MEETING OUR WORST INTERNET TROLL! (she tells us everything)

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#nokidsallowed #trolling
i hope this episode gives you a good insight into trolling, we have been on youtube since 2007, thats 14 years of putting up with online trolling so i feel it gives us a kinda expert experience as we have been targeted so much during that time so i was really happy LIly was willing to come on here and tell her story and i hope her story reaches the right people.

[@jonathanjoly]

You can listen to this episode on Spotify and Apple Podcasts as well as watching the full episode here on KZbin!

[@ninakaur__]

so much empathy towards all of you for having an open dynamic and conversation about this- any form of bullying usually comes from internal struggles that doesn't make it right whatsoever- as someone who's been bullied it taught me to have empathy towards them- thank you for not being judgmental and knowing people make mistakes and can learn from them-as long as we hold ourselves accountable. its never to late.

[@CrippledGran]

Will all episodes be going on Spotify?

[@alannahmcfarland240]

I think you both handled this interview with such graciousness and poise.. I’m sure that was a really tough thing to do.. I genuinely don’t think I could have did it at all never mind as professionally as you did it! Anna you are such a genuine person ❤️ I just wanted to say well done... xxx

[@coneyrd]

You guys are so lovely & very mature .

[@SimoneOconnell]

congratulations on the video trending number 2 in the uk thats awesome

[@RachelDex]

Anna is ready to be friends with her while Jonathan is ready to never talk to her again lol You can see and hear how angry he is with her even now. (Quite rightly)

[@aliciab77]

But all three totally genuine and respectful

[@Obibopbop]

@@aliciab77 agreed all respectful which is admirable

[@ccap3211]

Anna said they are friends now. Lol

[@SimoneOconnell]

@@ccap3211 yes lol

[@karenburns9952]

I’m like Anna. Want to be happy. This was a great thing to do. I think Trolls have bad lives, maybe she can make a better way♥️

[@misho1981jo]

Jonathan is so hurt by her he seems annoyed and I don't blame him

[@chloecreates6809]

I would honestly be the same. I really didn’t like how she said she didn’t want people coming for her because she’s not strong but was happy to do it to someone else? No excuse for this behaviour as a 20 odd year old woman in my opinion.

[@christinatipp8848]

Yeah definitely don't blame him I hate het too

[@lauriemcgoldrick659]

First time I’ve ever seen him properly annoyed. And it’s very fair that he is.

[@caitlingall8820]

Yeah Jonathan hasn’t forgotten the hurt she has put them through, I think he can see through this slight act she is putting on of being overly nice

[@misho1981jo]

@@bellaxox6008 but that would tottaly negate what he is trying to show to his audiaince the consiquances of what these people like her cause to someone's life .

[@iamshooketh9345]

Jonathan is NOT having it😂! The teddy bear has CLAWS guys😂.

[@sabrinaceleste3156]

Come after his livelihood and family and YEAH teddy has claws ! Lol

[@FireCracker3240]

Yep, he sure does. And it's incredibly appealing. I really love the glimpses we get of Jonathan's serious side. :-)

[@jmmh1]

Jonathan did so f*cking well directing this interview. She was a hard person to interview but he kept bringing it back.

[@GeminiTwins2019]

I truly love how he stayed focused and he might seem harsh but honestly loved how he handled everything!

[@karenburns9952]

He’s a great communicator! Visually and verbaly!!!!! I loved when he explained why they let their son dress the way he likes. He did a beautiful job, helped me to understand. These two are a special couple!!!!! So glad Jonathan found Ana, amazing couple their family is very blessed.

[@evie8252]

I feel like he understood her trouble of staying on top as they both have ADHD so he made sure to keep himself focused to make sure the conversation stays relevant

[@canadilynne2642]

I agree, it couldn't be easy to face someone that caused so much harm to the people he loves. If only we could hear their internal dialogue throughout this chat! LOL

[@beccanicholsonx]

She is extremely manipulative....she is trying to convey that she is super nice and giggly to hide her past mistakes. She tried to own this and she really didnt. She avoided the questions about trolling and turned into questions about herself. I understand she was not in a happy place while she was trolling, and that she was brave to come on here for this, but I still do not understand WHY she did it. She was unhappy? A lot of people are unhappy and do not resort to trolling. Jonathan and Anna were very calm considering this girl had been so hateful for so many years. They did better than I would have.

[@AlissaMai]

I'm not sure if she's trying to be manipulative intentionally . I think she's extremely ashamed of her past and was trying to make a clear distinction that she has moved away from that.

[@AlissaMai]

And in response to trolling I think she kind of did answer the question from what I gathered She wasn't accepted when she was nice to then but then when she started trolling people accepted her and she felt a sense of belonging

[@evie8252]

I dont think that's fair to say she has narcissistic tendencies when that is a common misconception of ADHD, I dont think she was purposely trying to come across like that

[@evie8252]

@Crafty Elle you are totally fine! You didnt know! We are always so quick to assume things so I dont blame you x

[@gladislovesorcas]

I feel she is feels super terrible and has grown up.

[@chloe98x]

The respect you gave a woman who had aimed to destroy your reputation is really quite admirable. I could never be that nice to someone who’d done something that vile towards me. Really shows how amazing both Anna and Jonathan are as people!

[@andreabruno6039]

She's narcissistic af. It's all about me me me. Trying to avoid questions. She still doesn't set well with me regardless. Good on you Jonathan for not letting this slide.

[@Katie0119]

I’m not a mother yet but it didn’t sit right with me when she said that “you need to do something while breastfeeding” to pass the time. It made me feel awful that while she was feeding and nurturing her baby who solely relied on her for nourishment, comfort, safety and protection, she was destroying a stranger’s life halfway across the world, which just seems so hypocritical. And it’s like she is feeding her baby hate, because that’s all she was doing in that moment and transferring it to her baby. It makes me feel sad that she felt the need to do that firstly, and that her baby received that kind of energy so young. As I said, I’m not a mother yet but I’m hoping that some day when I’m breastfeeding, I’m “passing the time” with more positivity and healthy behaviours.

[@collettebell3043]

100% agree it’s so weird

[@rc27td]

this really really stood out to me too. in exactly the same way you said... terrifying

[@DaniJax]

The thought of this is absolutely vile.

[@SB-dk1ty]

🙌🏼

[@TheaAMcCarty]

You hit that nail on the head! And being a mom that has breastfed her babies, you can do so many other things while nursing. The most obvious being sitting there and bonding with baby and just being thankful for that amazing creation that believes you are the most perfect and complete person in the entire universe.

[@lilxchloex93]

Johnathan’s body language 😅 he’s not buying it

[@lucycoakley9593]

Omg Ik the death stare

[@caseydanielle3248]

Sees right through all that bs🤣

[@JustBreath24]

He’s brave and Anna is giving her the benefit of the doubt- they balance each other out and this was difficult to watch with her.

[@shazmarch]

Way to go Jonathan! x Making her feel accountable for what she has done. Yes she may well be sorry now for what she did in the past but she needed to know how much hurt all her actions caused. I still cant believe that she did it for so long though. Jealousy is such a harmful thing. Well done for doing this guys and being so calm & professional about it. x

[@Hayaaaa0411]

for someone who ruined a family's life, shes acting so casual about it.

[@discopumps]

Ruined a family’s life? They’re millionaires, they survived financially with dignity...

[@Hayaaaa0411]

@@discopumps girl it’s not just about “finances” , it could be mentally as well. You can clearly see how it effected especially Jonathan and how upset he is in this video. And the fact that she kept giggling and not answer the questions properly is frustrating. Just because they’re millionaires it doesn’t mean they’re not allowed to go through a rough time!

[@discopumps]

@@Hayaaaa0411 my comment was based on facts (I.e that they are v wealthy and what Jonathon has said) rather than conjecture.

[@anonimysz]

@@Hayaaaa0411 ok if you put your whole life online, especially your kids who can't consent, you should be aware of the consequences.

[@Hayaaaa0411]

@@anonimysz yes you’re right. But is that an enough or justifiable reason for people to harass them? People can criticize them and hold them accountable when they do something wrong, but not try to ruin their livelihood even if they’re “millionaires”.

[@almondbabie4957]

She seems to have an extreme case of victim mentality

[@leahburton9063]

I have very little respect for this ex-troll, regardless whether it was brave for her to show her face or not. But I have immense respect for Anna and Jonathan for being able to sit and talk to someone who has caused them so much hurt.

[@Cici07xxx]

I actually have no respect for her... her showing her face is for attention

[@jmmh1]

Couldn’t agree more

[@karenburns9952]

Imagine if more Trolls came out after watching this?

[@laniersammons6596]

Wow. Her face when He told her what her damage caused with the Adsense. Good for him for telling her the damage it caused.

[@CermousWOO]

I get spoiled brat vibes. Never been told no, turns on the waterworks when she's finally called out in a desperate attempt for sympathy. How Jonathan managed to share his feelings calmly, I don't know. I'd have been down her throat!

[@lavenderlemonslavender2087]

I agree. All she does is deflect from herself and ramble on about crap no one cares about. Shes so sorry she won’t even remove the crap she’s posted online ? Like seriously 😐

[@ASMR-JMelliee]

Could you please post the timestamp? I'm too upset, don't want to hear her talk anymore really

[@xyyx5660]

@@ASMR-JMelliee around 19 minutes

[@xyyx5660]

@@ASMR-JMelliee check 20 minutes

[@babyemz7]

I’m sorry after watching this no one can say Anna isn’t a nice person, even face to face with someone who ruined her life and made her really sad she can be kind and forgiving! Well done Anna! Sending the love to you Anna! 😍😍

[@ladyp5828]

I think it’s going a bit far to say this women ruined Anna’s life. It really doesn’t seem like Anna cares much at all. They have a blessed life! They have never had to struggle for money since they started their channel. So what exactly has been ruined? I think Anna has thick skin and doesn’t let the negative things said about her get to her. And forgiveness is for ourselves not for others.

[@youtubegavemynameawaycuntbags]

ruined their life? nice house for a ruined life.

[@ellielouise3296]

There’s no excuse as a women in her early 20’s to be trolling anyone. I can kind of get it at 14/15 where you are a child and you think everything is funny but in your 20’s you know right from wrong. She chats so much rubbish and blames it on ADHD but literally ruined their lives and made them stressed and loose out on money. It just goes to show how trolls are usually so miserable in their own lives they have to take it out on everyone else.

[@estar7497]

Adhd is horrible

[@ellielouise3296]

@@estar7497 I completely agree, my boyfriend has it and it is hard work sometimes but it’s no excuse to try and ruin someone’s life

[@ellellesmith]

@@estar7497 it’s also amazing though, it’s really not inherently negative but I don’t want to diminish that some people struggle because of it. But it also makes of capable of things that so many people aren’t

[@demiopeseitan6965]

lol I read gurugossip a lot and most trolls don't seem that miserable . I'd love to know what the trolls look like IRL.

[@jimmoynahan9910]

Pointing about child abuse is not "trolling". Learn the definition.

[@PrescribeAddiction]

No, she doesn’t sit right with me seems full of excuses. I don’t blame Jonathan for keeping his guard up, Anna is so forgiving, this girl almost doesn’t deserve how nice and understanding she’s being

[@lorrainestrubin9641]

I couldn’t agree more .

[@MsDreamcakes]

I agree, I don’t want to bash her whatsoever but something about this didn’t sit right with me either. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@camillaquaglia8245]

Same. The things she posted on that website are disgusting and unforgivable and I really believe that she played a big part in Anna's mental health in the past. I don't blame Jonathan for keeping his guards up.

[@leahjade5185]

@@camillaquaglia8245 what was her username?

[@rachxel08]

I feel like if everyone stayed out of everyone’s business and cared a bit less about what people do or think the world would be a bit more peaceful

[@alicedreams9833]

👏🏻

[@aliciab77]

Absolutely

[@janetroberts2262]

👍🏻👏🏻

[@user-oi4bf9cr6e]

People need to be held accountable for wrong things they do though

[@rachxel08]

@@user-oi4bf9cr6e of course I agree but when there’s no need to be in peoples business then stay out of it

[@misshipster98]

the way she kept saying ‘I don’t want anyone to feel sorry for me’ we don’t 😂😂😂

[@Nicstarmoore]

The breakdown during her divorce and subsequent therapy journey speaks volumes about what's at the root of trolling. If you’re spending time fixating on someone else’s life, you’re ignoring something greater in your own life. Accountability is a hard pill to swallow but it’s the first step to a healthier life. I hope more people watching this use today as an opportunity to change.

[@TheaAMcCarty]

ALSO, is "trolling" just a nicer word for "bullying" because that is exactly what it is.

[@Gohappygirl]

It’s not a nicer word. A troll is just an online bully that is consistent.

[@TheaAMcCarty]

@@Gohappygirl good to know! When I was bullied they seemed pretty consistent also, but it’s interesting to think about their being a slight difference in the two even though they are, at the core, the exact same thing.

[@Gohappygirl]

@@TheaAMcCarty one is online and one is in person. That’s the only difference

[@ruthduignan7928]

Yes bullying. The word Troll just doesn't go far enough

[@kristinasmith8657]

Facts

[@gamingpeach]

The fact she had children and was trolling them is quite frankly disgusting, ive been and still am at a super low point in my life and ive never thought about going online and trying to ruin peoples life. but respect for Anna and Jonathan for being able to talk to a troll.

[@katrina28061]

Yeah I agree, I believe alot of the trolls even now have children though. I have read the forums and I would never join in and I want to tell them how awful they are and its normal family life just because they online for 10 mins of their day they are not seeing the whole picture, but nothing positive or against them is allowed on there apparently!

[@yasemin4205]

100% agree. plus she never really answers the question s.. i just cannot wrap my head around spreading hate comments and causing so much damage in peoples lives. especially as an ADULT like ???

[@Ms89Monkeylover]

Very well said. I too am at a very low point in my life, and I have never once thought to myself "I want someone else to feel as miserable as I do" or "my life sucks so I'm going to be hateful and cruel to this family and see if it makes me feel better" like seriously?! Who thinks that way?!

[@hannahjade4180]

Hey Jen, I’m sorry to hear you’re going through a tough point in your life. If you need anyone to talk to, please know I’m here for you. My name is Han, I’m 20 (almost 21!) and currently doing a placement year whilst doing my degree. I just wanted you to know a little bit about me if you want to chat! If you do and you have Instagram please come and find me @hanboardman_ if you need anything at all x

[@Ms89Monkeylover]

@@hannahjade4180 what a sweet gesture! It's so nice to see people treating other people they don't even know so kindly! Now, I have to be a busy body and ask, what are you getting your degree in? I'm a teacher (4th grade), so I love to hear about people's schooling :)

[@JosieIrons]

Wow - this is so insightful! As a content creator who also has / had a lot of trolls it’s fascinating to see such an insight.... and this has confirmed so many things I thought about trolls, specifically negativity attracting negativity. Very sad. But I am SHOCKED to hear that she would have turned up to a meet up. Would she have been horrible to your faces?! Would she have fangirled??? So interesting and incredible that you did this xxx

[@MindySanders]

I really love your style and enjoy your content!! To your above question, my bet is that she’d fangirl! Don’t you think?

[@georginacat7667]

Im a bit of a troll and if I met them I would most certainly be rude

[@--8068]

@@georginacat7667 well aren’t you a lovely person

[@georginacat7667]

@@--8068 no im not particularly. I wouldn't go and verbally attack them but I wouldn't fan girl them and I do have many things I would like to say to Jonathan if the opportunity occured

[@--8068]

@@georginacat7667 that’s not trolling them then. That’s voicing your opinions?

[@ErinBooms]

Maybe the quietest I've seen Jonathan, that's how I know he is not having it lol

[@lasagnegurl167]

Jonathan doesn’t forget how these vicious trolls & guru gossipers have vandalised Anna’s car, left disgusting notes & stalked/harassed them at every turn. His income has been greatly affected due to a troll trying to impersonate Jonathan. I couldn’t forgive troll or guru gossipers that have done something that’s affected my income. Anna obviously isn’t as affected by the trolls & guru gossipers. Jonathan is more sensitive. Lilly seems to have learnt her lesson but the damage has been done. Don’t troll... change the channel instead. Everyone has a choice about what they watch. I’ve also been targeted by trolls & guru gossipers on Jonathan’s channel because I left positive comments, I was hounded. And at one point, the guru gossipers thought I was Anna & subscribed to my channel & left disgusting comments about my beautiful dog. They were relentless & it was very distressing for me. I had to change my channel name many times to try & shake them off. People who deliberately troll & guru gossipers are lowlife pieces of garbage.

[@lucycoakley9593]

Anna seems like she’s forgiven her completely whereas Jonathan looks like he deeply hates this girl for good reason

[@hellgavampenstein9906]

He doesn't hate her. He just doesn't trust her. And its understandable.

[@Anoukvdk]

Yeah I feel like Jonathan was being really nice to her, especially since you could see that he is still really hurting about all she's done to them. I thought it was really good that he called her out on what she did, and indicated what the impact was of her poor decisions. It is admirable that Anna is so forgiving, but she shouldn't dismiss the fact that this girl has done a lot of damage to their family.

[@lucycoakley9593]

@@Anoukvdk I agree, I think it shows the difference in their personalities. Like I really admire how forgiving and kind Anna is but I feel Jonathan certainly has a more realistic response. They balance each other out nicely

[@trhol1]

Exactly what I thought too.

[@essiejames1627]

I also don't think she cried because she felt bad for the money loss but that she was intimated by the way Johnathon spoke to her. I can be like that too. Also a tense situation amyway.

[@tillyely1359]

I agree

[@meganjacobs2498]

He was stern. And rightfully so.

[@abbymcewen1038]

I noticed that. She was fine speaking to Anna but as soon as Johnathan would say anything to her the tears would start

[@youtuber9727]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@chanihahner615]

Does anyone else think perhaps she’s actually “getting” what she craved??? One on one attention from The Sacconejolys? Being “featured” on one of their vlogs etc? I really enjoyed this PodCast but still feel like it was her inner troll craving that attention all these years later. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s honestly what I felt.

[@canadilynne2642]

I think Jonathan felt the same way. That's probably why he said "or another form of trolling" before they started the conversation. It could have been just a grab for more limelight, but at least the conversation is out there and opening doors.

[@romanr9977]

This was difficult to watch. She's right about one thing - she's NOT likeable. She displays narcissistic tendencies. She did not grasp the reality of her actions in relation to Adsense until Jonathan pointed out the repercussions of what she did and how it impacted their family. I personally found it infuriating how she joked about how she reported your channel to Google . I think Anna was being too kind when she said she was beautiful. Anyone who behaves in that way is not beautiful on the inside nor the outside. I cannot fathom someone breastfeeding that (poor) baby and doing what she did and passing on that negative energy to her baby. She is clearly a damaged person and to her credit she has faced the music and is getting the psychological help she needs. Make no mistake she is not healed yet and has a lot of maturing to do; it takes years and years of therapy. She is on the right path though and to use the over-used term, it is a journey. Props to both you, Anna and Jonathan. You both handled this impeccably.

[@rc27td]

completely agreed. we need to be very careful watching this and disregarding years worth of abuse and bullying because of a few tears from the bully. i'm glad she's beginning to change and understand, but this is a long long process

[@aloveing1]

It’s ok to forgive and move forward trying to be a better person. Every day is a chance to do better, she’s trying!! The world needs more nice people like Anna who chooses to believe in the good.

[@monaaamato]

She still seems to proud of what she did and laughs it off. She caused so much damage and could have seriously harmed Jon and Anna's mental health. Imagine in the future if their kids see the nasty comments that these mindleas trolls have stirred up about their parents. I hope their kids don't suffer as a result.

[@romanr9977]

@@rc27td 🙏🏼

[@romanr9977]

@@monaaamato Well said ! 🙌🏽 hopefully the kids won't be impacted.

[@floriemaya]

So self affected, every question she returns with a story of her life.

[@Kaa_01]

Soooo annoying!!

[@aoifemolloy5859]

@@Kaa_01 kids so many dumb kid cult followers

[@aoifemolloy5859]

@jilly t yer a kid get a life

[@rachelbreck7766]

couldn’t agree more i’m genuinely like shocked at how every questions she responds with an excuse about how difficult her life was! if she thinks hers was so hard why did she think leaving such hate would make anyone’s any easier! so sad :(

[@aoifemolloy5859]

@@rachelbreck7766 ye kids need to take a hike

[@kelzie80]

I have so much respect for Anna, I couldn’t be that forgiving. I can see Jonathan really listening but holding back his real thoughts, he looks so hurt. I don’t think that behaviour can be forgiven. It’s just nasty.

[@ccap3211]

That’s not always a good trait to have. I struggle with it as well. It’s called being a pushover. Lol

[@Ms89Monkeylover]

@@ccap3211 very true. Anna has a beautiful heart, but shes so eager to make this woman feel good about herself, as well as not feel bad about what she did, that she's practically the one apologizing! I can see why itd be hard tho. She's a very caring woman. A mommy and dog lover to boot, and this woman before her is no longer just a faceless internet troll, she's another human being, a woman her own age with kids the same age, showing genuine remorse and sadness.... It's in her momma instincts alone to want to stop someone from crying lol I'm glad she has Jonathan to balance her out tho. I'm often too easily forgiving and from this I gather she is too, and if you don't balance it somehow, you soon have a bunch of people in your life stomping all over you, and no longer have time for your true friends, who got pushed aside without you even realizing it, because they didn't need anything from you, and the people you're so eager to help are occupying all your time!

[@ccap3211]

@@Ms89Monkeylover yeah totally! She has good intentions though!

[@smjonesy1]

I’d say he’s just resigned to the fact that she will never really get it.

[@IamMinnie90]

I agree

[@leighmegan13]

This girl is absolutely relishing in the attention. Constant diversion, twisting and avoidance.

[@morganleigh6435]

her constantly crying makes me so angry, she literally ruined a families lives for so long but somehow she's the victim?

[@katiesmith3242]

Yep that’s true!

[@darceyratcliffe2075]

100% I’m sat here twitchy because she hasn’t seen the tears it the family because they put up a front now she’s acting like a victim

[@smjonesy1]

Saying she cries all the time actually detracts from genuine regret.

[@cdiaz1282]

This is literally the problem with having this kind of open dialogue. The woman couldn’t control her emotions because she’s HUMAN and made the point to say more than once to Anna not to feel bad because she’s crying, that it’s her taking accountability. If we can’t listen and forgive then the point of this entire exercise is completely lost.

[@hellgavampenstein9906]

If IT bothers You that someome crying that's something wrong with You. She regrets the choices that she made. I think she cries as a sign of emotion. She realized what damage she did do she cries.

[@mollimartin5266]

I have no sympathy for her, she spent years trying to ruin these peoples lives and to sit there and laugh about it I don’t think she understands how she made them feel! Anna so just so forgiving but I’m with Jonathon on this one 🤍🤍🤍

[@nextupnow]

Nervous laughter is a widely known and accepted phenomenon in psychology. She is not laughing about what she did. I think it is extremely uncomfortable and upsetting for her to sit there and talk about her past behavior. She is obviously ashamed of what she did. To have to face the very people she hurt is extremely uncomfortable but she is doing it anyways because she wants to own up to what she did and try to provide insight that others can learn from. It totally makes sense that she would laugh out of discomfort.

[@nadiyahc5313]

Same

[@mollimartin5266]

@@nextupnow she literally avoided the questions Jonathon was asking and would just talk about herself

[@FireCracker3240]

ITA.

[@alesshermitage3759]

This video has touched a nerve with me. What upsets me is this woman's narrative about justifying her actions through her own life struggles. I would be more willing to understand her perspective if she gave direct responses to Jonathans questions. He asked a question and she reverted to lockdown and Covid? I can totally comprehend why Jonathan is less forthcoming in being friendly with this woman. Ultimately trolling is never ok and I appreciate Jonathan's point of view throughout this video.

[@becky2425]

Agree 100%.

[@soniafariarodrigues9357]

Me too. And all the laughs. I mean... I believe she's nervous, but this is very, very serious. This (still) hurts and harm so many people.

[@soniafariarodrigues9357]

But, we have to admit that she was brave and everyone deserves respect for recognizing their mistakes :) it was good. I hope some people doing these bad things right now watch this video and think about their actions and their life and I hope they find some peace and happiness inside them.

[@EmmaHowe14]

Spot on👌

[@mtex3490]

I totally agree with you. I also think some of his anger, is probably because of how much he saw Anna hurting at the time and it made him angry and he can’t forget that.

[@eviebatson3518]

She’s not answering the question she’s just telling her life story. She definitely seems manipulative.

[@reneehopwood6925]

Jonathan is how I want to handle toxic people Anna is how I actually handle toxic people

[@pattolladay6368]

I would not be so forgiving as Anna , this troll just didn’t get what damage she was doing ,

[@lucycoakley9593]

I would be much more of a Jonathan

[@Kaylia1991]

I am with Anna here though. Because in the end she changed and reflected on her behavior which is something that is important. There is hope out there that some people might engage in self-reflection and change for the better. Of course this does not make any of the pain she caused go away. But she is not going to do it again. This is what matters.

[@eloiseross6757]

I love Anna and her constant wanting to see the good in people, but I’m so glad Jonathan actually spoke about what she did. And I personally was so angry when she tried to laugh it off when she ruined his income and gave him years worth of problems. There’s nothing to laugh about. I’m glad Jonathan was telling her straight. I don’t think she’s sorry at all

[@danakennewell5005]

On behalf of Australia, we don't claim her.

[@Spaannnxx]

Agreed %100

[@FireCracker3240]

I see what she's doing. She's trying to be so likeable, so relatable. She's a reformed girl. She's your best friend. She calls Jonathan "Jon". I don't know Jonathan, but I have a feeling that _nobody_ calls him Jon.

[@Moncix28]

Watching a full ad and not skipping it so Jonathan can get back some of that money lost 🙃😂 Thank you for sharing this guys!

[@louise7542]

😂😂😂

[@hannahryan8729]

Love this!!!

[@sasaoldbarn]

Does not skipping ad's make a difference? Really wondering!! I thought clicking on the website makes more? They deserve the best!!!!!

[@Moncix28]

@@sasaoldbarn i am not 100% sure but there are different levels of ad profit for example not skipping the ad and watching X seconds or watching the whole ad or actually clicking on the ad or purchasing the product/service from the ad. All of these have different profit points for the creator 😁

[@canadilynne2642]

@@sasaoldbarn Watching the ads are what generate the actual income from what I understand. Clicking on the videos is more about YT algorithms and visibility on YT. Both are necessary but the actual $ comes from the ad revenue.

[@SweetnSourqt3]

20 minutes in and Jonathan is coming on strong! I completely understand. People hiding behind screens have no idea how what they’re doing is affecting your livelihood and your mental health. Loving this discussion so far!

[@natalieturley688]

she's a pro at avoiding questions , no sympathy for her at all .. constant excuses for putting this family through hell! definitely think she's proud of what she's done more than anything (saying she's repping guru gossip when she mentioned it), imagine having kids and this being how you chose to live your life honestly don't understand her at all

[@hzara3346]

This was so frustrating to watch. She is very manipulative and you guys handled this so well! I feel like she wants to look like she’s being really honest but really didn’t answer any of your questions. I respect you two so much. You handled this so well.

[@hannahboylan23]

I think the reason she diverts away from the questions and talks about herself a lot portrays that the trolling really wasn't about Anna and Jonathan... it was all about her. She was filling some sort of a void in her life - that doesn't justify her actions at all and the repercussions that Anna and Jonathan faced were clearly awful. But she was an incredibly hurt person who was suffering in her own way, and this was the outlet she chose to escape from this and was seeking acceptance from. I hope she is happier now and reformed like she says she is. I really enjoyed the interview and I think you can learn a lot from it - all the love and positive vibes guys 💕

[@lorid1395]

Exactly!

[@cottagebirder]

This!

[@kaylariggs5188]

Yes! I think most of these commenters don't get it. They're like, "oh she's manipulating, she's self centered, she's not sorry, she's laughing, she keeps diverting from the question, making it all about herself, I don't feel sorry for her" etc... You guys, one thing.... YOU. CAN. NOT. CHANGE. THE. PAST. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course it's awful, of course they have a right to feel however they feel, but if I sat here and told you the things i've done in MY life in the past, you would be like oh yeah terrible person... And I 1000% feel that yes I was, and am, for those choices i made 5 to 10 years ago. But also that's not who I am today. I don't even know that person! So I don't think we should just say well whatever not worthy of forgiveness. Do i wish she would have said some things differently? Yes. But I do know it's obviously nerve wracking talking to two people who not only have a huge following and you know you're going to be broadcast to that following, but also two people who might not be so happy to speak with you. That would require some balls! Also i do think the laughter and the diverting from questions was nerves and also Attention Deficit - she did disclose she suffers with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder and she clearly struggled to focus which is okay that's not somethinf that can easily be avoided unmedicated. I also think the "represent" comment was interpreted i don't think that's how she meant it and I actually thought she was a likeable person who was willing to own her wrongdoings, to stand in her shit and also apologize. How many people would get on there and do that? Yes it was wrong what she did, but you can't hold on to that when someone has changed! Reminds me of how the first two years i was sober and people would still act as if i was using or accuse. You start to think well damn if this is all I'm ever going to hear about or be associated with then i might as well go back to it. (Btw I didn't go back - 5.5 years sober today, by the Grace of God.) It gets challenging when you are really putting in the effort to correct those things and move forward to a positive future. I respect all three of them for having this discussion and really enjoyed this.

[@edaly7545]

This is the comment. It is clear she was always the problem

[@georgialee5032]

I cringe everyone she calls him Jon 😬

[@lauren523]

YES 👏🏼 so disrespectful to not use his actual name

[@robitai525b]

Sorry I don’t follow this family too deeply- does he not like going by Jon?

[@sophiedevenish7657]

omg i thought this! Literally no one ever anywhere calls him Jon i think this is the first time i've heard him be called Jon. I immediately thought that maybe that's what they called him on the forum sites (because I know they often use strange nicknames for creators on there) and it just stuck and that's what she calls him. I remember i think in a draw my life way back in the day he talked about in his family history there was always the name John or a variation of that but he didn't like that for him he only liked Jonathon.. So maybe the trolls took that and ran with it??? Imagine if Anna referred to him as Jon in the vlogs we'd all be like...... who???????

[@tracymason6832]

I agree. Why change his name! Never ever have I heard anyone call Jonathon Jon!! Disrespectful indeed.

[@PattiClarkWunder]

Such a powerful podcast/video! Thank you for doing this. It couldn’t have been easy on anyone’s part. I think with most cases of bullying/trolling, it happens because of jealousy and lack of self worth. Feeling badly about ones self is such a difficult thing to overcome. Turning that self negativity toward others might seem like it makes the bully/troll feel better about themselves, but ultimately it’s going to produce more self loathing. I’m glad the two of you had the courage and insight to put this together. I’m glad the “former troll” has gotten help, and sees how damaging her actions were to the two of you AND herself. Gosh, this was just SO powerful. Much love to all.

[@hazysnapshot]

Jonathan did a great job of not letting her off the hook and pressing her just enough. Reminded me of a great investigative reporter.

[@laniersammons6596]

This just proves what I tell my daughters. If someone is being mean and bullying, it’s usually because that person is unhappy with themselves or their life. They do it to make themselves feel better.

[@TheaAMcCarty]

"Sometimes you need to do something while you're breastfeeding" This mama has spent almost 3 years breastfeeding 3 different babies and I can honestly say I WOULD NEVER sit on a forum or do anything like this, because my mother taught me to treat people the way you would want to be treated. There so many people who are bullied online and can't mentally deal with it so they commit suicide because they have no clue what to do or how to escape it. BULLIES are the worst kind of people and have no clue how their actions and words cut their victims so deeply. Way to be brave Anna and Johnathon, you two are amazing.

[@erinmccallum4271]

I found this so manipulative and strange, didn’t sit right with me how she kept giggling and avoiding answers. She also kept making excuses for what she had done as if there is any good excuse for actively trying to ruin someone who has done no harm to yourselves life. The way she kept calling him Jon was strange also, almost as if she was trying to be his friend and the constant relations to their lives as well like having an eating disorder, ADHD, going to film school etc was all a bit too coincidental for me

[@ElenaSyd]

Her giggling etc is just a coping mechanism. This would have been intimidating for her, to face the people who she impacted so negatively. The giggling and avoiding answers, I think is also her trying to process and really go deep into dealing with her actions.

[@erinmccallum4271]

@@ElenaSyd fair enough I understand this would be an intimidating situation but it wasn’t a surprise to her what they were saying she knew what she was doing at the the time whether she admits it or not

[@aliceedwards_]

Jonathan is amazing in this, he just cannot be dealing with her bullshit, this video just shows how compassionate Anna is and she wants to see the best in everyone, but I have been watching this 100% looking the same as Jonathan! Can't understand how anyone can choose to ruin a family's life - saying she got out before the crap started on the kids as if that makes it all okay?! Also, anyone else hate how she keeps calling Jonathan 'Jon' like she's his pal?!

[@SophieKavanaghStyle]

Just wanted to leave a note to say Anna really held herself so well here. Only like 15mins in but it's nice seeing Anna leading the conversation and seeming very confident. I would probably be more like Jonathan in I dont know if I would be able to be that nice to someone who hurt me that much but just wanted to applaud Anna for a second

[@hr0215]

This was so interesting! The way you had such an open conversation is amazing to me I don’t know if I could talk to someone who was so horrible to me, and still be positive! Then giving her life advise. It’s so inspiring, I hope more trolls come forward even just for their own mental health. Thank you guys for being so honest and true to yourselves. Truly amazing Xx

[@almondbabie4957]

I think it’s a bit strange how she’s boasting about not “hiding behind an image” when posting on hate forums, and then goes on to say she won’t delete previous posts? If she is reformed why would she not take it down? When was it that she stopped being a troll and became a fan?

[@lavenderlemonslavender2087]

I totally agree, she gives me crazy stalker vibes. I doubt she has stopped Trolling. She has way too many issues.

[@ceciliatorres2099]

Like she said-for accountability. To delete things and pretend they didn’t happen is to tell yet another lie about your character. She clearly has done a lot of therapy and self-reflection and is able to have a non defensive conversation with the people she hurt ABOUT the hurt she’s caused. That’s called growth. They don’t have to believe or trust her, that’s completely their choice.

[@lorrainestrubin9641]

@@lavenderlemonslavender2087 I totally agree she gave me very bad vibes , I think I shivered at one point ... .

[@lavenderlemonslavender2087]

@@lorrainestrubin9641 That’s what happened to me as well. I had to stop it half way and take a break from watching her. Then went back a few hours later.

[@emilyk8305]

Yeah. I do think she was somewhat remorseful. Her reaction to finding out about the AdSense situation seemed genuine but there is a lot of suspicious narcisstic behaviour coming from her. A lot of coincidences and her dodging the questions... Jonathon asked her several times phrased differently about what was the worst thing she did, when did she decide it was too much, where/when did she stop being a troll and start being a fan...? She never answered those questions. She is characterised here as being brave for exposing herself but she never really exposed herself... She too ashamed to actually say anything that she did off her own back. Talking in generalities.. no specifications... Loved the video tho by Anna and Jonathon. Certainly so interesting!

[@SnakeandTheCrown]

This 'former' troll girl diverts from the subject too much. She's asked a question and she diverts to her life, her kids, COVID.. get a grip, sweetie. You're here to talk about you, not everything else. Good for Jonathan for coming in very directly.

[@evie8252]

I think you need to step into her shoes for a minute, she had ADHD which can be very hard to live with, my boyfriend has it i see it first hand. She doesnt purposely mean to go completely of topic and then it can be hard for her to get back to the main topic, Jonathan will understand that and thats why he kept trying to just remind her of what the main subject was, to help her get her words out that shes trying to get out x

[@evie8252]

@@aylazelanagrebiel3210 im not excusing her at all! I just believe dont judge someone because a condition affects how they communicate, thats what a lot of the comments ive seen sre doing just bashing her for not being able to stay on topic when people can find that hard to do x

[@AlissaMai]

@@evie8252 I agree 100% if you actually listen between the 'rambling' she does answer the question

[@evie8252]

@@AlissaMai yes people just dont have the patients to listen to her because of her rambling and that quite frankly is so wrong it isnt her fault at all! This planet needs to be more accepting of eachother

[@Ms89Monkeylover]

@@aylazelanagrebiel3210 'she strikes me more as a narcissist than someone with ADHD' that sentence right there is exactly what starts this internet trolling and bullying. People assuming they know something about someone simply by what they see on a screen, when in reality they know absolutely nothing about the person. As someone with Austism and ADD, and the partner of someone with Asperger's and ADHD, you should know better than most, how wrong it is of people to play Dr. Google MD. I'm sure you would not appreciate me saying to or about you 'nah she doesn't strike me as autistic, seems more like she's bipolar'. Seeing as your partner has ADHD, you should also know that Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and ADHD, have many symptoms that overlap, making it very easy for someone with ADHD to appear narcissistic, and vice versa. You don't know this woman, are not her doctor, have seen absolutely nothing of her life except for the one single hour that has been shown on this video. NO ONE is excusing her actions. Everyone agrees that what she did was vile and wrong. She's admitted and apologized for it. I'm just curious what else exactly do you expect her to do? Anna and Jonathan have made peace with her and are moving on, and they're her victims. So who are we to say that she isn't genuine or that she should still be lynched for her actions, or deserves all the awful things people are saying about her?

[@cer1c1]

Not to be a troll or anything : but she comes across as fake, craving acceptance. She’s trying too hard. I don’t buy it.

[@HanneTherese]

Agree. She still loves this attention, and loves talking about herself.

[@nextupnow]

I do not think you are trying to be a troll and this is really a response to far more comments than just yours, but I have to say this somewhere: I cannot fathom why the comments section on a video about the harm and destructiveness of hate on the internet is so full of hate. Think of all the times that Anna and Jonathan have had to acknowledge, apologize for, or explain something on the internet and people have said things like “[they come] across as fake, craving acceptance. [They’re] trying too hard. I don’t buy it.” We can choose to see the worst in her, pick her apart, and accuse her of dishonesty, like sooo many have done to A&J over the years. Or we can try to be open to the idea that she may have genuinely changed, and try to listen to her with an open mind. All I know is that it must have been extreme painful to open up about all of that, both her behavior on the internet and the things that were going on in her own life at the time. She is (regardless of what you might think her intentions are) owning up to her behavior, apologizing, and encouraging others who may be doing the same to stop and self reflect. I personally think that is genuine, but even if you don’t, how is that not a good thing? If she is genuine, I applaud her for taking this painful, I’m sure, step. If she by some chance isn’t genuine, let’s not stoop to her level and spread more hate. At the end of the day we can’t know her heart or intentions, just like she didn’t know A&J’s when she was a hater, but I would rather incorrectly spread love even too someone seeking attention than incorrectly spread hate to someone owning up to their behavior and trying to seek redemption ❤️

[@scrumps101]

I don’t think you are trolling here. I do see what you have noticed but what I truly believe what we are seeing is someone who has some pretty intense mental health issues. I’m not a professional but I feel like it’s fairly obvious. I’m not saying this as ‘dig’ against her as I feel like mental health issues are no joke. I hope she’s a path of recovery.

[@Kikolovesyou]

lol the irony

[@lavenderlemonslavender2087]

A prime example of a narcissist. She behaviour actually scares me.

[@lauratrulock6101]

I think this is genuinely one of the best videos you’ve ever done! It’s so insightful and I feel can help so many people, it really brings so much truth to what people say about trolls struggling themselves!

[@charlottegrange6935]

This woman needs to practise what she preaches, her behaviour isn’t excusable, she comes across so innocent but is so manipulative!

[@Caho93]

I'm sorry, but if someone does stuff like her and trolls other people, that's not a genuine or good person to me. If you behave like that, there is something completely wrong with your upbringing and character.

[@essiejames1627]

I agree. Can you really change that much?!

[@user-oi4bf9cr6e]

I believe people can learn from their past/mistakes and change. I’m sure everyone has something they did in their past that they today regret. For example, I used to get drunk when I was 20 but now at 30 I don’t drink at all and haven’t drank alcohol in years and I truely regret ever drinking.

[@AlissaMai]

I don't think anyone's always good though ? People will do almost anything to fit in and feel valued if they don't receive that through other means in their life . To me it's like calling a person who steals bread for their family a horrible person as thy have Stole something . Horrible acts don't make people horrible. You can see the regret , although I have never trolled online, that thought process of ' if I said this people would like me ' has gone through my head many times in my life. I think if you look at it this way it's much easier to see and especially explains how trolls act differently in real life

[@noraj5983]

yeah but people change, she made mistakes and she learned from them, she IS a better person NOW

[@CatherineHamel]

That was their whole point. Her behaviour was a symptom of another malignancy. Not excusable, but definitely forgivable.

[@rosekay1083]

Anna, kudos to you, honestly. You’re such a kind and forgiving person. And I love that you understood where she was coming from, even though that’s no excuse to be a bully. I personally would talk it out and never wanna speak to her or remember her. That’s what I’ve done with my personal bullies I had in grade school. I forgave them and I forgot them. Also, the anger and hurt on Jonathan’s face made me really upset because I know exactly how he feels. Especially going back and remembering the torment he had to endure. Love this channel. Please continue doing these. Lots of love, virtual hugs and kisses from California ❤️

[@elizabethpollard1195]

I’m sorry her story isn’t sitting right with me...

[@charlottec7998]

she should be a politician, she's so good at avoiding the question. this is painful to watch she's really embarrassing herself

[@lucycoakley9593]

Ik why does she keep bringing up her life and isn’t talking about what she actually did but is focusing on the stuff she wasn’t involved in as if it fixes it

[@charlotted6125]

She's Australian and as someone that's lived there before, they're mostly all like this. Very manipulative, not caring and emotionally abusive, basically anything for attention. Thank god I left. This woman is not remorseful and would do it again and again.

[@robjames623]

Charlotte C exactly what I was thinking great minds think alike.

[@noobjuice4754]

@@charlotted6125 I’m Australian and I can assure you I’m nothing like this woman.

[@caitlindayman2469]

@@noobjuice4754 you are going to stereotype 25 million people based on a internet troll that happens to be Australian?

[@purple2284]

My blood pressure is rising with every giggle. I understand it's probably nervous laughter but what she did was inexcusable and I don't think she's holding herself accountable because she was avoiding the key questions Jonathan asked. I really respect Anna and Jonathan. They have gone through so much. People were jealous or unhappy with themselves and thought it would be great to destroy a healthy family. Wow! I see why I prefer animals over people.

[@AlissaMai]

Which question / questions did she avoid ? I felt like she answered them ?

[@Hannah28995]

I agree with the laugher bit, must have been hard for Anna and Jonathan to listen to

[@Bruins4Mia]

That was amazing! After being a long time subscriber for years, I feel today’s conversation was the first time I really got to see the REAL you. (Both of you.) I especially admire your forgiveness, encouragement, and bravery in establishing a dialogue with a former troll, and for inviting her on the show. I think it’s very important to show the full circle of Trolls and help illustrate that many times they are just lashing out as a result of challenges in their OWN lives, not yours. Well done!! This should be shared in schools and def at VidCon-like breakout sessions.

[@chrysthechannel]

i love this podcast! i started watching your channel when i was in high school and still here 7 years later! i love that we get a more grownup, serious side of you both! i feel like i've grown up with you :)) cant wait for more episodes to come xx

[@suemonk8745]

This was hard to watch. Anna you are better than I, I wouldn’t give her the time of day tbh.

[@Gohappygirl]

Don’t feel bad that she’s crying. She made a mistake that really hurt someone. It’s normal to feel bad about it and regret it

[@meghanh2511]

I don't feel like she actually is genuine about regretting it.

[@Gohappygirl]

@@meghanh2511 kind of sketchy seeming. I have a hard time seeing the bad in people but I just got really bad vibes from her

[@oliviaequitation2317]

@@Gohappygirl Yeah I instantly got bad vibes as soon as she started talking 🥴

[@whatlauraloves]

This is so horrific to listen to. I’m so sorry that you had to go through all of that and are still going through it. I found out I was being trolled last year, albeit on a much smaller scale than you guys and honestly it’s got me to points where I’ve not wanted to be here anymore. I hope one day all of these people are held accountable for their actions and the things they say online xxx

[@laurawhitehouse7946]

This is incredible. Such a valuable message from two very different points of view 🙌🏼 ‘Hating someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die’ and that’s why the act of forgiving someone is sometimes just for you, not for the sake of the other person.

[@ittebahpla]

This is such an interesting episode! I can’t think of anyone else who’s done this sort of thing - not confronting, but having a mature and in depth conversation about the ins and outs of trolling. Obviously trolling is incredibly wrong, but it’s so important to remember that we’re all humans with complex emotions and backgrounds - there are no Disney villains or heroes in real life.

[@lorid1395]

Exactly! 💗

[@manarclarke]

she inserted herself into your life, you didn't force her to watch your content! broke my heart when Anna asked what was a specific thing she hated or did wrong that made them a target. very proud of you two for doing this but you'll never get comfort from interacting with someone like her.

[@nikol4151]

I really enjoyed this! It's really important for all of those trolls to see the side effects and the damage they do which for them means fun. But it's amazing how people can transform and become aware of the things they have done.

[@hannahryan8729]

Listened to this on Spotify today and came here to see your facial reactions to the things said. You guys are so respectful after everything you’s went. So strong.

[@Gohappygirl]

Seems like she’s really trying to be friends with Anna. Laughing is so normal, lots of people joke about their shame and their pain. I’m glad Jonathan is holding her accountable but telling her what kind of damage she has done

[@shellyisms]

What an incredibly interesting video. Jonathan, thank you for speaking up about the issues trolling has caused to you emotionally, monetarily, and in terms of process (stunting growth and such). You all were so brave to have this conversation. Thanks again! Anna, I’d react the exact same way. Forgiving, wanting to move on. Aren’t there famous stories about unlikely friendships. Like in the movie Catch Me If You Can (based on true events) the criminal, Frank Abagnale, and the FBI agent, Joseph Shea, who spent years chasing Abagnale ended up being lifelong friends.

[@SnapesGem1]

Thank you so much for putting this up. It gives us all an idea of what happens on both sides of the screen. Anna is wonderful and so empathetic. Clearly it was really hard for Jonathan through out this, so thank you so much for keeping so calm and measured through what must have been a really difficult situation

[@heyitsrobstaaa5242]

I still can’t believe the amount of trolling that goes on, props to the both of you for sharing this, the both of you are so strong and have a beautiful family, keep doing what you’re doing guys 💜

[@abbycolliins]

She just keeps deflecting the questions!! Jonathan keeps asking her genuine questions and she just makes it about herself to make us feel sorry for her. All she talks about is stuff that happened on these forums but she distances herself from it, when she was such a major part. It all feels like a massive guilt trip. She turned the whole thing into her life when it should’ve been 25% her life and 75% her taking accountability to the trolling and the hurt she caused.

[@ekathleen7290]

Agree. I couldn’t care less about her life story. She answered for way too long about every questions and dithered on so much she forgot the question. Painful

[@DiorDiamond14]

All the suffering she put Anna and Jonathan through, look what happened to her. Karma is real

[@allanz16]

I found the conversation so mature and insightful on both sides. I think you were so brave Lily and I see the immense growth within you. Not many people would be so willing to own up to everything. Wish you all the best.

[@kassiedomino]

This was such a great episode. I was glued to my phone! Thank you for having such interesting topics and guests! I’m loving the pods💚

[@meganrduckett]

She’s so brave to have come on, but geeeeeez, this was uncomfyyyyyy to watch. 🥴

[@tijay8507]

She isn't brave she is arrogant and she is self obsessed!

[@aylazelanagrebiel3210]

Jonathan good for you for keeping her accountable for her behavior. It was never okay or acceptable what she did to you guys.

[@melaniedickey27]

I absolutely love you guys! And I have to take my hat off to you both for interviewing a past troll. I could not do that, ever!!! How could someone be mean like that for absolutely zero reason.... Jonathan well done 👍 on educating this woman on how her behaviour affected your business, which supports an entire family. That is absolutely tragic that she did that! I hope that she learns from her mistake and will never do that ever again. Anna - you are a SAINT for being so compassionate with this woman. I consider myself a fair person but holy cow this was next level. Love you guys, please, please keep doing what your doing! You’re amazing people and your raising amazing little sweethearts! Shame on all trolls!

[@SexyBabe36227]

So proud of these two, especially Johnathan! Must of been so hard! But the courage to stand up to the internet troll. This is why there are so many people out there who would love to start KZbin but they are scared of the hate that they may or may not receive! Anna and Jonathan have come so far. Immensely proud. Please if you have any horrible comments to say, keep it to yourself because you have no idea what people might be going through behind closed doors and how the smallest of words can effect a persons wellbeing! Big hugs!! Life’s too short! In this together! Xxx

[@aimeeperkins4120]

I can’t like her I’m really sorry. I don’t understand why people troll! And ruin people’s lives!

[@Cici07xxx]

She’s evil and she’s trying to backtrack

[@lauren523]

Please don’t apologise. You’re entitled to feel this way and I agree with you. Nothing can excuse her behaviour, it has a detrimental effect on others lives.

[@Eva12218]

It's the fact that these trolls act as if their own lives are perfect, which i'm going to hazard a guess and say their lives are far from perfect, yet they expect vloggers to be crystal clean and not slip up once.

[@Cici07xxx]

@@telle7527 it’s not ok... she made their life HELL how would you like it if what she did damaged your life

[@rosiexxx8419]

I’m only 20 minutes in but have so much anger inside. The way you both approached this is incredible. Let’s remember that don’t now go and target her and bully her... because then no one has learnt anything.

[@xoz--]

i always love hearing/seeing jonathans humility towards his journey of life and how openly he shares his past shortcomings and allows himself to be vulnerable about it all which is so rare to see in a grown, married man. anyone would be so blessed to have his love. and anna too, she is a pure light that makes me glad that she has been able to gain stability and success because she really deserves it after staying so kind and strong through all of her struggles. you're actually the only UK youtube family that i never miss a video of because i've learned so much about being hardworking individuals and all the family values that you show that inspire me to incorporate them into my own, even though i am twenty years younger. i've been subscribed since eduardo was a baby and you've always created a safe, loving engagement with the people watching. it is horrifying that anyone would take it any differently to cause destruction to your lives but i hope that you always are showered with so much love that the hateful noises are forever drowned out. so much love to you and your kids. x

[@livmurphy2566]

love jonathan’s attitude in this, good for you for not taking any of her crap! she may have changed her outlook now but that doesn’t take away from the fact she tried to ruin a lovely families life for years

[@kristamezik3464]

I cannot understand whatsoever. I have been unhappy in my life and never would I think to be this cruel to people to make myself feel better. This does show how kind Anna is because she actually feels bad for someone who hurt them. This has to have been hard to tape because it was hard to watch.

[@gillianhayes1144]

I know right I suffer with mental health I live on my own don't have family in my life but would never turn on people -- I hate too that people talk about people's mental health when they do something for instance as big as murder etc like we aren't all the same please don't stereotype us !!

[@nataliekoop]

That’s what I thought 🤔 how could you be unacceptable mean just because you are unhappy with yourself 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@gillianhayes1144]

@@nataliekoop but I suppose that's what happens when bullies become bullies in school they are being bullied themselves some where else -- not that that is acceptable but definitely should grow out of it when you leave school

[@Sendie64]

It’s probably projection? Like she hates them so much but in reality it’s herself she hates. I’d be surprised if any troll is genuinely happy with their life. It does not excuse that behaviour though.

[@gillianhayes1144]

@@Ms89Monkeylover never said that

[@b3cka4evr]

Listening to her story proves karma is real. Negative mind = Negative life. I truly hope her life has turned a corner and she is in a better place. Well done Anna and Jonathan - This was incredibly eye opening and brave.

[@pheebaliba141]

So much respect for this family, they’re so strong to be able to do this after everything she put them through. Must of been a bit frustrating to not receive valid/actual answers to their questions. At first I thought it was brave for her to agree to do this video, but now I feel as though it was a chance to excuse herself and explain her life story. I love how Anna and Johnathan approached her differently! Lots of love to the fam x

[@leahmulliner6422]

It’s crazy how me as an under 16 watching you two in your old house back in Ireland, bringing Up Emilia. And I was so blinded to all that was happening in the background! I just got joy out of watching your life, what Anna ate, what Emilia was having for tea, Jonathan messing around and the activities you did. And you were both actually really badly struggling and people were on forums writing all these things online. Sorry you went through this ❤️

[@amyhughes6186]

I think this video is amazing and it’s a great way to get your message across about trolling and also bullying online! It’s a horrible things to go through but also talk about and I don’t normally comment on KZbin channels but this is something everyone needs to watch and Jonathan and Anna I think this was very brave and it’s nice to see you showing people that you are human like all of us and what has effected you because it does matter! Sending my love! X

[@boryivanova2692]

I'm amazed by the honesty and open-heartness of this episode. Internet trolls can be brutal but its never too late to change your behavior and apologize. I'm proud of her and proud of you too for not holding grudges against her. Haters are just unhappy people and im glad she's in a better place in life today ❤

[@AVThreadZpromo]

I genuinely loved this video. You two are amazing people for encouraging her to turn this negative into a positive. I have so much respect for you two. Inspiring

[@annagomes8339]

You guys are so gracious and kind. It just goes to show ppl who waste their time trolling are really just ppl who are hurting. To me it’s a red flag that screams I’m hurting and want to inflict as much pain on others as I’m feeling. It’s really about them and not the ones they are targeting.

[@lauren523]

I think she is brave to discuss her behaviour, but I can’t comprehend it. She is making a joke of serious comments and back tracking to make herself sound like the victim. Crying and changing topics/avoiding questions is manipulative. Saying sorry then trying to justify it isn’t an apology. ADHD is not an excuse, it doesn’t make it ok to make those comments. Bravo to both of you, you handled this very well.

[@gabbystoyanova7711]

I agree with this very strongly! Very well said.

[@allienoa_]

thats literally how people with adhd act in uncomfortable situations tho

[@lauren523]

@@allienoa_ I know people with ADHD and I’m fully aware of how their behaviour effects them. However, it doesn’t make her behaviour acceptable and using ADHD as an excuse for making someone else’s life hell is not ok.

[@louise7542]

Yes I love this comment ! U aren't hating on her (because some of the people on here are and In my opinion that makes them just as bad) u are simply just getting out your frustration. Beautifully worded 👏

[@AlissaMai]

@@lauren523 I think Jonathan was referring to the 'joke' he got a lot of hate for whereas she was just saying she understands that now and wouldn't hate on it as she does things like that in her everyday life. Correct me if I'm wrong but at no point did u hear her talk about her ADHD in relation to her trolling ?