Medjugorje - Hoax or Real? Questions & Objections.

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Common Questions & Objections Concerning Medjugorje with Fr. Leon Pereira
• Common Questions & Obj...

[@frankobrien899]

Do not refer to the Eucharist as 'it' Refer to the Eucharist as ' Him '

[@thomasmccafferty8203]

I’ve been to Medjugorje many times. I was talked into it by a friend who knew he had limited time left to live, so I joined the pilgrimage in a state of disbelief and a feeling of great anger because I had agreed to go. Within a day of getting there I was overcome with an unrelenting desire to go to confession, something I had not done for years. I became engrossed in the beautiful services and went to confession, and found my love for Jesus my saviour. Is it false or is it for real, I don’t care for opinions, I believe Our Lady is there and I brought my own faith home. 🙏

[@hawthorne1504]

It’s puzzling. I don’t believe in the apparitions in Medj. I’m an old grouch. I think the goal is to crush the faith of those who believe when it comes to light that it’s not genuine, and the other aim maybe to draw attention away from Fatima. But I know many thousands of people who have visited there are deeply faithful and sincere.

[@carmenmariacortesmarin2664]

Very happy for you. It's a blessing.

[@rosezingleman5007]

It’s been called a demonic plan for devout believers.​@@carmenmariacortesmarin2664

[@carmenmariacortesmarin2664]

@@rosezingleman5007 so sorry you feel that way.

[@ivanbrajkovic3513]

@@carmenmariacortesmarin2664 No its simply because of money ,this village was so poor ,and now .....

[@carolynkimberly4021]

Inane messages over and over again over all these years while Fatima lasted a few weeks? Don't believe it.

[@tomsvideos68]

Can you give an example of an "insane" message

[@MikeyJMJ]

Some might say Fatima lasted 80+ years if you start from Our Lady's first apparition and her last apparition to St. Lucia

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@tomsvideos68 Inane not insane. If you try reading the collections of messages they’re nonsensical, adolescent, trivial, snarky, littered with half-truths and fabrications.

[@ivanbrajkovic3513]

Seers after first couple apparitions are asked from local people to ask Marry for how long she will stay with us , Seers did that and they told to people that she is going to come only three times more. And obviously that was another lie ,she is still there ,or never been there . What are th odds that Holly Marry lies so much

[@MikeyJMJ]

I was first brought to Medjugorje when I was 4 in 2003. My mother was searching for peace after my dad died a year prior. She brought me and my older sister along. That was the start of my love for Medjugorje. I'm personally on the fence regarding the seers and the apparitions but I'm able to separate that from the place itself, which does have this heavenly peace

[@SmithsnMoz]

Follow the money..💰 . ITS THAT SIMPLE!!

[@paulinewoods375]

Same here

[@stpatrick614]

The Franciscans in Medjugore disobeyed the Bishop when he told them after intensive interviews of the seers that it's not valid. They went ahead and decided that it is happening and even the Bishop was kidnapped because of his stance. Crazy stuff.

[@joseph_mta5840]

not true

[@marytierney794]

It's all in the video Visions on Demand The Medjugorje Deception. The whole thing is based on lies.

[@stpatrick614]

@@joseph_mta5840 All true. Stop lying

[@rosezingleman5007]

It is true. The disobedience predates the seers by hundreds of years. The Franciscans set themselves in opposition to the bishops long before the so-called apparitions. Most westerners have no idea of the weird history there. You know there is another Marian shrine not 30 miles from Medjugorje that predates Medj? Yeah, the Franciscans hated it being there. There’s weird centuries-old blood feuds too. It got worse after Medjugorje visions. There are priests who used to be proponents of the visions who have left the “game” so to speak because they felt there was something demonic there. I was told by a priest who credited his vocation to Medj that it’s common for confessions to be heard by priests who don’t have ANY FACULTIES at all. So people who think they’ve confessed and think they’ve had their sins absolved actually have not. This is very serious. Do you think Fr. Ripperger, Taylor Marshall, Timothy Gordon, Patrick Madrid, Patrick Coffin, etc etc, are all wrong because you feel warm and fuzzy when you go there?

[@marytierney794]

Visions on Demand. The Medjugorje Conspiracy (not deception).

[@aloyalcatholic5785]

Thank you for your commentary. I know I come out as a bit defensive of the SSPX, but I do take your points about Unity. We need unity in the church and also to not have truth and beauty sacrificed. We cannot abandon the church and we don't need to abandon tradition. This might not be easy, especially in the current circumstances. but we can't and should never abandon our Church.

[@thecatholicman]

I love the SSPX communities.

[@ChristinaDaniella]

I thought I found traditional, reasonable catholic in you, but your last few movies prove I was wrong.

[@MikeyJMJ]

I don't see anything wrong with his last few videos. You can disagree with someone without severing ties. I think your comment is grossly unfair.

[@ChristinaDaniella]

@@MikeyJMJ my intention wasn't to offend anyone. Medjugorie apparitions are not approved officially by the Church. Local bishops refused to state they are true. Traditional catholics I listen to say consenateously it is a hoax. Their many arguments are convincing to me. The last Robert's videos took me from tradition to modernism on this channel, what I didn't expect. That's all.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@marym.338 That’s not like what’s going on here. Bernadette was in a convent. She expected suffering. You cannot claim that these people are “suffering.” They’ve made out like mafia gangsters. They’re grifters and con men. Mother Angelica had to sever ties with them almost immediately because they wanted money through EWTN. One of the “seers” married a Massachusetts beauty queen and quit the con game.

[@felesamabilis]

Medjugorie fails at least through 6 conditions in catholic canonical prozess for private apparition, while it would be enough to fail once to be condemmed

[@rosezingleman5007]

Yes. The messages contradict each other and also Catholic doctrine. The Church has always taught that anything contrary to doctrine is anathema. It astonishes me that supposedly devout Catholics are in love with something built on lies. They should recognize the danger.

[@felesamabilis]

@@rosezingleman5007 I'm surprised too

[@felesamabilis]

@@rosezingleman5007 that's actually the proof how deep modernism destroyed our Faith. Most people just FELT something there and thats enough for them...

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@felesamabilis Emotionalism is heretical. The Charismatic Movement is closely tied to the Pentecostal movement. My grandfather was a Pentecostal preacher and when Medjugorje began my mom got very excited about it, but soon the accounts showed the flaws and contradictions. Crisis Magazine followed it very closely at the time and it was pretty shocking. Now there’s confirmation bias at work and people drift into it and just accept that the conflicts are somehow political. St. John of the Cross said that Satan loves when the devout run after private revelation. A priest friend of mine said it’s a demonic plan for believers who seek novelty. Novelty is another sickness of our age. That the seers can “laugh and chat” with the BVM *on demand* is ridiculous.

[@felesamabilis]

@@rosezingleman5007 yes, that's really scary. And it's especially scary to see that so many people, who even go to the TLM actually do the same error. They say they avoid modernist priests and at the same time they do exactly the same modernist crap - they trust their "feelings" and "experieces" more than the objective facts, logical conclusion... That's just another emotionalist chanel

[@marianlindsay1737]

Knock is sufficient for me, both a Marian and a Eucharistic shrine.

[@thecatholicman]

Medjugorje it seems has far far more adoration than knock.

[@marywoolley3329]

@@thecatholicman Because it is a Eucharistic as well as a Marian shrine, Adoration should be at the very heart of Knock. I can't understand why this hasn't been developed over the years.

[@felesamabilis]

well, the comments of the Medju-fans here should have actually made you sceptical. Nobody writes about the objective criteria, only about their "experiences" when they went there. I hoped you would adress the heresies and contradictions in the apparitions in this video, but after 10 minutes hearing only about your feelings I gave up :D Sorry. it's really scary to see that so many people, who even go to the TLM actually do the same error. You say you avoid modernist priests and at the same time you do exactly the same modernist crap - they trust your "feelings" and "experieces" more than the objective facts, logical conclusions, the canonical process prescribed by the Holy Mother Church for private apparitions... I'm realy disappointed by this channel. I'll pray for you.

[@sheilanorth1993]

I get too many anxious feelings about medugoria..I'm steering clear of it.

[@nightshift4587]

Same here, but I tend to let my unintentionally motivated emotions rule my brain. I wont touch the Eucharist because Im obsessed with the notion that I could never be good enough to receive our lord and I feel that a long stint in Purgatory would suit me better as I cant imagine myself being as pure as our Lord and Lady in this life. It would take eternity for me to be worthy of heaven.

[@mariepaukowits1709]

Same here. I just don’t believe in it. But all the others yes

[@mtaylor3771]

Something may be happening there, but it isn’t from god. One of the false messages is, “all religion is pleasing to God.” Really? Even Islam, which denies the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ? That’s not pleasing to God and it contradicts scripture.

[@marytierney794]

The Fatima Center has a video on this called "What about Medjugorje" and they discuss this topic. If Islam denies the Trinity, and Catholicism doesn't, then one of them is wrong. Which is it?

[@mtaylor3771]

@@marytierney794 Islam is wrong. There is no doubt about it. And Medjugorje is not from God. Clearly, ALL religion is not pleasing to God. All religion is pleasing to the Vatican II Sect, but not to GOD.

[@liamstewart2094]

Glad to hear your going to medjugorie Robert,, we are going on the 14th August for 2 wks actually for our honeymoon, father leon very close friend of ours be mine 29th time there think that says alot for its self...I really enjoy your channel keep up the good work....godbless liam claire....

[@thecatholicman]

Many Catholics love the place

[@felesamabilis]

@@thecatholicman well, the comments of the Medju-fans here should have actually made you sceptical. Nobody writes about the objective criteria, only about their "experiences" when they went there. I hoped you would adress the heresies and contradictions in the apparitions in this video, but after 10 minutes hearing only about your feelings I gave up :D Sorry. it's really scary to see that so many people, who even go to the TLM actually do the same error. You say you avoid modernist priests and at the same time you do exactly the same modernist crap - they trust your "feelings" and "experieces" more than the objective facts, logical conclusions, the canonical process prescribed by the Holy Mother Church for private apparitions... I'm realy disappointed by this channel. I'll pray for you.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@felesamabilis It’s very very disappointing. “Feelgoodism” is the sickness of our age. I wouldn’t want to have to answer for it at my personal judgement. The Church teaches us that it is better to reject a sign that the Church actually approves than to risk accepting a false one. St. John of the Cross wrote that the devil delights in the devout running after private revelations.

[@felesamabilis]

@@rosezingleman5007 How irrelevant our feelings are in such matters, let me tell you on my own example related to another Marian shrine. of recognized apparitions - Fatima. I spent 3/4 of my life in the shadow of the so-called Silesian Fatima. We were there for the patron festival at least once a year, mostly for the biggest in Maz, not counting various other occasions, Therefore the topic of the apparitions in Fatima was known to me from the cradle and is very close to me ever since Therefore, on the occasion of my pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, it was obvious that since I am so close, I absolutely must go to Fatima. And? And it was one of the biggest disappointments in my life. First impression - some kind of bunker covers the square in front of the basilica, fortunately this "church" was not open then yet. Right behind it is the chapel of adoration and confession in the style of subway toilets. Further there is a black wall from which fire and smoke erupts, and people are throwing wax body parts there. I thought it was an illustration of the vision of hell from the July apparition ;) Even the old basilica in dirty white with an undefined image in the altar made a rather negative impression on me, although better than what was before her. But in the next moment the security man mocked me about my hat and did not tolerate the discussion, I had to take my hat off. How absurd. If I were to rely on my experiences, I would have to admit that there was no Mother of God in Fatima: D Well ok, I was a bit moved, at the evening candlelight procession. Evening, candles, singing are obvious elements influencing emotions. But that's not even that. I was touched because at that moment I felt like a child in processions in our local Fatima shrine. So when I read: if you want to speak about Medjugorje, you have to go there and experience it, I just want to laugh. If I based on my experiences at Fatima, I would have to consider it a fake.

[@user-kg7lr2mf1g]

Ourlady would not come down from heaven to repeat her self over and over. When our lady came to fatima . It was to warn humanity.

[@r.e.gamache7175]

I learned quite a bit about Medjugorje from this video - thank you!

[@thecatholicman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hawthorne1504]

The angel at Fatima said penance, penance, penance!

[@maureenoleary1835]

I was never drawn to Medjugorje for some reason.

[@thecatholicman]

Neither was I until last week

[@T_frog1]

It's a hoax

[@catholicfaithchannelamen]

Real as this earth is. Not a hoax at all

[@stevedoetsch]

I'm sorry, but the people who do not accept it have gone there and investigated, and the Church has investigated and the apparition still remains unapproved. It's clearly not the Virgin Mary because it speaks heresy and manifests demonic characteristics. "All religions are equal before God " is a heresy it taught as reported in many sources including the article "The Facts of Medjugorje" on the website "The Catholic Counter-Reformation". Of particular note is the section "VULGARITIES, DISTURBING QUIRKS" which describe many unwholesome behaviors in the apparition from it's shaking hands, spontaneous giggling, a black butterfly that accompanies it, it's desire to be touched and kissed, and it's lack of feet.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@marym.338 I don’t yet know what it’s like to be in a cult and have no desire for firsthand knowledge of cultism.

[@T_frog1]

Why did Vicka tell a blasphemous lie about Mary dropping the baby Jesus?

[@mzhavisham6738]

I hope you are going to talk positively about Medjugorje I have been there many times and is where I suddenly got a reversion of my Catholic faith in which I had failed miserably to hold unto. This was almost twenty years ago and my Catholic faith continues to grow all thanks to that trip to Medjugorje and our Most Holy Mother.

[@thecatholicman]

I have put together the talks fr Leon did on the objections. I have nothing negative to say.

[@felesamabilis]

You can't speak positively aß Catholic about false apparitions condemed by the Holy Mother Church

[@hawthorne1504]

Hi, you are a friend from Roy Schoeman’s channel!

[@1Hope4All]

@mzhavisham Medjugorje is not approved by the Church! Open your eyes!!!

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Fr Leon speaks sense. It is not for us to condemn what Mother Church has not condemned. It is not for us to declare it authentic either. What each one of us should seek are opportunities for encounters with Christ in our everyday lives. For some of us this might include that encounter by a pilgrimage to this site, in a spirit of encounter. If that revives something within our faith then it is a positive thing. It is too easy to be dismissive but also there is a danger of misinterpreting what was reportedly said. This is one area where I do not entirely agree with Fr Leon. Interpretation cannot be individual but must be guided by authoritative teaching or else each of us risks misguiding others. Individual spiritual encounter though is what I think he was getting at and any call to Christ has to be a good thing.

[@paulinewoods375]

One thing that did happen to me after one of my trips just as I was thinking of returning to the Church. I couldn't sleep one night so got up made a cup if decaf coffee and took it up to bed. I had been praying to our Lord and our Lady and saud - if there is something here ( Medjugorje) give me some sort of sign that its okay , that I'm not doing something wrong. The next morning as I lifted the cup to take it downstairs, I glanced into the cup to make sure it was empty . I dropped the cup onto my bed and to be honest I did swear as I was a bit shocked. Looked again inside the cup, used a tissue to dry up a tiny bit of liquid that was there and then I seen it. There was at the bottom of the cup what looked like Our Lady in the grotto. I showed the cup to at least 10 people and asked them did they see anything ( without saying what I had seen) and 9 out of the 10, said the same thing as me. I kept the cup unwashed for a few years until I took it down one time to show a workman that was working in my house , afterwards set it on my work surface in the kitchen and then accidentally washed it. I could have cried.

[@rosezingleman5007]

St. John of the Cross said the devil delights when believers run after private revelations.

[@ivanbrajkovic3513]

You saw what you want to see ,same happens with every second guy who goes there ,you will always see some wierd cloud ,or something else ,you never see that at your hometown because you are not looking for it.

[@pierresangeorg2286]

As I wrote last week, two comments, but they got erased? I recommend seeing fr.Michael Lightner testimony on Queen of Peace Media. The fruits, conversions, vocations, healings... outweigh bad exceptions by an enormous measure.

[@felesamabilis]

No the don't. There are precise criteria when an apparition can come from God. And heresy disqualifies all "fruits"

[@SmithsnMoz]

Follow the money...💰 IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE! 🙏

[@marytierney794]

The largest Catholic Tour Operator in the United States resided in Huntington, California. The Queen of Peace Ministry was run by Peter K Miller. The Queen of Peace Ministry offered a holiday in Medjugorje starting from 955 dollars up to 2565 dollars. In addition, Peter Miller offered, for an extra 500 dollars, a private meeting with the alleged visionary Ivan, who would introduce you to Our Lady! The colourful brochure promotes the alleged signs and wonders of Medjugorje - spinning suns and Rosary beads that turn to gold. The brochure also includes statements which are alleged to be direct quotes from Pope John Paul 2, endorsing Medjugorje. In February of 1995, The Los Angeles Times reported on a civil case in the Los Angeles County Court. Peter K Miller, as the owner of The Queen of Peace Ministry, was cautioned in Court for placing religious pictures on stationery and other promotional materials, leaving the consumers with the impression that his tours were under the auspices of the Catholic Church. Miller was further accused of violating certain provisions of the Business and Professions Code relating to travel promotions and was ordered by the Court to display a statement on his materials that his Business was not an official representative of the Catholic Church. A Los Angeles Judge froze the assets of The Queen of Peace Ministry 2 years later, auditors finding that 1.4 million dollars had mysteriously vanished from the Company's accounts, the balance of just 16,000 dollars remaining. Peter K Miller received 200,000 dollars in payments from The Queen of Peace Ministry between January 1996 and January 1997. Miller has since fled the United States amid a federal investigation into his affairs and is now believed to be hiding in England. It is alleged that Miller owns property in Medjugorje which he still rents out to unsuspecting pilgrims and he's been defended in his actions by Tour Operators in Medjugorje. His actions, including conning his customers out of their money an even, on occasion, leaving them stranded in foreign countries. Taken from Visions on Demand, The Medjugorje Deception.

[@rosezingleman5007]

Yes. The entire setup is rife with corruption. The “seers” are cons. Donal Anthony Foley is very fair and charitable in his latest book, “Medjugorje Complete: The Definitive Account of the Visions and Visionaries.” In my opinion he’s actually too generous. Foley is an acknowledged expert on Marian apparitions and has written many books on Fatima, Lourdes, and other approved and non-approved apparitions. Is your soul worth reading a book or are your emotions too entranced?

[@SmithsnMoz]

What a SCANDAL it is if these people are being taken advantage of??...LORD HAVE MERCY... Its been going on for over 40yrs now...🙏

[@goodattitude7542]

I was there in August of 2000. I totally believe but will wait for approval from the Church. It has not been disapproved. I believe in the future that it will be approved. Too many good fruits.

[@stopvoris8635]

I took gold rosaries to Medjugorje and they turned to plastic.

[@TheXone7]

I love your accent, it's luvly🤗🕊️✝️

[@ginasalis5880]

You are spot on 🙏💗🙏

[@doloresnolan5949]

No your not getting it wrong .Love your enthusiasm ,inspiring. Years ago an elderly lady was waiting at the gate of the church as I walked out she approached me saying I could listen to you all when you do the readings.She said she comes to the parish every two weeks to sleep overnight with her daughter and the other week in her other daughter.She said I really felt God was talking to me as you read I dont remember the reading but what I said well if that's what you felt its God word so he was talking straight to you. Listening g to you reminder me of this I'm into my 80 now and sti reading at mass .

[@mojophe1617]

The Body of our Lord Jesus Christ preserve thy soul unto life everlasting. Amen

[@thecatholicman]

Thanks !

[@carolynkimberly4021]

Why have none of these "seers" become religious?

[@anguslean4058]

Because they lack virtue and enjoy living their wealthy life style. The locals call where the visionaries live MILLIONAIRE ROW.

[@germ7930]

They are very religious

[@germ7930]

@@anguslean4058 that's a lie.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

@@anguslean4058 Exactly

[@germ7930]

You 2 are not Catholic's, you don't fool me.

[@wilfredfranco4159]

Someone is asking to make a positive comment. Strange. If this is the origin from God, nothing will affect it. Negative or positive. God will always win

[@paulinewoods375]

One doesnt need to believe in the apparitions or the visionaries to enjoy Medjugorje. I treat it as a spiritual week, to switch off from my daily routine, pray, confession, Holy Mass and the wonderful Adoration 🙏🙏🙏

[@rosezingleman5007]

So…you give others the impression that you do believe what’s going on there, by your very presence. That’s sinful.

[@paulinewoods375]

@@rosezingleman5007 thats up to them , everyone that I am friendly with ir close to know what my views are re Medjugorje. I am quite open about that. I know what I believe and I pray about it regularly so I am not concerned what someone else decides to think of my choice to go there. I am taking a spiritual week to concentrate on praying to God without distractions.

[@user-kg7lr2mf1g]

Ask our lady about madj

[@1Hope4All]

Medjugorje is not approved by the Church.

[@MikeyJMJ]

We know

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@marym.338 It never will be. It violates basic principles.

[@MikeyJMJ]

@@rosezingleman5007 Care to give examples

[@brendanquinn6894]

I believe it totally. The amount of independent evidence that supports it is true is overwhelming.

[@LambofGodKnock]

A good pilgrimage to Knock is as good

[@thecatholicman]

I’ve always said that, but I’ll let you know how things go in Medjugorje. Knock does not have the adoration focus that medjugorje seems to have

[@hawthorne1504]

Looked into Knock a bit. (Actually visited there as a youngster, but was clueless even more than I am now). Anyway, very skeptical of Knock. Magic Lantern, curtesy of the priest who never came out?

[@LambofGodKnock]

@Hold Fast it time for us the church to bring it back.

[@tommercury3349]

@@LambofGodKnock please come to knock on Monday 15th pro vita

[@LambofGodKnock]

@@tommercury3349 I'd love to but I'm not in Ireland at the moment.

[@inarticulus7687]

May the body and blood of the lord Jesus Christ preserve your soul to lifeceverlasting

[@fredphilippi8388]

We will never know. It will never matter.

[@mr.riddlemaster]

I used to believe in Medjugorje but I have many doubts now. The original messages seem quite unique and special but over the years they have become quite bland. You would think that if Our Lady is appearing there on a daily basis she would give more interesting and relevant messages. The other problem I have is the secrets. In the first 20 years of Medjugorje, Our Lady delivered 57 secrets to the Visionaries. Now, She only has to deliver the last secret to 3 of the visionaries but hasn't done so in the last 20 years. This gives me great doubts about the reality of Medjugorje.

[@thecatholicman]

I don’t know anything about the secrets or visions. But going to pray with other Catholics together isn’t bad.

[@michaelkane2399]

Wow so wisdom their, the ideas u have in ur post are so do not make a one bit of sence,is tat ur best u can come up with ti disaprove medugurge, really, ur about as wise as a cat,seriously!!!

[@mr.riddlemaster]

@@michaelkane2399 😁😘 My cat is a mathematican.

[@michaelkane2399]

@@mr.riddlemaster 😂😂😂👍😸

[@ivanbrajkovic3513]

@@michaelkane2399 i can do better ,there was a priest Vego and he had affair with the nun , and bishop asked 13 times seers what they know about that , seers even asked Holly Marry about this 13 times and all 13 times seers gave negative answer to the bishop ,nothing is happening between them . Do you know where they are now ,they are married with children somewhere nere medjugorje because soon after all this happened people found out about it and they decided to leave Catholic church and get married . Father Vlasic who was one of the priest in charge when apparitions happened he was expelled from his job for same thing ,he had a child with the nun ,and i think it wasn t consensual ,nun was writing letters to the bishops to help her with this devil.

[@hawthorne1504]

About saying amen… I think it’s good because the person must verbally agree this is the body of Christ

[@thecatholicman]

But for hundreds of years the priest said the amen.

[@hawthorne1504]

@@thecatholicman Do you mean the priest would hold up the host in front of the person and say “The Body of Christ” and then he would also say “Amen”?

[@stevedoetsch]

Once I saw that the apparition at Medjugorje said that all religions are paths to God then I knew it was wrong. If an apparition teaches heresy then it's false. It's really that simple.

[@thecatholicman]

She didn’t say that all religions are paths of God

[@stevedoetsch]

My above comment is a paraphrase of the heresy from the apparition that "All religions are equal before God ". A quick internet search confirms the heretical statement, and I'm sure you can easily find other sources that you prefer rather than these I will provide below. I have provided titles and names because youtube deletes my comments with links. The heresy is reported in minute 1:45 on the KZbin Channel "Sensus Fidelium" in the video "Our Lady of Medjugorje Protects the Head of the Serpent" The article "The Facts of Medjugorje" on the website "The Catholic Counter-Reformation" reports the heresy as well. Of particular note is the section "VULGARITIES, DISTURBING QUIRKS" which describe many unwholesome behaviors in the apparition from it's shaking hands, spontaneous giggling, a black butterfly that accompanies it, it's desire to be touched and kissed, and it's lack of feet which are shown in approved apparitions of the Virgin Mary. "The words of the Apparition of Medjugorje teem with ambiguities, errors and marked heresies...The substance of the offence was the answer given by the Gospa to a written question handed to the seers on October 1, 1981: “Are all religions good?” - “ All religions are equal before God ”. If this reply attributed to all religions the same truth or the same value [which is indeed its obvious and incontestable meaning, confirmed by the context of ten or fifteen similar answers of the Apparition, and no answer has yet corrected or attenuated this patent heresy!] the Apparition would be disqualified in accordance with saint Paul’s criterion: “Even if an angel from Heaven were to announce another Gospel to you, let him be anathema” (Ga 1:8): it could not be an angel of God. ...What is more, it is claimed that She appears every evening, and since 1981 has had more than two thousand opportunities to make the necessary correction. No correction, however, has ever been made!"

[@irish-catholic]

@@thecatholicman God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@irish-catholic No. This is false. God rules all peoples but some religions are false. This is scriptural truth. “The gods of the gentiles are demons.”

[@irish-catholic]

@@rosezingleman5007 Every person must be respected, despite his or her particular profession of faith. It is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and (the Jews) and the Orthodox, for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son, (Jesus), and me. You are all my children. Mary stated this at Medjugorje which is indeed false as the children of God are those whose Faith is in Christ.

[@lonelysatellite1551]

I'm inclined to believe a person I know that encountered real miracles at Medjugorje. I am not sure about the apparitions but I don't think the Lord would turn anyone away that seeks Him wherever they make a pilgrimage. I'm blessed to have been to Knock. I'd love to go to Lourdes or Fatima. I'm actually even curious about Medjugorje though again I reserve judgment on the apparitions. I'm interested in the place as a place of prayer. Admittedly I am interested in sampling some wines in the country, too :)

[@kevinmctegan5019]

Medjugorje has been condemned by every bishop from the Diocese of Mostar. The ‘seers’ have been disobedient many times to the local authorities. Disobedience is a fruit of the devil. Whilst their may be some good fruits coming from medjugorje as a result of prayer we cannot say our lady has every appeared there. The alleged ‘seers’ are dangerous deluded individuals who are deceiving many people and we cannot promote something like this.

[@anguslean4058]

Very true It’s a Demonic Hoax Did you know that a pilgrim was molested in the house of one of the visionaries ? Did you know that the Priest who claimed to be in charge at the beginning Was defrocked for impregnating a Nun They now have three children and His book is still sold in Medjugorje Viscka said of this Priest when he was accused That Our Lady said no less then six time That the Priest was innocent of all charges and the Bishop better Change his mind or he will suffer the wrath of me ( Our Lady ) and My Son ( Jesus ) This Priest while he was suspended from offering the sacraments And Mass continued to say Mass Hear Confessions and deliver sacraments. Our Lady has nothing to do with this disgusting hoax. They ( Visionaries ) were completely disobedient to the local Bishop Who had full authority. Every Bishop with the exception of one in Croatia Has condemned the apparitions as unworthy of belief. They All Got Rich Off These Fake Apparitions.

[@germ7930]

Not true, you listen to lies, shame on you.

[@germ7930]

The Catholic faith is the one true faith, there is no salvation outside of it.

[@timfronimos459]

@@germ7930 Read The Medjugorje Deception by E Michael Jones.

[@marzena3396815]

@@germ7930 i heard Father Rippoger, a Traditional priest and the exorcist say this actually. I heard him say that the local Bishop, who is given the Authority to approve or disapprove the apparition DISSAPROVED IT 3 TIMES. I don't think you want to say a Theologian, Exorcist and a Traditional Catholic priest would lie about this, especially that it was recorded.... So no, the disobedience to the local Authority is NOT A LIE....

[@chicagotom1643]

My mom went there along with my aunt and cousin. I remember we had a house full of jesus& mary statues , but there was never any peace. I felt abandoned by god since a very young age and none of that garbage helped. Anywho, i remember her coming back and things between my mom and i got worse and in time my family quit talking to me because i threw my hands up and swore off the burden of any kind of faith. After crying out to god all i got from it was bad car accidents, job losses and a divorce, so what do ya do?

[@Dienekes678]

Get confession. Say the Rosary sincerely every day and ask for help.

[@CatholicTalkVideos]

Oh for goodness sake, I was going to put together Fr Leon's answers to Medjugorje objections into one video on my channel. You stole my idea 😑

[@joseph_mta5840]

I remember reading that the original transcripts were translated horribly and contributed to a lot of errors and falsehoods. Later on Fr. James Mulligan translated the interviews and messages from the original Croation into english but sadly the 2 or 3 negative books still retain the old translations.

[@rosezingleman5007]

That’s not true. The bishop’s account has been published in multiple languages. They’re consistent. Do you think Our Lady and Her Son cannot protect against *mistranslation*? We don’t have these problems with even the TLM vs Novus Ordo. But somehow it’s mistranslation here?

[@BCSTS]

As far as I know....the church cannot fully 'approve' an apparition site until the apparitions have ceased.

[@rosezingleman5007]

That’s not true. But you can’t run a global scam unless the “visions” continue. It’s built on emotionalism which is a HERESY because it fosters disobedience and disorders.

[@rosezingleman5007]

It was up to the bishop to approve. He did not believe there was anything supernatural there. That should’ve been the end of it. You know (of course you don’t) that the original messages were “edited” by the Franciscans because they were inconsistent with Catholic doctrine. This was one of the reasons it was rejected. Our Lady would never do anything or say something contrary to Truth as taught by the Church and tradition. But the Hallmark Cards Gospa does and lies besides.

[@aineoscanaill2377]

From Medjugorje to Garabandal, all recent apparitions have been suppressed by the ape of the church. I’m not commenting on whether they are authentic or not, I’m a nobody but I think everything needs to be seen in this context. For pity’s sake, even the third secret of Fatima has been suppressed!!

[@thecatholicman]

Ah no, impossible for the Church to approve Medjugorje at the moment, I'm not at all concerned they haven't approved them. In time the truth will come out.

[@SmithsnMoz]

I believe GARABANDAL has a lot more merit. IMO

[@lusotuber]

@@SmithsnMoz Garabandal doesn't contradict doctrine or canon, and not only it had tacit approval from at least two popes, but had Padre Pio himself confirm the veracity of Our Lady apparitions. The opposite is true with Medjugorje.

[@SmithsnMoz]

@@lusotuber ... Yes. I do have more respect for GARABANDAL visionaries as well . 🙏

[@KMF3]

I thought the church had already decided that there was nothing Supernatural going on

[@thecatholicman]

Rome hasn’t given and final verdict yet

[@KMF3]

@@thecatholicman I thought the bishop had. It is my understanding that it is the bishops call not the Vatican

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@KMF3 It is the bishop’s duty but since the operatives in Medjugorje kidnapped and threatened the last bishop, pulling off his pectoral cross (even hitting a bishop gets you excommunicated) the bishop asked to hand it over to Rome where it can sit on a desk until the seers go off to their personal judgment. Like the McCarrick case being sent to Rome.

[@marytierney794]

At the time of the apparitions, the Bishop of Mostar, Bishop Zanic, formed a Commission to investigate them. A total of 15 members, including theologians and psychiatrists, concluded that there was no evidence, whatsoever, of Supernatural phenomena at Medjugorje. Bishop Zanic stated that the so called visions are the fruit of fabrication, fraud and disobedience to the Church. He accused the Franciscans of hurrying forward before the Church's judgement. In May 1985 The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith sent to the Italian Bishops Conference, a letter asking Bishops to make efforts to reduce organised pilgrimages from Italy to Medjugorje. However, despite all of this, a multitude of promoters of Medjugorje ignored the Authority of the Catholic Church, along with the thousands of pilgrims who converge on Medjugorje each year, although many pilgrims are not aware of this. Taken from Visions on Demand The Medjugorje Deception.

[@KMF3]

@@rosezingleman5007 wow

[@hawthorne1504]

I wrote a comment about Knock but I don’t know what happened to it. Knock does concern me a bit… I went there as a youngster actually but it was just visiting with older folks and I didn’t understand anything about it… but recently I looked into it a bit more and am concerned that the parish priest, who did not emerge from the rectory when the vision happened, was using a magic lantern to project the image onto the wall. The seers even saw flecks in the streams of light like you would see with a movie projector. It happened at night.

[@MikeyJMJ]

What's a magic lantern? They didn't even have that technology in the 1970s let alone the 1870s in a rural village in one of the poorest parts of Ireland

[@hawthorne1504]

@@MikeyJMJ The magic Lantern was an early movie projector type of thing that could project pictures onto walls. Yes they were very poor, but I’m wondering if the priest or someone didn’t get ahold of one, and the state of dire poverty of the parishioners might explain why they believed it was a miracle. They knocked on the rectory door trying to get the priest to come out. I think the housekeeper answered or something but he never emerged. The image was on a wall at night. I’m sorry, I’m just worried about it.

[@SaintOsburh]

If the the apparition took place in August starting at around 7pm, would that not be to light for a magic lantern to work? I don't think the parishioners would be that stupid either, they would be able to tell a projection.

[@hawthorne1504]

@@SaintOsburh yes I thought about that too but pretty sure at the time the apparition appeared it was dark. I can imagine being fooled, these people had nothing at all.

[@SaintOsburh]

@@hawthorne1504 Look at antique magic lantern demonstrations. These lanterns are still around today.

[@ruby07241]

Considering who the spiritual leader of the seers were fills me with doubt.

[@felesamabilis]

How irrelevant our feelings are in such matters, let me tell you on my own example related to another Marian shrine (related to recognized apparitions!) - Fatima. I spent 3/4 of my life in the shadow of the so-called Silesian Fatima. We were there for the patron festival at least once a year, mostly for the biggest in May, not counting various other occasions, Therefore the topic of the apparitions in Fatima was known to me from the cradle and is very close to me ever since Therefore, on the occasion of my pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, it was obvious that since I am so close, I absolutely must go to Fatima. And? And it was one of the biggest disappointments in my life. First impression - some kind of bunker covers the square in front of the basilica, fortunately this "church" was not open then yet. Right behind it is the chapel of adoration and confession in the style of subway toilets. Further there is a black wall from which fire and smoke erupts, and people are throwing wax body parts there. I thought it was an illustration of the vision of hell from the July apparition ;) Even the old basilica in dirty white with an undefined image in the altar made a rather negative impression on me, although better than what was before her. But in the next moment the security man mocked me about my hat and did not tolerate the discussion, I had to take my hat off. How absurd. If I were to rely on my experiences, I would have to admit that there was no Mother of God in Fatima: D Well ok, I was a bit moved, at the evening candlelight procession. Evening, candles, singing are obvious elements influencing emotions. But that's not even that. I was touched because at that moment I felt like a child in processions in our local Fatima shrine. So when I read: if you want to speak about Medjugorje, you have to go there and experience it, I just want to laugh. If I based on my experiences at Fatima, I would have to consider it a fake.

[@marytierney794]

solopostvideo visions on demand the Medjugorje deception

[@marytierney794]

Visions on Demand. The Medjugorje Conspiracy (not deception).

[@MA-vz2mu]

Sadly (and shamefully), I'm always asking Jesus for "proof" of His presence in my home, in my prayers, my life, etc. I always tell Him, if I could just SEE Him, my faith would be stronger. Very recently He answered my request. I could clearly hear Him tell me that on earth, we cannot see Him with our eyes, we see Him with our hearts.... Also, I notice at the 'new Mass', when most of the people bow before receiving the Sacred Host, they're not bowing before the Sacred Species, they're bowing to the back of the person they're standing behind on the line...🤔

[@BCSTS]

Our Lord has said to many saints......that their great sacrifices & prayer hold back His anger...or punishments to people who deserve his wrath....so why not Mary? Is her intercession less than that of other saints??

[@rosezingleman5007]

The hallmark of the approved Marian apparitions is their brevity. If you read the supposed “messages” of Medjugorje they’re all contradictory, conversational, even heretical. The “visionaries” claim to be able to get Our Lady to joke with them and appear on demand. The Virgin tells bizarre stories about a bloody handkerchief and her being dressed in black. They say they’ve touched her garment and it’s cold like metal. Several priests have pointed out that the depictions of the Medj Virgin hide her feet-the Virgin always shows her feet because they crush the head of the serpent. I don’t know about such things but I do know that if it was from Heaven, God Himself would’ve brought about its acceptance by the bishops and Vatican because in the other apparitions the Virgin is anxious for the messages to be spread far and wide. Not so at Medjugorje because that’s bad for a business which depends on an ongoing DAILY show. The books are unreadable garbage full of claims of approval by everyone from Padre Pio and Mother Teresa to Fr. Amorth. And without a shred of evidence.

[@rosezingleman5007]

It’s also not a choice between “is it true” and “is it perhaps not true, but otherwise benign”. It’s between is it a LIE and therefore of the devil because poor people sell their homes and bankrupt their families to go there which is what my friend did, causing abandonment of children and divorce and suicide. It’s not just “people go there and feel good because everyone prays and goes to confession” as if it’s a kind of Catholic Las Vegas.

[@monikapawlik]

I am sorry, I cannot subscribe to anyone thinking Medjourgie is not fake.

[@user-kg7lr2mf1g]

I would ask ourlady about Madj.

[@JohnCampbell5650]

I beg to differ... the Church CAN see all the great Catholics in SSPX and HAS gone out of its way to welcome them back! Do not let your hearts be stubborn! What is the Church to do? Is it to say ‘alright lads, you were right and we’ve been wrong; the Holy Spirit never turned up at Vatican II; thank you so much for pointing that out.’ Really?

[@thecatholicman]

Yes I understand

[@JohnCampbell5650]

Btw, I am with you on Medjugorje. I was blessed to be present for the Christmas period of 1989. This particular pilgrimage changed my life.

[@StTherese333]

Maybe it might be good to forget the claims of whatever at Medjugorje and “ just do” what we are told our Blessed Mother is asking from there? Daily Mass, Monthly Confession, Daily Rosary ( all Mysteries ) :), fasting on Wednesday and Friday, and daily reading of Holy Scripture. Forget all else and see what happens to you. Full disclosure- I have been 9 times.

[@T_frog1]

Our Blessed Mother has never appeared there. Vicka told a blasphemous lie about Mary dropping the baby Jesus.

[@JohnCampbell5650]

‘let the Church decide!’ ... it has decided already! Maybe those among the LM attendees who have a growing tendency to voice their own opinions about Vatican II would do well to embrace this, and when it comes to SSPX I would add ‘in obedience’ to the sentence. Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, together with the watchful care of the Magisterium. A NO attendee, faithful conservative Catholic.

[@susanstorey490]

The Vatican has said Catholics CAN visit Medugorje.

[@JohnCampbell5650]

@@susanstorey490 looks like you got the wrong end of the stick, Susan. My comment was about TLM / NO, not about Medjugorje.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@susanstorey490 Which is not the same as approval. The approval belonged to the bishop(s) and the Franciscans and seers didn’t like that and they engineered a kidnapping. I hope Robert digs into the “bloody handkerchief” story where Christ supposedly was about to destroy the earth. Anyone who reads these messages will see immediately that they are bullshite.

[@BCSTS]

The visionaries asked Mary if they should become priests & nuns......she basically said they should follow the path of their own choice....So actually they, through having families/children who can also experience the graces from Our Lady & Our Lord at Medjugorje.....would be even a greater blessing & better way to help convert people worldwide.....who also have families....they may more easily identify with the visionaries. Look at the lives they live, not whether they are 'religious nuns/priests'......

[@rosezingleman5007]

Nonsense. So they can show others what it’s like to drive a Mercedes.

[@marytierney794]

While Ivan preaches to pilgrims about fasting on bread and water, and living humbly, he does not practice what he preaches. His choice of transport in Medjugorje is certainly less than humble. Mother Angelica is the foundress of EWTN, based in Birmingham, Alabama. It has been confirmed to us by creditable sources that Mother Angelica cancelled a planned programme featuring Ivan, on the grounds of inconsistent material. There are now many pilgrimages in a number of countries devoted to the followers of the Medjugorje cult. One such regular engagement is the one which takes place every Summer at The Friary in Kent, England. In the Summer of 1996 Ivan attended. Yet in 1997 Ivan was politely asked by a Bishop in England not to attend the gathering in Kent during the Summer this year. This is not the first time a prophesy from Ivan's lips have proven fruitless. Ivan stated to The Investigation Commission the Madonna had told him that a sign would appear during the 6 months after Her appearance in Medjugorje. 16 years on, the world still awaits this sign. On another occasion Ivan quoted The Blessed Mother as stating that he would become a Priest. Yet, since then, he has been expelled from 2 Seminaries, the last one being Dubrovnik, due to poor grades. In 1994 Ivan married the former Miss Massachusetts, Lorine Murphy, whom he married in Boston. One is forced to wonder how the two communicate, since Ivan is apparently unable to address English speaking crowds without first using a translator. And on the day of his wedding, Ivan apparently witnessed an apparition of Our Lady, who now purportedly follows him around the world. Taken from Visions on Demand The Medjugorje Deception.

[@marytierney794]

Visions on Demand. The Medjugorje Conspiracy (not deception).

[@rosezingleman5007]

How fitting since one of the priests impregnated a nun and then scammed Americans into funding her place in Italy. Grifters galore at Medjugorje. “Do whatever you want” is a long way from “I cannot promise you happiness in this life.”

[@MW-he4cp]

Novus Ordo or TLM or Byzantine or Greek Catholic....the most important thing is reverence. If priests just made sure that the Mass was reverent, there wouldn't be much of a debate. Let's demand reverence and see what hat happens. If there's no good talent for music at your church, then laity can sing a hymn or avoid music, as we see with weekday Mass. Even if Novus Ordo did this, and added communion on the tongue, these would be 2 huge changes. It's not complicated . We can do better

[@pierresangeorg2286]

I attend NO mass since I have nowhere near Latin Mass and I receive kneeling and on the tounge. My parish priests have nothing against distributing that way. And we have two wooden altar railings i 3 meters from the altar which are used by faithful every mass. And I'm talking about Novus Ordo mass with organ music, reverent beautiful singing and Sweden. It depends very much on the priest, I'm very grateful for my young reverent swedish priest and older polish parish priest.

[@wilfredfranco4159]

I saved for 3 years to go there with my family, however those who work there travel to and fro 3 to 4 times a year across oceans. Sigh! The pilgrims will be blessed because they are seeking. It doesn't depend on the so called seers

[@rosezingleman5007]

You could seek at Fatima or Lourdes or in Rome where there was another vision which occurred in the 1980s which is also genuinely approved by mother church.

[@wilfredfranco4159]

@@rosezingleman5007 Yes, I fully believe in Fatima & Lourdes. They gave everything for the sake of the faith including their lives. Also became religious. Unlike others. Mirjana had a BF during the time of the so called apparition. Ivan married a former beauty queen and lives luxuriously in the US. Marija lives well in northern Italy. They have pansions and properties in Medjugorje

[@hawthorne1504]

Those cheap plastic rosaries in the narthex never break!

[@hawthorne1504]

@@marym.338 In the US parish volunteers make plastic rosaries and set them out, often in the narthex. Everyone has them at home. They never break.

[@TheLeonhamm]

It is real; as God is real, and He does odd things, really. Much, notwithstanding, in the way of its alleged prophetic gifts are at best dubious, or at worst contrary to the Faith .. you can do the work for yourselves, I'll not rehearse the arguments. But then, the same could be said of the Seers at La Salette, they too were not great witnesses .. presenting things in a confused or muddled or simplified manner (and even down to witnessing in a humanly flawed way; perhaps all the more to show Heaven at work indeed, in the real events, actually unfolding); for we are not all blessed with the beautiful direct simplicity of Bernadette Soubirous. Keep the Faith; tell the truth (let's try to be charitable about it), shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o)

[@T_frog1]

Why did Vicka tell a blasphemous lie about Mary dropping the baby Jesus?

[@TheLeonhamm]

@@T_frog1 Because she is human, her experiences are human, and her messages (it would seem) are human in origin. She is not the Church, nor the vehicle of Church-approved devotion to Our Lady, let alone the divinely appointed institution of Christ's magisterial authority - to teach all that He commanded. These 'Seers' have not been approved by the Church locally or universally, nor is their seemingly contrived convenient postal-messaging service; but devotion to Our Lady, even in odd situations (falling rose leaves, running backwards, via a deaf religious, et al) is still devotion - and permissible for Catholics to engage with .. only in so far as the Church permits it, so far, but no farther. I hope that helps. God bless. ;o)

[@tomsvideos68]

You will know them by their fruits - Our Lady's messages call us to the following:- To put God first place in our lives, To attend confessions at least once a month, To attend Holy Mass as often as possible, (obviously every Sunday) To pray before the Blessed Sacrament as often as possible, To pray the Holy Rosary (15 decades) daily, To fast on bread and water twice a week. To read and reflect on Holy scripture daily. To form and join prayer groups. Pray for the holy souls in purgatory, She always points us to her son Jesus. I am very fortunate and thankful to have been to Medjugorje many times. Each visit has helped strengthen my faith and commitment to Christ as well as challenge my daily struggles with sin and the evil that wants to destroy me & my family. God bless everyone here.

[@T_frog1]

Why did Vicka tell a blasphemous lie about Mary dropping the baby Jesus?

[@irish-catholic]

Jesus told me it's perfectly ok to receive Him on the hand!

[@carolynkimberly4021]

Ha Ha

[@MrBRIAN1888]

Nonsense

[@irish-catholic]

@@MrBRIAN1888 Get behind Me, Satan!

[@MikeyJMJ]

When's the book coming out

[@dwightschrute900]

It is, as long as it’s done reverently ( + frequent confession)