Meditation is without effort | Krishnamurti

Extract from the second conversation with Iris Murdoch at Brockwood Park, 1984. Watch the full video at • J. Krishnamurti & Iris...
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[@buddhikap9915]

No one can meditate. The moment we say we meditate, we lost it. Meditation is not an attachment. It is not a thought referring to the past. It is living with what is. To observe what is unconsciously it to meditate. The moment you understand you are meditating, you lose it. That means no normal human can meditate. It is only possible at Buddha level.

[@ermetetrismegisto5341]

If you don't know how to ride the bike you need to put some effort at first. But once you've learned you won't think about it.

[@gabrieljosefmerrun3088]

J. Krishnamurti & Iris Murdoch - Brockwood Park 1984 - Dialogue 2

[@Fawe21]

One must be absorbed in the present state in order to meditate .When you OWN the NOW your inner being will show you how.

[@SezzzSimon]

One must learn to walk before they can run, but once one can run they must not forget that they once crawled before they walked.

[@Mcgif21]

These teachings are too advanced for present humanity. These are for minds who are more or less already “perfected” so to speak. But for the average human mind (mine included) it generally has no use, and even if we were to “use” these teachings in some way it would only produce apathy and laziness in our present mindset. While Krishnamurti is not wrong in anyway, and while his teachings give great energy and comfort when, for brief moments, our mind is receptive to his teachings, but in most cases humanity in its present condition is not ready for it.

[@matthewheap341]

There is effort that can be made in meditation. We have hinderances in our minds, which, if we don’t take care of, will run amuck. When we have taken care of these hindrances, then, and only then, can we let go of making an effort and allow the natural radiance of the mind shine through, but first we must remove the clouds!

[@vineetnihalani]

Can you please share the link of full talk

[@souvikkarmakar6925]

I think when you include EFFORT, this is NOT meditation

[@wesgb226]

This man is such a g

[@sanjivilakshman4706]

Thanks!

[@antarshakti3093]

The conscious effort is needed in the beginning for a beginner. Without conscious effort nobody can start the process of meditation. Once a certain level is achieved only then it will become spontaneous. Just like an aeroplane a rocket or a bird taking off with effort then flying without effort.

[@lightlore4434]

Life

[@JSTNtheWZRD]

Oh, I like seeing him interact with others. It's the first time I've seen it. It doesn't count with Watts or any of those kind of people, with them it's just a pissing contest, as they are set in concrete - but a real person speaking with Krishnamurti is very neat. I say this because he's the most regular sort of person I have seen in a while intellectually - in that realm it tends to get a bit egotistical - and people like Watts never understood that reserved personality Krishnamurti has. It takes a normal sort of person to make contact with a normal sort of person. College isn't necessary, or the initiated - simply a person who has learned to be humble and knows everything is conceptual. People without an agenda and that have some manners

[@stf8375]

Merci !

[@empty-me]

Thanks!