Meet the Glowforge 3D Laser Printer

[@tested]

Find out more about the Glowforge at glowforge.com/

[@nipunagarwal5961]

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[@jorgehuxley3387]

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[@arescoleman5895]

@Jorge Huxley Instablaster :)

[@jorgehuxley3387]

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[@jorgehuxley3387]

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[@mrkingid]

This is a laser cutter, not a printer. I expected more from you Tested.

[@tested]

+Michael King When we see stuff like this, our standard is to use the name of the product. This is the name of the product.

[@21LOLxPRO]

+Tested not a 3d dimension onli laser cuter or borner is oli 2d not 3d stamp

[@mrkingid]

+Tested That is somewhat even more disappointing. The manufacturer lying about its capabilities right off the bat.

[@MeshJedi]

+Michael King Well technically it's a laser engraver and like most of them, it can cut some materials.

[@DarthBiomech]

+Michael King I think it's called 3d printes since it can not only cut things, but engrave them too. Not quite true 3d print, but 3d nonetheless

[@nathanc777]

Did not expect to watch the whole video, but found it absolutely fascinating. What a cool thing.

[@MrKnifeFanatic]

Best new T-shirt idea: "You don't understand: I have a laser."

[@nbarnes24devon]

this just blew my mind! I saw the commercial in instagram and now I have a million idea for my business. This baby is what is going to put my business into a complete next level. we are now planning on buying one in September.

[@HunterRodrigez]

i wonder if the people who usually make those machines... the stupidly complicated ones... see this and will say "oh man why didnt we think of this" or "ah shit they figured it out"

[@psychobotLoL]

+Hunter Rodrigez Yeah but something just designed is always bad. Ofcourse good designer can make good product in first try. But in second try it will always be better. Just look at stuff around you. Everything evolves. Someone created something. People were using it. Found what is missing. Basing on that knowledge they upgraded it. Then again. Maybe they made it perfect but it is possible than in about year or two they will find next way to make it even easier in use and they you will say same thing. You just doesn't see now what is it missing. Some already did and you can find their thoughts above in comments. So they will probably say "oh man why didnt we think of this", but glowforge can say it in the future too.

[@HunterRodrigez]

DrawDeath Dude we had this technology for decades and yet most machines like that (like automated drills for example) are still based on a stupidly complicated programming language instead of a visual interface... And if some designer who just thought it would be a cool idea to make this simpler can do it you can bet your ass that the people who make those machines can do it too... They can probably do it even better

[@psychobotLoL]

***** You just see how they evolve lol Just someone sow money/need in making them simple and he did Maybe tools to make it that simple were created recently 5 years ago I think this would be project worth whole microsoft, not it isn't.

[@deathblade909]

+DrawDeath exactly, my school has three and the interface is really dumb. Once companies start getting competition like this Lazer cutter the innovation will begin. I can imagine for a typical architecture school you can give every incoming student one of these.

[@psychobotLoL]

Ricardo Chavez Yeah, that's what I think too ^^ I'm going to apply to art school in upcoming year and I know that they have 3D printers. I hope they will get such laser cutter too ^^

[@SaviorSix]

I think this is the first time I've actually wanted to go out and buy something that I don't have the money for.

[@EastyUK]

Something we use in carbon fiber manufacturing in the aircraft industries is using a low power laser to project on the tool for orientation alignment ect. this could be used to show exactly where the laser is to etch.

[@trecoolable]

"you understand... you have a gift"... the best quote ever

[@javinsac]

Jaw on floor. Gonna miss you Will. Good luck on your new project.

[@Chibs]

You don't need CAM software to use a lasercutter. Lasercutters are extremely easy to get into: You simply draw in whatever vector software you want and the machine will cut it. It's as easy as it gets. This only adds layers of abstraction to it for unnecesary reasons... Furthermore making it dependent on their services, rather than a stand alone machine. What we REALLY need is a cheap affordable and safe lasercutter with no fuzz. This is the opposite of that, sadly.

[@webosm6494]

Put all the cloud processing into a PC and i will be a customer. The features are great. Cloud, not so much. Processing power is currently so cheap it does not need to be in the cloud. With some effort you could probably get it into a raspberry pi, increasing the price of the laser cutter with about 40US$. Cloud is great for websites, smartphone apps etc. Once you have a machine that needs to produce to get your investment back you need everything tightly connected with the least number of points of failures. Internet has the largest amount of failure points, from your own router to the isp's to all the nodes in between. I run a 1300x1000mm laser cutter and guess what all the computing power has been done on a PC. The laser just interprets some gcode. The concept is not new. The aligning is. Could probably be made as an add-on for existing laser cutters.

[@KylaJenningss]

What lazer cutter do you use?

[@xZerplinxProduction]

"you got to understand that you have gift" " you got to understand i have a laser" best dialogue i have heard in a while

[@galenwalters]

An amazing little master of the physics-graphics-inventor universe... so well done. Gotta have it.

[@Chibs]

Also what is up with their laser continiously causing flames? That's not actually normal, looks like it has a huge kerf. How are you going to get replacement grids? There's a reason lasercutters have large air filtration units and cooling circulation, they are dangerous machines (Seeing an open laser tube is not a nice sight). What magically makes this unit not need any of that? Where are the toxic gasses going? Even WITH air filters it still needs to have an escape, you can't just keep building up and circulating such gasses. Drawing on the material is a software function, but not even illustrator does vector translation from drawings perfectly, so why would this software do? Why is there no way of just running it locally? "It allows us to make it better over time" Or the opposite: Once you go bankrupt your machine is USELESS because you can't run it. "Fixed Alignment" as a feature? Adjustable alignment machines also are factory calibrated, but ANY machine will EVENTUALLY run out of calibration when moving or being involved with heat. Not being able to calibrate it just means it will slowly lose accuracy, rather than just being able to be adjusted. This had promise, but way way way too much seems to be based on gimmicks, fancy design rather than a purpose built tool that you can keep up and running. "People keep watching because it's cool", what? It's important to keep continious vision, things can always go bad. You have a camera built in, great, why don't you use it for more useful things such as fire detection?

[@Chibs]

Oh great, I missed the end; didn't know it even came with a built in design-store where you can sell your designs! Wow! In-app purchases on your lasercutter!

[@Everfalling]

If you look at the flame it's very still. In my experience flames from laser cutting are made erratic from the turbulence of the air extraction. My guess is that they shut off the air for audio reasons. I could be wrong though.

[@Chibs]

+Everfalling Good point. In fact, now that I look more closely, the whole air filtration unit that they talk about is completely missing from the lasercutter they're using. I wonder if they actually already finished the design for it...

[@harrier331]

+Chibs With the cutter they are using for this demo there is clearly a large silver tube leading out of the back of the machine that as he said during the first segment is for connection to an extractor. and no the machine is not complete as it is in preorder again, as was said in the video.

[@tylernorton583]

that's bad ass,props to the designer. im getting one of these.

[@DesignsbyCADPRO]

This is exactly what I do for a living! Well sort of except I use a CAD software to extrude a product or idea up from a 2D model. Awesome.

Am I the only one scared of devices that will be rendered completely useless in case the company maintaining the "cloud" service of it goes bankrupt, stops supporting EOL devices, etc?

[@Psychlist1972]

+Toni Lähdekorpi Nope. Lots of people here with that concern.

[@phatfish001]

+Toni Lähdekorpi The only sensible decision with regards to their software stack was that it is actually a web app, rather than forcing anyone who wants to use it to buy a fucking iPad. Based on what had gone before i was genuinely surprised.

+phatfish001 web app maintained by them. What if they stop maintaining it for any number of valid reasons?

[@JackOfHobbies]

+Toni Lähdekorpi I don't think that is as big an issue as you might think. If for some reason Google stopped doing cloud hosted computing, you could still take the virtual servers and move them to a different provider (Amazon, Microsoft, etc.), or Glowforge could work up to hosting their own servers if they started getting big. Cloud hosting is very flexible and will be around for the foreseeable future.

Caleb Brant I wasn't talking about the hosting itself (I'm a sysadmin...), but rather the company. If the company owns all rights to the software running in the virtual machine, containers or whatever, we can't use it if they stop supporting it. The only option in that case would be to either for them to release it for the public to use on their own servers, or for someone to reverse-engineer everything and recreate it. Not supporting old hardware and software is very common these days. It even happens with random consumer electronics. For example, Philips stopped manufacturing a HEPA filter for my vacuum cleaner after just a couple of years. Nobody is even selling a compatible filter... The same happens with software.

[@Gerald5000]

No doubt this will be a success. I'll have to keep an eye on how it progresses because we'll need a 240 volts version here in Australia. This is exactly the kind of laser cutter I want/need.

[@SatinFoxx]

This makes me want to do only 1 thing...make LOTS of wooden dice. A 2ft 2x4 would make SO many dice with this thing. Want it so bad.

[@RobPortlockMusic]

"Now I'm going to get technical and talk about physics" *grade 8 physics ensues*

[@Zanmiester]

anyone watching this in 2017, the price is NOT $1995, the basic is $2995 with the pro + air filter being $5995. and shipment is scheduled for 7 months from when you pre order it

[@chaiTV]

LOL when this thing finally ships to your door in late 2016 at earliest, so many people will be like "what the fuck did I just buy"!

[@C_Mike]

This is a seriously cool piece of tech

[@Imacuser223]

Less a 3D printer... more like a CNC. Still 100% awesome; think of the thing one could make with this...

[@Kill0rbAg]

That story about the wallet is great. ^^

[@Psychlist1972]

+Saljon And almost certainly made up or largely embellished. Cynical, I know.

[@Kill0rbAg]

Pete Brown Of course there is a huge chance it is either, but who cares? I'm not going to be one of their customers anyway.

[@HillValleyMaker]

I can't wait for mine to arrive this year. WOOOHOOO

[@Guitarsoulmadness]

Now i need a laser. Thanks, Tested.

[@antorio1288]

5:38 Hahahahaha -You don't understand....You have a gift! *_* -No...YOU don't understand...I have a laser!

[@Uncle_Buzz]

Funded as of 8:20am Pacific, Sept 24. Amazing.

[@JohnSmith-cl3ez]

Dan Shapiro should to be "Spock". Glowforge, if it function as per the specs they say... it is AWESOME for mid tier rapid manufacture. It will to take a dump all over my k8203 with bluray lazer attachment, or the myriad machine from alibaba. pure awesome!

[@bluegreenash]

Great looking settlers of catan pieces @ 7:00

[@christopherheffner]

This is going on my wishlist...

[@John-fr4hu]

I love the "$500.00 bucks more you get an air filter" Jesus guys lets make that a standard feature, and talk about a bit of a gouge on that price.

[@awesomesauce1541]

This would be great for sewing because cutting pieces accurately is very frustrating lol

[@sethmo38]

No air assist? Seems like an important feature to leave out of a lasercutter

[@monkeydroofie7344]

The video host looks like Adam Savage and the guy who made the printer sounds like Jamie Hyneman. I got mythbusters flashbacks

[@JamesBedford]

I think some people only watched < 11:00 minutes. Looks like a "3D Printer" to me!

[@LunaphaseLasersOfficial]

45W light bulb? No, light bulbs are rated on their power draw. Lasers are rated on their photonic output. 45W of output as pure light energy is significantly more than a 45W light bulb, considering my 4W laser projector draws close to 250W from the wall.

[@ronbronb]

I bet Austin powers would love a cloud controlled laser.

[@idontcare4425]

Not even lieing I just got an ad for glowforge

[@progmanmike]

Yep, ordering mine as soon as I get my hands on 2 grand

[@NareHovakimyan]

Wow, oh man, incredible!

[@allluckyseven]

Wow, that is neat!

[@scioli700]

This aged well. Very well.

[@stevesmith2553]

What is the shelf life of this device used, but not all the time. will you have parts say 8 or 10 years down the road

[@edgar-o3h]

I want to be excited about this product but I am afraid the device will depend greatly on you BUYING your work MATERIALS with the paperback directly FROM THEM and, on top of that, perhaps paying a SUBSCRIPTION to their 'CLOUD SERVICES' in order for it to give you the results we all expect. This sounds like a new SPIN to the domestic printer scheme....

[@insu_na]

This is an awesome device... I'd totally buy it if I were a maker or had the required cash, but it seems pretty darn cheap for a lasercutter.

[@66tbird1]

+d3rrial not really, cheap 40W lasercutters from china can be had for

[@MichaelVroegopisvrogy]

Is that lenticular distortion from the lid camera at 15:20 , or was the stock not cut square?

[@edvardhuseby946]

The thing that really annoys me, is that the button on the top is offset in relation to the circle.

[@RektOrNah]

If this is controlled via google cloud, isn't there some kind of security issue that will possibly be present?

[@erikiacopelli451]

I MUST OWN ONE!!!!

[@PetrGladkikh]

It's neither 3d nor a printer. Misleading title aside, it's impressive tool.

[@onedayillpay]

I see the humming board... explain how I can build it

[@WayneEarls]

I'm disappointed that the case was injection molded.. Why not have them printed?

[@tabmajor27]

This is kind blowing!

[@BurningSpooon]

Woow I want this so much right now *.*

[@Seattlemike009]

so how long will the laser lasting? how many hours? how do you replace the laser or can you fix it, or is it like plasma TVs once out you throw it in to the trash

[@AdrianoAlfaro]

+Michael Grinshtat I have the same question... I read that CO2 lasers need a gas refill sometimes... :-(

[@Spirit532]

+Michael Grinshtat Judging by the price of the machine and the price of these tubes(which are not "custom" by the way), I'd estimate about 200 hours continuous cutting, then the power will drop down or the tube will just refuse to ignite. Each tube of that power is around $200. And if you can manage to align it yourself after a reinstall with those shitty plastic clamps, you should have made a laser cutter yourself a long time ago.

[@lemondropmemories]

This definitely shows up Sillouette and Cricut, but it's 10X the price those die cut machines cost. It's still reasonable for what it can do ($2,300+), but seesh, it makes sense for someone who plans to use this for their business, but someone who is a casual crafter or even a serious crafter, I don't think this is the best purchase.

[@opoc.architects]

can it cut through metal? stainless steel, aluminum stuff like that?

[@Rowlett54]

will seems to be slowly turning into adam. lol

[@ThePiachu]

"eight one thousandth of an inch" - how low can you go before you consider switching to metric and start using micrometres? Moreover, this is not a 3D printer, but a laser cutter...

[@MarcRitzMD]

10 thousandth of an inch for walnut or something....what did he mean by that? 10/1000 inch = 1/4 mm = 0.254 mm. Does that mean that the laser cuts away a quarter of an inch with each pass? To cut deeper it would need several passes?

[@tested]

Kerf is the width of a cut, the depth is determined by the strength of the laser and the material.

[@MarcRitzMD]

Thank you, Tested!

[@MarcRitzMD]

Phil Verhey lol, you are right. That's what you get for not being comfortable with different unit systems

[@CruceibleProductions]

SO COOL!!

[@The_Lonely_Texas_Pagan]

I so want one.

[@rsALEX]

damn this looks soo cool

[@robyrob39]

wish i could get a couple..

[@B3D]

super cool

[@TheTrueFreeStyle]

I.. want... one.. NOW!!! :D I love lasers and i thing i'm gonna invest in on ^hype^

[@sliturarse]

So this will cut metal? with ease?

[@SCIENindustries]

does it cut stainless steel 3mm thick?

[@robingomes3636]

Where does the exhaust go?

[@ackackBarf]

Love the idea at first glance... Whats to prevent this thing from becoming a useless brick when they potentially go under? Or they could decide that they no longer want to put money in keeping the servers up-to-date as tech on the computer or iPad changes? It requires internet access to use, which is not big as long as they are still around. No thanks. That is why the more expensive ones are better. This is making it more of a potential disposable piece of equipment. It still costs to much for it to potentially be useless after 3 years. ROI is still important and this is very risky. Love his obvious excitement about it. Seems to really have a passion for it. But until I can do it all on my local computer like with my 3D printer I am not going to buy into it. Cloud is not the answer for this kind of tech.

[@yootoob7048]

+ackackBarf I've have posted similar concerns so I won't re-hash here. Does anyone but me remember when "the Cloud" was nothing more than an icon on a Visio diagram?

[@KingOfKYA]

+ackackBarf yeah i have the same concern as soon as he said cloud... yeah i am sorry but the users device ipad pc etc also has plenty of power use it. With something in the $1k+ range, yeah there needs to be a even in a limited way to use it locally with no inet connection.

[@OzDeaDMeaT]

Does it measure in metric like the rest of the planet?

[@1rad58]

There are two kinds of countries. Those who use the metric system, and those who have set foot on the moon.

[@kmcat]

+1rad58 And those who brought the wrong bridge in London and only know a flag that their country is a war with

[@SyntheticFuture]

+C00m7ee burn cream for sale, come and get your burn cream!

[@ishankmahale5393]

touché

[@haluter]

+1rad58 There are two kinds of countries. Those who have not set foot on the moon, and those who have to beg for a ride to get into LEO.

[@TomBurke4015]

My theory about the "cloud software" bit is that they're trying to forestall cheap Chinese clones. Glowforge can authenticate the machine connecting to their software, so a clone would be crippled. If so, it's a doomed strategy, because lots of people could stick a cheap camera or two on a sub $1K laser cutter and add some simple software to follow lines. That's what most people will care about, and they won't notice subtleties like the fact that the Glowforge has autofocus (unlike most cheap laser cutters) or a nice, sharp TEM00 laser. The only benefit the buyer gets from these software shenanigans is to help keep Glowforge in business for a little longer so their cutter doesn't get bricked quite so quickly. Glowforge says they're going to "release the firmware" (presumably, they mean the source code), but only some teeny tiny percentage of the machine's buyers would be able to make any use of that when the cloud part permanently goes down (which, make no mistake about it, will happen sooner or later). For everyone else, they'll have an expensive table decoration unless someone starts selling replacement software (probably should have kept that idea to myself...). I've already been burned a couple of times by buying into hardware that requires remote server ("cloud") support--never again, except for those cases where it's obviously necessary, as with cellphones. The good thing about Glowforge is that they'll get everyone thinking about line-tracking laser cutters, so before long there will be a flood of add-ons for existing cutters that will provide this function, even if most of them are crap. For example, the huge tattoo industry could be a major consumer of these things ("Want me to turn your ink tattoo into something really badass? Stick your arm into this box."). I hope Dan Shapiro comes to his senses and finds a fix for this serious flaw in his business model, because he seems like a sincere and intelligent guy and I'd truly like for him to succeed. The world needs a product like this, and if you can believe their marketing it looks like Glowforge has the wherewithal to pull it off. But they aren't getting a penny of my money until I'm convinced that I will truly own the product I'm paying for.

[@lupusk9productions]

+Tom Burke the dash before Glowforge in your first sentence and the dash you wrote after sub makes all the inbetween crossed out. --like this--

[@KirKanos08]

Very cool. Title is a bit misleading though. It's more of a precision laser cutter/2D stencil than a 3D printer.

[@InfiniteRhombus]

+Phil Verhey none of those words mean what you think they do.

[@DamianReloaded]

+Phil Verhey Following your logic if I own two bicycles I actually have a car... ^_^

[@jeffreyblack666]

+Phil Verhey A laser is not a physical object that can be printed. When you print onto a piece of paper, you are printing ink and having it left behind. When you print using a 3D printer, you are either printing a binder, the material itself, or otherwise fusing the shape together to produce a 3D shape. It doesn't plot data points. Data points aren't appearing on the object. What this does is cut (or engrave). At best you could claim it as a laser mill. Printers build up. Mills cut down.

[@jeffreyblack666]

So now you try and bring up imprinting when we are discussing printing? If they call it a 3D printer, they are wrong. Being capable of doing 3D designs doesn't make something a 3D printer.

[@jeffreyblack666]

Phil Verhey Where I am from High school English classes mainly focus on literature studies, not actual english. Do you know what synonym means? Similar meaning, not same meaning. If they were the same you would has said stuff like this: "when celebrities or kids put their hands in cement, they PRINT the texture & shape of their hands at the depth applied" The fact that you chose to use imprint rather than print shows that you know there is a difference. Forget ignorance, dishonesty is bliss to the likes of you.

[@Mekhanic1]

title = "Laser cutter with vision based nesting software"

[@CephalopodsRock]

+Mekhanic1 On the glow forge website it is listed as "the 3D laser printer"

[@psychobotLoL]

+CephalopodsRock So they should change the title too. I guess they called it so to get more attention while 3d printers are popular.

[@Juke172]

+Mekhanic1 "2D printer for wood"

[@Juke172]

+Jukepoksi box Printer? Sorry, I mean cutter, of course.

[@Psychlist1972]

+Mekhanic1 When I read the title, I thought it was going to be a laser sintering 3d printer.

[@DrShaym]

All interest vaporizes as soon as you say "cloud".

[@Navywalrus09]

You cab download a copy of the firmware once you buy the laser. It's on their website.

[@Justin-C]

+Cameron Barrett Firmware != software (to clarify: this basically means it's on a third party to create standalone software people can use to control the printer)

[@WoahWoah378]

+Dr Shaym Yea, same here. So, one day they can say: ok we don't support this model anymore, so we are shutting down all the servers.

[@FreedomReform]

+Dr Shaym Cloud is the MOST exciting piece of this. Crawl out from under your prehistoric rock and see how Amazon is using "the cloud" as evidence on how the constant refinement of abilities is being done without having to push updates to people and product and install/upgrade. In addition to that, Glowforge has already said that an open source, public domain version of their service will be made available. Do your research before trolling misinformation.

[@Psychlist1972]

+Raymond Chase Please see responses in my comments. They have not agreed to releasing any form of the service. The firmware is super basic stuff. They said it's not a g-code interpreter, so it's essentially worthless. Yes, the cloud is the most exciting part of this. They're doing some really cool stuff there! In fact, they're doing *everything* there. It's also the most likely thing to turn your cutter into an expensive brick when this company decides it costs to much to keep supporting it, they close up shop, or they're sold to a larger company with no interest in supporting older products. All of these things have happened before.

[@MaisieSqueak]

"You do everything else on your iPad, Mac, Linux machine... or anything else..." Someone doesn't like Microsoft! ;)

[@addman]

+Stuart White heard that too, though the same thing...lol

[@MniHaD15]

when he was saying it uses web interface he wasn't very happy while saying Microsoft XD

[@MniHaD15]

+Nihad I meant windows

[@MniHaD15]

Stuart White dude I know a stupid friend of mine who can barely afford food who saved money to but an iPhone last year and now is saving to buy the no ishit6s

[@bjmgraphics617]

+Stuart White There are two distinct camps for everything. Coke vs Pepsi, the old Nintendo vs Sega but now its PS4 vs XB1, Apple vs Microsoft, and so on. It's crazy. I like both Apple and Microsoft.

[@100-s9l]

Don't see why it needs to be cloud powered, just make it plug into a computer like a regular printer.

[@dholzric1]

the software looks like a huge improvement over what most of us have on our lasers. have you used a laser?

[@_ThreeFold]

+Dan Holzrichter doesn't matter, this software could be run by most computers and should be a stand alone application, they just didn't want to develop specific applications for each os, choosing the option to just have a website instead. Plus with no way to connect offline that was shown, it can become a useless piece of junk after so many years or months of the company goes under

[@100-s9l]

+Tecnologia Brasil You don't know the difference between a hardware that requires constant connection to the internet and one that's standalone? I never said I expected it to last forever. The issue is being able to use the printer while the internet is down or unavailable. There are also plenty of old fashioned trade professionals(mechanics, welders, etc.) who still use their 10 year old Dell systems with Windows XP in their shop. I would've thought someone from Brasil, a country where less than half the population has internet access, would see that.

[@100-s9l]

I'm laughing imagining you talking like a tough guy with your ridiculous voice. Yeah, an easy to use machine for the rest of us which requires programming knowledge if the cloud goes down. Real thought out, you imbecile. Keep making your chipmunk videos; I'll go ahead and block/ignore you like those poor souls in the favelas.

[@jamesfoote2022]

Actually yes it can run in 100 yrs...if it was actual software since you would then be able to use an emulator "you can run XP with CorelDraw" which is what most of the cheap Chinese laser cutters use. You can run an XP Win7 virtual machine on win10 right now. The issue with the cloud is just that! If whatever service they are paying for goes away or accounts shut down you would be hosed. If it's physical software for an OS then you can run it 10, 20, 50yrs in the future if you wanted to via an "emulator", how the hell do you think Mrs PacMan runs on Mame from the 80's

[@Psychlist1972]

I'm generally pro-cloud, except for cases that involve otherwise dedicated hardware. Example: I have a 3d printer that uses a cloud-based slicer and has closed, proprietary firmware. The French company apparently folded (without any notice) and so the printer is only partially functional now. Dedicated hardware that relies on an external service to function will simply not last decades like dedicated hardware with on-board intelligence does. Another example: there are hardware synthesizers which require the computer to program. Synthesizers that were made in the 70s are still in use today. Those 90s and 2000s synthesizers which required computers are no longer usable without having a dedicated Windows 98 or Pre-OSX system in your studio. Unlike computers, tools and instruments tend to have a longer usable life, even when they've been leapfrogged by newer technology. Externally hosted services are ephemeral as are companies. To get the top of line model, it's $4500.

[@P8kku]

+Pete Brown Never considered this, good point.

[@Tjerk176197]

+Pete Brown that's probably why they use google clouds, they dont expect google to go bankrupt...

[@kingwr12]

+Tjerk176197 I don't think it's Google he's worried about going bankrupt.

[@alek202]

+Pete Brown My point exactly. My 3D printer will work in 10+ years because the whole toolchain is open source. I can maintain it myself. If services are in the cloud, I don't have access to the code and I can't fix problems.

[@fstemarie]

+Pete Brown Putting such simple things in the cloud is the stupidest thing ever. The minute I know it needs the cloud, it's worthless to me for exactly those reasons. Just give me open sourced software I can run on a laptop. That's it. It's like they use the cloud because "it's cool"

[@in6seconds]

thats a laser cutter not a laser printer

[@1ake1]

+in6seconds they said that on the vid tho

[@moyt155]

+anationify cutters and printers are totally different things

[@1ake1]

anationify That sounds too much science! Give that man a cookie

[@in6seconds]

+anationify just because they both have a laser involved doesn't mean they are the same, printers and cutters are completely different

[@deadman622]

+in6seconds I see now where you're coming from. Now i shall proceed to delete my earlier comments im shame after i realized that i hadn't even understood what we were fighting about

[@Granite]

seriously, 3d laser printer...

[@yootoob7048]

+Granite Yeah, I was expecting raised letter business cards and puffy ink t-shirts!

[@175myles]

+Granite The name is purely click bait, because of the huge 3d printer hype, that is what people will be searching for rather than a Laser CNC cutting machine which is what this is.

[@williamhayden7711]

+Granite The primary principle is to cut out 2D shapes that are used to create 3D objects as they did with the motive. Also the laser can cut 3D patterns in materials. They didn't even talk about it during this video. Keep in mind, however, you are dealing with the thicknesses of the materials you are cutting so you aren't going to cut a sphere or cube out of a 1/8" sheet of ply. It's mainly for adding decorations, text, etc.

[@williamhayden7711]

Squash I get your point. It should be called a cutter, but it does print (burn images, lines, et) also, but regardless it's not a 3D printer.

[@50crowley]

+Squash "laser printer" sounds more approachable than "laser cutter". It's a marketing decision.

[@dozerjohn]

Great product but this guy could sell a broken vacuum cleaner to anyone, very well spoken.

[@ChrisoneillART]

+John Grammaticus "brand new fully broken top of the line Hoover. Best part is, this vacuum unlike others, does not suck!"

[@Eekhoornstaartlolly]

"3D", "Printer".... I hope some secretary made this title and not the technology journalists that this channel should have. Nonetheless a very very cool concept, very fine engineering.

[@tested]

+Eekhoornstaartlolly This is the name of the product. We didn't get into it in the video, but I thought it was pretty silly to call a laser cutter a 3D laser printer.

[@GreyDevil]

+Tested I think its because it can track depth in the cutting material that the makers are adding that 3D label on it. It is misleading but to a point i suppose.

[@SerenityReceiver]

+Eekhoornstaartlolly real z-achsis would be pretty great, they didn't specify the possible height.

[@Neumah]

+Eekhoornstaartlolly I personally don't like the term "3D printers" since they are so far off from what a print actually is. They are material disposers and object builders. Or something. But maybe these guys should go with Laser cutter + 3D engraver. I'd like to have one either way.

[@Eekhoornstaartlolly]

Tested Ah, that explains. Because the quality of this channel makes it hard to believe foe me that this was a mistake. Silly name indeed, a cutter/engraver with such a name will only spread confusion I think. Maybe they'll change it. On the other hand a "laser 3d printer" did catch my eye, so maybe good marketing haha

[@FuzzyScaredyCat]

They had me, right up to having to use their server 'in the cloud' :/

[@importedinventions]

Yeah really, dem upsells are deal breakers.

[@simmerke1111]

They even said that they're not asking for subscriptions.

[@FuzzyScaredyCat]

Simon What about when *they* decide they no longer want to support your version of the product. It happens, just ask all those old Nest (revolv) users? Using the 'cloud' for stuff like this is a poor idea and takes power away from the user/owner. If a product requires the cloud then the product is defective.

[@broAnansi]

Incredibly cool. I would jump all over that, if they open sourced the software or at least made it available to run locally. Lots of great startups don't make it for a variety of reasons. I would totally buy the pro model, but what if the company shuts down and the cloud service is no longer available?

[@JD2jr.]

Looks cool, until he mentions "the cloud". Most of us were over that 10 years ago.

[@DutchBrony]

+James Dreger uh huh, if they give you the option to install the computing software on your local machine it would be a selling point for me

[@fstemarie]

+DutchBrony Exactly ! Don't tie me to the cloud, it's ridiculous. Let's say I decide to make something cause the internet is down and I am bored, I can't do it cause it needs the internet to work. There is no need for that.

[@Psychlist1972]

+James Dreger Cloud can have some real benefits, but this is not using those. They're doing it to save a couple dollars. See my other comment for why I think this is a Really Bad Idea.

[@fstemarie]

Daniel G It could've been written in a platform agnostic language like Java, python, Node.JS etc. They HAD to go with the cloud... smh

[@DeathBringer769]

+James Dreger More like 7-8 years ago but who's counting anyway...

[@vlweb3d]

YOU'RE GONNA PUT ALLOT OF TRADITIONAL CRAFT PEOPLE ... OUT OF BUSINESS. Oh well, the price of progress.

[@DarthBiomech]

+VL VIDEOS Or, those traditional craft people obtained a tool that allows them to do better job? I got a 3d printer and it helped me tremendously.

[@erikwalther1262]

+Darth Biomech I agree. See, the machine is only relatively inexpensive. what will happen is that these will pop up in design stores and people will charge to use them. This helps the craftsmen more than ever.

[@GaitaPonto]

It's a 3D laser CUTTER.

[@LaserWoodShapes]

no, it's a 2D laser cutter.

[@Aethelbeorn]

So when this cloud service becomes discontinued this will be an expensive paperweight.

[@jasonsceptre2238]

I feel sorry for the Tested member having to answer some of these moronic comments.. The title of the video is what the product is called.. It's not their fault that's the name.

[@tested]

These are much better than the usual comments :)

[@INUN0TAISHO]

If this did not have it's brain out on the Net somewhere, I'd be all over this. Yeah, I want a laser cutter so bad my teeth hurt from grinding them, but putting your faith in a "cloud" for the heart, lungs, and brain of your $2,000 investment is too risky. Tech businesses come and go so if they went belly-up, their cloud services would follow soon after. Sorry guys, I've been on the Net since it's beginning (really) and nothing, NOTHING on the Net is permanent or absolutely reliable. Therefore, I will give this a pass. If it were completely self-contained, then you would have scorch marks on your order form as I would have one ordered immediately.

[@MeshJedi]

They made a new laser because all the existing ones where expensive and made it just as expensive if not more expensive... Heck you can get a 40W 12x8 laser engraver shipped from the US for less than 400. Smaller area but enough for most projects, and for the savings, I'd live with manually focusing the laser. It also works if you lose internet ;)

[@docpayce1]

Guys, thats no "3D laser printer", thats a plane Laser Cutter. No 3D, no printing. Pls correct your title, its misleading. Ah, and yes, the product title is misleading, too. Thumbs down on trying to catch in on customers in such a shameful way of marketing.

[@mllarson]

I agree with a lot of the commenters who think the cloud is a bad idea for something like this. Give me a local version of the cloud software (even if if is 5-10x slower than the cloud) and I'd be a potential customer (cash flow is the primary limitation right now). I don't want to be SoL by software running somewhere else if the company fails or my internet goes down.

[@Grrizz84]

Looks really cool except for the terrible idea of cloud software :(

[@Dunkingsonn]

Meet the awesome machines I'll never have....... T_T

[@hellsson1996]

+TheDeralte I'm with you. $2,000 is cheap for what it is, but way too expensive for me.

[@hellsson1996]

Yeah, I saw that too. I'm not complaining since the product is remarkable, it's just out of my price range. _(Translation: My wife would kill me.)_

[@moritzkirschner147]

+TheDeralte well i'm in college right now and im really considering buying one.....

[@APieceOfToast]

+Tom Miller thats only the early bird price. it shoots up to $4000 later on.

[@hellsson1996]

JDxGaming The price could be $1000 and it would still be an impossible sell. I don't care how many purses and candle holders I made.

[@RobertShaverOfAustin]

Glowforge looks interesting. The problem is it requires that the laser printer access software on the Glowforge server every time you use it. If you can't reach the server, if they shut it off, if they go out of business then you have an expensive hunk of machine that no longer works. This is exactly what happened to the customers of Revolv when Nest bought them. They decided it was too much trouble to keep the Revolv servers operating. So beware any system that requires software-in-the-cloud to work. This is especially true of startups.

[@MattPryze]

XD I died at "YOU HAVE A GIFT!" lololol