Mel: "Paintings show us how MUHAMMAD EVOLVED"!

[@dmendez4741]

There were three men in the bahira picture with the camels annointing a young mohammed, reminded me of the 3 magi coming to see Jesus.

[@foreignstarz]

Muhammad means “The praised one” and there’s a theory that it refers to Jesus before being transferred to the newly created Islamic narrative.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

There are only three gifts mentioned in Matthew. The actual number of wise men is unspecified.

[@justaminute3111]

Your comment is more apt than you realise, the number of wise men was never stated. All that story is mythologized.

[@h.m.6228]

20:25 correction: Jay, "Chansons de geste" doesn't mean "songs of mockery". It means "songs of deeds". "Geste" comes from Latin "gesta", meaning "deeds". There are many literary or historiographic works called "gesta" (see "Gesta Danorum" = "The deeds of the Danes", "Gesta Francorum" = "The deeds of the Franks", "Gesta Hungarorum" = "The deeds of the Hungarians" and so on). See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesta, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanson_de_geste

[@Speakers154]

Thanks for correcting that!

[@pfanderfilms]

You are correct, my bad...

[@h.m.6228]

Wow! I'm speechless. That's the love for truth in action. 🤗 Offtopic: Joe's channel, Red Judaism, is once again terminated. It seems this time it takes longer for YT to unban it. Could you, please, help him?

[@Speakers154]

@@h.m.6228 I'm sorry to hear that. I wish I could help but I have no means to help him, as I'm not on twitter which appears to be the only way to contact YT these days.

[@kaloarepo288]

Jay was probably thinking of the "Carmina Burana" and that genre which indeed were medieval poems and songs of mockery often made by wandering monks against the authorities both religious and secular.The songsthat were originating from the German monastery of Ottobeuren (hence the Latinized "burana" were famously collected and orchestrated mid twentieth century by the German composer Carl Orff and the "Oh Fortuna" song is extremely well known -even used for coffee commercials!

[@SEKreiver]

Mel and Jay: together again! The catastrophic deconstruction of the Religion of Submission continues!

[@Billy-Mandalay]

Demons will admit that God is great. But they will never accept that God is good, and that God is love. Yet here, God is showing His compassion and mercy, shining His light on topics like these, to bring muslims back to His saving grace thru Jesus Christ.

[@yakovmatityahu]

@@Billy-Mandalay i recently came to know that Muhammed was actually Jesus Christ 180° reverse ...Now ask me what i mean.

[@appleilusethan4801]

@@yakovmatityahu ok what you mean 😢

[@yakovmatityahu]

@@appleilusethan4801 My friend....The Muhammed of the Islam is none other than the Ebonite Jesus refashioned into Arabic one...

[@yakovmatityahu]

@@appleilusethan4801 writing the name of Jesus or Yeshua when we write in Aramaic the language of Jesus is the same exactly as writing Muhammed in Arabic...if you dont believe me then check for yourself...Muhammed of Islam is none other than Ebonite Aramaic Jesus made into an Arabic Muhammed.

[@OdonLafontaine]

About the "Muhammad" statue in the Dome of the Rock: what did "muhammad" mean at the time of Abd al Malik ? Not the "prophet of Islam". I think it was a title for Abd al Malik. He was the "muhammad", and his ummayad successors were kind of "successors of the muhammad". So those statues, thoses images might very well have depicted Abd al Malik. And along the centuries, when the Standard Islamic Narrative invented the "prophet of islam", the depiction drifted from the first caliph to prophet Muhammad

[@_John_P]

There were earthquakes in 808, 846 and 1015, the latter destroyed the dome of the Dome of the Rock, which came crashing down, the statue was found in 1099. If there was a statue there in 1015, it was most likely crushed. When al-Ma'mun (813-833) restored the Dome of the Rock, he erased the name of Abd Malik and replaced by his own. If it was Abd Malik statue that was crushed, I doubt it would have been restored, but if it was Muhammad's, then there's a greater probability of it being replaced by a bigger and more sumptuous one.

[@justaminute3111]

John P: good points, but if it started out as the statute of a ruler titled Mohammed, the following generations might not have realised that any more and replaced it thinking it was the Prophet.

[@RJ-fg8kw]

The Sogdians wore that same exact Smurf hat when they were riding on their Silk Road camels.

[@Billy-Mandalay]

Drawings depicting Muhammad were obviously halal, and allowed. Yet when French cartoonists do it today, it is haram. Is that evidence that islam is that much weaker today ? Obviously, it has nothing to do with the 𝘢𝘤𝘵 of depiction itself, but the 𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘰𝘯 of the artists on Muhammad that were depicting him. Yet Muslims make it sound like 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 problem with drawings on Muhammad is that islam is supposedly strictly monotheistic and forbids the making of imagery of the prophets. Can you compete with such holiness and purity, infidels ?... Well, we are seeing truckloads of islamic imagery on Muhammad painted by muslims themselves filling up 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 particular hole in their standard narrative, right up to postcards in the twentieth century. The 𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘶𝘢𝘭 language 𝘪𝘴 a language. Yet muslims thrmselves use the 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘣𝘢𝘭 language to give detailed descriptions of their prophet, and 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵'𝘴 allowed ? Is that not conjuring up imagery, and mistaking that for reality as well ?

[@glennewell2436]

Have you also noticed in the peaching images that two of the 'congregation' are unveiled and un-scarved women!

[@Speakers154]

Well spotted, Glen!

[@sheikhandbake8804]

Could it be that the artist gave a hat tip in acknowledgment that the Ploffhet was given special privileges with regards to mounting anything that moved? Depicting women who displayed their goods for the benefit of Muhammad was a sign of respect for his special status? I jest but throwing in a dig reinforces the absurdity of SIN for the champions of Mohammedanism.

[@_John_P]

(24:00) The angel is pouring Zamzam water to purify Muhammad. The story about removing his organs and washing them is in Muhammad's ascension, which is a copy of Moses ascension from the Legends of the Jews.

[@catholicorthodoxfaith2689]

@sneakers corner The Story of Gabriel giving Book from Heaven to Mhd is copied from the story of Elchasai from Parthia (Northern Iran). Hadith writers got this sry from their neighbourhood. Hippolytus of Rome (Refutation of All Heresies, IX, 8-13) records that in the time of Pope Callixtus I (217-222 AD), a Jewish Christian called Alcibiades of Apamea came to Rome, bringing a book which he said had been received in Parthia by a just man named Elchasai.[1] According to Alcibiades, the book had been revealed by an angel ninety-six miles high, sixteen miles broad and twenty-four across the shoulders, whose footprints were fourteen miles long and four miles wide by two miles deep. Hopes you can dig into it Mel.

[@dtrez3866]

I really am appreciating the work Jay Smith has been doing on this topic. Jay has become the go-to guy on this.

[@aig1111]

Muslims watching this should open their eyes n question what they hv been deceived into

[@aig1111]

@Premium Protection 😀

[@idris_haris_al-kalima]

@Premium Protection I am a Muslim, and I have a statue of Muhammad (praise be to Him) seated at the left of Isa al-Masih (praise be to Him), and Musa (praise be to Him) seated at the right of Isa al-Masih (praise be to Him); as They are the 3 emanations of Allah.

[@yuvanwinanda2210]

The picture showing young Muhammad being anointed, three "wise men" witnessing the event, and several camels bowing down, that is a plagiarized depiction of the Nativity scene.

[@foreignstarz]

Well Muhammad means “The Praised One”. There’s some evidence that actually it referred to Jesus before being transferred to the newly created “prophet” of Islam which is a later fabrication of the 9th - 10th century.

[@idris_haris_al-kalima]

@@foreignstarz I am a Muslim, and I have a statue of Muhammad (praise be to Him) seated at the left of Isa al-Masih (praise be to Him), and Musa (praise be to Him) seated at the right of Isa al-Masih (praise be to Him); as They are the 3 emanations of Allah.

[@foreignstarz]

@@idris_haris_al-kalima Sounds like Gnosticism but then again Gnosticism has major issues in its traditions and sadly boils down to perennialism which leads to relativism.

[@justaminute3111]

Haris al-Kalima If you claim that these are all manifestations of Allah, you sound like an idolater to me! Now, please explain how your trinity differs fundamentally from the Christian Trinity? Please bear in mind that the Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. (Absolutely no mainstream Christian has ever believed that the Trinity was the Father, the Son and Mary.).

[@idris_haris_al-kalima]

@@justaminute3111Ahad Ahad. Allah, His Word and His Spirit are ahad, not thalathatun(three). The Word and Spirit of Allah (ie. Theós Patéras/God the Originator) in Eastern forms of Christianity are eternal yet subordinate emanations of Allah, servants created from the very substance of Allah. The thing about Mariam and Ruhullah being conflated: Roman Catholics are to blame for this mess but not because they literally worship Mariam, but rather it is because of their Mariology, take the Woman of Revelation 12 for example, Catholics claim it is about Mariam, but really it is Wisdom (see Luke 7:34-35) which of one of the seven manifestations of the Holy Spirit. Isa al-Masih is embodiment of the Word of Allah, therefore He would be extension have the characteristics of the Spirit of Allah. Roman Catholics unintentionally given so of the roles of Ruhullah to Mariam. And because Western Christians are mostly dyophysites, and the only Western Church with any influence on the Eastern Churches were the Catholics. The Quran has a Monophysite Christology where Isa al-Masih is only divine. Because dyophysites believe Isa al-Masih has both a divine nature and a human nature, and they worship that human nature which they claim comes from Mariam as well as they conflation of the roles of Ruhullah and of Mariam. The Quran is mocking Catholic theology by pointing out its ultimate conclusion, the believe Isa al-Masih has both a created human nature and an uncreated divine nature as well as they claims about Mariam, is the same dividing the one God into three Gods, two of whom are humans. The Quran calls Isa al-Masih and Mariam are humans as a mocking response to Catholic Christology and Mariology. Not because Isa al-Masih are literally a man. Sadly, the followers of the Standard Islamic Narrative don't read the Bible nor Jewish and Christian commentaries, and thus they don't understand the Quran; and the Hadith and Tafsir only made matters worse. About Idols: In the Bible and the Quran Idols are inanimate objects which one worships through sacrificing to said objects. Statues can also used as icons which one uses to praise Allah by venerating saints as way to remember how He used and continues to use the saints to spread hope and mercy as well as rain down judgement all for He loves His creations, but He also judge.

[@jamalkhan3708]

Thank you for sharing

[@RJ-fg8kw]

The cloth is very reminiscent of the highly prized tekhelet blue-violet dye produced by the "hillazon" and used in the Mediterranean. The Imperial purple was probably made with another snail. Different snails produced different colors. The tekhelet blue-violet color is prominent in Jewish religious garments.

[@ASHORSHEMAYA]

Great video, thank you, Mel, you're amazing Mel you mentioned at 50:10-20 a very important situation but you said it quickly without realizing the importance of what you are saying, as you were talking about the "idea" of the muhammed= light that all this world has been created by him. what made him In parallel with Christ, rather, he is the one who created Christ in general, BUT it's not just an idea after now, at least i know 3 muslims scholar where they call for these new teachings, which leads us to the birth of a new Islamic sect, We are now watching the process of the development of Islamic thought, which will later become “history.” Those who come after us will try to search for the roots of this idea just as you do now. The only difference is that today we have more documentation tools, including KZbin and social networking sites..etc. One of them said it frankly. We are like Christians, but we do not believe that Muhammad is God, but the first thing God created and it came directly from Him. These people are now moving shyly and calling themselves the knowers "the Illuminati." (They are all Shiites).. Among their most important theories: * Mediation: allah, according to their belief, deals with beings through intermediaries and never deals directly with matters. “sound familiar, doesn't it?” for this reason, allah needed an intermediary to create the world with it. “So he take out a light from himself, and these outruting were the beginning of creation. That is why they call Muhammad (the first source).” Hence, they claim that this is the reason behind the naming of Christ to Muhammad by the name Ahmad, according to the quran, where Ahmad = Muhammad (before the incarnation). * Al-Fayd " overflow": This theory is based on the fact that this light was first embodied in the sperm of the prophets and the elect good people, and the sperm transmitted it generation after generation until the day of his birth. (The natural opposite of Christianity, where humanity inherited Adam’s sin, so that the Islamic thought came here to say that what was transmitted was the light, in this parallel, everything that Christianity presents as good is presented by Islam as evil, and everything that Christianity presents as evil, Islam presents as good, it's that simple).

[@Speakers154]

That last point to add to it: it means it is clearly Anti-Christian with an anti-Christ and an anti-Gospel.

[@ASHORSHEMAYA]

@@Speakers154 My friend, Islam is the same since its inception until now. The principle does not change, but the form changes. This is the reason behind the phrase (Islam is valid for every time and place) in case you've heard this phrase, but it is very famous in the Arab world. Islam accepts everything provided that it is in accordance with its conditions and serves its interests. for example, Zarathustra flew on a donkey 🤘😂. Well Muhammad also “will do it” and here come the stories of the Isra and Mi’raj..etc. In short, Islam is the political-religious method of world domination.. This is the reason for all the chaos that we are witnessing and even experienced by Islamic clerics, where contradictory hadiths, stories and narratives are intended to represent a unified curriculum, not a single curriculum. Then schools branch out from it, as is the case with other religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism...etc

[@theoldone3835]

Check out Lloyd De Jongh's videos on islam and gnosticism. He does a good job.

[@bentajay2026]

Thankyou itell you things are just tearing down for the SIN

[@kaneinkansas]

The octagonal shape of the Dome of the Rock duplicates the Byzantine church of San Vitale in Ravenna. Charlemagne also built a church in his capital, today’s Aachen, in the octagon shape copying it from San Vitale in Ravenna.

[@OdonLafontaine]

It firstly duplicated the Chuch of the Katisma, in Bethleem

[@suburbanbanshee]

Octagonal and round churches were considered suitable if pilgrims were to progress around an important relic or holy site. The Byzantine Church of the Ascension, on the Mount of Olives, was also supposed to have been octagonal, IIRC. More importantly, the Byzantine church commemorating Mary's childhood stay in the Temple was supposedly octagonal and built on the Temple Mount (as seen in the background of many icons). So basically not a common shape except in baptistries, or certain special pilgrimage churches.

[@St.Irenaeus]

Amazing stuff! Great work fellas. God bless

[@kaneinkansas]

The Ilkhan Empire was a Mongolian Empire - Kind of like the Golden Horde in Russia, there was two more - Jakartai Empire and the Empire of the Great Khan, which was Mongolia proper and China.

[@moredore5876]

Jakartai? Do you mean chagatai?

[@kaneinkansas]

@@moredore5876 Yeah, memory didn't serve completely there, only partially. That era is not my strongest knowledge wise.

[@ic.xc.]

Watch Kings & Generals channel, they are excellent at telling these stories of mongols

[@repairerofthebreach777]

The sin seems to have started in the 14th century or 15th by the Othoman empire when the sacked Constantinople in 1453 and expanded till the 19th and 20th century. The Turks.. I'm Greek and according to us The Turks or Ottoman empire that invaded Greece are from Mongolia

[@MrMirville]

Even the first Uthmanis had a very different narrative : it privileged Sufis as the true depositories of the real Islamic faith, as Sufis would be considered ideal subjects (artisans, productive people, valuation of hand-work, and also a very portable and recognizable way of life for both ex-Christian converts and ex-Hindu converts) for their empire. The SIN owes a great part of what it is to Anglo-Saxon influence from the 18th century onwards, in India and in Arabia first. It must also be considered that up to the 13th century the veneration for Jesus and for Mohammed were of equal importance : Mohammed was the last but Jesus the highest to whom the last judgement of souls belonged.

[@ReadRomans10]

@@MrMirville I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, **If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:** And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Revelation chapter 22: 16-21

[@sirunikunushik7735]

I've been in Turkey couple of times and we engaged in to this conversation with Turks. They don't like to hear Mongols and Mongolia. They say our ancestors were Khans and Sultans. I had to reminded them constantly that Changiz Khan (Temujin) was a Mongol and Sultans were Arab Muslim dictators from Arabian peninsula. They think the sky cracked an opening and they were thrown down on to the earth as a Khan and Sultan🤣

[@ReadRomans10]

@@sirunikunushik7735 lol

[@repairerofthebreach777]

Collection Sunan an-Nasa'i Dar-us-Salam reference Volume 4, Book 25, Hadith 3179 In-book reference Book 25, Hadith 93 Reference Hadith 3177 It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Turks, a people with faces like hammered shields who wear clothes made of hair and shoes made of hair."-----> sounds like Asian to me

[@bhushanpawar817]

Thank you brothers in Christ.

[@drdavidfoo6632]

The early pictures looks Asian could be due to the fact that the Islamic story began up in the north in Persia and central Asia

[@Speakers154]

yes, very likely.

[@arwandajunior1122]

Another amazing analysis

[@divyachacko3449]

Good job Mel

[@glennewell2436]

Two of the companions (in picture 1) also have halo's which suggests these are 'saints' or, perhaps, early caliphs. It would be interesting to have this page translated as this would presumably solve the problem of identifications of the other figures in the picture.

[@_John_P]

(07:35) The drawing is a representation of Muhammad naming Ali ibn Abi Talib his successor during the event at Ghadir Khumm and is dated 1307, Ilkhanid period, Tabriz or Maragha, Persia. The folio comes from the Edinburgh codex (Kitab al-Athar al-Baqiyah an al-Qurun al-Khaliya; "The Remaining Signs of Past Centuries" or "Book of the Legacies of Earlier Centuries" or "Chronology of Ancient Nations" by Abu Rayhan al-Biruni's (973-1048)). Ali is depicted with the purple colour, which in Islam is associated with spirituality, Muhammad dresses black, the colour of "modesty" in Islam. The other figures belong to the Rashidun or the first four rightly-guided caliphs (Umar, Uthman, Ali and Abu Bakr, but unclear who's who). It is a Shia drawing, so the other caliphs were defaced as an act against the Sunni. There are two copies of this drawing: c.1560 Ottoman manuscript and Safavid copy, c.1647. The Ottoman copy survived and shows the faces of the caliphs. I've got a high resolution image here, someone might be able to translate -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3O0aoWIi72cbJY

[@glennewell2436]

@@_John_P Thanks for that. I am always amazed at just how much knowledge and understanding of this subject is out there!

[@_John_P]

@@glennewell2436 I now believe we can identify all people in the drawing. I just noticed that Abu Bakr is cursed in the depiction by having one foot and one hand removed, also shown beardless to depict him as not a true follower of Islam in contrast to Ali, who was said to be the best follower of Islam. Removal of hand and foot is a direct quoting of the Quran, a statement that Abu Bakr was an usurper. He also lacks the emblem on the shoulder to remove him from the group of the righteously guided caliphs. The caliph on the right is Uthman, as he is said to have pledged allegiance to Ali in defiance to Abu Bakr, that leaves Umar on the left, so from left to right it should be Umar, Abu Bakr (amputee), Muhammad, Ali and Uthman.

[@glennewell2436]

@@_John_P Well, I guess a picture truly is worth a thousand words. That really is a piece of first class research.

[@testleoleo9999]

​@@_John_P Well said! And the split tip sword in Ali's hand is Zulfiqar.

[@thinkforyourself9100]

Professor Jay Smith and Professor Mel Thank you all. Thanks the #pfanders. I wish I can show you that the interpretations both of you are giving is a blessing to me. Gonna spread your informations. Thanks.

[@tropicalstrings]

I knew this from 1001 nights.👍👍💥👍💥👍 Paintings where there. I read even: women naked up from the waist but, with a veil. Great work. Fantastic.

[@RJ-fg8kw]

The light of MHMD and the discussion of gnosticism reminds me of the earlier discussion regarding ALiM and the veils of individuals denoted by this code with its origin from the Alawites. Very good explanation.

[@chrisbalchin1481]

Hi guys Am watching by mobile phone so pictures small, but, have noticed both of the first images appear to show that the men are sporting MOUSTACHES! ?????? GOD DEEPLY BLESS YOU!!!!!!!

[@RJ-fg8kw]

The Topkapi Palace Library image is intriguing. An almost complete octogonal shape of a walled fortress with water going though the walls may give clues. Obviously, its redacted since minarets weren't around during MHMD's time. The stylized clouds are ominous as is the aura of MHMD versus the other paintings. It could be a wider region which represents a much larger map.

[@maze208]

Gbu both.

[@iamtroll8334]

The picture probably had an asian influence because of the Khan's

[@OdonLafontaine]

"Chansons de geste" are not "songs of mockery", but songs about chivalry, valiant knights and their extraordinary endeavours. Like the Song of Roland

[@Speakers154]

Thanks for correcting that misunderstanding. I knew it was about chivalry but I thought it carried that other meaning too.

[@paultarsus5844]

The crusaders were a bunch of greedy white supremacists.

[@OdonLafontaine]

@@paultarsus5844 Please, explain why King Louis IX (Saint Louis) took with him 1500 ex-muslims from the Levant, mostly families who converted to christiniaty during the 1248-1254 crusade and settled them in France. Was the crusader king Saint Louis a "white supremacist" or a supporter of the "Great Replacement"?

[@paultarsus5844]

@@OdonLafontaine That never happened. Most historians don't take this story serious. We know what the crusaders from France and Belgium did with eastern Christians.

[@OdonLafontaine]

@@paultarsus5844 You never happened. Most historians don't take you seriously

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

32:40 Even their illustrators of old “copy-pasted” other artist’s work! 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@sirunikunushik7735]

Everything in Islam is copy-paste, borrowed and stolen, even their art works!

[@cslewis1404]

😂

[@deltadom33]

It would be interesting using corridor digital to turns these faces into real faces I am also interested whether would they would have pig bones in the archaeology record from the Umayyad period. I know that there was things such as pottery fragments has anyone done any study 📚 on the inscriptions found on them. And was the five pillars of Islam an Abbasid invention ?

[@slamrn9689]

"...bottom torsos..." LOL

[@patriciomoya6663]

"Chanson de geste". As spanish speaker "gesta" means memorables heroics events, not "mockery". The most famous "canción de gesta" in the spanish culture speaks about Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, a spaniard warlord living in Valencia in 1100.

[@infofuralle2201]

The book" by the point of my spear" from a former Iman from Yemen and Oman Zaki Amin is using this pictures in his book. Very interesting

[@iankinver1170]

Like everything else, they copied the Christian reformation. It seems to follow it quite closely. However, if you take away ritual, imagery, and mysticism, and go back to The Word, If that word turns out to be false, you have a huge problem.

[@silverltc2729]

23:54 is that not Jesus as a young boy with the three kings?

[@showmewatyougotbillion2781]

If young Mohamed was recognized by the Christian monk in the picture?? How old was Mohd when he became a prophet?? I thought Mohd became a prophet when he was 52-54???

[@aericabison23]

He was around 12 years old when Bahira first met him. Muhammad had gone on a business trip when he was an apprentice merchant to Syria and he met Bahira there. Looks like they copied the incident when Jesus was with the teachers in the temple in Jerusalem at 12 years old.

[@justaminute3111]

I got interested in the topic of Islam a few years back listening to a local radio station that runs during Ramadan. My initial reaction was 'wow. They sure know a lot about the founder of their religion. " However, the more I listened, the more I realised how ridiculous the stories of Mohammed's life were. It was like being taught that George Washington cutting down his father's favourite cherry tree all over again. This was one of the stories that broke the camel's back. If he had been so honoured as a kid, why was he so confused and suicidal when Gabriel first spoke to him? This year, the radio talks were more about the other people, like Abu Bakir. Apparently, after he became Caliph, he used to sneak off every morning into the desert and do all the housework for some blind, old widow who was caring for a bunch of orphans. Then he would come back and run the Caliphate. I don't think they understood time management when they made that story. So, Muslims believe as much weird stuff as done Christians while claiming that they have this super rational religion.

[@simonhengle8316]

Excellent stuff

[@briankillen8067]

More great stuff Mel and Jay, several comments: I believe the little girl with the halo in the painting of Muhammad speaking to his companions whilst on the stage is his child wife Aisha. Also the Islamic republic of Iran depicted Muhammad on their 1980 stamp commemorating The 15th Century of Islamic Prophet's Hejira. They now claim the traveller is not Muhammad but they would do that now.

[@noelshabo9497]

Imitating muses covering his face

[@vasuvasudevan1827]

My hypothesis on the Asian features in these paintings is that the mongols had such an impact on the Muslim world that it became a presumption that people of power and influence would naturally have mongol features. Are there paintings from this area of similar type that predate chengiz khan? If so I would stand corrected.

[@dollahmusa6705]

Since listening to ur stories, why muslims wasting their time focusing on mohd and allah ..a fake story

[@mistymoor7114]

In Batley, Yorkshire England, clise to where I live a teacher wad persecuted and threatened for opening a discussion about the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. He lost his job and had to go into hiding, a group of local muslims having vigils and protests outside the school ( this is an area with a high Pakistani muslim population.)

[@kaneinkansas]

One other area of SIN that is completely overlooked - the part that Allah would protect the Koran - is that the Hoffs IS a gross variant of the Koran. How so? The Hoffs Koran is not organized chronologically but in terms of the size of the book. However, the Koran was revealed by Allah, through Gabrielle, in a chronological order - so the fact that the Hoffs Koran is not in chronological order means the Koran is not being preserved in the order that Allah had it recited to man. It is, thus, a variant.

[@Raptor3Falcon]

Whenever I need peace, I watch Pfander films or Dan Brubaker or other good men of Christ.

[@hepcat67]

The veil over his face is most probably emulating Moses, as described at Exodus 34:29-35.

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Maybe the dome of the rock was a mausoleum

[@snjezanacorel]

I think that they cover his face because his is protutipe of Moses.

[@SEKreiver]

I absolutely LOVE this channel. However, all of this nomenclature is driving me nuts. There is no 'ASIAN' phenotype. At least a quarter of Asia's population looks more like Vladimir Putin than they do Xi Jinping. Maybe more like a third or even HALF. The Middle East is IN ASIA. 'Asia', in the Greek, originally referred to what is now western Turkey. The Caucasus Mts. are IN ASIA. 'Asian' is in the word 'CaucASIAN'. Indo-Europeans (look it up) were a major population group all across Asia (including western China) up through 1000 AD. At one point, they very likely occupied MUCH more of Asia (by square mileage) than any other Asian phenotype/ethnic group. 'Asian' is a ridiculous adjective. 'Oriental', despite the bitching from some identity groups nowadays, is useful. It means, simply, 'Eastern'. This 'Asian' adjective seems to be describing a phenotype exemplified by EAST Asians (Mongolia, China, Korea etc.). We see the same thing in the use of 'African', when (until Western aid exploded the sub-Saharan population) Northern African ethnic groups were a major portion of Africa's population, if not the majority.

[@theoldone3835]

I agree. I am from Asia and I certainly don't look like East or Southeast Asians.

[@RoarT19]

Muhammad evolved from *VIA*

[@Timeone123.]

Jay on fire

[@divyachacko3449]

So Mel my question to u is since u mentioned that it cld be Umar Muhaviyya or Abd al Malik who took the title of Muhammed. In this pic who cld it be

[@aaabrams1889]

Do you know how stupid you are by saying that rAbd al Malik who took the title of Muhammed....ha ha ha

[@Speakers154]

This pic? I've shown dozens of pics. Reframe question, it made no sense to me.

[@divyachacko3449]

@@Speakers154 the pic where the ppl r standing and Muhammad is on a stage wth a halo on his head

[@aaabrams1889]

@mysotiras 02 Did what? Give me the reference.

[@ngatatan2597]

It looks like the thesis regarding Islam is that it did not evolve over 100-200 years after the "person" Muhammad, but it would have evolved over 700 years until Ibn Taymiyyah and Abdul Wahab his disciple from the Hanbali line to come to the Islam we know today... Taymiyyah was after all the "Martin Luther" of Islam, although Martin Luther went back to the letter of the Word as the validation of his reformation, Taymiyyah remodeled Islam with redactions to Muhammad to validate his theology.

[@arafathossain5523]

From One Muhammad (SWS) to 1.5 billion Muslims !

[@joshg8053]

35:29 Buddhist apsara with Buddhist "crown".

[@chrisbalchin1481]

Was the statue an image of the one named as Muhammad in the Dome, Jesus?

[@PatriceBoivin]

re. the postcard from Algeria, it was a French colony. I imagine any dissent would have been quashed. It was a different time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Algeria

[@hillyio5694]

So final question did muhammad exist or not

[@Speakers154]

The Muhammad of the SiN. An historical leader did exist, and was titled that. Hope that distinction makes sense to you.

[@salancy3279]

💐💐✝️🙏👍❤️

[@tarnos4153]

26:53 if the middle guy is Mahomet, he is the shortest guy. Throughout this time, the stone has shrieked to small tiny gravels.

[@anoushnewman1247]

Hi Mel and Jay : the image of Mohammed preaching at 11:16 mark states that the preaching is on Mount Ararat! Do you mean Mount Arafat ?

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

The SIN Mohammad could not have been in the dome of the rock, unless Mohammad was really from the Umayyad dynasty

[@shlomobenmichael7101]

Are there any publications of Lloyd DeYoung? I searched a bit, but can't find any. #Jay,you might be right that the picture showing the "city" given to Muhammad is referring to the story we know about Muslims claiming that Muhammad was given Mekka for free ( just killing some adversaries, but other than that no fight at all) Given the fact that in 629 there was no Mekka and that picture was even painted much later, brings up the question, if the painter did not know much of an Islamic city apart from Baghdad. Yes, sure there were some others, Jeruslaem for example, but do you understand what I mean? Artists are not all knowing and maybe the picture reveals the fact, that the artist did not know much apart from Baghdad? Just a thought.

[@michaeltrent2726]

Painted depictions of Modumbhead? Blasphemy!!!

[@jackryan7767]

24:33 It seems they try to imitate baby Jesus and the 3 Maggie.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

1 John 4:20b - for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? It's MUCH easier to love someone you haven't seen more than the ones you have seen. The one you haven't seen is idealized. I often say, "Do know me is to hate me." Chaucer is reported to have said, "Familiarity breeds contempt." It's much easier to love someone you haven't seen.

[@fantasia55]

Much of Bukhari was written by the Ottomans, some as late as the 17th century. This supports your theory that a ban on images of Muhammed did not arise until then.

[@dinosaur0073]

It is forbidden to draw the face of prophet & ghaliphas in Islam. Thank you for info. the big picture start to reveal

[@indianrational6887]

Thanks .your videos enabled me to study more and become a better Muslim.

[@Billy-Mandalay]

What is Muhammad's definition of a 'better muslim' ... himself ? 😄

[@roshlew6994]

Looks like someone's on the path to apostasy and become an ex-muslim

[@hdl135605]

Depends what you mean by a better Muslim. Does Quran 9:29 make you a better Muslim?

[@roshlew6994]

@@hdl135605 better Muslim means ex-muslim

[@foreignstarz]

Lol nice coping mechanism.

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

I don’t think the statue of Mohammad was being a slur on the Christians (Jay seems to have a 1 track mind on this matter) the Europeans usually depict the person buried in a mausoleum in repose but Egyptians depicted them throned as a lot of Egyptian statues can attest to, it’s more likely that this is referring to Mu'awiya (Mohammad) burial place under the dome of the rock

[@widescreennavel]

When you actually read the Quoron, it just seems like to be Mo must have been a lot of work, every page is him trying in every way possible to justify his connection to his deity. There isn't really anything of value in it, it is one of the most frightening and weird books I have ever encountered.

[@forthwithtx5852]

The one thing that keeps me from watching these videos is the length. I love them, but editing or breaking them up into digestible chunks would make them much easier to make time for.

[@Speakers154]

When the objective is to show an overview over the span of time, a 5-10 minute won't cut it. It needs to be watched ideally in one sitting, so you get the beginning, middle and ending. Other subjects may be more amenable to a short presentation.

[@aaabrams1889]

@@Speakers154 Your objective is to malign Islam...and it will take you a lifetime and when death knocks on your door and the veils are lifted, you will realize that all THIS was a waste of time AND that you will be held accountable for....AND ISLAM WILL GO ON AND ON....

[@Speakers154]

@@aaabrams1889 Actually, no. That's just wishful thinking. I'm just letting people know the truth. I'm held accountable by no Islamic deity. Islam is fake.

[@boriss.861]

Picture 1 what does the TEXT say?

[@nijoyjohn4366]

Asian is a very broad term, I think those faces should be identified as Chinese or Mongolese

[@MsP4ndu]

The bouraq is the horse with female head?

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Are there any high resolution images to be able to see more details in the pictures

[@manzmoez9099]

Persian miniatures look like Asian ...It even says Tabriz, Persia 1307.... on the painting.

[@justaminute3111]

Before we know it, you are going to start producing evidence that the prohibition of alcohol was also made much later!

[@abdellahkharicha8776]

🤣 You believe the crusaders when they claim to have found a statue in the center of the Jerusalem temple ???? 🤣

[@coepoe869]

Can u add english subtitle for me from indonesia.. at least i can translate your speak with dictionary. Tq

[@coepoe869]

Not caption but in video.. english sub. tq

[@thewordistheonlytruth8784]

Mongolian islam

[@aaabrams1889]

Know the history when the Mongols embraced Islam.

[@thewordistheonlytruth8784]

@@aaabrams1889 they inveted islam Bukkary muslim the ottemans all mongols

[@aaabrams1889]

@@thewordistheonlytruth8784 Educate yourself...ha ha ha...Bukhari was Persian

[@manzmoez9099]

Very good research but in my opinion you need a few experts in anciante history and Islam to talk about this

[@majupsd7361]

MEL, What is your basis for worshiping Jesus? Whereas in the New Testament book there is no verse that shows there is relationship between Jesus and Christianity.

[@abdellahkharicha8776]

Obviously the first picture was made in Central Asia in the XIII century!!! not in the Xth century ! The influence is chinese and not Byzantine ! NOT THE 10Th century !!!

[@mutamirmukhzani1240]

It's hilarious watching Jay narrating his story into the images. One thing that he failed to mention is that the ruler doesn't necessarily rule conforming to the scholars opinion at that time. Heck most of the time when the caliphate became dynasty scholars were actually against the government.

[@ngatatan2597]

If the paintings arise after the rise of the Ottoman Turks who are Asiatic, then it could be that images of Muhammad might look Asiatic...

[@truthsayer4460]

Paintings are paintings. Those never represent the real world. Only imaginations!

[@imcaramel-365]

Why are Muhammad face painting banned?

[@majeedm689]

Today - you draw a stick figure with a beard and turban and Muslims go bezerk.

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Wouldn’t Jesus be 37 when he was crucified, if he died in 33AD and his parents had to leave Bethlehem for Egypt because of king Herod (who died in 4BC) then our calendar is a bit out

[@maligjokica]

corecly noticed. In tne 5 sencuru the roman astronomer get slitly off the calendar. so there is the small discrepancy with the dates. Herod the great died 4 BC so its more probably that Our Lord Was incarnated before 4 BC. This corection is coraborated with the dates of the roman governors in Judea. but for the christiansd in thouse time it did not make any diference because the used the jewish calendar wich main referen point is from the creation of the world.

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

@@maligjokica I might have to correct myself, it’s mentioned by Josephus that Herod died shortly after a lunar eclipse, but the one in 4BC was only a partial one, and there was another in 1BC on December 29th, which would fit in with the narrative of the common era (CE) being correct

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Although other clues that you mentioned and those in the Roman world still point to 4BC and it was noted that “Herod died at Jericho in 4BC, unwept by those of his own house, and hated by all the people.” 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mistymoor7114]

I dont really see why in this video Gnosticism or Sufism is seen as a problem Surely both philosophies with a much more spiritual and milder approach than the Islam we generally confront today. Could the veiling of the face be a link to Islam becoming more centred in Arabia where veiling of the face was more commom...that is desert tribes always cover more because of wind and sand, its my belief this is where the habit of women being veiled and covered originates, from Arab tribes living in tents in the desert. !

[@Liphted]

First!!!!

[@stephenstolstoy2489]

Neither the Quran, nor the fake islamic history written 200 years after Mohammad tell about the real Mohammad. The historical accounts which tell about the real Mohammad are the writings of Sabeos, the 7th century Bishop. The writings of Sabeos are the only historical accounts which tell about the real Mohammad. Sabeos tells in detail regarding who actually Mohammad was. According to the writings of Sabeos, Mohammad actually created a religion which had both Jewish and Arab followers. But that was not Islam. Mohammad also never gave any book called Quran. But definitely Mohammad started some other religion. Mohammad believed in the same God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus

[@goose8813]

it is not at all remarkable that the images of Muhammad and his inner circle from Turkey, Persia etc. have predominately Asiatic faces........ the original Turks came from Central Asia (compare with the modern Kazakhs) and the ruling dynasty in Persia was Mongol... therefore it is self-evident that mongoloid facial features were the ideal (normative)

[@seanmacsweeney2985]

Jay is getting confused by believing the SIN still, the person who built the dome of the rock was also Mohammad, stop conflating the Mecca lie with real history

[@dinosaur0073]

علمته الرماية فلما أشتد ساعده رماني.....وااااا اسفااااه على يوسف....