Meinl Byzance 18" Dual Crash Review - Drum Beats Online

[@adamrook2760]

I have the 16", 18" and 20" crash ride and here's how I describe them. It's like Meinl EQ'd out all of the nasty harshness and clangy characteristics you get from a lot of cymbals. (Talkin to you, Zildjian) It cuts but doesn't slice. It's not terribly washy but just washy enough. It get it's point across just enough for you to take notice then ducks out of the way so it doesn't overpower the rest of the mix. They are truly amazing cymbals. Do your ears a favor and go play some. You'll thank me later. Also they're great if you play without headphones or ear muffs. They don't hit you with a ton of ear fatigue after a while.

[@headwu]

Please make more of this content. We would love to hear you test more cymbals!

[@amedematteo]

Meinl, give this guy an endorsement! He has a bunch of videos, he's cool, visible, has chops and shares know-how too!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Ame De Matteo Haha thanks so much for the kind words! That would be a dream!

[@dr.threatening8622]

​@@DrumBeatsOnlineHa! How does this comment look now in hindsight?! FYI He is endorsed and is the full time drummer for I Prevail.

[@xNecropolisx100]

I liked the Mike Johnston cymbal choke at 2:29 lol awesome review, you confirmed that I do indeed need the Duel crash & the Transition ride on my kit.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

Haha thanks Alex! Yeah, they are both awesome cymbals that I think go really well together!

[@davidmultimedia2024]

Man I love your review. Especially the idea of the words popping out at every hit ( DARK - DRY - SMOOTH.. etc...)... THAT was really cool and effective haha. I also own this cymbal and use it as my main crash... I absolutely love it. For me, it's the PERFECT crash sound. Perfect balance between a brilliant crash and a dark trashy dry crash (with some china characteristics). I also have the 16'' version, that I use as a stack hihat bottom combined with a 16'' Byzance Vintage Trash Crash on top. But what's even cooler, is that I can also use it as my main hihat top combined with my 16'' extra dry hihat bottom. It makes it a very unique hihat, considering the dual hat doesn't exist in 16''. SO many options with 4x 16'' cymbals!!!

[@GGDrummer]

Beautiful sound

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+GigiTB Drummer I agree!

[@timdrums1]

This video, along with endorsee Siros Vaziri's posts about the Dual, is the most comprehensive an useful video on a cymbal I've come across - and like others below - has helped seal the deal for me! Greetings from the UK, btw!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Tim Heymerdinger I'm so glad it was able to help you out! It's a beautiful cymbal!

[@davidstein9129]

Awesome demo, explanation, audio quality & cymbal sound.

[@emmanuelhird9931]

I've been wanting to get this cymbal for a while now, but this definitely sealed the deal.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Emmanuel Hird It's the best!

[@JosephQaqish]

I’m picking one of these up on Tuesday!! So dang hyped

[@HarkMeinrich]

Damn i always thought this would be an awesome crash but now i really want to buy it! Great review!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Hark Meinrich Thanks dude! Yeah it's amazing.

[@drummer1416]

I also got one since about a year and I love it!!!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+drummer14 It's too good!

[@offspring14071]

I also love Meinl, I love the sand series, those cymbals are just perfect and great looking, nice vid, Gabe!! God bless you

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Pablo Dexter PraDeus Arango Ríos Yeah the sand series cymbals are great!

[@harryhines1334]

So I have ordered one of these through my local music shop, nice to see a review on it. Ill also be using it with a 21 inch transition ride.

[@ledgy69]

Just ordered one. Got it for 400AU new and posted. BLOODY EXCITED

[@jerrygamez5723]

Thanks dude. Cymbal sounds beautiful

[@TheZooNinjaS]

Pays for dinner :')

[@Michael-ir5cw]

another great video! i learned so much from this channel! keep up the nice work!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Mikos I'm so glad you liked it!

[@ShaneSchlickontheDrums]

I'm definitely buying this cymbal, thanks for the review. And man those toms.....

[@aidanmcroberts6206]

I love watching your videos! I love learning drum beats just by watching a video!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+aidan mcroberts I'm so glad you are learning from these videos!

[@francescotoni26]

GREAT !! That's how a review should always be, thanks !

[@7Jasen]

Awesome review. I'm definitely gonna get this, this video gave me the assurance to get it. Thanks man.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Jasen Nagen Awesome in so glad to hear that! Definitely one of my favorites for sure!

[@zakbound7190]

I was looking for a new cymbal to purchase and this one is perfect! it just bought it:) thanks so much Gabe! such a useful review! :)

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Zak Bound Niceee. You'll love it!

[@MarkRabone1986]

Those toms sounds Great!

[@lodougherty]

I bought a 20" Dual Crash Ride. I freaking love it.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

Niceee!

[@PaintBikeSkateSkim]

Nice video man! Meinl is great! I have a 18" medium thin byzance crash and I really love this too. Since this has a dark, dry sound, I was thinking about getting the 18" but I just don't know if it would be a dumb idea to have 2 18" crashes. I was thinking about the 16" dual crash but idk. Do you think it would be odd to have 2 18" crashes even though this crash has a totally different sound? Thanks

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Alec Drums I think you should do whatever sounds best to you! I don't think it's super out of the ordinary to have two 18" crashes, especially when they will sound very different from each other.

[@echohawk9579]

perfect looks like I'll be trading my Paiste Masters Dark and Dry set for the whole Byzance dual line.

[@michaelmain8230]

Owned over 100 crashes and this is the best ever!

[@codysasser2414]

I can't get over how versatile this cymbal is! You get a distinct sticato sound with the stick definition, but you still get that trashy full-bodied sustain underneath.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Cody Sasser You're telling me Cody! You hit the nail on the head. I love this crash.

[@codysasser2414]

+Drum Beats Online picking this cymbal up from Fedex today along with the rest of the duals! So stoked man!

[@CamronRobb]

Great review! This cymbal sounds perfect for your signature sound! Buy personally, it's to dark and dry. I would love this as a ride tho haha

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Camron Robb Thanks dude! I love it! Yeah it's not for everybody though.

[@drumman190]

Really nice review. You should do more reviews. Also I love my Zildjian K Hybird Hihats 14 in and a half.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+DrumMan190 Thanks man, I'm so glad you liked it!

[@ledgy69]

I have the 13' 1/4 how good are they!

[@Osagie98]

once again a gr8 review, ty very much

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+ohyea144 So glad you enjoyed it!

[@jacobfriedman4135]

hey babe, can you break down the cool fats drum fill thats in the intro on all of your videos?

[@niccolomadrid5512]

2:31 The woven web?

[@kristenreimer1637]

You sold me. I'm getting one! What ride do you have?

[@Musicmansladiesband]

Yea, the review sold me on it :) I got to get on now. Thanks for this. -T

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Music Man's Ladies Band You are very welcome!

[@haydenmacmath3457]

Hey Gabe! Great review. I had a quick question. So I am looking to get a new left side crash and wondered if you could help. I currently have Istanbul cymbals, so they are a little darker, and my current left side crash is a 16 inch. I want a bigger crash 18-22 and to have quite a big sustain. I was actually looking at using a ride, maybe a 20 inch k custom dark ride, as my left side crash. If not a ride I want something I could ride a little bit on if need be, but also have a great crash sound without getting to out of control. So I was just wondering if you had any personal opinions and could help me out! Thanks so much again Gabe!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Hayden MacMath Hey Hayden! Some rides can totally work as crashes, but my experience with the K rides is that they are super thick and heavy, so personally I feel like the volume would just get too loud and washy. I'm pretty sure Zildjian has 20" K dark crashes. Those could be a great option for you! Otherwise, I love my 20" Meinl Byzance medium crash (my right hand crash.) I'm sure anything you pick will be great!

[@rickjames1099]

What snare are you using?...sounds killer

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

It's a ludwig Supraphonic!

[@hernanleal4598]

Beautiful...

[@eilampniel2962]

Great review! i wish i had that crash myself :(

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Eilam Drums Thanks dude! It's a nice one!

[@lexestrada9556]

Is this cymbal good for church?

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

It's treated me great in the church setting!

[@djoc417]

reminds me of the sabian ozone crash

[@sammyclarkdrums]

I use to own a o zone and now own this cymbal I can totally see that, didn’t even think about it being a familiar sound. Good catch!

[@eduardozky]

Thanks

[@j-dubdrummer7550]

Would two of this cymbal be good for a 18in hi-hats?

[@tylerbailey9329]

How durable is this cymbal? I break at least two crash cymbals per year, so this is a big factor for me.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

I broke 1 in about 3 years time. So for me, I'd say it's durable! But it all depends on how you play it I guess.

[@ryanmoran2109]

Would this fit as a right hand crash? My left hand is an 18” Zildjian a custom

[@robintarket6844]

I love it, but maybe as an additional part of the review you can take a look at the pricepoint and durability? That way, other drummers like myself can determine whether it's worth getting apart from playability and see how it can fit into a budget.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

Good thoughts!

[@almerkev]

how do you clean or polish this dual crash?

[@sebas112001]

Now this is how you review cymbals!!

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

Glad you liked it my friend!

[@ConnorMcCollTGN]

imagine though how well these would work at an unmic'ed acoustic gig with full band - how many times you been watching a rock or metal band and the drummers crashes are just CSHHH CSHHH CSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH over the entire band

[@heavy4caliber]

Those that thumbed this down need new ears lol WOW this thing sounds AMAZING

[@ryanwilson6796]

07:27 Physical Education?

[@KyleThompsonHBBC]

what heads do you use on your toms?

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Kyle Thompson Guitar Remo emperors/ Evans G2

[@tiagodon]

Would you say it is a fragile cymbal? Easy to break?

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

It's very thin, but sometimes that can offer even more flex which allows it to be more durable. I haven't had any issues with it cracking on me!

[@tiagodon]

+Drum Beats Online Thanx. I have a 18' extra dry crash. I used to pair it with a 18' thin jazz crash. Perfect combination! From jazz, blues to heavy metal. But my jazz cymbal cracked on me, unfortunately. I'm looking for a replacement. I used a 18' vintage trash crash, but it lacks brightness. Do you think the dual crash would fit in well?

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

Absolutely!

[@shittybill3900]

Since it's so thin how long would it last for a pretty heavy hitter such as myself

[@ronnie.c3222]

Thicker cymbals break easier than thin cymbals because they can't flex and vibrate as easily as a thin cymbal. A thin cymbal has more flex so it can vibrate and move well. I think this cymbal will be just fine for you and last quite a while.

[@shittybill3900]

Cameron Hamson have never thought of it that way but it makes sense. Thanks!

[@AquaAnim]

+Cody Crumpton How heavy a hitter? You can only hit a cymbal so hard before you start choking it, and or it wont get any louder.

[@shittybill3900]

AquaAnim just generally pretty hard. Not the hulk or anything. I'm a metal drummer so you can imagine how hard i would hit

[@AquaAnim]

+Cody Crumpton gotcha, i mean as long as your swiping at the cymbal when crashing and not going through, should last forever. Morgan Agren hits really hard and most of his cymbals have lasted 20+ years and hes still using them.

[@davidstein9129]

How do you folks rate stick definition? Ex, What does a cymbal with great stick definition sound like to you?

[@GorcStew]

was a bit disappointed to see a *dual* crash that you can't actually really ride on (sounds f***ing amazing though). You know of any extra dry crashes that you can light ride on with a decent bell though? The sand crash is good but it's not dry enough :(

[@zacharyrhodes5157]

what kit do you have?

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

It's an Ayotte drum set

[@egorlololMV]

whats the into song? :D

[@Michael-ir5cw]

he drummed it by hisself

[@marcellomiranda585]

legal o prato

[@caevlogsgaming5091]

I always think he says ''hey guys it's Gay from drum beats online''

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+rellee ente Nope. Gabe.

[@Strellock]

I dunno man, the dual sounds way too fluffy and sour for a main. I've been misliking them ever since Anika Nilles played duals on her Drumeo videos, and as left mains too, and I hated hearing them every time, but thankfully, on most her other videos she's using a normal extra dry on the left. And the extra dry sounds good. I get the novelty excitment but I think that for a main left (and rights too) one needs more serious/traditional kinds of sounds. I mean even Charlie Watts' left, which is a small chinese, sounds wholesome, fluffy and thorny but still well within that color spectrum of serious crashes. So you see, even excentrics pick their mains within the generously wide traditional palette. The dual, I think, can only make for a good weird kind of cool when rarely used flashy effect. I would hide it far to the right, well obscured by a serious cymbal, hit it only ever so often, maybe only together with a louder main. It doesn't work at all on it's own, it's like frosting ornament when you expect a hearty meal, which is what a main needs to be, whatever the range. The dual as a main is a frustrating sound, not only does it not fill but it also leaves you with a chemical acid aftertaste. Sure, it's not brutally cringey but that in itself adds to the insult. It's like it's not deeming you worthy of full agravation, and it's toying with you, see how much you can endure it's half insults. Not good. The hats sound good though, remind me of them old light ks.

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Strelock Wow, you really feel strongly about this cymbal. It's fine to say that it's not for you, but for others it could work really well! Like myself. But everyone has their different preferences and there are no rules to any of this. Which is what makes picking your cymbals out so much fun.

[@Strellock]

Alright, defend your precious! :)

[@joelflores4530]

+Drum Beats Online what do you think of the 20" version? is there much difference?

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

Honestly I haven't played to 20" so I can't totally speak into that. But from the videos I've heard, it sounds pretty dang good!

[@imacashew.]

I have the 20" and it's a bit louder but still decays very fast. And you can ride it because it is a crash ride. It's super smooth and feels nice when you play it. I use it as my main crash along side the 21" transition ride. Most gigs I just bring those two cymbals 👍🏻🤘🏻along with hats of course. Hahah

[@tjmedeiros270]

jacked

[@siberian13]

I really like the trashy sound of these but am concerned about durability. I’m used to playing medium thin crashes. I play classic hard rock and beat my cymbals like they owe me money.

[@zoohuman]

For me personally I don't understand these silly drum channels.🤨🇺🇸

[@Marciphan]

Copyright of sabian omni

[@matheusbelitardo3020]

Two cymbals tottaly diferent...

[@e_m_krings_5225]

The difference is that the Meinl has a good sound

[@Fabelnegros]

😂 what a debut...

[@akusozzak6501]

Illegal sound!

[@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401]

It seriously sounds like an expensive wuhan to me. Way too trashy.

[@jamiebrine6480]

First dislike😄

[@DrumBeatsOnline]

+Jammie Brine But why?

[@jamiebrine6480]

+Drum Beats Online because I've never been first for anything. I loved the video! 😋