charles Martel became king of Hungary. So Robert's father, King Charles II named Robert heir. This decision was approved by the Pope who was the overlord of Naples.

[@80sMetalHead]

Great Work (again) !!

[@jp-um2fr]

I am going to MAKE my wife watch this so that she realises what a superp old fart I am.

[@angelaatwood46]

I like how the baby gives everyone the finger.

[@kimchristensen4704]

great video!

[@snapdragon6601]

Even if the guy's tongue was cut out couldn't he have written down the name of the culprit or pointed him out in court? 🙊📜

[@alanmorris1828]

That wss interesting enough for me to sub. ☺️❤️

[@racheljoseph1221]

Why oh why are ppl being annoying about this gentleman’s pronunciation? He’s ENGLISH. He also still knows his subject.

[@andypham1636]

Sancha of Majorca was actually Queen Joanna I's step grandma, as the second wife of her grandpa King Robert

[@shannsimms9072]

Oh man. Poor Joanna.

[@kl9411]

Major Justice for Giovanna I! Doing my thesis on her step grandmother, Sancia so I’m all over this

[@maryannlockwood7806]

Now I know why Queen Elizabeth I chose to remain single!💁🏻‍♀️

[@AshleyMartin-f3x]

I never heard of her. Thank you for this video all you ever see is henry anne all English royal. Good change

[@SkibidiSigmaOhio420]

11:30 🍑

[@emperorofpluto]

Awesome video but please learn how to pronounce French names like "Valois" correctly

[@emperorofpluto]

Also "indite" is written "indict"

[@Eazy-ERyder]

Her greatest mistake was downloading TINDER to find another man..who the heck does THAT? She'd STILL be alive had she used FB dating or Plenty of Fish..

[@nickpeck2006]

I appreciate the research, knowledge and generally well-written material. However I will go berserk if you continually mispronounce words such as 'Provence', 'papal', and others. I will gladly provide help if you need it.

[@matthewperry5121]

Awsome

[@silviahannak3213]

What the Buck ? Sure they didn't like it that she was on the throne and that she married more than once. As if it was her fault that they died. That sucks. Sometimes i feel really bad for our Ancestors. I am so happy that i can live in 2022 instead of 1503. What the Buck.

[@Tim_Apple]

Hello you absolute legend

[@mr_lastname05]

My words at the end: huh, she did a good job

[@ItsGroundhogDay]

King Care Bear?

[@patricialong5767]

When you were in the royal highlight, it is easy to get a bad reputation. I wonder how any of us would do??

[@h.huffen-puff4105]

Good grief!!🤦‍♀️

[@annfisher3316]

Thank you for another wonderful video, it's great you give coverage to lesser known historical figures. 👏

[@leanie5234]

I once looked up Philip The Fair (because he was mentioned as a pen pal of Henry VIII, and I was curious). While reading up on HIM, I continued to click on connected people (his wife, her sister/brother, kids etc)...what a fascinating journey THAT was !! Those royals lived convoluted, tragic, horrendous lives. Who the heck would want to be royal ?

[@HollyLHeflen]

Wait, what?!? She downloaded Twitter...? Lol

[@smallies7154]

Joan Jett would get inspiration from her and write a song about her

[@jvharbin8337]

Don't you just hate it when the Pope declares you a heretic 🤷‍♂️

[@candidephyfer4635]

"down loaded Tinder, a loked for another husband. " Hee hee

[@The1adventurebound]

And I thought I had life challenges...

[@-JA-]

😊👏

[@giuseppelogiurato5718]

Sometimes I get the feeling this guy is just blindly reading Wikipedia aloud with a British accent: 11:34 "...provenance" I'm sure he was supposed to have read it as "Provence" (that place in southern France). He doesn't even care what he says, neither does he know what he's saying! He's just reading! 🤣👎

[@monicawylie3985]

How horrendous

[@SacredDreamer]

😱 terribly SAD

[@PrinceAkaiVtuber]

She better be on the next FGO event

[@deepstrasz]

Although women were treated worse back then, their minds were still medieval so don't give them more credit than deserved.

[@nazlsenay7312]

.

[@lando8913]

Why (how) did her nephew die on his way to Hungary? Sounds fishy...

[@Anna-se7vw]

Her son was the Hungarian king's nephew, and he didn't die on the way, he died of the plague shortly after arriving in Hungary. Nothing fishy about it.

[@lando8913]

@@Anna-se7vw oh I see

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

King Louis had every possible reason to keep him alive, not only Prince Charles was the heir of Naples and a very powerful piece against his mother, a piece that now was in his pocket but he also was King Louis' potential heir as he himself had no sons of his own.

[@Anna-se7vw]

@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 That's right, the child was actually heir to the throne of Hungary at that point. The queen was only about 13 at the time, and she would pass away childless at the ripe old age of 14.

[@linkedinlove106]

Yikes. I guess it's NOT good to be queen. Excellent video, if a bit too rapid.

[@giuseppelogiurato5718]

I'd probably die too, if I got transported to Hungary.

[@boldbearings]

"Yaas queen, feminist champion..." Nah. Other women faired no better under most queens than they did under kings. She had these beautiful portraits of herself painted while peasants grinded and hungered just yards away.

[@one-sidedrationalization1091]

Nah, serfs had more days off and worked less hours in the day than a lot of us do now.

[@afhtas]

Good videos but please learn to pronounce place names also in another video Salisbury!!!!

[@benfidar]

Sounds like a robot is reading from a script. If not, you really need to know how to pronounce things. (E.g. Province).

[@kirstin1000]

Good info, but you don't need to drop in all this random contemporary slang to make history interesting for your audience. It's immersion breaking and honestly just makes me cringe. Anyone who needs buzzwords to relate probably isn't watching videos like this anyways.

[@Eazy-ERyder]

Oh get OVER it..

[@voyaristika5673]

What about her made her such a target for resentment by so many? There must have been some foundation for building ill will against her character, whether true or false. I've never read anything about her life but this video got me interested, so thank you. Great video, as always.

[@lajosnagy6356]

She committed adultery multiple times. Let’s put it this way, she was not a saint.

[@tempestsonata1102]

@@lajosnagy6356 I totally believe you, partly because of your name. :)

[@JaRule6]

The reason she was a target of resentment is because her grandfather uses thrown from his first child's son and gave it to Joanna's father. If you'd like to know more find the book by Nancy goldstone called and notorious reign of Queen Joanna the first of naples, Sicily and Jerusalem

[@shaughnessyneal9426]

One of the earliest woke women. Feminarchy's been around for a very long time.

[@barnaby4232]

How was she woke what? How are you applying modern sensibilities onto the 14th century?

[@tobystamps2920]

Woke is a big stretch.